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  • dbostondriverdbostondriver Member Posts: 559
    Where did you pull that fact? CTS is no where on Blue Book's latest list. http://www.cars.com/go/advice/Story.jsp?section=buy&subject=best_resale&story=cl- assResidual
    Also in price and size the CTS is closer to the 3Series. I think sales figures back up that the CTS is not that loved.
  • dieselonedieselone Member Posts: 5,729
    I am not a expert shot but I'm a lot better than your average bear and can make head shots from 50 years away.

    Dang, you must be a "highlander". "There can only be one". I guess that takes the phrase "you can run but not hide" to a whole different level;) LOL.

    Just kidding. I can't hit jack with a pistol from 50 yards. I don't shoot much though, while my opinion means nothing in regards to firearms, I'd say head shots from 50 yards is impressive.
  • dieselonedieselone Member Posts: 5,729
    If Bill Gates gets his way and gets this congress to pass a law allowing more H-1 Visa's that will be the skilled labor this country needs to do those jobs for half the cost.

    I really don't know much about the H-1 Visa's but for a while my wife was hiring pharmacists through H-1s (about 3 years ago when there was a severe pharmacist shortage) and I know they paid them the same as any other pharmacist. She stopped hiring via the H-1's because according to her the paperwork was a nightmare and it wasn't worth it. In the end it was costing her more money and time to go the H-1 route. Plus with state education and licensing requirements it mas a major PITA.
  • rockyleerockylee Member Posts: 14,017
    I lived in the south (Texas) for 5 years and if I have to struggle for 5 or 10 years for things to improve well that is what I'll do. I refuse to give up living here or near home for a better job only to be miserable and lonely. I am not willing to leave the midwest ever again. If I move out of Michigan, it will only be for another Midwestern state. The only other state I would consider that isn't a Midwestern state would be Florida, but the job market there is terrible according to family and friends.

    I yes have complained about the job market here in Michigan. I have good reason to be sad about it. It was only a dozen years ago this state was booming and expanding. I think if we could ever elect someone that wasn't a globalist this country could be saved. If the Big 3 go under just remember you heard it from me that this country will be doomed. Hospitals, will go belly up because there will be millions of uninsured people using them and those doctors and nurses will flood to the south and the wage you might make today well won't be what you make tomorrow. Everyones standard of living will go down. Will you be able to make your mortgage and car payments if you lose 25-50% of your income??? The competition for each job in the south will be very stiff. Think I'm kidding??? Just say I told you so!!!! ;););););)

    -Rocky
  • rockyleerockylee Member Posts: 14,017
    dbostondriver, you will be crying the same tune of "That Indian took my jerb" thus keep your arrogance up. Karma, will bite you in the [non-permissible content removed]!!!! ;)

    Rocky, define skilled labor. Is something that you can be trained to do in an hour skilled labor? Or is something you study and work as an apprentice to learn skilled labor?

    It can be both scenario's. My dad learned how to operate screw machines on the job. Sure it required a certain degree of mechanical aptitude. He was considered skilled labor as was his job as a job setter which he also learned on the job. Not some floorsweeper off the street could come in and do either of those jobs like you like claim.

    Immigration creates crime and thus more tax dollars will be needed for police and corrections officers also. All they are is criminals and when they breed they have more criminals. 35% of our prision population is made up of illegal aliens. I guess I'm not suprised you are pro-amnesty also!!!! :confuse: :sick:

    -Rocky
  • dieselonedieselone Member Posts: 5,729
    Immigration creates crime and thus more tax dollars will be needed for police and corrections officers also.

    I'd add illegal immigration creates crime. I know several people who've immigrated to the US and are law abiding productive citizens. No, I'm not for amnesty. I'm also very pissed that my state (IL) is one of several which allows illegals to attend our state universities at in-state subsidized tuition rates.
  • rockyleerockylee Member Posts: 14,017
    Well I'm sorry I offended you but I respectfully disagree with your facts. Lou Dobbs, has posted the real data of reality. H-1B workers steal american jobs because american employers don't want to invest in it's workforce because it costs money. This country once invested in people. People like Gates would rather import people from India who have free education in there homeland to come over here to work for 25-50% of the cost which includes tax loop holes for hiring such a worker.

    -Rocky

    P.S. Why didn't you put your education to good use at home???
  • rockyleerockylee Member Posts: 14,017
    You are crazy. Go look at the size of the CTS vs BMW 3 and 5 series again and get back to me!!! :confuse: Ask anyone with some sense in here and they will tell you the CTS is more of a 5 series competitor. Ask our ELLPS expert circlew!!!! :confuse:

    The CTS has the highest KBB book value. Can someone else since I offer this guy no credibility confirm that Cadillac, had the highest KBB resale value. They advertise it on there commercials as a bragging point!!! ;)

    -Rocky
  • lemkolemko Member Posts: 15,261
    Watch the movie "Adventureland" to see what happens to those who picked the wrong college major. I guess when you pursue the wrong college major, all you got was a four-year vacation from reality.
  • lemkolemko Member Posts: 15,261
    "By all means, go to where the jobs are"

    I guess that means we'll all soon be migrating to China, India, and other points east?
  • rockyleerockylee Member Posts: 14,017
    It's not that impressive compared to what my coworkers could do. I had coworkers who could stand at the 25 yard line and shoot 5 small balloons in under 3 seconds. I had another coworker who could shoot a dime taped on the head over and over again from 50 years away. I would say my shooting skills were below average at Pantex, when it came to shooting with the Glock. Now put me behind a SAW 249 I was arguably the best on the protective force. :blush:

    -Rocky
  • rockyleerockylee Member Posts: 14,017
    Well it looks like Barry and the republicans and democrats are working on legislation to expand it. Lemko and I want to sharpen that guillotine!!! :mad: :cry: :sick:

    -Rocky
  • rockyleerockylee Member Posts: 14,017
    I'm sick to my stomach with all the treason that is allowed to go on during these tough economic times dieselone. :sick:

    -Rocky
  • chikoochikoo Member Posts: 3,008
    >I lived in the south (Texas) for 5 years and if I have to struggle for 5 or 10 years for things to improve well that is what I'll do.

    All I can say is that if you cannot make (or find) friends in 5 years of living at a place, there is something inherently wrong with you.

    >I refuse to give up living here or near home for a better job only to be miserable and lonely. I am not willing to leave the midwest ever again.

    Your choice. You are welcome to do that. But don't cry that you don't have a job. I don't even want to know if you have one or not anymore. You do not have my sympathies, and you will never hear from me that "Hang on Rocky". That is unless you make a common sense effort to get a job, and that includes moving to other regions of this country. Maybe even overseas.
  • rockyleerockylee Member Posts: 14,017
    I guess that means we'll all soon be migrating to China, India, and other points east?

    Exactly!!! :sick:

    My mom said today that if my step-dad loses his Millwright job at Delphi, that they might be moving to Mexico, because that is where some of our jobs are at. :cry:

    -Rocky
  • chikoochikoo Member Posts: 3,008
    >I guess that means we'll all soon be migrating to China, India, and other points east?

    And why not? Millions migrated to the USA because there were jobs here.
    Like I said earlier, maybe it is time to export labor, not import.
  • dino001dino001 Member Posts: 6,191
    I stayed here because my country doesn't value my education same way this one does - which again, proves the point about pay.

    You didn't offend me per say. I just can't stand broadcasting urban legends as gospel revelations - and you can put your 25-50% of pay in that department.

    I don't care what Lou Dobbs says. I care what I see and receive and it was a full pay and benefits. The lawyers were also cristal clear about that when drawing the visa papers. Believe what you want if it makes you feel better, but I know the truth because I experienced it.

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  • dieselonedieselone Member Posts: 5,729
    You are crazy. Go look at the size of the CTS vs BMW 3 and 5 series again and get back to me!!! :confuse: Ask anyone with some sense in here and they will tell you the CTS is more of a 5 series competitor. Ask our ELLPS expert circlew!!!! :confuse:

    The CTS has the highest KBB book value. Can someone else since I offer this guy no credibility confirm that Cadillac, had the highest KBB resale value. They advertise it on there commercials as a bragging point!!! ;)


    I got your back Rock. While I've sat in the back of a CTS and it's far from what I'd consider roomy, the car is definitely bigger than a 3 series and probably very close to a 5 series.

    cts: L= 191.6" w= 72.5 wb 113.4
    3 : L= 178.2 w= 71.5 wb 108.7

    I can't confirm the data, but I've seen a few reports that the CTS had the highest resale value and it's definitely been included in CTS adds.
  • dieselonedieselone Member Posts: 5,729
    I don't care what Lou Dobbs says.

    I'll second that. While I like Lou, some of his reporting has been suspect when it's been on a topic I have first hand experience with. Which makes me question how accurate any of his reporting is. That pretty much goes for any personality on TV. Most of them are clueless, making headlines for ratings.
  • chikoochikoo Member Posts: 3,008
    >I care what I see and receive and it was a full pay and benefits.

    I was getting 30% more than other US citizens working in the same department in a similar role.
    That said, not every immigrant is as lucky. Quite a few get the bottom dollar too for the fear of bieng deported.
  • rockyleerockylee Member Posts: 14,017
    All I can say is that if you cannot make (or find) friends in 5 years of living at a place, there is something inherently wrong with you.

    Had lots of friends many whom I still stay in contact with but it's not remotely close to the same as family. If you can't comprehend that well I'm sorry. Blood is thicker than water. ;)

    Your choice. You are welcome to do that. But don't cry that you don't have a job. I don't even want to know if you have one or not anymore. You do not have my sympathies, and you will never hear from me that "Hang on Rocky". That is unless you make a common sense effort to get a job, and that includes moving to other regions of this country. Maybe even overseas.

    I don't want your sympathy and I never asked for it. I was using my personal examples as references to just how bad the economy is. Just because I don't want to move to Timbuktu, doesn't mean I don't have a right to complain about what is happening to not only my state but my country as well. We have lost something like 5 million jobs thus far and it looks like GM & Chrysler could be filing for bankruptcy meaning millions more could be out in the job market as well. :sick:

    So I am not hear for any sympathy. I do appreciate the support I get from some in the "edmunds family" as iluv likes to call us. ;)

    -Rocky
  • lemkolemko Member Posts: 15,261
    Ronald Reagan was no friend of the working man. When George Pullman of rail car fame died, he was so hated he had to be buried in a grave filled with concrete and interwoven railroad ties for fear somebody would disinter his body and desecrate it.
  • rockyleerockylee Member Posts: 14,017
    Thanks!!! ;)

    -Rocky
  • rockyleerockylee Member Posts: 14,017
    His data was from the U.S. Dept. of Labor if I recall correctly when he was ranting about that topic H-1B Visa's. ;)

    -Rocky
  • rockyleerockylee Member Posts: 14,017
    I'm just going off of the averages reported on Dobbs. Is there exceptions I'm sure there is. :)

    -Rocky
  • lemkolemko Member Posts: 15,261
    Funny how Bill and Melinda Gates are so concerned about poverty abroad that they ignore it at home. Hey, Bill! Charity starts at home. Work on eliminating the poverty in your own back yard before worrying about it overseas. I would personally welcome Mr. Gates antipoverty foundation working in places like North Philly, Camden, Trenton, and Chester.
  • rockyleerockylee Member Posts: 14,017
    Ronnie, was loved until he died. The only people who really hated him were the union workers in manufacturing because they new from that day forward that Ronnie, just expanded the largest out sourcing bill in America by giving corporations a tax break "Thank-You Gift" for going oversea's. :mad: He even set up programs to teach CEO's how to do it. May his soul rot in hell!!! :mad:

    -Rocky
  • rockyleerockylee Member Posts: 14,017
    He (Gates) is just like the celebrities here that adopt kids from foreign lands when we have poor kids here at home without anyone to love them. Instead of going oversea's why don't they lobby like they do with pollution, animal rights, etc, to make it easier to adopt kids here??? that would make sense, right??? :cry:

    -Rocky

    P.S. The UAW negotiated adoption assistance and many coworkers of my dad have adopted U.S. Children again doing a social good.

    P.S.S. Will be on later. Got to go apply for a job!!! ;)
  • chikoochikoo Member Posts: 3,008
    >Had lots of friends many whom I still stay in contact with but it's not remotely close to the same as family. If you can't comprehend that well I'm sorry. Blood is thicker than water.

    Of couse I can comprehend that. But reality is that nobody moves away from family by choice. You are living in the metro age. Everybody moves around to earn his/her future. Before you know it, your family will also move away from that area in search of work. What then? I guess you will move with them. But where? Some could move to TN, others to CA, and some to TX. Where will you go then?
  • lemkolemko Member Posts: 15,261
    I didn't love him. He was a doddering, old, prune-faced, ex-B-movie actor has-been, enemy of the working man, clueless, geriatric, senile, puppet-of-the-Bushes fool. I sat back in my recliner and smoked a Macanudo Portofino and sipped some Courvoisier XO cognac watching his funeral procession on my Zenith color console with a wicked smile on my face.

    Hope he's in the same place as such dignitaries as Hitler, Stalin, Idi Amin, Saddam Hussein, Pol Pot, and Roger Smith.
  • gagricegagrice Member Posts: 31,450
    Well GM, I can guarantee you wasn't paying 100% of his nursing school costs which was my point.

    Sometimes your logic escapes me. They were getting a full fat paycheck. The least they could do is pay their own tuition. Millions of students would love to go to college while receiving $30 per hour for not working. So you think sitting in a rubber room collecting the money is smarter than taking that golden opportunity to better yourself. I am finding it difficult to find any redeeming quality in the UAW mindset. It has corrupted your thinking and the whole state of Michigan. Good luck when the goose has been eaten.
  • dbostondriverdbostondriver Member Posts: 559
    Indian guy took my Dad's job. He learned how to do something else. Never heard him complain.

    What is a screw machine? Please don't tell me it is a giant screw driver?

    And don't be so quick to blame crime on immigration:
    An Op-Ed in The New York Times by Harvard University Professor in Sociology Robert J. Sampson says that immigration of Hispanics may in fact be associated with decreased crime.[104]A 1999 paper by John Hagan and Alberto Palloni estimated that the involvement in crime by Hispanic immigrants are less than that of other citizens.
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Us_immigration#cite_note-104

    They took our jerbs! And made better cars. Rocky, what did the average guy buying an Astro-van look like?
  • jimbresjimbres Member Posts: 2,025
    I sat back in my recliner and smoked a Macanudo Portofino and sipped some Courvoisier XO cognac watching his funeral procession on my Zenith color console with a wicked smile on my face.

    Wow. The collapse of the Soviet Union must have really bummed you out.
  • dbostondriverdbostondriver Member Posts: 559
    I was basing price as the competitive point. Sorry.
    Also I think GM had to pull the resale value add with all the bankruptcy talk. No joke.
  • lemkolemko Member Posts: 15,261
    Don't be so quick to judge the Astro van. It is popular among Japanese youth. In fact, the Astro van seems to have inspired the popular Scion xB.

    The Chevrolet Astro was exported to Japan, where the van enjoys a cult following. In 2005, to celebrate the last year of Astro production, Chevrolet of Japan offered a limited edition run of the final production models. The Astro's popularity in Japan comes even though it was only offered in left-hand drive.
  • gagricegagrice Member Posts: 31,450
    It was only a dozen years ago this state was booming and expanding.

    A few posts back you said I was trying to have it both ways. Now you are claiming all was fine 12 years ago. A few posts back you claim Reagan sent all the jobs overseas. He left office over 20 years ago. So he must not have outsourced all the jobs. It is just part of the blame game you were taught from the crib. If things are not going good it is someone else's fault. That is sad.
  • gagricegagrice Member Posts: 31,450
    I thought that Japan would not allow GM to sell there? And GM would not even convert to right hand drive.
  • dbostondriverdbostondriver Member Posts: 559
    Your joking right?
    Chevrolet Astro. While Chrysler, Toyota, and Honda were refining their minivans in the 1990s and coming up with innovations like hideaway seats and electric sliding doors, GM was offering an old, truck-based van gussied up with carpeting and cupholders. "It showed GM's repeated failure to market competitive products based on styling and packaging," says Tom Libby of J. D. Power & Associates. The Astro drove like a bread truck, and consumers noticed. It also earned the worst safety ratings in its class. Before long, GM was effectively out of the minivan segment. No biggie—those were just mainstream American families the automaker decided to ignore.
    http://www.usnews.com/blogs/flowchart/2008/11/14/10-cars-that-sank-detroit.html?- - s_cid=related-links:TOP

    They took our jerbs! Hopefully this will never happen again with the "new" GM.
  • lemkolemko Member Posts: 15,261
    No joke. There are even some dedicated Astro van clubs in Japan.

    Maybe the Astro failed as a soccermommymobile, but it is an excellent smaller work/delivery van as it's built on a much sturdier truck chassis as was the Ford Aerostar my Dad once owned.
  • fintailfintail Member Posts: 58,665
    Seems the neo-Soviets are alive and well today...Stalputin with absolute power and the west unable to do anything.

    Hard to give Ronnie credit for the artificial collapse of the bolshevist scourge.
  • dbostondriverdbostondriver Member Posts: 559
    Exactly, it is a work truck with carpeting. Not a family automobile.
    Something that should be relegated to fleets and gov agencies. Not the family trip to the zoo.
  • kernickkernick Member Posts: 4,072
    Between you and rocky, you'd have everyone believing this society is like Czarist Russia of 1900 - only the few powerful wealthy, and the working poor. You're view of the world is that you are basically powerless and are waiting for the rich to dole out their wealth and/or give you a good job as you are entitled to?

    I've always thought the UAW and other unions were the sheeple of the world; and arrogant ones at that. Why Sheeple?

    1) Because they can't survive unless someone is employing them. They have no initiative or idea on how to make a living unless someone hires them.
    2) They think that whether they work or not that they are entitled to a big piece of the pie.
    3) Whether it be the government or the company they are making big-money from, they openly detest the leaders feeding them. i.e. Biting the hand that feeds them, and they would otherwise starve.

    Rocky - get rid of the excuses; grow up and realize your ancestors left their family across the ocean at some point. If there are no jobs, or jobs you like, and you are talented, then create your own job. There's nothing stopping you from running some sort of business. You think you know a lot well then you should be able to create and run a business. You may have to work 70-80 hr/week for a few years, but people do it.
  • dbostondriverdbostondriver Member Posts: 559
    Not to mention that the Asstro Van was a death trap: :lemon:

    "Gave the Astro a "poor" rating in 1996 because of what by all appearances was a horrifying display of structural failure in the Institute's 40 mph (64 km/h) crash test into a fixed, offset barrier. The underbody of the test van buckled, pitching both front seats forward and shoving the crash dummy into the dashboard and steering wheel, leading the Institute to comment that "[t]he collapse of the occupant compartment left little survival space for the driver."
  • marsha7marsha7 Member Posts: 3,703
    "GM, is preparing to file BK according to the media thus you haters might get your wish of watching a empire come crumbling down to the ground just like this country has for the last 8 years"...rocky, this was an empire built like a house of cards...they never earned it in the 50s, they were just the largest left standing after WWII...they had it made in the 60s and 70s, as USA simply exploded in the years after WWII...but by the late 70s into the 80s, their cars were becoming junk (along with Ford and Chrysler)...Honda and Toyota simply offered a well made product, and compared with GM at the time, it was MUCH better made...

    All GM had to do was pay attention and use their superior might to simply MAKE A SUPERIOR PRODUCT...they didn't, and the UAW was no help either...

    Fast forward to today...you lament the fall of GM like it was an accident...only in the last few years have they made a car that was exemplary, like Malibu or CTS....where were those quality cars, and the rest of the GM line for the last 20 years???...no lemko, I do NOT want to hear about your damn Buicks, they are the ONLY good GM vehicles from that era, no one else seems to have one...:):):)...

    The article quoted above mentions the crap that the Astro Van was...where was the updated engineering that could have made it a standout???...no, rocky, rather than GM make a better product, like a child you cry that the imports played unfair...making a technologically better product is unfair???...would you actually demand that the American consumer be stuck with an inferior Astro simply because UAW makes it???...the thought of quality never crosses your mind, just so some UAW floorsweeper has a job...

    The imports did NOT steal one UAW job...the UAW gave them all away by making junk for more years than we can count...not ONCE do you mention the quality gap between Big 3 and Japanese cars, just that some UAW idiot MUST have a job, regardless of the junk he is making...don't I have the right to the best product out there???...please tell me why the UAW never struck for better quality in their own products...you have NO insight whatsoever, just your welfare mentality from being raised in a welfare UAW family...the rest of the USA has watched how better cars are made, and you just stick your head in the sand...this is pitiful...

    You rail about conservative folks in the media, yet you think that Lou Dobbs does not have his own agenda???...so, we are fools for listening to Rush, but you have deep intelligence for listening to Lou Dobbs???...this, from the same guy who can't figure out that moving may be the best way to get a job, but still stays in the same area where there are no jobs and wonders why there is no work???...the same guy who states that additional education will only lead to a job at McD's, when poster after poster documents otherwise???...and THEN, you whine because GM would not have paid 100% tuition, which reveals more about your welfare mentality than anything else???...do you EVER take responsibilty for paying anything in your life???...does EVERYTHING have to be paid by someone else or else you called it a capitalistic ripoff???...do you ever think of taking responsibility for your own life other than whining about what you cannot get for free???

    I do NOt experience glee at the fall of GM...but any fool can see that Ch 11 is the only reasonble option, because the behemoth can no longer pay its bills...

    And you expect them to re-hire 250,000 UAW workers just so they have jobs, even tho there is no work for them to do...simply more welfare mentality form a brainwashed UAW family who, itself, was brainwashed into the fairy tale land of the UAW, thinking that anyone who can turn a screwdriver or close a door was worth $35/hour...

    It is time to wake up...
  • dbostondriverdbostondriver Member Posts: 559
    Word up. UAW was more worried about keeping their jobs then protecting them. GM is a man made disaster. They took our jerbs!
  • dino001dino001 Member Posts: 6,191
    Funny how Bill and Melinda Gates are so concerned about poverty abroad that they ignore it at home.

    It's because what we call "poor" here would be considered great life in 60-70 percent of the world (Africa, half of Asia, half of S. America). Most trully poor people in Africa would kill to be poor in US. In fact, calling our low-income "poor" is an insult to them.

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  • gagricegagrice Member Posts: 31,450
    Actually Gates has funded many school programs that will give our kids a chance to get a better education. Our colleges are overflowing with students. Most will graduate and get good jobs if they picked something besides Philosophy or History. One of our nephews graduated up in Seattle with a Philosophy major. He worked his way through by busing tables and waiter jobs. His senior year the owner of this fancy restaurant he was working at offered him a bar tending job. He loves it. He is headed back for a post graduate degree. He covers his own tuition and living expenses bar tending. Seems like that would be a good job for Rocky.
  • imidazol97imidazol97 Member Posts: 27,730
    And then they go on Oprah to pat themselves on the back with her insipid help and mannerisms.

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  • dbostondriverdbostondriver Member Posts: 559
    Excellent point. Also how much did GM pay to sponsor the NCAA Tournament.
    I caught some stooge wearing a Chevy Bowtie lapel pin while giving out the player and coach of the year award. Since when did Chevy become a charity? Oh wait, last October.
  • tlongtlong Member Posts: 5,194
    My mom said today that if my step-dad loses his Millwright job at Delphi, that they might be moving to Mexico, because that is where some of our jobs are at.

    ....thanks to the high costs of the UAW.
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