The Titan was geared too low to compete with American trucks. Americans have the need for speed.
Have you actually driven one! I won't say the Titan is the best truck on the market; acceleration times aren't what I'd buy a truck or SUV for, but referring that the titan is slow tells me you've never driven one.
It will smoke any 5.3 powered chevy or 5.4 powered Ford and it felt a lot stronger than the few 6.0 GM trucks/Suvs I've driven.
I have some boating friends that have an Armada and tow a heavier boat than mine, the Armada will dust my previous 5.3 Suburban and my current 5.4 Expedition. The 5.6 5speed combo is unbelievably strong for it's power ratings. Hills my 5.3 powered Suburban struggled to maintain 50mph with my 4500lb boat the Armada would pull 5,500lbs 65 mph w/o a problem. Granted the Nissan truck/suvs have their own issues, power is not one them.
Admittedly, it's a Ford site, but the evidence is pretty irrefutable, the camera doesn't lie. The Japanese just don't quite have the truck thing down yet.
The point is cash burn is ridiculous at the Det. 3 and there is no light at the end of the tunnel. Sure, Wall Street has it's share of failures but please don't tell me we have a bunch of geniuses running Ford, GM or Chrysler!
Since you brought up cash flow, how would you rate these auto giants now? Their model is choking them to death because even with the changes put in place, without those massive profits from SUV and truck sales, cash flow positive will be impossible without HUGE cuts now.
How do you think they will be able to pay back $25B? I'll wager in June they need more bailout cash.
If I had the final say on help to all 3 auto companies, it would be:
NO CASH FOR YOU! NEXT!
Oh, and I'd fire the C.E.O.s today! What gall Mulally had when asked about considering cuts to his compensation.
"No, I'm good!" Wagoner: "I am not prepared to comment."
Mulally may not have phrased things well but he and Ford genuinely don't need the bailout. They aren't the problem.
I will grant you that if the vehicle buying portion of the recession continues more than another year then Ford has big time trouble and they could still get sucked down by a GM bankruptcy. My point is that GM is the big problem and the one that actually needs the cash now.
2015 Mazda 6 Grand Touring, 2014 Mazda 3 Sport Hatchback, 1999 Mazda Miata 2004 Toyota Camry LE, 1999.
I went to a gun show a couple weeks ago. It was so packed, you could hardly move. I had never seen so many people at this particular gun show. Most of the time, you just see the typical hunters, sportsmen, and enthusiasts, but I saw a lot of Mr. Suburban Joe Average types there and a lot more women. There are a lot of scared angry people out there and it's only going to get a lot worse if 3 million unemployed workers are dumped into the unemployment lines and eventually the welfare rolls. What was once a stable employed person who supported his family via a well-paid manufacturing job may soon be the unstable criminal who will rob, steal, and perhaps kill out of desperation. With three million more potential violent criminals on the streets, I don't like the odds.
it's hard to refute what you say just above this post. And that is one of the reasons that a GM loan/bailout package is so important. It's just hard to fathom it because, unfortunately, the UAW is not going to want to give much in concessions to help Company out. Can't ya just see it coming, the fright and frustration of giving up some of the enormous bene's, main pension payout(this one would really sting Joe wrench-turner). Going to be a World of Hurt, to quote Patterson Hood in one of his Drive-By Trucker songs.
Go ahead and buy one of those Honda Hybrids, they are a joke and my co workers son had to roll one into his new car note. I was asking, just to be informed and he mentioned it turn off at every stop and that its was a pile of junk. I think the technology isn't there just yet. Then too, to be fair, the Hybrid Tahoe is noisy pile of junk too. Thats from owners. I might look into what Edmonds has on the Hybrids.
As you have never ever driven the last Silverado AWD SS. However, look at the below link and tell what you think.
I haven't because I don't know anyone who's wasted their money on a Silverado SS.
As for the link you posted, I was discussing the 5.3 and 6.0 that were saddled to the 4 speeds in the 1/2 ton Silverado's as the 6.2/6speed was not offered until 2009 . GM finally can beat Nissan and basically match Toyota in the power department but gets trounced in fuel economy. Similar performance to the Toyota, but worst fuel economy of the group. Those are the slowest 0-60 times I've ever seen for a Tundra. Most I've seen have been in the 6.2 range, I've seen Escalade 0-60 times around 6.2 also with the 6.2/6speed, so I'll chalk it up to testing conditions.
I'm not saying Nissan or Toyota build a better truck as I think the Ford and Chevy are tops, but in the powertrain dept. Ford is still way behind and GM has been, but they still need big cubes to get anything done and fuel economy sucks with the 6.2 or 6.0L. How does GM offer the tallest gearing and still get the worst fuel economy (Ok, exept for Nissan which has a taller axle ratio, but I believe the trans gears or shorter). I've seen several truck/suv tests where GM has higher rated EPA mileage but ends up with the worst observed mileage. Particularly with the 6.0L and 6.2.
Then too, to be fair, the Hybrid Tahoe is noisy pile of junk too. Thats from owners. I might look into what Edmonds has on the Hybrids.
Hmm, I've never heard that before. I finally saw my first Tahoe Hybrid that wasn't on a dealer lot the other day.
Where is all the noise coming from? Electrical Relays? Or the trans setup, or could it be low resistance tires?
The Hybrid Tahoe is interesting with the 20mpg achievable city rating, but the reduced tow rating (6,000lbs won't cut it for me) and huge price just isn't worth it IMO, unless of course gas goes well north of $5/gal.
Will Ford or Chevy just give me a diesel Suburban or Expedition! I'd bask in my diesel torque glory and never bad mouth a Ford or GM v8 again:)
Now tell us how you really feel? Since you were wrong about Obama being elected. Is there any chance that your wrong once again?
Lets not forget the buddy buddy relation ENRON CEO Kenny and GW Bush had. There are endless letters out there on the net if you care to look. ENRON and the GOP were in bed together.
Your hate for the UAW is no secret and you have yet to admit that they have built the greatest model of them all, the American middle class. Admission is the first step to recovery.
After some research, most owners agree that thye aren't exactly highway cars. Then too there is an enviromental problem of where do you dump these batteries. I'm not against them, just being practical.
Do you understand what dumping is? Toyota and Honda can't sell those car anywhere but here in America. This is common to get rid of the competition and then they can name their price and you then have little choice but to pay.
Toyota and Honda can't sell those car anywhere but here in America. This is common to get rid of the competition and then they can name their price and you then have little choice but to pay.
What about their cars? Have they been dumping for the last 20 years and never been caught?
Why can they sell them here in the U.S.? Could it be they are better than anything the Tiny 3 build? I thought you had faith in America. The American consumer is smart to buy great products despite their origin. Who knows? In the long run, American Cars can become first rate again. We will wait and see.
Sure; selling products at a loss to drive your smaller competitors out of business. GM, Ford, and Chrysler have been dumping product in the US for half a decade now. It doesn't seem to be working for them.
Yeah, and if there was a Lexus LX470 hybrid you'd call it a brilliant move on Toyota's behalf that will save its owner hundreds of thousands of dollars over the next three years and cure his tertiary pancreatic cancer! :P
Your hate for the UAW is no secret and you have yet to admit that they have built the greatest model of them all, the American middle class.
To give the UAW credit for the middle class is highly ridiculous. They may have contributed to a small exent, but it is 2008, not 1940, and now they are helping destroy it.
Today Gettelfinger was in the press exclaiming about how critical it was to give the bailout money to the D3. The leeches sucking the golden goose dry are concerned about their goose!
No, all hybrids, save the Prius are not worth the extra cash. I considered a Hylander Hybrid but it does not return the savings due to the price.
The Escalade and the LS460 are in the nose-bleed hilarious comedy category AFAIC!
I expect high performance before a price premium can justify the added technology, be that in cost savings, added comfort or physical capability over pure stock versions.
The Prius is really the only hybrid that stands alone and making sense.
Your hate for the UAW is no secret and you have yet to admit that they have built the greatest model of them all, the American middle class.
The UAW leaders are as much to blame for the current condition of the Big 3 as the management that enabled them. They were all part of contracts that dumped the burden of retirees onto the future workforce. To me that is as bad as our Federal Governments lousy SS programs. There was no thought of the future only the greed of the present in those poorly written contracts. Now you and I the tax payers will have to cover those retirees when GM falls and they will. As a life long Union person I take pride in the way our Union runs their business. We set aside money for each man hour worked in a retirement fund that is closely guarded by both current and future retirees. It does not depend on some fictitious worker ten years from now paying for our retirement. If the UAW had not been such an arrogant bunch of thugs they could have gotten pointers from Unions that were around a LONG TIME before they came into being. They are a small fry Union poorly run and we are now seeing the results of their poorly written contracts.
If you think the UAW set the standard for middle class American workers you live in a dream world.
As far as Obama getting elected. "Welcome back Carter" with a Clinton controlled cabinet. Better get your name in the hat to rent the Lincoln Bedroom. He has already back peddled on the GM Bailout. He will probably be in China when the legislation needs to be signed. Working on his one World government with him as KING.
Me TOO!! And I promise to stay solvent and will slit my wrists if I fail. Get Wagoner and Gettlefinger to sign in blood that they will commit harry carry if the bailout fails to produce a profitable car company in the USA....
To give the UAW credit for the middle class is highly ridiculous. They may have contributed to a small exent, but it is 2008, not 1940, and now they are helping destroy it.
Sounds like you have no clue and or rational answer for the greatest middle class in history. Changing the subject isn't going to change history or fact.
If I were Mullaly, I'd have told the senate where to stick their corporate jet comment as well. You act as if the CEO does nothing to earn that salary - unlike the union, there is no leverage they hold over the stockholders head to get that salary, the market pays for guys with their talents and skills, just like a football player. It seems extreme to us, but you'd take it if you could get it, you know you would.
During the past two weeks, while CEO Dave Edmondson has found himself forced to resign after admitting he had lied about his college education — and faced scrutiny about charges of driving under the influence — the company and its executives have behaved with arrogance and a lack of openness. This attitude does a great disservice to the legacy of RadioShack as a local corporate leader.
Upon Edmondson’s resignation, Claire Babrowski was named as interim successor. But when this announcement came from Len Roberts, former CEO and now executive chairman, Babrowski was nowhere to be heard or seen.
Roberts, who had proclaimed just over a year ago that Edmondson was the obvious choice to succeed him, was all of a sudden tight-lipped. (Overall, the public-relations work at RadioShack has been abysmal, almost non-existent.)
Edmondson’s fate is tinged with corporate tragedy. He had risen at a youthful age, from virtually nowhere, to become the leader of a large public company. And he was undone by fibbing on his résumé and what appears to be an alcohol problem.
Sounds like you have no clue and or rational answer for the greatest middle class in history.
Just to stay on the story you have created. The UAW at its peak did not represent 1% of the work force. Somehow you have parlayed that into the greatest middle class in history. If you had said that the UAW had strong armed the weak management at the Big 3 into contracts that would not be sustainable, I would agree. If you made the claim that the UAW workers were the most overpaid in America, I would also agree. Those $118,000 per year fork lift operators are going to have a tough time on $9 an hour at WalMart. I learned negotiating contracts that having the highest paid workers in a field is not always a good place to be. It makes your contract a target. Not always a good position to be in. Pride goeth before a fall. That applies to the UAW and the Big 3 that ain't so big anymore.
Count me in! I've lost a lot of my retirement investments and I deserve to be made whole! Otherwise I'd have to work for years longer and we must take care of our retirees!
If you made the claim that the UAW workers were the most overpaid in America, I would also agree.
Gettlefinger today said that the union costs are "now competitive". So I ask why the bailout is needed, and why the D3 can't make a competitive small car if their costs are so competitive? :confuse: :P
At the senate hearings, GM said their over seas operations are strong and profitable.
If that be true, why can't they bring some of those profits here to see them through the crisis? Why can't they bring those "winning" vehicles here to sell and get back on track while tooling up to build them here?
I recently drove a rental Aveo sedan. Didn't care for the roller skate exterior treatment or the tiny wheels/tires but the rest of the vehicle was ok.
Pleasantly surprised at the way it drove. Except for its outward appearance, I wouldn't have a problem using it as a short distance commuter, or scoot around town vehicle. Actually kind of fun to "Zip" around locally, especially at the shopping malls and dealing with parking spaces. But there are Asian vehicles such as the Fit, Yaris, Scion, Versa, as well as offerings from South Korea in the same price range, that are already established.
It would need to be priced really low to get them on the road. Perception is that if we see a lot of something on the road, it must be good enough to consider buying. Perception is reality.
Ford seems to be on the right track with the new Focus and more expensive Fusion.
But I wouldn't take a chance to make a statement that I am committed personally to make sure my company becomes solvent. No pain, no gain, so to speak.
It's not like any of them is on life support personally. At least until the company makes money, they should sacrifice. Better than getting fired!
I agree that the C.E.O. must make a good salary but when the company does not perform for years? Come on now. You would fire him if it was YOUR company, no?
A paid-off house, car, etc? Wow! That would be fantastic! Other than those things, it takes very little money to support me. In a year's time I'd have massive savings. Just got to get rid of that other costly luxury that lives with me.
Heck, I'd pull an Iacocca and work for $1 a year until the company once again became profitable. What these guys are paid for one year will easily last me the rest of my life and then some - unless I was super-stupid with my money. Didn't Waggoner get something like $22 million?
It was way more than he was worth, if you look at the net profit at GM. It could also be why he keeps signing onto UAW contracts that are not good for the bottom line. If Congress signs onto a bailout without getting rid of all the Job banks it will be criminal. A company paying those that retired after a long career is a good thing. Paying people to sit and not work is poor management. They also need to raise the age that you can start collecting retirement. Lastly take all control from the Union on modernization of the factories. They NEVER should have had a say in how a company operates. All goes back to worthless management.
Now, if my boss is a greedy idiot who will take advantage of me, disrespect me, and pay me poorly, I will take every chance I can to slack off and thwart his efforts at every turn.
Best bet is to quit asap while performing at 100 percent. In large companies, one can seek a transfer to another position/department with a new boss if pay is ok and overall company philosophy toward workers is good.
Are UAW workers treated poorly or disrespected or are they paid poorly?
Some years back, there was some kind of union contract that required that rail companies keep on an extra person in the locomotive to do nothing after the need for the associated position was eliminated by technology.
So many posts since yours, I may not even be responding to your point...but, hey!!! what the heck!!! that never stopped me before.......:):):):):)
I am not sure about your "water under the bridge" comment, but I'll give it a shot...
I think what I am trying to say is simply that the import "scandals" do not seem to be (perception, again) as numerous as the quality problems with various Big 3 models over the years...this stands out to me because we know autos better than anybody, yet we seem to let quality slip from our grasp over the years...do I have statistics???...none that I can quote, except maybe one...
American buyers have been deserting Big 3 cars over the last 20 years, and there HAS to be a reason...too many doors that don't fit, too many hoods that do not meet the fenders, too many Pintos and Vegas, and too much junk manufactured well after the years of the Japanese junk...
No one has pointed a gun at buyers collective heads, yet they have deserted Big 3 cars in droves...why is that???...I do not need to quote you statistics from JD Power or whatever...I simply need to point out that a large portion of the buying public has left the Big 3 to switch over to imports, so, regardless of how you respond to ME, it is THEY that have passively moved away from GM, Ford and Chrysler...there has to be a reason...
Since the average buyer would not know UAW from the Pilots Union, they are fleeing SOMETHING...and they don't know who runs the companies (until now, of course, but not in the last 30 years) so we know they are not deserting management, and not deserting labor by name...one can only assume they have been burned severely, or multiple times, and felt differently when they sat in an import...they sure didn't switch to Honda and Toyota just because of the colors offered...
So, is it water under the bridge???...I maintain that the Big 3 abused so many people over the last 30 years that you are now looking at the last chickens coming home to roost, and they are some mighty big chickens...am I right???...I don't know...but apparently more people are willing to forgive Toy and Honda than are willing to forgive the (probable) junk they bought from Big 3 dealers...
Now that they have a ready alternative in the imports, the Big 3 will NEVER regain their lost market share, simply because they aren't enough buyers of CTS and Malibu, and there aren't enough "lemkos" to keep DTS/Lucerne alive...
There are many more stories out there of buyers who bought American junk than there are who bought Japanese junk, and the import growing market share, IMO, is the only statistic I need...
They ain't buying American because too many have an image of poor quality that will NOT go away, so it may not be "water under the bridge" for Big 3 buyers, if they were burned multiple times in just the last 10-15 years, let alone the last 25-30...
lemko: I went to a gun show a couple weeks ago. It was so packed, you could hardly move. I had never seen so many people at this particular gun show. Most of the time, you just see the typical hunters, sportsmen, and enthusiasts, but I saw a lot of Mr. Suburban Joe Average types there and a lot more women. There are a lot of scared angry people out there and it's only going to get a lot worse if 3 million unemployed workers are dumped into the unemployment lines and eventually the welfare rolls.
They are concerned about possible restrictions or taxes on firearms that may be implemented by the incoming Obama administration, not rampages by unemployed UAW members.
dallasdude1: Lets not forget the buddy buddy relation ENRON CEO Kenny and GW Bush had. There are endless letters out there on the net if you care to look. ENRON and the GOP were in bed together.
Their relationship was so close that Bush ignored Lay's request that the federal government intervene when Enron collapsed, and Lay and several of Enron's top leaders were successfully prosecuted by the federal government during the Bush Administration.
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Have you actually driven one! I won't say the Titan is the best truck on the market; acceleration times aren't what I'd buy a truck or SUV for, but referring that the titan is slow tells me you've never driven one.
It will smoke any 5.3 powered chevy or 5.4 powered Ford and it felt a lot stronger than the few 6.0 GM trucks/Suvs I've driven.
I have some boating friends that have an Armada and tow a heavier boat than mine, the Armada will dust my previous 5.3 Suburban and my current 5.4 Expedition. The 5.6 5speed combo is unbelievably strong for it's power ratings. Hills my 5.3 powered Suburban struggled to maintain 50mph with my 4500lb boat the Armada would pull 5,500lbs 65 mph w/o a problem. Granted the Nissan truck/suvs have their own issues, power is not one them.
http://www.fordvehicles.com/2009f150/?page=/durability/
Admittedly, it's a Ford site, but the evidence is pretty irrefutable, the camera doesn't lie. The Japanese just don't quite have the truck thing down yet.
Since you brought up cash flow, how would you rate these auto giants now? Their model is choking them to death because even with the changes put in place, without those massive profits from SUV and truck sales, cash flow positive will be impossible without HUGE cuts now.
How do you think they will be able to pay back $25B? I'll wager in June they need more bailout cash.
If I had the final say on help to all 3 auto companies, it would be:
NO CASH FOR YOU! NEXT!
Oh, and I'd fire the C.E.O.s today! What gall Mulally had when asked about considering cuts to his compensation.
"No, I'm good!" Wagoner: "I am not prepared to comment."
Well, "Your FIRED!"
Regards,
OW
I will grant you that if the vehicle buying portion of the recession continues more than another year then Ford has big time trouble and they could still get sucked down by a GM bankruptcy. My point is that GM is the big problem and the one that actually needs the cash now.
2021 Kia Soul LX 6-speed stick
http://www.motortrend.com/roadtests/trucks/112_0902_2009_half_ton_truck_comparis- on/index.html
Then too, to be fair, the Hybrid Tahoe is noisy pile of junk too. Thats from owners. I might look into what Edmonds has on the Hybrids.
I haven't because I don't know anyone who's wasted their money on a Silverado SS.
As for the link you posted, I was discussing the 5.3 and 6.0 that were saddled to the 4 speeds in the 1/2 ton Silverado's as the 6.2/6speed was not offered until 2009 . GM finally can beat Nissan and basically match Toyota in the power department but gets trounced in fuel economy. Similar performance to the Toyota, but worst fuel economy of the group. Those are the slowest 0-60 times I've ever seen for a Tundra. Most I've seen have been in the 6.2 range, I've seen Escalade 0-60 times around 6.2 also with the 6.2/6speed, so I'll chalk it up to testing conditions.
I'm not saying Nissan or Toyota build a better truck as I think the Ford and Chevy are tops, but in the powertrain dept. Ford is still way behind and GM has been, but they still need big cubes to get anything done and fuel economy sucks with the 6.2 or 6.0L. How does GM offer the tallest gearing and still get the worst fuel economy (Ok, exept for Nissan which has a taller axle ratio, but I believe the trans gears or shorter). I've seen several truck/suv tests where GM has higher rated EPA mileage but ends up with the worst observed mileage. Particularly with the 6.0L and 6.2.
Hmm, I've never heard that before. I finally saw my first Tahoe Hybrid that wasn't on a dealer lot the other day.
Where is all the noise coming from? Electrical Relays? Or the trans setup, or could it be low resistance tires?
The Hybrid Tahoe is interesting with the 20mpg achievable city rating, but the reduced tow rating (6,000lbs won't cut it for me) and huge price just isn't worth it IMO, unless of course gas goes well north of $5/gal.
Will Ford or Chevy just give me a diesel Suburban or Expedition! I'd bask in my diesel torque glory and never bad mouth a Ford or GM v8 again:)
Lets not forget the buddy buddy relation ENRON CEO Kenny and GW Bush had. There are endless letters out there on the net if you care to look. ENRON and the GOP were in bed together.
Your hate for the UAW is no secret and you have yet to admit that they have built the greatest model of them all, the American middle class. Admission is the first step to recovery.
http://query.nytimes.com/gst/fullpage.html?res=940DE3DF143BF932A05750C0A96E94826- - 0
Regards,
OW
What about their cars? Have they been dumping for the last 20 years and never been caught?
Why can they sell them here in the U.S.? Could it be they are better than anything the Tiny 3 build? I thought you had faith in America. The American consumer is smart to buy great products despite their origin. Who knows? In the long run, American Cars can become first rate again. We will wait and see.
Regards,
OW
Sure; selling products at a loss to drive your smaller competitors out of business. GM, Ford, and Chrysler have been dumping product in the US for half a decade now. It doesn't seem to be working for them.
To give the UAW credit for the middle class is highly ridiculous. They may have contributed to a small exent, but it is 2008, not 1940, and now they are helping destroy it.
Today Gettelfinger was in the press exclaiming about how critical it was to give the bailout money to the D3. The leeches sucking the golden goose dry are concerned about their goose!
So you argue against the hybrids with this assertion, but boy oh boy the Volt is a great thing!
The Escalade and the LS460 are in the nose-bleed hilarious comedy category AFAIC!
I expect high performance before a price premium can justify the added technology, be that in cost savings, added comfort or physical capability over pure stock versions.
The Prius is really the only hybrid that stands alone and making sense.
Regards,
OW
The UAW leaders are as much to blame for the current condition of the Big 3 as the management that enabled them. They were all part of contracts that dumped the burden of retirees onto the future workforce. To me that is as bad as our Federal Governments lousy SS programs. There was no thought of the future only the greed of the present in those poorly written contracts. Now you and I the tax payers will have to cover those retirees when GM falls and they will. As a life long Union person I take pride in the way our Union runs their business. We set aside money for each man hour worked in a retirement fund that is closely guarded by both current and future retirees. It does not depend on some fictitious worker ten years from now paying for our retirement. If the UAW had not been such an arrogant bunch of thugs they could have gotten pointers from Unions that were around a LONG TIME before they came into being. They are a small fry Union poorly run and we are now seeing the results of their poorly written contracts.
If you think the UAW set the standard for middle class American workers you live in a dream world.
As far as Obama getting elected. "Welcome back Carter" with a Clinton controlled cabinet. Better get your name in the hat to rent the Lincoln Bedroom. He has already back peddled on the GM Bailout. He will probably be in China when the legislation needs to be signed. Working on his one World government with him as KING.
One of many DD inconsistencies. He goes by the Credo "Do as I say, Not as I DO".
Me TOO!! And I promise to stay solvent and will slit my wrists if I fail. Get Wagoner and Gettlefinger to sign in blood that they will commit harry carry if the bailout fails to produce a profitable car company in the USA....
Still, I'm glad to see that you've kicked the copy & paste habit.
Sounds like you have no clue and or rational answer for the greatest middle class in history. Changing the subject isn't going to change history or fact.
During the past two weeks, while CEO Dave Edmondson has found himself forced to resign after admitting he had lied about his college education — and faced scrutiny about charges of driving under the influence — the company and its executives have behaved with arrogance and a lack of openness. This attitude does a great disservice to the legacy of RadioShack as a local corporate leader.
Upon Edmondson’s resignation, Claire Babrowski was named as interim successor. But when this announcement came from Len Roberts, former CEO and now executive chairman, Babrowski was nowhere to be heard or seen.
Roberts, who had proclaimed just over a year ago that Edmondson was the obvious choice to succeed him, was all of a sudden tight-lipped. (Overall, the public-relations work at RadioShack has been abysmal, almost non-existent.)
Edmondson’s fate is tinged with corporate tragedy. He had risen at a youthful age, from virtually nowhere, to become the leader of a large public company. And he was undone by fibbing on his résumé and what appears to be an alcohol problem.
http://www.fwbusinesspress.com/display.php?id=4538
Roll Tide
Just what does a story about a 3rd rate electronics junk store chain have to do with the mess the UAW has created for the Big 3?
Just to stay on the story you have created. The UAW at its peak did not represent 1% of the work force. Somehow you have parlayed that into the greatest middle class in history. If you had said that the UAW had strong armed the weak management at the Big 3 into contracts that would not be sustainable, I would agree. If you made the claim that the UAW workers were the most overpaid in America, I would also agree. Those $118,000 per year fork lift operators are going to have a tough time on $9 an hour at WalMart. I learned negotiating contracts that having the highest paid workers in a field is not always a good place to be. It makes your contract a target. Not always a good position to be in. Pride goeth before a fall. That applies to the UAW and the Big 3 that ain't so big anymore.
Count me in! I've lost a lot of my retirement investments and I deserve to be made whole! Otherwise I'd have to work for years longer and we must take care of our retirees!
And he told me I changed my subject on the creation of the middle class by the UAW! :P :P :P :P :P
Gettlefinger today said that the union costs are "now competitive". So I ask why the bailout is needed, and why the D3 can't make a competitive small car if their costs are so competitive? :confuse: :P
If that be true, why can't they bring some of those profits here to see them through the crisis? Why can't they bring those "winning" vehicles here to sell and get back on track while tooling up to build them here?
I recently drove a rental Aveo sedan. Didn't care for the roller skate exterior treatment or the tiny wheels/tires but the rest of the vehicle was ok.
Pleasantly surprised at the way it drove. Except for its outward appearance, I wouldn't have a problem using it as a short distance commuter, or scoot around town vehicle. Actually kind of fun to "Zip" around locally, especially at the shopping malls and dealing with parking spaces. But there are Asian vehicles such as the Fit, Yaris, Scion, Versa, as well as offerings from South Korea in the same price range, that are already established.
It would need to be priced really low to get them on the road. Perception is that if we see a lot of something on the road, it must be good enough to consider buying. Perception is reality.
Ford seems to be on the right track with the new Focus and more expensive Fusion.
Kip
It's not like any of them is on life support personally. At least until the company makes money, they should sacrifice. Better than getting fired!
I agree that the C.E.O. must make a good salary but when the company does not perform for years? Come on now. You would fire him if it was YOUR company, no?
Regards,
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It was way more than he was worth, if you look at the net profit at GM. It could also be why he keeps signing onto UAW contracts that are not good for the bottom line. If Congress signs onto a bailout without getting rid of all the Job banks it will be criminal. A company paying those that retired after a long career is a good thing. Paying people to sit and not work is poor management. They also need to raise the age that you can start collecting retirement. Lastly take all control from the Union on modernization of the factories. They NEVER should have had a say in how a company operates. All goes back to worthless management.
Does someone actually know more about that agreement in a way they can explain if and how it remedies some of the perceptions I and others have?
2014 Malibu 2LT, 2015 Cruze 2LT,
Best bet is to quit asap while performing at 100 percent. In large companies, one can seek a transfer to another position/department with a new boss if pay is ok and overall company philosophy toward workers is good.
Are UAW workers treated poorly or disrespected or are they paid poorly?
Some years back, there was some kind of union contract that required that rail companies keep on an extra person in the locomotive to do nothing after the need for the associated position was eliminated by technology.
What is a "UAW" product? Where are the facts/data on decomposition?
To what extent do UAW employees determine products to be manufactured, designs, engineering and quality of materials and parts used in products?
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God bless this wonderful woman. There are some things she points out that are very very disturbing.
What the.....
Are you drinking and writing at 9:06 pm?
Thanks for raising the question. I've been wondering the same thing: could dallasdude1 be guilty of PWI (posting while impaired)?
I am not sure about your "water under the bridge" comment, but I'll give it a shot...
I think what I am trying to say is simply that the import "scandals" do not seem to be (perception, again) as numerous as the quality problems with various Big 3 models over the years...this stands out to me because we know autos better than anybody, yet we seem to let quality slip from our grasp over the years...do I have statistics???...none that I can quote, except maybe one...
American buyers have been deserting Big 3 cars over the last 20 years, and there HAS to be a reason...too many doors that don't fit, too many hoods that do not meet the fenders, too many Pintos and Vegas, and too much junk manufactured well after the years of the Japanese junk...
No one has pointed a gun at buyers collective heads, yet they have deserted Big 3 cars in droves...why is that???...I do not need to quote you statistics from JD Power or whatever...I simply need to point out that a large portion of the buying public has left the Big 3 to switch over to imports, so, regardless of how you respond to ME, it is THEY that have passively moved away from GM, Ford and Chrysler...there has to be a reason...
Since the average buyer would not know UAW from the Pilots Union, they are fleeing SOMETHING...and they don't know who runs the companies (until now, of course, but not in the last 30 years) so we know they are not deserting management, and not deserting labor by name...one can only assume they have been burned severely, or multiple times, and felt differently when they sat in an import...they sure didn't switch to Honda and Toyota just because of the colors offered...
So, is it water under the bridge???...I maintain that the Big 3 abused so many people over the last 30 years that you are now looking at the last chickens coming home to roost, and they are some mighty big chickens...am I right???...I don't know...but apparently more people are willing to forgive Toy and Honda than are willing to forgive the (probable) junk they bought from Big 3 dealers...
Now that they have a ready alternative in the imports, the Big 3 will NEVER regain their lost market share, simply because they aren't enough buyers of CTS and Malibu, and there aren't enough "lemkos" to keep DTS/Lucerne alive...
There are many more stories out there of buyers who bought American junk than there are who bought Japanese junk, and the import growing market share, IMO, is the only statistic I need...
They ain't buying American because too many have an image of poor quality that will NOT go away, so it may not be "water under the bridge" for Big 3 buyers, if they were burned multiple times in just the last 10-15 years, let alone the last 25-30...
They are concerned about possible restrictions or taxes on firearms that may be implemented by the incoming Obama administration, not rampages by unemployed UAW members.
And yet every survey I've seen gives them excellent scores for reliability.
Did the person who told you that Asian cars decompose faster than domestic ones tell you this about the Honda hybrids, too?
Their relationship was so close that Bush ignored Lay's request that the federal government intervene when Enron collapsed, and Lay and several of Enron's top leaders were successfully prosecuted by the federal government during the Bush Administration.
Sounds like a real close relationship...