You are showing your lack of education. The Constitution is clear on the Federal Government's role. It is to defend US from outside invasion.
The consitution was written back in the stone age and many things have happened since it was written. While I agree it is a good guideline to follow gagrice, it has to change with time. I think our fathers would roll in there graves if they could see just how much we've been sleeping in the same bed with our enemy!!! Well that foreign invasion both economic and as in people has been happening for years now. Think 30-40 million illegal aliens and our "trade policy" that allows foreigners to dump on our market without consquences. Hell we let foreign country's buy up infrastructure and win government military contracts. Now our fathers of this land are spinning faster than the blades on a supercharger!!! :surprise:
Whether I agree with Star Wars is irrelevant. It was more Constitutional in scope than SS or Medicare. And Reagan did not steal the SS money and put it in the general fund. He may have added to the debt. It will not compare to the current administration. I am glad it was the young that put this President in Office. The young will have to pay the price. Better get used to rice and beans as your staple diet. The UAW is not going to help you out of this mess.
Us young people had no choice. You old folks have sucked this country dry. It's you old guys that had the entitlement attitude of borrow from us and spend. I need a tax break. Okay lets borrow from the future generation. Bush, left this country in shambles and now Barry, has to borrow money to clean up the mess. I don't have a lot of confidence it's going to work but I support him for trying. Bush, did nothing to fix it!!! He and Cheney, were too worried about keeping those gas prices high so that there oil buddies will invite them to those wild party's that makes Hefner's look rated G in comparison and will talk about how they fleeced the american public and sold them a bill of goods called WMD's.
The bottom line is this country will never have a chance at recovery without a strong middle class which includes union members like UAW workers!!!
There is something they can do about a door that does not fit properly and allows wind to blow in
Maybe that door doesn't fit properly because of the hinges??? You amaze me!!! The hinges on every GMT-800 truck stunk gagrice. It was a design flaw and I will admit the quality of those trucks could of been much better. Thank-god the GMT-900's 2007-Present is the best damn trucks ever made!!! They are bullet proof!!!! :shades:
It was the UAW joker assembling the driver's door that was asleep or drunk. It was the same breed of Indiana workers without the UAW attitude that built my Sequoia. The doors all fit wonderful. The SUV is quiet and comfortable. It would be a sad day if those Toyota workers in Indiana, that take pride in their work, were brought down to the UAW level.
You don't stop do you!!! :confuse: I'm sure imidazol97, could pull up plenty of problems for the Sequoia. My business mananger read in a dentist office a few years ago in a business magazine that spoke about GM, and claims that GM owns 35% of Honda. They also own 15% of Toyota, a claim that I spoke about a few years ago and he told me that is the truth. My business manager is a hard core right-winger and I disagree with him more often than I do politically. He said the ecotec 4 cylinder is a Honda design with GM technology. He also claims that Toyota's previous V8's were GM blocks. He said the 5.7 V8 that Toyota, makes is there first true V8 that they've designed themselves. I am skeptical of all of this but will give him the benefit of the doubt!!!
Maybe that door doesn't fit properly because of the hinges??? You amaze me!!! The hinges on every GMT-800 truck stunk gagrice.
How did the UAW guy on the passenger side get it right and the guy or gal assembling my door screw it up? Why did the UAW quality people let it out the door? They only built 300 of the 05 GMC Hybrid PU trucks. I would expect them to take a little more care in assembly than a work truck selling for $17k. This was near top of the line with Bose which I loved. And great dual climate control which was also great. Both systems better than the Sequoia.
The UAW needs to police their ranks. They need to help management get rid of dead weight slackers. Do you really think that will happen? If it does not and GM continues to put out shoddy vehicles along with a few good ones. They cannot survive.
GM has just recalled 276.000 vehicles in 11 models for some kind of adjustment. Was this a result of shoddy UAW workmanship? The recall says adjustment. That sounds like shoddy work practices to me.
How did the UAW guy on the passenger side get it right and the guy or gal assembling my door screw it up.
They didn't as I assume your passenger side rarely gets used thus it isn't been wore out yet. Keep it long enough and that puppy will sag also!!! My FIL's GMT-800 on both doors sag as both are used frequently!!!
Why did the UAW quality people let it out the door? They only built 300 of the 05 GMC Hybrid PU trucks.
The same hinges that went on the hybrid also went on the regular truck. Same truck except for the joke battery pack.
I would expect them to take a little more care in assembly than a work truck selling for $17k. This was near top of the line with Bose which I loved. And great dual climate control which was also great. Both systems better than the Sequoia.
gagrice, glad you like the truck except for the crappy door hinges pal. I am the biggest defender of GM, but even I will admit the engineering could of been better. The C/K series was better made IMHO than the GMT-800's. The GMT-900's are the best trucks on the planet!!! I am very proud to show customers our truck line-up because we make the best in the world!!!
The UAW needs to police their ranks. They need to help management get rid of dead weight slackers. Do you really think that will happen? If it does not and GM continues to put out shoddy vehicles along with a few good ones. They cannot survive.
You will always have slacklers no matter where you work but most of them have retired because you can't work at GM, today and be a slacker because you are worked like a hebrew slave!!! Go take a tour of the Lansing Delta Plant where my cousin works. He hates it because the work is so back breaking.
GM has just recalled 276.000 vehicles in 11 models for some kind of adjustment. Was this a result of shoddy UAW workmanship? The recall says adjustment. That sounds like shoddy work practices to me.
There you go again making an assumption without the facts!!! :sick:
The core of the problem for which the UAW gets the ridicule as the scapegoat is the legacy costs which the foreign brands that have been enticed to build and produce don't have to any degree, yet. They are attempting through parttime employees (40% at Georgetown IIRC) to avoid that also along with dumping people who suffer injuries so they don't become a payout on the system.
In this area many of the people who worked for Delphi used to work for GM but were slid over in an agreement as GM sold off AC Delco to Delphi ownership...
Thank-god the GMT-900's 2007-Present is the best damn trucks ever made!!! They are bullet proof!!!!
Just like the 07 Edmunds was doing a long term test on and the trans locked up and puked at low mileage.
Or the rattles in the Car and Driver comparo which they found very annoying. I test drove several a couple of 07 and 08 Yukon's and Yukon Denali and none of them seemed well put together. One had body molding trim that I could see was misaligned from across the parking lot and another had a rear passenger door molding that fell onto the asphalt as I opened the door. Plus they both had rattles through out the cabin as I drove down bumpy roads. It felt like my '00 Suburban, just prettier inside an out. Still had numb (but better) steering and an overly floating unrefined ride. I really wanted one as I love the way they look, but after driving several different units they didn't impress me at all.
They didn't as I assume your passenger side rarely gets used thus it isn't been wore out yet. Keep it long enough and that puppy will sag also!!! My FIL's GMT-800 on both doors sag as both are used frequently!!!
Rocky, I only owned that truck for 13k miles and sold it. The door did not fit from the factory. Unless they put in worn out hinges. You just cannot see the truth of the UAW worker mentality. It is one of being entitled to a job no matter how poor the work habits.
There you go again making an assumption without the facts!
So you tell us the facts. Are they replacing defective parts or adjusting what should have been done at the factory?
Ford and Chrysler aren't happy with GM's CAW recent deal. I thought I read that GM wasn't happy with Ford's recent deal with the UAW but I don't see a link off-hand.
Usually the union negotiates with the stronger automaker and the rest fall in line, but that pattern may change.
Yep!!! GM, spun off it parts plants and created a new company called Delphi Automotive Systems now otherwise known as Delphi Corporation.
History
1994: General Motors forms Automotive Components Group.
1995: ACG is renamed Delphi Automotive Systems.
1997: GM and Hughes Electronics Corporation spin-off of Hughes Defense electronics business and transfer Delco Electronics from Hughes to Delphi.
1999: Delphi Automotive Systems becomes fully independent publicly held corporation.
2001: 11,500 jobs were cut worldwide (Bischoff 1A).
2002: Delphi Automotive Systems is renamed Delphi Corporation reflecting its diversified business direction.
2004: Delphi is subpoenaed by the Securities & Exchange Commission (SEC) in July for irregular accounting practices and financial transactions.
2005: Delphi discloses irregular accounting practices. A number of executives, including CFO Alan Dawes, resign. Delphi Chairman J.T. Battenberg III retires. Delphi files for Chapter 11 bankruptcy protection to reorganize its struggling U.S. operations. As a result of this action, the Securities and Exchange Commission granted an application by the New York Stock Exchange to delist Delphi's common stock and bonds.The stock now trades over the counter on the Pink Sheets electronic exchange.
2005: Twenty-four plants closed down in the U.S.
2006: Delphi announced it would sell off or close 21 of its 29 plants in the United States. The eight plants it intends to keep are located in Brookhaven, Mississippi; Clinton, Mississippi; Grand Rapids, Michigan; Kokomo, Indiana; Lockport, New York; Rochester, New York; Warren, Ohio; and Vandalia, Ohio, though even these plants will endure wage cuts and suffer workforce reductions.
Where were they made???? Are you sure that the UAW, workers assembled them??? They could of easily came from Mexico, and I would never buy one made from Mexico, EVER!!!!!
I test drove several a couple of 07 and 08 Yukon's and Yukon Denali and none of them seemed well put together.
I did not want to pop Rocky's balloon. I test drove a 2007 GMC crew cab that was loaded. Leather, Bose etc. It was not as quiet as my noisy GMC Hybrid PU truck. I also considered the Denali. When they insulted me on the truck trade-in I bought from them, I sold it on my own, and bought the Sequoia. I was not an easy one to switch to Toyota after 5 GM trucks in a row. I don't think they have improved that much if at all over the last 11 years. I put 7 trouble free years on my Pre 1998 UAW Strike Suburban. They sold it as a 1999 Suburban to get around CAFE rules. I guess they were only allowed to sell a certain number of 1998 Suburbans.
My Suburban was built in Mexico. That explains the trouble free part. However the 1998 UAW strike must have held up Suburban parts as they were not available.
I don't know what the facts are but I'm not going to automatically assume it was the guy putting on the parts. You have a hard time believing that engineers don't screw up!!! They are trained to design the part as cheap as possible and make it work good enough. Obviously they didn't test long-term durability and thank-god they have gotten their act togeather. I like the quality of the new GMT-900 trucks and have not heard anyone gripe about quality issues or read any claims on edmunds or any other sites where the trucks "locked up" :confuse: I know a bunch of people that have told me that it's been the best quality truck they've ever own and love the ride, gas mileage, power, and fit and finish!!! :shades:
They could of easily came from Mexico, and I would never buy one made from Mexico, EVER!!!!!
Good point and I forgot about that issue. I can't say for sure other than the model that had the door seal fall out might have been, but I can't remember with 100% certainty. I didn't check all that country of origin with every model I drove. But the more I drove them the less I liked.
Don't know if that means much or not, but the 2000 Jetta I had was made in mexico and displayed exceptional build quality. (I don't want to start a VW debate, for all I know my Jetta may have been 1 out of 100,000 that was great).
So it was reliable because some Mexican made it??? Well I can tell you working at the dealership that we've rejected some of those HQ Mexican Made Trucks and SUV's because the guy doing the final quality inspection must of had one to many shots of Tequila, as the leather was scraped or the paint was chipped. I already told you about the cracked leather on my mother's 99' Tahoe Sport. Yeah I know Mexicans, are the hardest workers in the world, right???
I like the Jetta, but since they aren't made in Germany, anymore they are a joke!!! I will never buy a car from a 3rd world country. I basically refuse to sell an Aveo, and will risk losing a deal to switch them to a Cobalt!!! :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad:
The door fit sounds like it was because of variation in the shape and size, geometrically, of the door opening and the door itself. That goes to the fabrication of said parts. The doghouse I assume was welded together on site by robots and should have been caught if it were out of variation amounts. I suspect the door were shipped in from another plant?
Either way it's a small number of workers, UAW in this case, who weren't doing as needed. I suspect they were told by management to shove them on through rather than stop the line.
AFter inspection at the end of the line, the door fit might have been caught and should have been looked at, corrected, or junked. I can take pictures of some doghouses outside the Moraine plant still the other day that apparently didn't serve and haven't been scapped yet. They might have been on the line when it was closed down, but I suspect they were rejects.
Someone didn't do their job, however often employees are instructed to do so by management. But that doesn't mean all, not even 90% of UAW members, didn't do their job as well as they could do it.
It's time North American auto workers and their managers devote less time to complaining about low Mexican wages and spend more effort attempting to match high quality Mexican labor. A car plant in Ramos Arizpe, 200 miles south of the U.S. border in Mexico, maintains the highest production-quality standards in the entire empire of General Motors, fading, but still the world's largest car manufacturer.
How did this happen? Attitude. The new, young (average age 22) Mexican workers, are where North American auto workers were in the 1950s. Today's Mexican auto workers have those demanding jobs they wanted. The pay, US$3 per hour, by local contemporary standards is miraculous, worker self-esteem and public admiration is high. This makes them work their butts off. Production keeps climbing, defects continue to diminish and salaries keep going up. Today this happens in Mexico, not Oshawa, Windsor or Detroit.
".....Rocky, I only owned that truck for 13k miles and sold it. The door did not fit from the factory. Unless they put in worn out hinges. You just cannot see the truth of the UAW worker mentality. It is one of being entitled to a job no matter how poor the work habits."
With all due respect, Gary, shouldn't it have been fixable at the dealer if it was poor workmanship? Am I misunderstanding something? I would think that if the door didn't fit right, then a dealership body man should've been able to remove the door, realign the hinges (a shim or 2??), and replace it. And it should've been fine. Then I can accept a F&%&i%g UAW jerk or 2 . But it sounds as if it may have been something more than that.
BTW, my '04 Silverado Crew Cab has been in service for 5 years (owned by me for 3), and the doors all close solid as a rock. Can't say the same for a '00 bucket truck we have at work though.
Sags more than my..............oh.......HI Honey!!!!! :surprise: :surprise:
With all due respect, Gary, shouldn't it have been fixable at the dealer if it was poor workmanship? Am I misunderstanding something?
You'd think the dealer could fix it, but a friend of mine bought a new Saturn SC (couple). I don't remember the year, but it was the year Saturn first used that goofy suicide type door for rear seat access. It severely leaked air and water from day one. She took it back 3-4 times and it was never fixed correctly. She ended up turning back in for a new model under Saturn's 1500mile (or whatever it exactly was) return policy.
My SIL also returned a '95 or so Saturn SC-1 under the return policy when the dealer tried 3 times to fix a trans leak during the 1st month of ownership. It kept leaking and she returned it. Then she totaled the replacement car 3 weeks later, probably the best thing that could happened to those POS's
".....Are UAW workers paying attention. Your jobs are in jeopardy. There are people that can do a better job for 1/10th the cost."
Wait. Is $3/hr, .....in terms of standard of living now,..... more or less than what US auto assemblers are paid. That can be a big difference. If Mexican auto workers are paid at a rate 5 times the average wage in Mexico (argumentative figure, NOT actual) and here it's 3 times, then the Mexican worker would presumably be making MORE than their UAW counterpart (boy I wish I could surf the net for these figures :sick: ) Too bad I'm not 20.
There is NO excuse for that to happen. That is the same 4 speed they have used for decades if I am not mistaken. My favorite PU of all time was the one I hit the deer with. It was a 1993 Chevy 3/4 ton 4X4 extended cab. Great truck and no one was hurt when a big buck put it out of commission in Idaho.
I like the good old days also Rocky. When GM built TOUGH trucks. Not the foo foo ones today with wimpy crumple zones and plastic bumpers. No substitute for a HEAVY CHROME BUMPER.
How many new GM cars and Trucks, are those super human Mexican's you adore buying from GM, on that $3 bucks an/hr??? Hell since they are such a superior people they should be able to solve all of the worlds problems including there own, right??? Why do so many of them keeping coming over here if life is so great in Mexico???? :confuse:
That is the same 4 speed they have used for decades if I am not mistaken
Pretty much. Basically the same trans that died in my Suburban around 46k miles. The independent trans mechanic that rebuilt mine told me GM had been making them lighter and lighter components causing them to easily sustain damage from getting to hot. Sun shell gears cracking and the front pump were supposed weak points during the '99-00 updates.
That is GM's old 4-speed automatic right??? It probably was too much power for that unit. I was rough on my 4-speed automatic and burned it up because I did burn-outs lol!!!! The six-speed they have now is a superior unit!!!
Wait. Is $3/hr, .....in terms of standard of living now,..... more or less than what US auto assemblers are paid.
That is a good question. I know the government requires the employers to pay health care. Which of course is a small fraction of the US cost. The fellow that works for me once in a while lives in TJ. His wife works for Sony and gets $200 per week working 6 days 8 hours per day. So that is over $4 per hour. And that covers the family for health care. I pay him $100 per day when he works for me and he never works more than 8 hours including the time spent for lunch. Actual work I would say costs me about $14 per hour. He is a good worker. So much better than the nephews I have hired. They have to have UAW DNA. They want to take a break about every hour.
I'd hope so. I can only add the 6speed in my Expedition is great. Far better than the 4 speed in my old suburban. Much better gear ratio's, much smoother, and quick to down shift. I imagine the performance of the GM 1/2 ton's with the new 6 speed will be much better in terms of performance. We'll have to see if they hold up better.
Gary, shouldn't it have been fixable at the dealer if it was poor workmanship?
It was into the dealer twice and both times they tried and claimed it was just a poor design. Which might be the case. It is those stupid suicide doors on the extended cab. That does not excuse the fact that the passenger door fit nice and tight with no air leak the the drivers did not. Then that dealership was in the process of being sold to a new owner. We have a friend that house sits when we are on vacation that has had her Grand Am into that same Greiner GMC/Bick/Pontiac dealer for a month, trying to find a mystery coolant leak. Meanwhile she is paying rent on an Aveo. I thought it was a loaner. So just another car dealer scam. Can't blame that on the UAW.
You probably work them like hebrew slaves and have your bull whip readily available to crack em' with
You are a funny guy. My neighbor who has given him work for over 7 years says I am spoiling him. I take him out to lunch and sometimes breakfast. If we are done with whatever project I send him home early to miss the horrible traffic. I don't think he would be a good witness for your case. If he ever shows signs of UAW entitlement he is history.
Name me something better than a Chevy or GMC, truck?
Well, reading the mags would indicate Dodge and Ford. But IMO, each truck has their strengths that depending on what you want from the truck would determine which is best.
I don't like the Toyota at all outside of it's outstanding drivetrain that provides GM6.2 performance and nearly 5.3 fuel economy. The Titan was was very competitive in '04 but is old now. So IMO, I'd stick with the domestics for a fullsize truck.
If I were buying a new P/U it would be a tough choice. I'd probably pick the Ford because it can be had with the most towing capacity and has the best steering feel of them all. The 5.4/6speed has more torque at lower rpm and better gear ratios for towing than the 5.3/6speed combo. If I was going to spend the money required to get the trim level needed for the 6.2, I'd just go diesel in a 3/4 ton. Going that route, I'd go dodge or Chevy, don't know if I trust the new PowerStroke or not.
See, the sad thing about that is, while it can be pinpointed on a UAW worker installing the door, if they pointed it out to their supervisor and the super said let it go, then it is poor management.
As to you paying the Mexican worker $100/day that must be gold to him, wheras your nephews just don't see the same value in that. It is understandable, however, as our standard of living is much better than the Mexican.
I will say, if you were my uncle, I'd be busting my [non-permissible content removed] for you occasionally not because you pay me, but because you are my uncle. But, that's just my philosophy. Family and friends help one another so that everyone makes it to the end as happy as can be.
gagrice, it's your nephew for gosh sakes!!! I'm sure he probably does a good job because he knows if he didn't his uncle Gary, would let everyone in the family know about his lazy nephew thus all you see out of him is A & E!!!! :P
I like the new Ford and Dodges also but from a fit and finish stand point they don't match up to the GMC and Chevy Truck Line-up IMHO!!!!
-Rocky
P.S. If I stay in automobile sales (Kinda been slow for a saturday) and is why I'm on and some of the things I need to be prospecting aren't going to happen until next week. Well anyways what I'm getting at is I hope our owner can and will acquire Buick, GMC, Cadillac!!!!
My wife's nephews. They are just lazy. They think they are going to strike it rich designing websites. I had 4 young men in our church that were excellent workers and I paid them very well. The oldest twins went into the Coast Guard & Border Patrol and the young ones are busy with college and doing construction when not in school. Hard workers have no trouble finding a job even in a down market here.
I'm sure if they work half as hard as they do for a slave driver like you ( :P ) and come close to meeting your expectations well they might strike it rich in website designing!!!!
Comments
The consitution was written back in the stone age and many things have happened since it was written. While I agree it is a good guideline to follow gagrice, it has to change with time. I think our fathers would roll in there graves if they could see just how much we've been sleeping in the same bed with our enemy!!! Well that foreign invasion both economic and as in people has been happening for years now. Think 30-40 million illegal aliens and our "trade policy" that allows foreigners to dump on our market without consquences. Hell we let foreign country's buy up infrastructure and win government military contracts. Now our fathers of this land are spinning faster than the blades on a supercharger!!! :surprise:
Whether I agree with Star Wars is irrelevant. It was more Constitutional in scope than SS or Medicare. And Reagan did not steal the SS money and put it in the general fund. He may have added to the debt. It will not compare to the current administration. I am glad it was the young that put this President in Office. The young will have to pay the price. Better get used to rice and beans as your staple diet. The UAW is not going to help you out of this mess.
Us young people had no choice. You old folks have sucked this country dry. It's you old guys that had the entitlement attitude of borrow from us and spend. I need a tax break. Okay lets borrow from the future generation. Bush, left this country in shambles and now Barry, has to borrow money to clean up the mess. I don't have a lot of confidence it's going to work but I support him for trying. Bush, did nothing to fix it!!! He and Cheney, were too worried about keeping those gas prices high so that there oil buddies will invite them to those wild party's that makes Hefner's look rated G in comparison and will talk about how they fleeced the american public and sold them a bill of goods called WMD's.
The bottom line is this country will never have a chance at recovery without a strong middle class which includes union members like UAW workers!!!
-Rocky
Like Chicago. :shades:
UAW news? Or even CAW?
Maybe that door doesn't fit properly because of the hinges??? You amaze me!!! The hinges on every GMT-800 truck stunk gagrice. It was a design flaw and I will admit the quality of those trucks could of been much better. Thank-god the GMT-900's 2007-Present is the best damn trucks ever made!!! They are bullet proof!!!! :shades:
It was the UAW joker assembling the driver's door that was asleep or drunk. It was the same breed of Indiana workers without the UAW attitude that built my Sequoia. The doors all fit wonderful. The SUV is quiet and comfortable. It would be a sad day if those Toyota workers in Indiana, that take pride in their work, were brought down to the UAW level.
You don't stop do you!!! :confuse: I'm sure imidazol97, could pull up plenty of problems for the Sequoia. My business mananger read in a dentist office a few years ago in a business magazine that spoke about GM, and claims that GM owns 35% of Honda. They also own 15% of Toyota, a claim that I spoke about a few years ago and he told me that is the truth. My business manager is a hard core right-winger and I disagree with him more often than I do politically. He said the ecotec 4 cylinder is a Honda design with GM technology. He also claims that Toyota's previous V8's were GM blocks. He said the 5.7 V8 that Toyota, makes is there first true V8 that they've designed themselves. I am skeptical of all of this but will give him the benefit of the doubt!!!
-Rocky
-Rocky
How did the UAW guy on the passenger side get it right and the guy or gal assembling my door screw it up? Why did the UAW quality people let it out the door? They only built 300 of the 05 GMC Hybrid PU trucks. I would expect them to take a little more care in assembly than a work truck selling for $17k. This was near top of the line with Bose which I loved. And great dual climate control which was also great. Both systems better than the Sequoia.
The UAW needs to police their ranks. They need to help management get rid of dead weight slackers. Do you really think that will happen? If it does not and GM continues to put out shoddy vehicles along with a few good ones. They cannot survive.
GM has just recalled 276.000 vehicles in 11 models for some kind of adjustment. Was this a result of shoddy UAW workmanship? The recall says adjustment. That sounds like shoddy work practices to me.
They didn't as I assume your passenger side rarely gets used thus it isn't been wore out yet. Keep it long enough and that puppy will sag also!!! My FIL's GMT-800 on both doors sag as both are used frequently!!!
Why did the UAW quality people let it out the door? They only built 300 of the 05 GMC Hybrid PU trucks.
The same hinges that went on the hybrid also went on the regular truck. Same truck except for the joke battery pack.
I would expect them to take a little more care in assembly than a work truck selling for $17k. This was near top of the line with Bose which I loved. And great dual climate control which was also great. Both systems better than the Sequoia.
gagrice, glad you like the truck except for the crappy door hinges pal. I am the biggest defender of GM, but even I will admit the engineering could of been better. The C/K series was better made IMHO than the GMT-800's. The GMT-900's are the best trucks on the planet!!! I am very proud to show customers our truck line-up because we make the best in the world!!!
The UAW needs to police their ranks. They need to help management get rid of dead weight slackers. Do you really think that will happen? If it does not and GM continues to put out shoddy vehicles along with a few good ones. They cannot survive.
You will always have slacklers no matter where you work but most of them have retired because you can't work at GM, today and be a slacker because you are worked like a hebrew slave!!! Go take a tour of the Lansing Delta Plant where my cousin works. He hates it because the work is so back breaking.
GM has just recalled 276.000 vehicles in 11 models for some kind of adjustment. Was this a result of shoddy UAW workmanship? The recall says adjustment. That sounds like shoddy work practices to me.
There you go again making an assumption without the facts!!! :sick:
-Rocky
The core of the problem for which the UAW gets the ridicule as the scapegoat is the legacy costs which the foreign brands that have been enticed to build and produce don't have to any degree, yet. They are attempting through parttime employees (40% at Georgetown IIRC) to avoid that also along with dumping people who suffer injuries so they don't become a payout on the system.
In this area many of the people who worked for Delphi used to work for GM but were slid over in an agreement as GM sold off AC Delco to Delphi ownership...
2014 Malibu 2LT, 2015 Cruze 2LT,
-Rocky
-Rocky
Just like the 07 Edmunds was doing a long term test on and the trans locked up and puked at low mileage.
Or the rattles in the Car and Driver comparo which they found very annoying. I test drove several a couple of 07 and 08 Yukon's and Yukon Denali and none of them seemed well put together. One had body molding trim that I could see was misaligned from across the parking lot and another had a rear passenger door molding that fell onto the asphalt as I opened the door. Plus they both had rattles through out the cabin as I drove down bumpy roads. It felt like my '00 Suburban, just prettier inside an out. Still had numb (but better) steering and an overly floating unrefined ride. I really wanted one as I love the way they look, but after driving several different units they didn't impress me at all.
Rocky, I only owned that truck for 13k miles and sold it. The door did not fit from the factory. Unless they put in worn out hinges. You just cannot see the truth of the UAW worker mentality. It is one of being entitled to a job no matter how poor the work habits.
There you go again making an assumption without the facts!
So you tell us the facts. Are they replacing defective parts or adjusting what should have been done at the factory?
Usually the union negotiates with the stronger automaker and the rest fall in line, but that pattern may change.
History
1994: General Motors forms Automotive Components Group.
1995: ACG is renamed Delphi Automotive Systems.
1997: GM and Hughes Electronics Corporation spin-off of Hughes Defense electronics business and transfer Delco Electronics from Hughes to Delphi.
1999: Delphi Automotive Systems becomes fully independent publicly held corporation.
2001: 11,500 jobs were cut worldwide (Bischoff 1A).
2002: Delphi Automotive Systems is renamed Delphi Corporation reflecting its diversified business direction.
2004: Delphi is subpoenaed by the Securities & Exchange Commission (SEC) in July for irregular accounting practices and financial transactions.
2005: Delphi discloses irregular accounting practices. A number of executives, including CFO Alan Dawes, resign. Delphi Chairman J.T. Battenberg III retires. Delphi files for Chapter 11 bankruptcy protection to reorganize its struggling U.S. operations. As a result of this action, the Securities and Exchange Commission granted an application by the New York Stock Exchange to delist Delphi's common stock and bonds.The stock now trades over the counter on the Pink Sheets electronic exchange.
2005: Twenty-four plants closed down in the U.S.
2006: Delphi announced it would sell off or close 21 of its 29 plants in the United States. The eight plants it intends to keep are located in Brookhaven, Mississippi; Clinton, Mississippi; Grand Rapids, Michigan; Kokomo, Indiana; Lockport, New York; Rochester, New York; Warren, Ohio; and Vandalia, Ohio, though even these plants will endure wage cuts and suffer workforce reductions.
-Rocky
-Rocky
I did not want to pop Rocky's balloon. I test drove a 2007 GMC crew cab that was loaded. Leather, Bose etc. It was not as quiet as my noisy GMC Hybrid PU truck. I also considered the Denali. When they insulted me on the truck trade-in I bought from them, I sold it on my own, and bought the Sequoia. I was not an easy one to switch to Toyota after 5 GM trucks in a row. I don't think they have improved that much if at all over the last 11 years. I put 7 trouble free years on my Pre 1998 UAW Strike Suburban. They sold it as a 1999 Suburban to get around CAFE rules. I guess they were only allowed to sell a certain number of 1998 Suburbans.
-Rocky
Good point and I forgot about that issue. I can't say for sure other than the model that had the door seal fall out might have been, but I can't remember with 100% certainty. I didn't check all that country of origin with every model I drove. But the more I drove them the less I liked.
Don't know if that means much or not, but the 2000 Jetta I had was made in mexico and displayed exceptional build quality. (I don't want to start a VW debate, for all I know my Jetta may have been 1 out of 100,000 that was great).
-Rocky
-Rocky
Either way it's a small number of workers, UAW in this case, who weren't doing as needed. I suspect they were told by management to shove them on through rather than stop the line.
AFter inspection at the end of the line, the door fit might have been caught and should have been looked at, corrected, or junked. I can take pictures of some doghouses outside the Moraine plant still the other day that apparently didn't serve and haven't been scapped yet. They might have been on the line when it was closed down, but I suspect they were rejects.
Someone didn't do their job, however often employees are instructed to do so by management. But that doesn't mean all, not even 90% of UAW members, didn't do their job as well as they could do it.
2014 Malibu 2LT, 2015 Cruze 2LT,
It's time North American auto workers and their managers devote less time to complaining about low Mexican wages and spend more effort attempting to match high quality Mexican labor. A car plant in Ramos Arizpe, 200 miles south of the U.S. border in Mexico, maintains the highest production-quality standards in the entire empire of General Motors, fading, but still the world's largest car manufacturer.
How did this happen? Attitude. The new, young (average age 22) Mexican workers, are where North American auto workers were in the 1950s. Today's Mexican auto workers have those demanding jobs they wanted. The pay, US$3 per hour, by local contemporary standards is miraculous, worker self-esteem and public admiration is high. This makes them work their butts off. Production keeps climbing, defects continue to diminish and salaries keep going up. Today this happens in Mexico, not Oshawa, Windsor or Detroit.
Mexico TOPS for GM
Are UAW workers paying attention. Your jobs are in jeopardy. There are people that can do a better job for 1/10th the cost.
This is from edmunds long term test
So if someone is shopping for a Suburban, do you tell them these are the best SUVs on the road exept for the Mexican built models?
Regards,
OW
Based on my ownership experience are pretty much junk. Overall I'd say they are average at best.
With all due respect, Gary, shouldn't it have been fixable at the dealer if it was poor workmanship? Am I misunderstanding something? I would think that if the door didn't fit right, then a dealership body man should've been able to remove the door, realign the hinges (a shim or 2??), and replace it. And it should've been fine. Then I can accept a F&%&i%g UAW jerk or 2
BTW, my '04 Silverado Crew Cab has been in service for 5 years (owned by me for 3), and the doors all close solid as a rock. Can't say the same for a '00 bucket truck we have at work though.
Sags more than my..............oh.......HI Honey!!!!! :surprise: :surprise:
You'd think the dealer could fix it, but a friend of mine bought a new Saturn SC (couple). I don't remember the year, but it was the year Saturn first used that goofy suicide type door for rear seat access. It severely leaked air and water from day one. She took it back 3-4 times and it was never fixed correctly. She ended up turning back in for a new model under Saturn's 1500mile (or whatever it exactly was) return policy.
My SIL also returned a '95 or so Saturn SC-1 under the return policy when the dealer tried 3 times to fix a trans leak during the 1st month of ownership. It kept leaking and she returned it. Then she totaled the replacement car 3 weeks later, probably the best thing that could happened to those POS's
Wait. Is $3/hr, .....in terms of standard of living now,..... more or less than what US auto assemblers are paid. That can be a big difference. If Mexican auto workers are paid at a rate 5 times the average wage in Mexico (argumentative figure, NOT actual) and here it's 3 times, then the Mexican worker would presumably be making MORE than their UAW counterpart (boy I wish I could surf the net for these figures :sick: ) Too bad I'm not 20.
I like the good old days also Rocky. When GM built TOUGH trucks. Not the foo foo ones today with wimpy crumple zones and plastic bumpers. No substitute for a HEAVY CHROME BUMPER.
-Rocky
Pretty much. Basically the same trans that died in my Suburban around 46k miles. The independent trans mechanic that rebuilt mine told me GM had been making them lighter and lighter components causing them to easily sustain damage from getting to hot. Sun shell gears cracking and the front pump were supposed weak points during the '99-00 updates.
-Rocky
-Rocky
That is a good question. I know the government requires the employers to pay health care. Which of course is a small fraction of the US cost. The fellow that works for me once in a while lives in TJ. His wife works for Sony and gets $200 per week working 6 days 8 hours per day. So that is over $4 per hour. And that covers the family for health care. I pay him $100 per day when he works for me and he never works more than 8 hours including the time spent for lunch. Actual work I would say costs me about $14 per hour. He is a good worker. So much better than the nephews I have hired. They have to have UAW DNA. They want to take a break about every hour.
-Rocky
-Rocky
-Rocky
It was into the dealer twice and both times they tried and claimed it was just a poor design. Which might be the case. It is those stupid suicide doors on the extended cab. That does not excuse the fact that the passenger door fit nice and tight with no air leak the the drivers did not. Then that dealership was in the process of being sold to a new owner. We have a friend that house sits when we are on vacation that has had her Grand Am into that same Greiner GMC/Bick/Pontiac dealer for a month, trying to find a mystery coolant leak. Meanwhile she is paying rent on an Aveo. I thought it was a loaner. So just another car dealer scam. Can't blame that on the UAW.
You are a funny guy. My neighbor who has given him work for over 7 years says I am spoiling him. I take him out to lunch and sometimes breakfast. If we are done with whatever project I send him home early to miss the horrible traffic. I don't think he would be a good witness for your case. If he ever shows signs of UAW entitlement he is history.
Well, reading the mags would indicate Dodge and Ford. But IMO, each truck has their strengths that depending on what you want from the truck would determine which is best.
I don't like the Toyota at all outside of it's outstanding drivetrain that provides GM6.2 performance and nearly 5.3 fuel economy. The Titan was was very competitive in '04 but is old now. So IMO, I'd stick with the domestics for a fullsize truck.
If I were buying a new P/U it would be a tough choice. I'd probably pick the Ford because it can be had with the most towing capacity and has the best steering feel of them all. The 5.4/6speed has more torque at lower rpm and better gear ratios for towing than the 5.3/6speed combo. If I was going to spend the money required to get the trim level needed for the 6.2, I'd just go diesel in a 3/4 ton. Going that route, I'd go dodge or Chevy, don't know if I trust the new PowerStroke or not.
As to you paying the Mexican worker $100/day that must be gold to him, wheras your nephews just don't see the same value in that. It is understandable, however, as our standard of living is much better than the Mexican.
I will say, if you were my uncle, I'd be busting my [non-permissible content removed] for you occasionally not because you pay me, but because you are my uncle. But, that's just my philosophy. Family and friends help one another so that everyone makes it to the end as happy as can be.
-Rocky
-Rocky
-Rocky
-Rocky
P.S. If I stay in automobile sales (Kinda been slow for a saturday) and is why I'm on and some of the things I need to be prospecting aren't going to happen until next week. Well anyways what I'm getting at is I hope our owner can and will acquire Buick, GMC, Cadillac!!!!
My wife's nephews. They are just lazy. They think they are going to strike it rich designing websites. I had 4 young men in our church that were excellent workers and I paid them very well. The oldest twins went into the Coast Guard & Border Patrol and the young ones are busy with college and doing construction when not in school. Hard workers have no trouble finding a job even in a down market here.
-Rocky