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Meanwhile, not to stray too far from the UAW, Saturn: Dealers Hope to Keep Name Alive.
If HUMMER is sold before the end of March, I suppose that technically that brand will survive, but it may not be associated with GM at all. Then there's the Saab sale to the Swedish government that's been kicked around.
Hey the guy got things done even if it was a bit illegal at times. He didn't do anything more illegal than your buddy Cheney. Did you see him attack Bush, today for not offering Libby, a pardon. Geeez!!!! I respect Bush, for standing up to the most corrupt politician of the modern day era!!!! :mad:
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Mexico was safer before Clinton forced the drug trade up through Mexico... It is no wonder that Michigan is in such dire straits with the kind of thinking I am hearing from you. Not that CA is any better. It is the same lame mentality in both states that have caused all the problems. And Unions including my Teamsters and your UAW are a big part of the problem.
Well the consquences of our unions not being around would be dire straits for the working class. I guess one would have no voice in his or hers work place and if you did speak up well you would be fired!!! The only benefits you would have is if you slept with your boss. Forget overtime or making the kind of wages you and the UAW, made. Do you really believe they would pay some [non-permissible content removed] $100K plus to work for the Telephone company if autoworkers were making $10 an/hr. if they were lucky in a non-union enviroment and would work em' tons of OT with no additional compensation. I guess you soon forget all the positives unions have done for working people and all the non-union workers wouldn't have any coat tails to live from to base their wage scales on. We would be one happy 3rd world country and with the decline of union membership so goes the economy!!! The 1950's and 60's when unionization was at it's peak well the american dream was easily achieved!!!!
-Rocky
-Rocky
-Rocky
P.S. I don't think anyone has a problem with GM legal services going buh bye either!!!
I really don't have a problem with Pontiac, Saturn, Hummer, going away!!!!
-Rocky
Not at all I thank the good Lord every day for my good fortune. The Teamster's was not my first choice of Unions. I made do best I could and have a smaller retirement than if we had gone into the IBEW. I am looking for balance man. There is no balance with you and the UAW. It is all UAW and screw the company. All you have to do is look at all the government redundancy. All Union workers and half do not deserve a paycheck. Yet the UNION mentality is whether you work or not you are entitled to a fat paycheck. Life is not and should not be that way. If you are not producing you should be cut from the company.
I include management. I probably worked for a 100 managers and supervisors over 46 years. Only two stand out as worth a hoot. I am harder on management than I am on the workers. Most management I have encountered were way under qualified to be my boss. You know what? As long as I made more than they did it was ok with me if they were stupid. Made my job easier and more relaxed. I had more hassles with ignorant workers that thought they should file a grievance because the toilet paper in the ladies room was softer than the men's room. We ended up with the same course toilet paper in all the restrooms.
I have no doubt that Obama would love to abolish all states rights and rule from Washington DC. Fortunately the Constitution was written by people much smarter than he is and they thought about a dictator trying to take over. The Stimulus will take away more rights from the individual than you will like. Especially where the older members of your family are concerned. Read about HIT. And the Daschle section. Your Dad will love it.
Millard said policymakers need "a clear understanding of the magnitude of the numbers and the risks" associated with the automakers.
In total, the Big Three pensions cover nearly 1.3 million people. If all three automakers were to collapse and turn their plans over to the pension corporation, the agency estimates it would pay out $13 billion of the $41 billion, because of limits set by Congress on how much the pension corporation can cover. The agency generally has a yearly cap of $54,000 in benefits for people who are 65.
As of Nov. 30, the pension plans for hourly and salaried workers at General Motors Corp. had a combined deficit of $20 billion and Ford Motor Co. had an $11.7 billion deficit, according to Millard; Chrysler LLC had a $9.3 billion deficit as of Jan. 1.
The three automakers reported $130.5 billion in pension assets, which represents only 76 percent of their combined liabilities. GM's pension is 20 percent underfunded, Chrysler's is 34 percent underfunded, and Ford is short by 27 percent.
http://www.detnews.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20090110/AUTO01/901100383
Good Post!
-Rocky
What does that stand for???
And the Daschle section.
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Daschle, is gone!!!
-Rocky
EFCA could pass just as Pelosi written Stimulus Plan passed House with zero Repubs and Senate with 3 dope Repub Senators.
Looks like Pontiac would end up with G8 and Solstice and then later these could be Chevrolets.
-Rocky
-Rocky
He is out because he is a tax cheat. His book is quoted extensively in the Stimulus bill on new rules dealing with health care. That will include your UAW family members that will just have to realize that the government cannot waste money caring for old dudes.
http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=newsarchive&sid=aLzfDxfbwhzs
It certainly is the change I believe in along with millions of others by my side!!!
-Rocky
This is nothing more than Betsy McCaughey's opinions.....Sheeeesh!!! I see a few quotes and it's Betsy's interpretation of what Daschle, is implying. I don't like to form opinions off of other people interpretations as it's clear she is trying to slander Mr. Daschle. I have no problem with some of the changes Daschle, is proposing to reduce healthcare costs in this country. My UAW family members well most are now retired and are covered under employer paid insurance thus unless something major changes which is possible but not certain thus much of this legislation may or may not affect them. However it will make the costs go down which is a good thing for everyone involved!!!
-Rocky
You trust the government like you trust the UAW. They will both let you down in time. Mark my words on your calendar.
The UAW, has faught for lower healthcare costs because it directly affects their bottom line also come contract time!!!
-Rocky
Wow, Rock, we agree on something. Good luck with the job search.
Yeah, that is a mess. A small part of my wife's job is buying independent pharmacies. Before Medicare Part D, most small pharmacies wouldn't give her the time of day except when the owner was ready to retire and didn't have a successor. Once Med Part D passed many were flocking to her trying to get out what ever they could for their pharmacy business.
diesel, it is nice to agree on something once in a while!!!
Here's a couple of interesting articles
"Worst Is Yet to Come:" Americans' Standard of Living Permanently Changed
By Howard Davidowitz.........
http://finance.yahoo.com/tech-ticker/article/176478/%22Worst-Is-Yet-to-Come%22-A- mericans'-Standard-of-Living-Permanently-Changed?tickers=WMT,WFMI,FDO,%5EGSPC,%5EDJI,RTH-
AP sources: UAW deal cuts bonuses, some raises
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20090218/ap_on_bi_ge/autos_uaw
Bankruptcy remains an option for GM, analysts say
http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20090218/bs_nm/us_gm_analysts
-Rocky
2014 Malibu 2LT, 2015 Cruze 2LT,
-Rocky
-Rocky
That is how it is now. You sign a card, the cards go to the NLRB for certification, and then the "politicking" begins. At some point in time, the NLRB then holds a secret ballot. Most of the time people vote with their feet because their arms have been twisted to death!!!!
All this law would do is say that if the NLRB gets cards signed from more than 50% of the workforce, then there is no need for a secret ballot. You could still call for one, but the law would allow the card check to be the ballots.
And I suppose even though it's illegal, management NEVER does this. If you believe that, you'd probably follow your boss off a bridge too.
I went out to celebrate his success and had a great dinner at Logan's steak house tonight.
The direction of the local economy?
I get a kick out of how the future is expected to bring everyone down to my level. People driving older cars and sending their kid to a state school. Saving, not borrowing against their homes. I'll be suprised if it really happens.
We have a nice new mall in our town that is still trying to fill out. It is the place to go to see the latest import SUVs driving around. Our town is doing OK. we are at the edge of a new airport that has seen tremendous growth in distribution centers surrounding it. We have a major Fed Ex hub at our airport. Local home construction is pretty steady. They start a new home construction in my neighborhood every couple weeks. Here in the Midwest it has always been slower but steady growth.
I'm glad to hear this: Union workers in suffering industry:
http://www.theindychannel.com/news/18741320/detail.html
1) they tenaciously cling to the job they have, working there for as many years as they can, and
2) if they had to look for work tomorrow, could they get another job paying even 80% of the total wages and benefits (including future pay and benefits - pension).
So when you see people who are asked to take these cuts and then they just moan a bit and continue to plug away at that same job at that same company, then you can say with some certainty that they are overpaid and still may be.
It's just like GM trying to sell Saab or Hummer. Gm thinks they're worth X, but no one is willing to pay X, so GM is overpricing Hummer and Saab. What is Hummer and Saab worth - they're worth what someone else is willing to pay for them.
Don't follow your logic. Teachers don't get paid for holidays. Most are not off 3 months; more like 2 months 1 week. Either way doubt your lawyer, cpa, doctor, dentist works for $33 per hour.
2014 Malibu 2LT, 2015 Cruze 2LT,
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SOME Overhead?! Try at least 20%. My total compensation is $75,000/yr but my salary is $61,000/yr. The 401K, SS, Medicare, paid vacations & holidays, and insurance are the $14,000 overhead. I don't make $36/hr, I make $29/hour.
The "teachers" you quote likely have an average salary of $40K/yr or $25.60/hr using this twisted math and a 4-yr. college degree is mandatory.
P.S. I'm not in the auto industry.
summer from May 30 till Aug 29
3 full weeks off at christmas
at least 10 different 2 hr delays for snow or cold weather this winter
1 snow day so far
spring break and fall break
7.5 hr day including lunch
Thats 15 full weeks off just between xmas and summer.
Then they also get personal or vacation days. I don't know how many, but I know a substitute teacher who can work everyday if she wanted to.
186 days would be 14.8 weeks off. maybe they have a few planning days when the kids are off, but my guess would be they get 17 total weeks off plus 2-3 more weeks in holidays.
UAW day is 8 hrs on timeclock plus lunch time is additional. That is a 186 hr or 4.5 week difference right there.
My sister's friends were teachers back in NY. They worked from '75 to '95 and then retired with 80% of last 5 yrs pay. Back in '95 in NY, that was 80% of $45-50k. Collecting pensions at age 44 is nice. My friend near Yonkers has to pay $12,000 a year property taxes to support those pensions.
I'm very proud of you for breaking it down and further proves my point that teachers are way more overpaid than UAW workers given the fact that you can be a lousy one and just write notes on a overhead screen like some of mine did and learn nothing but memorizing notes to pass the test. I however am not a hater and am happy teachers at least here in the North are well compensated.
I had some really good teachers that were so good I still remember a lot of what they taught me still today!!!
-Rocky
COLUMBUS, Ind. -- Workers at a southern Indiana auto parts factory have accepted wage and insurance cuts in order to help keep the factory open.
Union members voted 156-20 Tuesday in favor of a new contract that included the concessions with Columbus Components Group, said Jerry Wagner, business manager for International Brotherhood of Electrical Workers Local 1424.
Columbus Components, which employs about 400 people, sent a letter to employees Feb. 9 saying the factory could be closed as early as March 1 because of the slumping economy and automotive industry.
Union members accepted a 5 percent pay cut, an increase in insurance premiums and deductibles and suspension of company contributions to employees' 401(k) plans.
"It's really a no-brainer," said maintenance worker Anthony Davis, who's been at the plant for 12 years. "It's better to take a little cut than stand in the unemployment line."
I really cannot believe you are comparing a teacher to some moron putting cars together. If you had a bad teacher or two and it shows. You can blame it on the teachers Union. They protect worthless teachers the same as the UAW protects worthless auto workers. I really cannot believe I am stooping so low as to get in a debate over Teachers getting more pay than autoworkers. It is so idiotic in its very concept.
Two weeks max and you can train an illegal to do 95% of the work in an auto factory. The UAW jobs are on the way out. GM has already taken some of that money we gave them to refurbish a factory in Brazil.
SAO PAULO — General Motors plans to invest $1 billion in Brazil to avoid the kind of problems the U.S. automaker is facing in its home market, said the beleaguered car maker.
According to the president of GM Brazil-Mercosur, Jaime Ardila, the funding will come from the package of financial aid that the manufacturer will receive from the U.S. government and will be used to “complete the renovation of the line of products up to 2012.”
Rocky, You have done nothing to make UAW workers seem worthy of the high wages they get. Just the opposite with those dumb comparisons to school teachers. The same school teachers that have to put up with ignorant children that grow up to be UAW workers.
"Although it's often regarded as one of the toughest professions out there, teaching is also an incredibly rewarding career," said Weaver. "When we help educators accelerate through the transition period from student to practitioner, we keep great teachers in the driver's seat."
NEA-Saturn/UAW Partnership Awards Announced
Seems that the UAW doesn't agree with the teacher bashing.
Let's move on shall we?
Superior UAW???? Really??? What makes you think ONE product makes them superior???? CTS and Corvette are the only 2 American products that deserve the world quality status, I agree, but the rest aren't. And 2 quality products from such a HUGE company is pathetic at best.
You think UAW isn't only competitive, but superior? Prove it.
I doubt anyone is stupid enough to do so. There's gotta be something in the back end of the deal.
What a mess the UAW has created...
Correction: what a mess the UAW and management have created! :shades:
Why would I??? It won't do me any good to do so. Were they kindly and humbly admit that they're being incompetent fools and start improving it'd be a different story. I'm not gonna support anything that forces me to pay money to help them just because they're incompetent. I'm not gonna support UAW in any way, why? Because they're currently being paid on taxpayers $$$.
Plus, why should I spend my hard earned green on anything but the best I can get? Seriously.
Just because they deserve it. gagrice has articulated that it would take two weeks to train an illegal immigrant to do a UAW job.
Agreed? I would think so. rockylee will articulate that it would take 2 or 3 years to learn some of the skills his family members know how to do. Robots are probably doing those things now or preset calculations have already been pre-programmed in to the stamping machines to take care of the need for those skills.
Move it out of the nation, GM. Ford is already doing this in a limited way, think Taco Bell for 99 cents.
Whip me over that Steven Seagal flick would ya? Pop me some Orville Redenbacher's and take a cushy UAW/SPEEA seat on the couch. The tension is accelerating on up, dudes.
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