United Automobile Workers of America (UAW)

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  • jimbresjimbres Member Posts: 2,025
    Well, this proud Misean libertarian globalist free-trader feels entitled to a new BMW (or a CTS), so blow the dust off your credit card & get down to Wal-Mart today.
  • rockyleerockylee Member Posts: 14,017
    Why don't you sell your Wal~Mart, stock and invest it in something like McDonald's because I eat their at least once a week to get my double cheeseburger fix!!!! :P

    -Rocky
  • jimbresjimbres Member Posts: 2,025
    Thanks for the tip, Rocky, but I really do prefer the CTS. Before I buy my next car, whatever it is, I certainly will take a CTS out for a spin.
  • imidazol97imidazol97 Member Posts: 27,690
    >Stop complaining & start shopping.

    My wife shops less and less at Walmart. She's been insulted by the cashiers so many times it's funny. Today she was buying a piece of clothing that was white and didn't want to put it on the moving belt for the register. The cashier licked his finger and wiped it on the conveyor belt to show my wife that he kept his conveyor belt CLEAN. He was reluctant to accept her handing the piece of clothing to him without putting it on the belt. Everytime she goes to _your_ store she comes home with a lowlife description of her experiences.

    You need to upscale your employees at Walmart. Please pass that along to your CEO.

    Maybe Wally World can employ some of the laid off UAW works some posters hate so much. They would definitely have a work ethic above the minimum wage at Wally.

    2014 Malibu 2LT, 2015 Cruze 2LT,

  • andre1969andre1969 Member Posts: 26,038
    I don't care about WalMart, but could you at least stop off at McDonalds and get something to eat, and maybe drop by the liquor store and pick up a case of Coors? :P

    Ooh, and get your kids a Wii and an Iphone, too!

    **Edit...I didn't even see your McDonalds comment until after I made this post. But for eating there, I thank you. :shades:
  • jimbresjimbres Member Posts: 2,025
    That's not a bad idea. MacDonald's has been a top performer during the past year.

    (My secret vice is Burger King's Double Beef Whopper. I allow myself one of those per month.)
  • jimbresjimbres Member Posts: 2,025
    To tell the truth, I haven't set foot in a Wal-Mart in almost 10 years.
  • imidazol97imidazol97 Member Posts: 27,690
    > I also try to avoid them at all cost and thankfully we have choices here in MI.

    I relayed all the good things that happened to me at Meijers to the website email. I had found the employees helpful and actually acting like they worked there, unlike the local Walmart. I got an email response from the store manager. I am sure I made the day with a compliment for several different employees who did those little things and for once got a pat on the back instead of a complain for something they did wrong for an irritable customer.

    I will buy at Meijers and pay more just so I don't have to take a bath when I get home. And Meijers employs many low ability/mildly handicapped workers in controlled situations giving them employment. I know they get compensation for employing them, but they really try to make them productive.

    Just thought I'd continue the positive comments rather than the continual lambasting of the UAW.

    Today the GM plan will be unveiled. It will be interesting to see what BO does for GM and Chrysler. His pork bill that his party gave him had so little real contemporaneous stimulation money in it, it shows how he's lost control as president to the little politicians. Will he force the UAW to eat crow? Will he tell GM to go pound steel? Will he play a populist game with the economy (the market's already down 290 points on the down, SP is 780 as they wait for the signing of the emergency stimulus that had to be done in a hurry but can wait 5 days for signature!!! grin) ;) :P :sick:

    2014 Malibu 2LT, 2015 Cruze 2LT,

  • rockyleerockylee Member Posts: 14,017
    Will be interesting!!!! I read that GM, got the extra $4billion approved...Is that correct imidazol97??? :surprise:

    -Rocky

    P.S. I also ain't buying A-Roid's story he's telling us!!!
  • lemkolemko Member Posts: 15,261
    Here's an Epitaph for Consumerism

    A Grim Future for the All-American Mall
  • rockyleerockylee Member Posts: 14,017
    Well your mall and car dealership will be under one-roof at your local Wal~Mart, lemko!!! YaaaaaaaaaaaaaY!!!!!

    Perhaps they will open up a sweat shop assembly line for ex UAW workers to assemble lead tainted chinese made toy's.....

    -Rocky
  • rockyleerockylee Member Posts: 14,017
    Is my kids generation going to grow up and aspire to owning a new Tata, Geely, Brickland, Chery??? I guess the neo-cons will be happy because we will be one happy union free country.

    -Rocky
  • wvgasguywvgasguy Member Posts: 1,405
    Will be interesting!!!! I read that GM, got the extra $4billion approved...Is that correct imidazol97???

    I had heard this morning that Obama had already approved the extra GM money and the plan wouldn't be out until March. Could be anohter $4B down the toilet if they simply come back and nothing is accomplished between now and March.
  • gagricegagrice Member Posts: 31,450
    Your Kids will be driving this after it is mandated by the 111th Congress and signed by Obama... Consider the UAW thrown under the global Obama bus.

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  • steverstever Guest Posts: 52,454
    I thought your generation was tuning Hondas?

    UAW comments anyone?
  • fintailfintail Member Posts: 58,494
    For your well being, be sure to get the armor plated version of the hideous 7er. ;)

    The class warfare the globalists fail to account for will make it a wise option box to tick. That is, unless the martial law dreamed of by Paulson and his clique of garbage silences the opposition. I wonder if the UAW makes any armored cars. Maybe they should...definite growth potential there.
  • fintailfintail Member Posts: 58,494
    That's a cool story lemko, thanks.
  • jimbresjimbres Member Posts: 2,025
    For your well being, be sure to get the armor plated version of the hideous 7er.

    Nope. Not my cup of tea. I'd rather have a CTS.

    The class warfare the globalists fail to account for will make it a wise option box to tick.

    Class warfare! Haven't heard that phrase since my youthful flirtation with socialism. Now I'm getting nostalgic.
  • fintailfintail Member Posts: 58,494
    Mock it, that's a sure way to stop it. I like to think the first world won't submit to the globalists and their demands for lowering socio-economic standards, their creation of destructive unsustainable immigration, and their dreams of one world government, without a fight.
  • steverstever Guest Posts: 52,454
    "Under the terms of GM and Chrysler's loans, both companies must use their best efforts to reach "targets" to reduce debt and labor costs. One target says the automakers need to make half of their payments into the health care trust in the form of stock rather than cash. Another requires the companies to reduce unsecured debt by two-thirds by swapping debt for equity. The terms also seek labor cost parity with Japanese automakers that have U.S. plants.

    The union fears that if it takes too much stock, the trusts won't have enough to pay benefits for hundreds of thousands of retirees and spouses."

    GM, UAW close to deal as deadline nears (Yahoo)
  • gagricegagrice Member Posts: 31,450
    Something that baffles me is why anyone with money would loan it to GM without any security? I would have to be getting at least 12% and preferably 15% to take the risk on that kind of lending. That had to be lending someone else's money to do such a foolish thing. I also understand the UAW's concern with taking stock for the VEBA fund. What a mess the UAW has created... :shades:
  • kernickkernick Member Posts: 4,072
    I quickly read that article Steve. And I didn't note 1 DEFINITIVE action of the plan; did you?

    I mean it looks like a bunch of "close to an agreement", "Probables", or "Plans to downsize or close plants but not sure which ones or how many".

    What this looks like to me is just BS to placate the government, as they are committing to NOTHING. It's a bunch of dreams and promises. This whole thing has sleaze pouring from it :mad:
  • grbeckgrbeck Member Posts: 2,358
    lemko: Wal~Mart is the personification of EVERYTHING that is evil about Corporate America!

    In the 1960s and 1970s, many people said the same thing about General Motors. Now their ideological descendants are the ones pushing for the bailout of GM and Chrysler.

    Corporations are business entities, nothing more or less. They exist to make money by providing a service or product that the people want. That is what GM did in the 1960s and 1970s, and what Wal-Mart does today. Wal-Mart has its good points, and its bad points, just as GM did during its heyday.

    And I don't believe that Wal-Mart has anywhere near the market domination that GM did during its peak in the early 1960s, when it controlled over half of the new-car market. GM dictated everything from the price of new vehicles to their styling. GM even influenced the colors that were offered during that time. And that domination eventually led to the technological stagnation of the American auto industry, along with serious declines in build quality and reliability, which opened the door for the Japanese at the low end and the Germans at the high end.
  • cooterbfdcooterbfd Member Posts: 2,770
    ".....Now 2.5 million jobs lost from the fall of D3 plus the current unemployement rate you'll get 10 million at most. 10 million is still too far away from reaching 10%."

    If you do the math, then you'll see that 7.6% of 156 million is 11.85 million. That, plus 2.5 equals 14.35 million. That's pretty darn close to 15.6 million, and a FAR cry from your 10 million "Guess"!!!!

    Now, I will give you the stimulus and infrastructure will help to keep it from 10%. But, if you can do this AND keep those 2.5 million other jobs, WHY NOT?????
  • cooterbfdcooterbfd Member Posts: 2,770
    ".....It is the most corrupt state in the union!!!"

    Wrong Rocky, ask anybody from the littlest state, WE are the most corrupt!!!
  • cooterbfdcooterbfd Member Posts: 2,770
    ".....You should try being a shop steward sometime with 1000 telephone operators to keep happy. I have and it was a lousy job."

    Been there, done that (though not as the steward). There isn't enough joy in the world to keep a hundred operators happy, let alone a thousand!!!!
  • jimbresjimbres Member Posts: 2,025
    Wal-Mart reported earnings that beat Wall Street's estimates, & their share price closed up on what was a bad day overall for the market, so I'm a happy Misean. I'll open an extra bottle of bubbly tonight - perhaps a '97 Bollinger La Grande, the favorite of exploiting globalists everywhere - & share my good fortune with the hired help by giving them an extra hour off this Sunday.
  • steverstever Guest Posts: 52,454
    The deadline has passed in DC and I haven't heard squat about the automaker's submissions re their loans. The only significant headline is that the feds haven't taken the bankruptcy off the table for the automakers.

    Tick tock ....
  • gagricegagrice Member Posts: 31,450
    Alascom actually had 1200 at one time. 300 positions of TSD. It's too hot in here, It's too cold in here, on and on. Modernization has eliminated all but about 20 marine and specialized positions. That takes care of the constant complaining. Digital equipment rarely files a grievance. :confuse:

    When I started there it was all 3CL cord boards 3 full lineups. Every call in and out of Alaska was manual in 1970-71. Then we installed an NT500. The UAW workers should have seen the writing on the wall when big companies started going South in the late 1960s. North Electric, Northern Telecom, ITT. All due to repressive labor agreements in the Midwest.

    Hard to imagine little Rhode Island is so corrupt. Can't be as bad as Chicago.
  • dave8697dave8697 Member Posts: 1,498
    My union comments:
    teachers make 15% more per hour than UAW.
    I think mechanics at the dealership charge $55 an hour.
    The people left at GM are doing their job very well, and deserve at least 85% of a grade school teacher's pay.

    I want to see the hammer fall elsewhere. Like my insurance company who just raised my home insurance 12.5%. In the face of falling home values they raised my required insurance amount. What about materials? The transport cost is way down.

    Or on gov't workers who don't even have a job to do.

    What's up with the post office needing to cut back one day of service and raise stamp prices when gas is down to when stamps were 37 cents?
  • cooterbfdcooterbfd Member Posts: 2,770
    Oh, no. In the '60's through '80's, the mafia was BIG TIME here. They only answered to NYC. That permeated throughout our gov't. You want anything dome here, you gotta grease the right skids.
  • gagricegagrice Member Posts: 31,450
    you gotta grease the right skids.

    All done through the Unions, Right?

    I have a close friend from Greece that is in the Tourism Ministry. He said he would not do another show in Chicago because of the way the Union controlled the convention center. They damaged his Parthenon and would not accept responsibility. He could not move his chair without calling for the Union. The Unions are getting a bad name everywhere and many times it is deserved. The mob connection to the Hoffa Teamsters is the reason the Alaska Teamsters stayed independent for decades.
  • rockyleerockylee Member Posts: 14,017
    Well they swap out the Nippon's for UAW made Delphi Fuel Injectors ;)

    -Rocky
  • imidazol97imidazol97 Member Posts: 27,690
    >teachers make 15% more per hour than UAW.

    I took a starting teacher pay of $25000 and divided by 186 days and 8 hours per and got $16.80 per hour.

    If I take $55000 and do the same I get $36 per hour.

    Of course teachers are professionals just like doctors and lawyers and indian chiefs.

    2014 Malibu 2LT, 2015 Cruze 2LT,

  • rockyleerockylee Member Posts: 14,017
    Steve, what 4 companies at GM, are going to survive. Logic says Chevrolet, Buick, Cadillac, and ?????.....Will it be Pontiac, Saturn, or GMC. Darn it where's 62vetteefp, at??? 62, tell me who's surviving this???? I have very concerned ex coworkers...GM, only says they are keeping 4 brands based on the report submitted to Congress!!!! Anyone know which 4 they are keeping. I just read here on edmunds that the 2011 Saab 9-5 has been seen in a spy photo and jimbres, might have another future choice, eh????

    2011 Saab 9-5...The brand that was suppose to die many deaths but somehow keep afloat. I personally would keep Saab, GMC, Cadillac, Buick, Cadillac, and ax Saturn and Pontiac!!!!

    http://blogs.edmunds.com/straightline/2009/02/spy-photos-2011-saab-9-5-spotted-i- n-scandinavia.html

    -Rocky
  • wvgasguywvgasguy Member Posts: 1,405
    teachers make 15% more per hour than UAW.

    Not around here and they only get it for 10 months. In addition they have to have a degree and be working towards a masters or additional hours.
  • rockyleerockylee Member Posts: 14,017
    Teacher's are professionals??? Not all of em' imidazol97.....I had some good ones and some horrible one that made you take notes all class and couldn't articulate any sort of story so it would stick in your mind.

    -Rocky
  • rockyleerockylee Member Posts: 14,017
    Mises, is burning extra bright tonight from hell for you!!! ;)

    -Rocky
  • bpeeblesbpeebles Member Posts: 4,085
    "I want to see the hammer fall elsewhere. Like my insurance company who just raised my home insurance 12.5%. In the face of falling home values they raised my required insurance amount. What about materials? The transport cost is way down. "

    You do not seem to have a clue how the insurance industry works. EVERY occourance ANYWHERE (8/11, Katrina, earthquakes, floods) all end up being underwritten by a HUGE conglomerate of insurers. In other words, every time a hruacane hits Florida, the insurance rates in iowa will be impacted. If a ship full of sugar is hijacked... the insurance rates in North-Dakota will be impacted. That is just how the insurance industry works.
  • rockyleerockylee Member Posts: 14,017
    Hoffa, was a good man. I'm suprised he didn't take your union president to the igloo, back then!!!! :surprise:

    -Rocky
  • steverstever Guest Posts: 52,454
    what 4 companies at GM, are going to survive.

    The plan that GM submitted today says that Chevy, Caddy, Buick and GMC will be left standing (in the US anyway).

    The link to the 117 page report is on AutoObserver.

    The document also says:

    "In addition to the above, GM‘s management and the UAW have reached a tentative agreement regarding modification to the GM/UAW labor agreement. This tentative agreement is subject to ratification by the UAW membership. The terms of the tentative agreement are not being disclosed pending such ratification. "
  • rockyleerockylee Member Posts: 14,017
    Okay!!!! Thank-you!!!

    -Rocky
  • duke23duke23 Member Posts: 488
    g : wrote
    " Hard to imagine little Rhode Island is so corrupt. Can't be as bad as Chicago. "

    Those that hail from Illinois will argue the point, and recent news does cement their argument. But in the grand scheme corruption and congress go hand in hand. I offer up for corruption candidate the Bayou state. Quote from Billy Tauzin, Democratic Representative. Known as a conservative Democrat, he once stated that half of the State of Louisiana was under water and the other half was under indictment.

    Laissez les bon temps rouler !
  • rockyleerockylee Member Posts: 14,017
    My car buddies are spinning out!!! Wow, I'm getting bombarded with text messages thus edmunds.com is breaking news for a lot of folks who heard 4 brands but didn't know which 4 would survive Steve!!!! WOW!!!! :surprise:

    -Rocky
  • jimbresjimbres Member Posts: 2,025
    Mises is burning extra bright tonight from hell for you!!!

    LOL, Rocky!
  • gagricegagrice Member Posts: 31,450
    Hoffa, was a good man. I'm suprised he didn't take your union president to the igloo, back then!!!

    Jimmy Hoffa was a no good thug gangster. His son may have some redeeming qualities yet to be seen. Hoffa loaned out millions of the pension fund to the mafia. That was the reason those that started the Alaska Teamsters did not want to be considered part of that gang of thieves. If they ground Hoffa up alive it was too good for him. You have a real warped sense of what is right and what is wrong.
  • gagricegagrice Member Posts: 31,450
    I offer up for corruption candidate the Bayou state.

    Isn't that where the Democrats warehouse a lot of votes? Seems they were more concerned about FEMA getting down to New Orleans than to Kentucky when people were dying in the dark and covered with ice. Where was that bunch of losers from CNN?

    Can't blame it on the UAW. Or were they after those Toyota plant workers in KY?
  • rockyleerockylee Member Posts: 14,017
    The Mafia, was good for this country back in the day...If you were a good law abiding citizen like a Teamster or UAW member the mob left you alone. All my senior relatives much older than me all agree Vegas, was safer and better managed back in the day!!! ;) Jimmy Hoffa, despite his faults and he had many did a lot of real good for working people in this country thus the union folks and ordinary non-union working class owes a certain amount of gratitude to him IMHO.

    -Rocky
  • rockyleerockylee Member Posts: 14,017
    The UAW, was only after the non-union workers in that plant so when EFCA, passes then they will have no problem getting that 50% majority!!! :P

    -Rocky
  • gagricegagrice Member Posts: 31,450
    They can send it to hell that is where Hoffa resides. Sheeesh you are a warped puppy. There was never ever anything good about the Mafia.

    PS
    Mexico was safer before Clinton forced the drug trade up through Mexico... It is no wonder that Michigan is in such dire straits with the kind of thinking I am hearing from you. Not that CA is any better. It is the same lame mentality in both states that have caused all the problems. And Unions including my Teamsters and your UAW are a big part of the problem.
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