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Hell, it's hard enough when there ISN'T a union involved. I've actually been accused a few times of making my cow-irkers look bad. Wanna know how? Because I come to work, more or less on-time. I take the alloted time for lunch, or no lunch at all. If I come in late I stay late to compensate, and I pull enough OT anyway that they probably owe ME money. Oh, and I do something else that some may find shocking. I do my job.
Every time the customers give me a good review, or put in a commendation for me, my supervisors pretty much say that's fine and dandy, but that I need to give my coworkers the same attention that I give the customers. Even the backstabby ones. I have this one who's been whining for about 7 years now "but I was never properly trained for this job". Umm, join the club, darlin'. NONE of us were "properly" trained. We were all thrown into it, and it was a learn as you go type of thing. And I've done nothing BUT train this one in particular, from day one. When confronted about it by my supervisor, I told her that there's an old saying, that you can lead a cow to water but you can't make it drink. Well I've gone so far as to grab that cow by the horns and shove its face in the watering hole. But that cow still has to take the initiative to drink!
Needless to say, that little analogy didn't go over too well. But good lord, if it's this hard to make a gov't contractor in a "right to work" state shape up or ship out, I can't imagine what some of these unions have to go through. :sick:
Bob lets give em' some more money!!! Go to Walley-World and buy another Chinese Made item because you few entitled to the latest shoddy made trinket!!! Your grandchildren will thank-you as they die from radiation poisoning or war!!! :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad:
-Rocky
The 31-Year-Old in Charge of Dismantling G.M.
http://finance.yahoo.com/family-home/article/107136/The-31-Year-Old-in-Charge-of- - -Dismantling-G.M.?mod=family-autos
-Rocky
Had Ford been allowed to compete on a level playing field, they would survive and prosper in recovery (in 2012). Our economy is 2 years away from recovery and this Gov't owned BK only buys time - it will not work and everyone should plainly see that.
In 2011 when things are a bit better economically, the plug will be pulled and the whole house of cards will come down. Obama knows the truth, he doesn't want you to know it just yet though.
I'm the same way. I liked the Fusion from the get-go, although I was disappointed that the 4-cyl version was kind of substandard in both power and economy, as if they were trying to force you into the V-6 model. For the price though, it still seemed like a good car, but the Mexico-built aspect always did bother me. Guess I am being hypocritical though, since my 2000 Intrepid came from Canada! And if I had the income to dispose of, I'd consider a G8, built with pride in Australia, mate. :surprise:
So is the 2010 Fusion still Mexican built?
So how long do you guys think it will take GM to get through BK?
-Rocky
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GM will be out of BK court by August 15th, 2009. They will have no chance to break even financially before 2012. I believe GM as we know it will not exist 2 years from today.
Chevy and Cadillac will survive in one form or another. Possibly owned by Ford or Toyota.
I think if you have a library in GR you will find that Georgia was settled and civilized long before anyone but savages roamed Michigan. Georgia was a state for 50 years before Michigan was admitted. Just reading the new 1776 by McCullough, it mentions time and again how George Washington considered the Yankees and New England volunteers as uneducated, uncivilized and undisciplined. Most of the southern states were admitted long before Michigan.
Georgia was the 4th state admitted less than one month after the first 3 states. Rocky I would never admit I was out witted by a TX attorney. As our old Teamster boss told me, Attorneys have to be led every step of the way. Sorry Bob that has been my experience as well. I have a couple attorney friends I debate politics and theology with. I would not be afraid to debate either with the pick of the UAW crop. Send them over to this thread and we will have a go.
http://townhall-talk.edmunds.com/direct/view/.f1d3f68/75#MSG75
Wonder how the GM engineers, accountants, managers feel about mistreatment by the Obama administration. Seems like they will play a much larger role in determining the attributes/design/quality/reliability of upcoming GM offerings and should have had an ownership stake equivalent to or more than UAW. Guess it is just Obama and his politician friends paying back the unions.
Don't forget it was your hero Bill Clinton who sold rocket and nuclear technology to the Chinese, placing us in danger...they never would have sent up a satellite, or not for another 10-20 years, if not for your buddy Clinton selling out the US for under-the-table re-election money in 1996...so if we sit in danger of a missle-delivered nuke bomb, blame Clinton, your hero...
I really wonder who will buy a new GM car (I mean, besides lemko buying 5) and if they will keep the new GM afloat...I think that they may just pare it down to Chevy and Cadillac, and a truck brand, and they could do alright...adopt Honda's efficient manufacturing methods, and cut the UAW work force by another 2/3, since Honda only needs 1/3 the workers that GM needs for the same number of cars...
If we play our cards right, we might reduce the entire UAW membership to the size of what is now the smallest local...then they will be a footnote in history, like Pres Millard Fillmore...:):):):):)
rocky, I did not imply bars and clubs, I wouldn't do that either...but you must know people who know single women that you can meet for coffee (a $5 date) to see if an evening date is worth it...yeah, I know some of them might be like me and detest the UAW, but you might find some UAW-commies (...:):)...) too...
Besides, there have GOT to be women who want an ethical, honest, decent man, and you seem to be one, we just have to re-train your misguided thinking...:):):)
Heard US Rep Kucinich on C-SPAN talk show and it seemed that he was very displeased that Obama handled GM/UAW mess by himself and did not ask the Congress to do the job.
When I was a kid, GM knew how to build cars that people really wanted to own. There was no need to play the patriotism card because the cars were hot. They practically sold themselves.
Now, even the people who are pro-GM have given up pretending that the cars are anything special. All they can do is plead with the rest of us to buy American. That's sad.
Maybe a post-bankruptcy GM - one that's leaner, nimbler & less bureaucratic - can rekindle the old magic.
Perhaps you can answer this question & save me a trip to the Cadillac web site: do the gold chains come with the base car or do you have to order the "Vegas Gambler" trim package to get them?
Yeah. That's just what I wanted. I wanted congress to do the job. Harry, Flat Nancy, Waters, etc. Yup they would have done so much better. I know that after seeing the stimulus package they passed with no questions and all their own selfish addons. Yup. We needed congress to work on the agreement. How long would it have taken them? 2012? :sick:
2014 Malibu 2LT, 2015 Cruze 2LT,
I'm seeing the same kind of upscaling with Lexuses and Acuras in this area.
2014 Malibu 2LT, 2015 Cruze 2LT,
I have read that GM is planning on expanding their operations and vehicle production in China for consumption there and possibly to export to US. Is this not good for GM?
What did UAW say or do when GM was importing Chinese made engines to US? Did they fail to put provisions in 2000+ page contract that forbid Chinese engines? Did some of these engines go into Equinox?
On contracts, will Obama try to get union to whittle down contract to reasonable length?
It is very common to see later model Buicks and Cadillacs with padded tops. Just recently saw a white Lucerne with a black padded top. Understand that this is not from the factory. Maybe GM ought to have that on the option list for about $1K for extra profit. Extra work for UAW workers also. Why give that profit margin away to aftermarket providers or dealers.
2018 430i Gran Coupe
The gold emblem/nameplate thing was a huge fad in the 90s, but it faded away pretty quickly after the turn of the century.
On that note, I have seen a current model CTS with the "full Florida" treatment. Terrible.
So have I and it's hilariously bad. I've seen the padded roof thing done to a Lexus/Camry type car too, but it's an extremely rare site. I can't think of many worse ways to spend money. But hey it's stimulus spending ... right. Somebody did get paid to put that thing on.
I see where Magna out of Canada is trying to takeover Opel in Germany..Back in 1996 they acquired a seating company in the Detroit area for approx $135million, yep made a few bucks on that deal and the family smiled all the way to the bank..Great timing on the seller's part..Magna used to operate approx 40-50 small auto related plants in Canada, less than 50 employees per location, none were unionized..Most of Magna's managers were of European descent, heavy on the Austria background..
Toyota just completed borrowing $2 billion from the Japanese banking industry. This slowdown is hurting the island folks, and they may end up like GM..Great thought!!!! Honda has really put a dent in the Prius by bring out a real tin-can hybrid called the "Insight" forcing Toyota to reduce the price of the Prius which was already a money-loser for them..
Wait until Barack starts pricing the new hybrids from GM and Chrysler, forcing us the taxpapers to bankroll another losing battle..Rebates, tax credits, and high tradein values for our gas guzzlers...Ford will fall next for the our Govt will not allow them to survive, got to stop the free market!!!!
The 09 Bullitt I just drove to Detroit was a company car that we use for the business in Michigan and Florida was all writeoff and thank goodness for it needed a 6th gear to reach 20mpgs on the highway..My average was 18.5 from Venice to Detroit..Small tank combined with low MPGs means I spent lots of time at the pumps..Great little car, trouble-free and smooth..
All I have left is the 06 s/c Grand Prix which ekes out 22mpgs on prem gas on the open road at speeds around 80..Will get an 2010 Mustang GT w/track pkg when Ford fills up the pipeline and dealers are choked up with cars..
Poor UAW, walking the streets and blaming Bush, when the Democrats in our Congress took away their jobs to "Save the Planet". Ask Conyers for he is wearing the "Red Armband" and carrying the "Scythe".
Never underestimate the bad taste of the general public.
Once in a while, I'll spot an upscale Japanese car with "gold" trim, but I've never seen one with a carriage top. Tacky roof treatments seem to be exclusive to Cadillacs & Lincolns, at least where I live.
But as I've pointed out to Lemko before, the premium German brands, not the Japanese, popped Cadillac's balloon. When I was a kid, the local ruling class drove Cadillacs. Now the car to be seen in if you want people to think you're successful is an S-Class Mercedes or a 7-series BMW. It's gotta be German if you don't want to look like a loser.
The typical Lexus LS driver is usually a former Mercedes owner who got fed up with the repair costs. He probably never owned a Cadillac. The Camry may have hurt Chevy sales but I don't think that Lexus took much from Caddy.
And you'll NEVER see a tarted-up primo German car.
That would be your basic Cadillac attire. I saw a first for me. A new black Range Rover with the ugliest chrome wheels imaginable. And a guy driving that fits that description. Don't forget the feather in the hat. What is the saying pimp my ride?
All that gives me an idea. Why not give classes in those type businesses to all the out of work UAW guys. Most already have the blinged out cruiser. With a little tutoring on the cloths they will be ready for business.
Magna employs 83,000 employees at 240 manufacturing operations in 24 countries around the world. Magna supports these operations with 62 engineering and R&D centres in 14 countries.
Frank Stronach is a very smart man and has made many deals that has made him great profits in the manufacturing world. In Aurora Ontario where his main plants are, he has built theaters, complex centers, golf courses and much more for his employees and the community around him. He doesn't need CAW or UAW workers to ruin the way he does business. He figures in 3 years that some of the Opel cars will be built in Canada and sold there. Part of the deal with GM is that he can not sell them in the States, but knowing the way this man works, that will change in a few years. I believe the cars he builds will be very reliable and will sell.
He is a hands on owner and is part of everything that goes on and knows what is happening in all his plants. Could be more trouble for GM in the long run. The only bad part is Frank is 76 years old and the company will probably fall apart once he is gone. :confuse:
What a great post. That just about sums it up.
I hope that soon we might have a GM we can be excited about. Not thinking it is likely but we can hope the new management will make enough of a difference.
I almost had an accident because I was ROTFLMAO at 75 MPH!! Luckily, the precision steering of this import kept my track firm and true! :shades:
Regards,
OW
That same sort of uncertainty was expressed by NUMMI spokesman Lance Tomasu, who said it's unclear how GM's bankruptcy will affect the factory."
NUMMI workers fret over future (Insidebayarea.com)
Future of GM-Toyota NUMMI Plant Uncertain with GM Bankruptcy (AutoObserver)
Speaking of Creditors Meeting, I wonder how many will show up for GM's hearing...1 or 2, or hundreds or even thousands???
Sorry rocky, we have our rednecks, no doubt, but after 10 years with UAW people, you need to look in the mirror, because most UAW folks can barely make a "X" on a signature form...it was like that in the 80s, and you can be sure that the UAW, with no standards to begin with, surely did not raise them after I left Detroit...
For all you insults about Southern rednecks, I can absolutely assure you that you are surrounded by the same ignorant, toothless idiots, except yours talk without the Soutern accent...insult us all you want, but you know as well as I do that your beloved union is a magnet for the illiterate...I know this for a fact...you can fool those here who do not know Detroit, but living on Telegraph Road at Six Mile taught me just how ignorant they are...and believe me, considering the lemming behavior of the entire UAW, I am surprised that you can insult the South so much and not look at the UAW people who surrounded you when you grew up...it ain't pretty...
Does this count?
or this?
Regards,
OW
How predictable. Because you can't figure out how to win customers over, it's government's fault for not shutting out the competition.
Face it - the Germans have reduced your brand to laughable carriage-topped irrelevance.
When it comes to luxury cars, Deutschland über alles.
I'm guessing that this must be your neighborhood:
Mine: 1995 318ti Club Sport-2020 C43-1996 Speed Triple Challenge Cup Replica
Wife's: 2021 Sahara 4xe
Son's: 2018 330i xDrive
Thanks.
That is correct. Mine have been with 4 divorces which I was pleased with the outcome, after explaining exactly what I expected the attorney to do in court. The rest were real estate deals where a title opinion was required to be done by an attorney. The one that screwed the paper work up I did not pay. And he did not go after me as he knew he would be wasting his time. Though I agree if I was ever in trouble with the law I would get the best scoundrel Attorney I could afford.
Seems GM could have used some decent labor attorneys during the numerous UAW strikes. Good advice would have been to shut down the plant and move to another country.
Three things keep a company in business.
1. Customer satisfaction. If they aren't happy, they go somewhere else.
2. Employee moral. If they aren't happy, they do poor work and the customer isn't happy. Keeping in mind that some people, or groups of people, are never happy, and will always do a mediocre job. Therefore they need to be released so they can find work where they will be happy.
2. Profits. Without these, the company simply can not survive.
Take away any one of them and the company goes out of business. Take away all of them and the company crashes. Think the Big 3.
UAW is never happy
Customers aren't happy.
Profits go away.
Kip
Relly funny! It's got to be a cult thing like Harley...unless Hogs rule in Europe and Asia!
Regards,
OW