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That's like saying I would certainly take Charlize Theron over Rosie O'donnell... A no brainer.
I'll probably go for a test drive next weekend, will report back afterward.
That's a nice analogy! lol!
I saw the first Genesis being driven on the road yesterday and I was awestruck by it's beauty!!!
I mean it looks much better when it's moving than when it's parked in the lot.
Very nice car to look at imo. And I was one of the biggest critics when I saw the actual production version of this vehicle. I take it all back! I'd actually have to consider this for my next vehicle.
Sorry no cookies, but they did have coffee.
Has anyone gotten either an iPhone or an iPod, for that matter, to work successfully with their Genesis?
Just a thought!
No, but it's a different paint process if that's where you are thinking.
By the way, the execution of the paint, while on subject, I've never seen such superb finish. at least not by my standard, or from Hyundai models and alike.
November or December? Lets hope that was just another "please buy something today" speech.
As far as the "limited" in the limited warranty is concerned, the comment earlier was a little off base. The dealership itself actually has almost no say as to whether something is covered by the factory warranty. HMA (or any other mfr) would be the one that would write the guidelines as to what is covered and what is not. All Hyundai models also come with a "warranty handbook" that is located within the owener's manual packet. If you have any questions as what what is or isn't covered, be sure to take a close look at this material. It actually lists all of the parts that are covered in both the powertrain warranty and the other coverages, including the B-B warranty. The "limited" notation is to limit the mfrs exposure to defects only. They do not want to be on the hook for replacing an engine when you didn't change the oil for 50,000 miles.
HMA does offer a 120mo/100,000 mile bumper-to-bumper coverage for all models, including Genesis. Prices will be set by each dealer, but if you are concerned about long term relaibility (which I think/hope is becoming less and less of an issue) then it may be a worthy investment if for no other reason than a good night's sleep.
There are lots of great cars one can lease for 525, but for now, I am quite happy with the Genesis. The NAV can be adjusted while driving, something I liked in my 2006 RL. I am inclined to rate the Acura and the Genesis NAV systems close, with the edge going to the Genesis due to a nicer interface and quicker response time.
My company car is a Camry Hybrid with a smooth/soft ride. The Genesis has a firmer ride, but it is quite acceptable. The steering feels quite good, and although I cannot compare directly to the Audi A6 I drive when in Germany due to substantial differences in the roads there as compared to South Florida, I bet the Genesis would do quite well on the Autobahn. By the way, the absolute best NAV system I have ever experienced is the Audi's in Germany, with very well integrated traffic alerts and automatic rerouting.
The tech package comes with XM NavTraffic, among other goodies - which includes a free year of service. I like the version I've used in the G35, and found it to be a very useful tool, especially when I am in a hurry during rush hours.
Was your lease thru Hyundai?
From the Hyundai web site:
"Don't Lease Without GAP Insurance - For just a few dollars a month, you protect yourself from a big loss in the event of forced termination such as a thief or accident where the vehicle is totaled. All leases through Hyundai Motor Finance Company come with GAP insurance automatically."
https://www.hmfcusa.com/Leasing.asp
Well, rather than spending a lot of time arguing with the "new" guy that had left the amount on this better than GAP document blank, and the only document out of about a dozen that was signed only by my wife, I just made him enter the amount ($399) in the blank space and now have the choice of requesting a 100% refund for the better than GAP coverage as it says in the fine print. I spent all day Yesterday at the dealer and was not going to spend more time there for now...
Just goes to show you, that unless you are experienced, and do your home work and have all the time in the world, you might avoid getting scammed leasing a vehicle. Now, I just found out that there's a $400 "disposition fee" at the end of the lease. These guys make a ton of money, but not many friends...
Congrats on your purchase, I have a 2005 Acura RL right now and I was concerned about the nav system, but now I'm excited to see your post. My only concern with the Genesis was the Nav and leaving the SH-AWD from the RL, as I have never owned a rear-wheel drive car. Any comments you can share on that one would be great, obviously in the Northeast I'll have to contend with snow, but my office is very close to the house. How else does it top the RL or fall short of some of the nice things the RL offers with it's technology?
Thanks!
I think the dealership you were dealing with sounds a little shady. My dealership while going over the deal, mentioned the gap insurance like this... "And of course GAP insurance is included in your lease".
Maybe someone knows of a major car/finance outfit these days that offers leases without gap insurance, but I don't know of one.
I have leased quite a few cars, and never had to buy gap insurance.
And I also don't take insurance when playing blackjack and the dealer offers it. :shades:
My dealership is checking into it for me, apparently they have heard of 2 genesis cars having had it installed, and the results where different for each one (kinda scary).
Guess the big problem is the push button start and proximity key.
Other car models have this problem too apparently (infiniti, bmw, whoever...)
I have been to Lehman in Miami, Rick Case in Ft. Lauderdale and Coconut Creek in Coconut Creek. Rick Case pulled a bait and switch on me. They gave me Hyundai's official lease price over the phone and a different (higher) price after the test ride. Lehman told me over the phone they would give me a "deal". When I got there the deal was list price.
Coconut Creek wanted to add a fee of about $600. When I protested they knocked $600 off list price but said the fee had to be there. They would not acknowledge that the official Hyundai lease existed. So I paid list price minus $600 plus the $600 fee (huh?).
So, to answer your question. The best deal I could find was list price.
Another dealer in Del Ray (I forget the name) told me over the phone they had to go and look to see if they had one with the tech package but never returned the call.
Rick Case is closest to me but after their bait and switch I will not take it there for service.
This time around, I considered the "new" RL side by side with the Genesis. Besides not being AWD (you might need snow tires. I am in Florida and have not driven in snow for years.), the Genesis beat the RL in most things that were important to me. The RL, even with the noise canceling system is way noisier than the Genesis. As a matter of fact, the Genesis is the quietest car I have driven. Now that I have played a bit more with the NAV, the voice recognition is amazingly accurate compared to the 2006 RL. The iPod cable gives the best level of integration for $29.95 (:Except Rick Case charges $35 for it, did not ask if there was a dealer prep fee on the cable;) I have seen. I have an iPhone 3G, and when you first plug the cable in, it says that this device is not compatible and wants you to turn airplane mode. I just ignore that message and start using the iPod part of my iPhone through the Tech Package interface. The Bluetooth interface takes care of the phone part of the iPhone.
One nice touch is that the steering wheel buttons give you an additional level of control when you keep them pressed for over a second. Such as you can go to the next song by pressing the > button, but if you keep it pressed, it will fast forward the song. This is great for Audio Books. As far as the XM Radio goes, the Genesis is one of the best out there (the best I've seen). The Tech Package Button, allows you to quickly tune into any channel, there are 16 presets that you can control from the steering wheel with the > button, and you can step through channels by keeping that button pressed about a second (0.8 as per the manual).
I did have a problem with my windows fogging up on a warm, humid Florida night and was a bit concerned. The reason this happened was that the battery had become discharged at the dealer. The manual says on page 7-28 that if this happens, a lot of the systems need to be reset, amongst them, the auto defogging logic system. I followed the procedure in the manual and it works great.
The rain sensing wipers work very good, as do the HID turning lamps. One thing I really like is that you have the option of allowing both side mirrors tilt down when in reverse. That, combined with the camera and the proximity warning system sound (you must activate it by pushing in a switch on the left side of the dashboard), makes it a breeze to squeeze into any tight spots.
Other than having to deal with the dealers, the Genesis is so far, the best car overall I've had.
I believe it's not only the dealer, but the manager on duty at the time you are there amongst a ton of other factors. One Rick Case manager at a store told me about the 499 on the Tech as I was leaving the dealership. The other Rick Case store in Davie says there is no such lease. At Doral Hyundai, I have a personal friend in the Internet department. His manager would not go below 619 on the lease. The next day, as I am signing the lease at Coconut Creek Hyundai, I get a call from that manager, telling me he is ready to do the deal (I had driven an hour the day before to get to his store) because he had talked to my friend and he did not realize I was serious about buying a car. I am serious about not buying a car from him!
Thanks!
This is my second lease ever, and the finance guy at Coconut Creek, managed to scam me, by charging 399 for GAP, which is included in HFMC leases. What happened is that the lease they make you sign has King (The owner of Coconut Creek) written on the papers, and the fine print on the back says that if you do not purchase GAP and it is not spelled out in item 11 on the front, you have no GAP coverage. Then, he made my wife sign an anti-theft protection paper, with the cost amount blank.
I went back, had him fill in the amount ($399) and I will now cancel that coverage, as it turns out, the lease is through HMFC. For that particular finance manager, I would call the place Coconut Crook, but let's give him the benefit of the doubt (Yeah, right... he lied to my face!) and forgive his mistake as being "new".
The rest of the staff were where professional though, and you should simply deal with caution, but by no means avoid them, you can get a deal there maybe. Just beware of the finance guy if he is "new"...
Does the Genesis display the entire artist & song name like the XM only receivers? Lexus limits to the first 16 characters of each.
"That, combined with the camera and the proximity warning system sound (you must activate it by pushing in a switch on the left side of the dashboard), makes it a breeze to squeeze into any tight spots."
Do you have to push this button every time you want to use the proximity warning system? Does it just beep, or show you here you are close on the display & which way to turn to avoid damage (like the Lexus)?
Thanks
The XM display is 16 characters, but at least in the Tech package, there's a "detail" screen that seems to go up to 32.
The parking assist has 3 levels of audible beeps depending on how close you are to an object. There's also a visual cue that shows front, back and the 4 corners of the car with 1,2 or 3 lines that match the audible beeps.
In my case, being in South Florida where the highest elevation is less than 20 feet above sea level and the top speed limit is around 75 MPH, I would have chosen the 3.8 anyway. But for only 2K more, you get a lot of extra features for a small compromise on MPGs.
So I just thought I would get my 2 cents in since I have see no discussions about the Audi A6.
Sure wish the Genesis V8 would get here
When driving the v6, I don't think you will ever encounter a moment when you wish you had more power. The v6 is quick, quick, quick.
My desire to have the v8 would be more physiological, in it always bugs me a little to not be driving the top end example of a particular model.
The other thing about the v8 is that the engine is suppose to be so advanced. So it would be cool to have it, just because it's such a jewel.
But hey, the v8 burns more fuel, cost 2k more, and isn't even here yet. Did I mention it's just barely faster? And almost all the magazines say they would take the v6 over the v8. The v6 even has a better weight ratio. Heck, even Hyundai thinks 80% of people will take the v6 instead of the v8.
The v8 is more about how big your gun is, not really about if you need it... still it would be nice
Yeah, like my sales guy said, in a few years, this car will probably drive itself. Who knows what cool things will come down the pike... How about a blown v8 with AWD and laser cruise control? Now we are talkin... look out merc s55
So to the test drive, we get in and the salesman says to take a right at the 1st street than a right at the next and than a right at the next. You got it we got the car up to a speed of maybe 30 mph to go around a small block. I pull back in and tell the saleman that's it? He responds that the manager/owner doesn't want a lot of miles on his oh so precious mass produced luxury car. He than asks me how I liked the car and I told him that I will pass.
Now this dealership is also surrounded by BMW, Lexus, Infiniti, Mercedes, Nissan all were together. And there was no one else even on their lot as 3pm this afternoon. This is going to be Hyundai's big issue with trying to markee a luxury car. Their service and dealership experience is at the bottom end for lower end cars which is what they are used to.
Hyundai are you "LISTENING" you cannot enter a luxury car market with dealers that have no or little concept of service or customer experience. You will never compete with Lexus, BMW, Mercedes or Audi for that matter. But I guess that is why their car is the price that it is. Still a great great product Hyundai and I still may pursue with a different dealer but right now I am so turned off that I may not.
Hyundai really should have opened new dealers like Nissan and Toyota did to brand their luxury brands Infiniti and Lexus. The Genesis is truly a really nice car its too bad their lower end dealership experiences are going to really hurt their sales and yes in a few months this car will be close to invoice price versus the 10k over MSRP that this idiot dealer had his at!
BTW adaptive cruise control in the Genesis will be radar controlled and not laser controlled.
The fuel economy of the V-8 as compared to the V-6 is negligible...we're talking a 1 mpg difference and considering you're talking V-6 vs. V-8... You can get a 1-2 mpg difference between different V-6's alone. However, with the $2K more you pay for the fully loaded 4.6...to me it's worth it over the $40K for the 3.8 w/Tech Package.
The car is solid, it feels well built. The cabin is as quiet as they come, had it on the highway and no road noise at all. The cabin is well done with a nice lux feel to it. Car handles very nice and IMHO the V6 engine is plenty of power, I never felt like I needed more power. This is a very nice car, seriously thinking about buying one maybe white or red with premium package.
Was the $44,995 price tag for a 3.8 with only the Premium Package? That seems very high. I visited several dealers in the Orlando, FL area and each one had loaded 3.8 Genesis models with all option packages (Premium, Premium Plus, and Technology package) for $40,000 as the final sticker price. I assume the "10k Dealer mark up" you saw is similiar to "adjusted market value" which dealers tend to add to vehicles in more affluent areas of the country, which Im sure Southern CA is no excpetion. I recall this tactic that dealers used when I lived in the Wash DC area. Of course the first thing I would do during negotiations was cross that line item right off the price, then start from there :-). I am actually considering waiting several months until the initial hype slows down and dealerships get more inventory. Hopefully the increased suply will lower demand and give consumers more leverage. Good luck.
I drive the V6 (Azera version) and I get a very good 30 mpg on the highway but a very poor 15 mpg in the city. In fact in stop and go traffic I will even get down to 12 to 13 mpg. My VW Passat V6 never dropped below about 18 mpg city. I was somewhat disappointed in the Azera's city mpg. The Genesis has the same engine as my Azera -- only finer tuned, so I would predict similar -- maybe sightly better -- results.
Don
Yes the $44,995 price was the "adjusted market value of $9,995" HILARIOUS. And yes it was for the 3.8 V6 with Premium pkg only that carries a $35,000 MSRP exactly.
I will post in the section our host suggested also for dealers. I would "STRONGLY" suggest anyone in Southern California not deal with Glendale Hyundai!!! As it turns out the Chevy Dealer where I take my Hummer for service now is also a Hyundai Dealer in Pasadena, much better service.
Anyone else concerned about driving RWD Genesis in the Northeast, or is the concern minute, unless I'm in snow?
I have driven a Jaguar S-Type V8 in snow for 3 years, and a Chysler 300C Hemi rear-wheel drive in snow for 2 years, both did just fine because of stability control. Without it, the S-Type would be useless. BTW, I live in Minnesota... so I have had plenty of experiences driving rear-wheel drive in snow.
If you go to the Hyundai Genesis website, and watch all the little animations, they specifically mention that they believe rear-wheel drive is better in snow than front wheel drive.
With a nearly perfect 52/48 front to back weight ratio, latest gen stability control, and quality all-season tires, the Genesis should be able to get through a snowy day no problem.
By the way, I looked up the tires for the v6, they were rated as 'Good' in the snow by customers at the tirerack.com website. The Genesis v6 comes with Dunlop SP Sport 5000 Sport Symmetrical tires (#15 on the list), here is a link to the comparison page:
http://www.tirerack.com/tires/surveyresults/surveydisplay.jsp?type=UHPAS
That's one reason why I won't lease. When I go into the market, it's at a time of my choosing. You'll almost certainly pay more for this car now than you will next winter.
Anyway, I wouldn't worry about driving the Genesis in this part of the country. I live on Long Island, just east of NYC, and I can recall only one day this past winter when traction was problematic. Even then, a RWD car equipped with good snow tires would have had no trouble getting around.
And as a BMW owner, I can tell you that RWD is the most satisfying drive train configuration on dry roads.