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When you look at Delphi and the C11 that was filed in 2005, I would say 10 years minimum, we will be bailing them out. Unless we change the whole political scenery over the next several elections. GM will take even longer. Unless they just liquidate and get it over we will be in Auto Limbo for decades.
-Rocky
I don't know what they are paid as they have been contracted out for quite a while now. They are not union members and to settle one of there previous contacts they agreed custodians could be outsourced. The real cost of wages, benefits, retirement is $55 an hour but that figure is going to drop as time goes on as more of these veterans reach retirement age. Toyota is paying $48 with wages and benefits. There costs are cheaper because they don't have the sheer number of retirees of GM.
I want to know so I can rail against the UAW with correct figures for the lowest of the unskilled laborers, the floorsweeper...
Sorry that UAW position has been eliminated and outsourced. I thought we made that clear a few weeks ago??? :confuse:
-Rocky
-Rocky
Damn straight!!!
-Rocky
Ok, PMO The website below shows that the a General Maintenance Worker at GM in Detroit will make between $62 K and $68K annually - That's $29.81 per hour.
http://www.glassdoor.com/Salaries/General-Maintenance-Worker-Salaries-SRCH_KO0,2- 6.htm
Happy now? (Probably Not)
LOL....You guys are hilarious with the words "strangling" being used. I'm getting this image of a person with both hands around a poor gooses necks kinda like the pseudo-capitalist are doing to small business and the working man in this country.
Harley is a well oiled machine. They not only make motorcycles but make military equipment also.
The UAW now needs to fatten Barry's wallet and get some NAFTA reform, Tariffs to adress the unlevel playing field of unfair trade and currency manipulation. Throw a $15K tax on the hood of a imported Lexus LS and the playing field will be even. Then Yota will either have to pass that cost on to their consumers if they must own a Lexus LS or build them here to avoid it.
-Rocky
-Rocky
-Rocky
-Rocky
If your dash rattles you need to blame JCI and not UAW assembly workers. If the body its self rattles you can blame the engineers and the robots. I had a window fall out of alignment on my wifes 98 Mustang and it wasn't the UAW workers fault but a bad part according to the guy who fixed it.
lokki: "It would appear that the average assembly line worker doesn't make $30 an hour in take-home pay - it's only $28.33 or $58,926 annually - not including any benefits or overtime."...ONLY $28.33???...OK, I was off by $1.67...and like you said, that did not include benefits...so, when I refer to floorsweepers making over $25/hour, I am correct, but if I say $30 I am technically wrong, altho not by much...
You are still wrong because no floor sweepers are making $25 an/hr and they are for the BILLIONTH TIME contractors that are NON-UNION marsha7. :confuse:
Forgive me, but justifying sweeping a floor for $28.33/hour PLUS BENEFITS, I cannot fathom how any UAW supporter can, with a straight face, tell me how "skilled" they are...plus, if they were that skilled, millions of Americans would not have deserted the Big 3 for imports...
Read above!!!! NO UAW FLOOR SWEEPERS. What does Toyota pay there floor sweepers??? Are they contracted out??? :confuse:
So, what the UAW folks SAY really is a figment in their own minds, because the REAL reviewers, not edmunds or CR, but the people who buy the cars out there, have said with their feet and their money that UAW-made cars are of insufficient quality for them to purchase... THAT IS THE BOTTOM LINE...
They still out sell your beloved imports!!! :P
Argue wth me all you want...the market has decided, and the UAW must become history...they may get a small reprieve when they have partial ownership of the company, but when the product comes out no different than the last 20 years, then it will be the UAW who manages themselves into oblivion instead of just assembling themselves into oblivion...
As an outsider, this will be fun to watch...
Take a 2010 LaCrosse CXS for a test drive Marsha7. You will be very impressed. I must ask what "trim level" is your Regal??? Do you has a GS?
-Rocky
-Rocky
My post stated that everyone "knows" D3 dealerships are going out of business. That "knowledge" is shared by all news agencies in the US. That "knowledge" has been confirmed by GM itself. There is forum here on Edmunds called "Where did all the dealerships go?" But you want to "believe" this is propaganda promoted on a "favorite news rag"?
It just occurred to me that you personally worked for several GM dealerships one week, and they folded up the next week. Maybe its not the economy or quality or the Japanese. Maybe its you...
If it makes you feel any better, Rocky, my uncle's '03 Corolla squeaks and rattles worse than my '67 Catalina convertible. :P I guess I should confess though, that my uncle's Corolla has about 170,000 miles on it and has been wrecked a few times.
-Rocky
Toyota managers come around every morning in a Tundra and pick them up in front of Lowe's and the Home Depot.
Mazda6
Mitsubishi Eclipse
Mitsubishi Eclipse Spyder
Mitsubishi Galant
Toyota Corolla*
Mazda B-Series
Toyota Tacoma*
Mazda Tribute/Hybrid
Mitsubishi Endeavor
CAW SUVs/CUVs
Suzuki XL7
CAW Vans
Volkswagen Routan
http://www.uaw.org/uawmade/auto/2009/index.cfm
-Rocky
P.S.
So your UAW Mazda6 is UAW MADE in Flat Rock, Michigan. Glad you like it as they are indeed a nice car. I had the chance to drive one last month and agree!!!
Okay Lemko, you owe the government a new keyboard and monitor, because I read that while drinking chocolate milk and, well, let's just say I "redecorated" the office! :P
-Rocky
You good folks buying the Asian trinkets called cars should make a beeline for your nearest anti-American dealership with an Oriental name like Toyota or Honda and put the USA deeper in a recession.. We need 10% unemployment nationwide so do your part, and buy one of those trinkets...
Don't worry about the UAW, for the Democratic party has taken care of them for it will take twice as many employees to assemble the future cars coming out of Detroit..New work schedule, 1 hour on the job, and 1 hour off, so maybe we can get 4 hrs/daily of productive work..
They will probably model our GOVERNMENT MOTORS after the Postal Dept and their $2-3 billion annual shortfall is an accepted shortfall...Just raise prices..cut services, and hire more people...
The UAW is now enjoying a summer of leisure with Chrysler shut down and GM halting production for 9wks in the next few days...Your tax $$$$'s are keeping those
highly skilled valuable one-of-kind individuals comfortable at their neighbor bar or filling in as protestors for illegal immigration or gay rights..
Off to Detroit next week in the 09 Bullitt, 1300 miles of high-speed bliss, giving the car to my grandson, he deserves to live a life before the hybrid age takes hold..
Drove a 2010 Mustang recently, and it is an improvement, more refinement, and better handling..Will get a 2010 GT w/track pkg.,
Not all of them, as some where willing to take concessions on the debt. Either way, the loss is going to cost someone, either the bond holders and/or the insurers and of course us tax payers.
Same thing could easily happen to gm.
business week
-Rocky
Good one! :P
Keith Olbermann tells it like it is on autoworker pay
http://www.uaw.org/auto/12_01_08auto1.cfm
-Rocky
Not true. I have an American made Acura TL and it is of high quality.
Maybe if the maintenance worker is putting in 30 hours/week in OT or something.
-Rocky
Sorry that UAW position has been eliminated and outsourced. I thought we made that clear a few weeks ago???"...
Forgive me, that was a slip on my part...I basically refer to the anonymous "floorsweeper" as the most unskilled of the unskilled, paid far in excess of what his skill level demands...BTW, there was a time when the janitor WAS a UAW member, IIRC, so my timing is off but I think my general meaning is on point...can I go back to lug nut tightener (abbreviated LNT) to replace the floorsweeper???
My Regal was the other one, not the GS (LS???)...which was traded in when I bought my new 2000 Intrepid ES, further supporting the Big 3 and the UAW, as I am a Union Man from the word "go"...excuse me while I gag on that, or spew chocolate milk on my keyboard...
Yes, regardless of our differences, I believe in standing up for the truth, and if rocky told his boss that what was wrong was the "family" part of family business, and the boss can't take that his son is incompetent, then rocky's best bet was to leave, whether voluntarily or involuntarily...esp since he could see why the dealer was not selling cars, due to no stock on the lot...
The fact that the REAL problem was selling UAW-made cars and not imports, we will overlook...rocky STILL did the right thing by voicing his opinion...I can ALWAYS have NO RESPECT for rocky's UAW opinion, but on this I will always respect the person who speaks their mind with constructive criticism...even rocky...yes, even "rocky the misguided one"... ...:):):):):)...
Hey, it's about 1:40 pm on Friday...shouldn't I be working???...wait a minute, I am just taking one of my 15 "thirty-minute lawyer's union breaks" in an 8 hour work period...let's see, 15 half hour breaks comes to 7.5 hours on break, with 30 minutes left to work...sounds like a UAW contract to me...and I don't even get paid $28/hour to sweep the floor or tighten lug nuts...this calls for only one solution.............STRIKE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
But the Lexus would still be a better car. If the D3 don't fix the desirability problem, no amount of cost savings will help.
-Rocky
Did the UAW kick in on his new contract of $7.5 million per year?
You are forgiven pal. However the lug nut tightener isn't a position either. There is no one putting lug nuts on cars going down the assembly line either. We made that clear a few weeks ago also. You will have to come up with something else. :P
My Regal was the other one, not the GS (LS???)...which was traded in when I bought my new 2000 Intrepid ES, further supporting the Big 3 and the UAW, as I am a Union Man from the word "go"...excuse me while I gag on that, or spew chocolate milk on my keyboard...
So you had the LS. Do you still own the 2000 Intrepid???? What other vehicles do you own or is that it???
Yes, regardless of our differences, I believe in standing up for the truth, and if rocky told his boss that what was wrong was the "family" part of family business, and the boss can't take that his son is incompetent, then rocky's best bet was to leave, whether voluntarily or involuntarily...esp since he could see why the dealer was not selling cars, due to no stock on the lot...
Thanks. It is pretty sad when Beth sells more new cars than a whole dealership. She delivered #15 yesterday to end the month. I guarantee you my former dealership didn't come close to that number in new.
The fact that the REAL problem was selling UAW-made cars and not imports, we will overlook...rocky STILL did the right thing by voicing his opinion...I can ALWAYS have NO RESPECT for rocky's UAW opinion, but on this I will always respect the person who speaks their mind with constructive criticism...even rocky...yes, even "rocky the misguided one"... ...
Even though I think I'm guided and you are misguided I appreciate your support on that. I am going to apply for a armed security job at the nuclear power plant where I use to work about 7 years ago tomorrow. My ex g/f Tammy is going with me to take the test. So hopefully one of us will land it.
-Rocky
-Rocky
Of course. I should not have bought my American-made Acura TL, I should instead go get a Mexican Fusion. That Fusion employed a lot of US workers.
highly skilled valuable one-of-kind individuals comfortable at their neighbor bar or filling in as protestors for illegal immigration
You left out being able to be paid or volunteer to assist ACORN in gathering more voters.
2014 Malibu 2LT, 2015 Cruze 2LT,
-Rocky
Speaking of union nonwork or padding...
I read a joke about an attorney checking in at the Pearly Gates complaining, "But I'm only 50."
St. Peter then explains, "Oh we thought you were 83 based on your billing hours."
2014 Malibu 2LT, 2015 Cruze 2LT,
-Rocky
You just do not understand that tariffs are a two way street. When we put 100% tariff on foreign oil, Alaska and Texas along with the other oil producing states will be sitting fat. Not the UAW and Domestic car makers that cannot build a 50 MPG car in the USA. Heck they cannot even build a 40 MPG car here.
Of course the UAW workers building heavy trucks and equipment will be out of a job as the countries we tack tariffs onto will reciprocate. You and your UAW friends better learn to live with free trade and open borders. This administration likes it that way. He is just feeding the UAW crumbs to keep them voting Democrat.
They will be able to soon enough. Cruze, Volt. How many 40 and 50 mpg cars is Honyota & Nissan building??? :surprise:
-Rocky
“What’s at stake is auto being the pre-eminent industry generating middle-class jobs in the country,” Shaiken said. “The union will have a tough fight in the future to make sure competitiveness results in high-wage jobs rather than coming at their expense.”
UAW’s Chrysler Equity Is Small Comfort as Union’s Power Wanes (Bloomberg)
They can build those heavy trucks and equipment here or they can go out of business. I don't care. Someone will replace them because that is the way the fair-market works.
-Rocky
-Rocky