Well, they've been extremely and consistently good to me. Why am I so lucky?
Well a broken clock gives correct time twice a day;)
I don't know. But why have so many customers left over the past few decades? If GM products are as good as you claim, those customers would be still buying GM cars and they wouldn't have less than 1/2 the market share vs 30 years ago.
I've always performed recommended routine maintenance. I don't know what that has to do with interior parts breaking and other build quality issues.
With my 07 Expedition, I had trans fluid changed at 30k &60k miles along with transfer case and front rear differentials, air filter every 10k, fuel filter every year, engine oil is change <5k miles, full tune up at 60k along with a coil pack and it still runs like crap with fumes entering the HVAC system and the dealer can't figure it out. I'm over $1,700 into these problem with no answers. Ford and GM are trying hard to make me never buy their pathetic products again. I won't even bring up the Suburban I owned, as it has already been posted, and will only give me heartburn.
I take care of my vehicles, but use them hard too as I tow a boat and travel trailer with them. I had an 01 Nissan Pathfinder that I used to tow my current boat thousands of miles, and it held up much better than these full-size domestic POC. Never had to replace a trans, or had to listen to a whining rear differential, or have an engine that has misfire issues or spark plugs that require $800 in labor to change. It just ran and took all the beating I could dish it.
I don't know when they'll pay off all the money, but as far as I'm concerned, they already do make the best cars in the world for my money.
For your desired niche, I wouldn't argue. That is also where GMs cars are most reliable.
You do recognize, though, that the larger market of UAW-built cars - outside the segment of large, soft sedans - is generally less reliable and inferior to the competition, correct?
Since the large soft sedan segment is a relatively small one, it doesn't matter if those cars are the best. The company (and union) making those cars won't succeed if the broader product line can't be competitive. And that includes the costs of labor and flexibility of labor.
I'm not in the market for those other cars regardless of who makes them. Out of the foreign competition, there are really only three contenders for my dollars and that's the Mercedes S-Class, Lexus LS, or the Toyota Avalon.
In exchange for deep cuts in wages and benefits, the U.A.W. is to become majority owner of Chrysler, with Fiat and the United States as junior partners. Fiat is to take the major role in running Chrysler; it will provide technical operations, and build at least one vehicle in a Chrysler plant. A new board will be appointed that is expected to include representatives from both companies and the union.
LORDSTOWN, Ohio — For the better part of three decades, the car plant here was a seemingly endless source of trouble for General Motors.
The Lordstown, Ohio, plant will begin making the Cruze this year.
In the 1970s, the factory’s 7,000 workers were so bitter toward management that thousands of Chevrolet Vegas rolled off the assembly line with slit upholstery and other damage. The hostility eventually led to a 22-day strike in 1972 that cost G.M. $150 million, and the term “Lordstown syndrome” became shorthand to describe rebellious American factory workers.
Even when no intentional sabotage occurred, many Lordstown-built vehicles were of poor quality. G.M. had planned to abandon Lordstown, the site of many wildcat strikes, by 2002.
But the plant survived, though dozens of other auto factories did not, and today it is preparing to build a new compact car, the Chevrolet Cruze, that is integral to G.M.’s hopes of becoming a successful company again.
United Automobile Workers’ leaders in Lordstown, Detroit and other cities where clashes with management were once common said they have since decided that their only chance to survive in a global economy is to work with, not against, their employers.
Though many people blame the union for dragging down the Detroit automakers, the companies’ struggles have turned the U.A.W. into one of their strongest allies.
In the process, a new tone of cooperation has emerged at Lordstown.
A return to an era of belligerence and brinksmanship is unlikely, said Mr. Strickland, the shop chairman, because job security, a given when Detroit dominated the industry, is now workers’ biggest concern.
“When General Motors had such a big percentage of the market, our fears weren’t there,” Mr. Strickland said. “There wasn’t a trump card that we didn’t pull.”
“Now you’ve got to be careful about pulling those trump cards out because it could be your last. We want G.M. to be successful. We want the U.A.W. to be successful. Making that happen on both sides, that creates security.”
GM vehicles have been extremely good for me too!!! Personally i drive a Chevrolet because it unlike my Kia (which i ditched in 06). Gets me to work ontime, has not left me stranded for a few hours while on vacation, and most importantly it preforms well in these cold canadian 13 hours north of the american border winters. However in all fairness, i would prolley be in a Kia today if it would have been problem free.
To blame the UAW for product, is one of the stupiest things I have ever heard
That might be true. But buyers might have been more forgiving of those sub-standard products had they been priced accordingly. That would have been 25% or more below the import competition. But it was the intransigence of the UAW that prevented that from happening.
Wow - trip odometer with push-button reset! That's bleeding-edge stuff!
Back then I think a trip odometer actually was a big deal! I know they've been out longer, but the oldest car I ever had with one was a 1979 Newport...same car as that St. Regis. I think a digital clock was also standard...at least every R-body Mopar I've ever seen has one.
Another thing the Mopar R-bodies came standard with, is an average defect rate of around 1000-1100 per 100 cars! For 2009, I think the industry average is around 170 per 100. I wonder what the average defect rate for the better Japanese brands were back in those days?
To be fair, that defect rate wasn't necessarily the UAW's fault, as these cars were launched right around the time Chrysler was about to go under, and they were fast running out of money for ANYTHING, let along quality control.
My fintail has a trip odometer...those cars hit the road for model year 1960.
The Japanese brands certainly weren't flawless then, especially in harsh climates...but the engines tended to run and other things acted up...maybe an opposite of period UAW cars.
If you page forward to the options list, you'll see that "AM/FM stereo with 8-track stereo tape player (includes 4 speakers - 2 front and 2 rear)" was available at extra cost for discerning audiophiles.
The UAW would likely say they are necessary to keep the capitalists from enslaving the workers.
Who will protect the workers from the UAW in a Non right to work state? A Union can enslave the workforce as much as a capitalist company can. I have gotten into more trouble speaking my mind to Union leaders than to my bosses, all the way to the top. Crossing a Union Boss in a closed shop can get you fired faster than spittin' on your supervisors shoe.
The average worker coming into the workforce today will have 10-14 different jobs by the time they reach 38. If you think it is hard competing against the rest of the World now. Hold onto your socks. You ain't seen nothing yet.
someone asked me why I don't have any sympathy for workers who lost their jobs.
Well, I have lots of sympathy for workers who lost their jobs not because of their fault. those people worked hard and didn't do anything to deserve what tough luck life brought to them. they are decent working people and deserve all of my sympathy and support.
UAW is different. Those guys priced themselves out of a job, on compensation, on benefits, on and off jobs, on quality of work they deliver in their vehicles.
UAW deserves to lose all of its jobs. and the sooner, the faster, and the more severe they lose their jobs, the better it is for the public at large, for the taxpayers, and for the UAW members specifically.
Over the past decade, the U.S. auto sector has seen employment drop by over half to 547,500 workers as of June, according to government data.
By reducing the number of older workers on their payroll, all three U.S. automakers aim to create room to hire new workers at sharply reduced wages when they need to increase production.
New UAW hires at the Detroit automakers will make $14 per hour compared with an average about $28 per hour for older workers under a round of concessions granted by the union.
"an average about $28 per hour for older workers under a round of concessions granted by the union. "
I remember reading an interview of a UAW member back in the early 1990s when he complained about how life was difficult for union members because they had typical credit card bills of $5-6K/month - back then the union was fighting with the big3 and preparing for a strike.
the first reaction I had was that either the companies were crazy paying that much for guys with high school degrees, or those union guys were just reckless spenders.
anyone, be it a person or a business, deserves to be shut out of the market if he or it prices him or itself out of the market.
I remember reading an interview of a UAW member back in the early 1990s when he complained about how life was difficult for union members because they had typical credit card bills of $5-6K/month - back then the union was fighting with the big3 and preparing for a strike.
A few years ago the Ford UAW workers in Louisville were complaining loud and long that their health insurance co-pays were going up $5-$10. My heart bled for them...
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UAW workers in Louisville were complaining loud and long that their health insurance co-pays were going up $5-$10. My heart bled for them...
No kidding. My supposedly gold plated Union health care plan cost my company $1200 per month up till I retired. My co-pay for an annual physical was about $400. When I opted out we were paying 30% medical and 50% dental. Under Obama care we would get taxed even more. We will probably hear some real screaming from the UAW workers when they find out they are going to subsidize HC for half the workers in the USA, legal and illegal.
PS I pay $15 co-pay for a Medicare doctor's visit with Kaiser, and consider it a bargain.
"......Under Obama care we would get taxed even more. We will probably hear some real screaming from the UAW workers when they find out they are going to subsidize HC for half the workers in the USA, legal and illegal."
This is where I don't understand the griping. IIRC, the "Cadillac Tax" won't kick in unless the plan costs $21,000 a year for a family plan, or $8,000 for a single plan.
This is where I don't understand the griping. IIRC, the "Cadillac Tax" won't kick in unless the plan costs $21,000 a year for a family plan, or $8,000 for a single plan.
Man, do any UAW member plans actually cost that much? That's a lot for a family plan. Ours is about 1/2 that and it offers good coverage with unlimited life time benefit.
Evidently those plans are costing that much or more. The AFL-CIO came out against it big time. I know my Teamster plan that was not so great cost my company about $14,000 per year for just me. I know Congress also wanted to tax the premium paid by the companies as personal income. That was shot down a few years ago. Someone has to pay if this coverage for everyone goes through. Look in the mirror and you will see who. UAW workers will get hit hard as they make a lot of money. This is going to be a tax on the middle class to pay for the bottom 50% of workers. Here is what the UAW says. They want it FIXED. Can't blame it on the GOP as they ALL voted against the bill.
After decades of foot-dragging by lawmakers and opposition from profit-hungry insurance and pharmaceutical industries, health care reform is close to becoming a reality. But our enthusiasm over this landmark legislation is tempered by the fact that it needs a big fix before becoming law. UAW members need to join with other labor activists and call their congressional representatives to fix the bill.
I find it's amusing that UAW oldsters who are making incomes in the upper 25%ile are concerned about a little bit of tax to help pay for the health reform they helped guarantee getting elected with their ads, money, footwork, and other efforts.
Amusing.
Let 'em pay.
Obama guaranteed them their jobs, with GM, instead of letting restructuring occur. Let Obama tax 'em. Heeeheee.
If this doesn't convince US citizens who are independents how partisan and corrupt the democrat party is, nothing will. (Don't both posting to tell me the Republicans are partisan: Bush tried to reach across the aisle and spent money, and spent money, and spent money doing it.)
The United Auto Workers president Ron Gettelfinger told reporters he will be in meetings tomorrow and Thursday in Washington to fight the so-called "Cadillac tax" on more expensive employer-sponsored health care plans.
President Barack Obama was to meet with union presidents today on the issue. Gettelfinger said he was meeting with House Speaker Nancy Pelosi on Tuesday in Washington on the issue. Gettelfinger skipped the meeting with Obama today. "He knows where we are at. We have open communication and open dialogue with him," Gettelfinger told reporters. "Our position's going to be well represented there."
Gettelfinger said he wasn't raising the issue with Pelosi today, but was waiting until tomorrow's meeting in Washington. Gettelfinger praised much of the health care bills and efforts to reform the health system.
"This is the seventh time in the history of our country that we've tried to do something. Hopefully as president Obama said this will be the last time," Gettelfinger said. "We'll get it right."
The conspiracy theories about President Obama's executive order on Interpol are getting wilder by the day.
Invoking no less an authority than Glenn Beck, movie tough guy (and political activist) Chuck Norris has taken aim at Obama's Dec. 17 executive order extending certain "privileges, exemptions, and immunities" to Interpol, otherwise known as the International Police Organization, based in Lyon, France.
As we reported last weekend, thanks in part to the comments of Beck and Newt Gingrich (as well as the National Review's Andrew McCarthy) the order has spawned a rash of conspiracy theories in the conservative blogosphere claiming that Obama has given Interpol (or "the global police force," as the critics like to call it) new powers to investigate and even lock up U.S. citizens.
For another reality check, take a look at this posting—just up on the National Rifle Association's site—which dissects the conspiracy claims about Obama's executive order and concludes they are hogwash.
What does it say about the state of political discourse when the NRA is the voice of reason?
So if the upper middle class workers such as the UAW members do not pay for the universal Health Care, who do you suggest should pay for it? Covering another 50 million people that can't afford HC is going to cost some serious money. Not to mention all the illegals they plan to cover. It is what the UAW campaigned for. Now they can whine about how stupid they were last November.
So if the upper middle class workers such as the UAW members do not pay for the universal Health Care, who do you suggest should pay for it? Covering another 50 million people that can't afford HC is going to cost some serious money. Not to mention all the illegals they plan to cover. It is what the UAW campaigned for. Now they can whine about how stupid they were last November.
One story coming out of DC is that the so-called "Cadillac Tax" on expensive health plans will be exempt from taxation if they were obtained pursuant to a collective bargaining agreement. Read all about it. Yet another reason why a UAW built vehicle will never again sit in my garage.
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One story coming out of DC is that the so-called "Cadillac Tax" on expensive health plans will be exempt from taxation if they were obtained pursuant to a collective bargaining agreement. Read all about it. Yet another reason why a UAW built vehicle will never again sit in my garage.
One story coming out of DC is that the so-called "Cadillac Tax" on expensive health plans will be exempt from taxation if they were obtained pursuant to a collective bargaining agreement
It will take about a milli-second for any employer provided "Cadillac health plan" to be scaled back so it doesn't fall in to the tax. Where will the money come from next? Just more smoke and mirrors out of the idiots in Washington to get their HC bill passed. I was a fan of the idea early on but as more details come out, I'm turning against it.
My voting plans are easy for the next congressional elections, vote for anyone but the incumbent.
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Well a broken clock gives correct time twice a day;)
I don't know. But why have so many customers left over the past few decades? If GM products are as good as you claim, those customers would be still buying GM cars and they wouldn't have less than 1/2 the market share vs 30 years ago.
Maybe you take care of your toys?
With my 07 Expedition, I had trans fluid changed at 30k &60k miles along with transfer case and front rear differentials, air filter every 10k, fuel filter every year, engine oil is change <5k miles, full tune up at 60k along with a coil pack and it still runs like crap with fumes entering the HVAC system and the dealer can't figure it out. I'm over $1,700 into these problem with no answers. Ford and GM are trying hard to make me never buy their pathetic products again. I won't even bring up the Suburban I owned, as it has already been posted, and will only give me heartburn.
I take care of my vehicles, but use them hard too as I tow a boat and travel trailer with them. I had an 01 Nissan Pathfinder that I used to tow my current boat thousands of miles, and it held up much better than these full-size domestic POC. Never had to replace a trans, or had to listen to a whining rear differential, or have an engine that has misfire issues or spark plugs that require $800 in labor to change. It just ran and took all the beating I could dish it.
For your desired niche, I wouldn't argue. That is also where GMs cars are most reliable.
You do recognize, though, that the larger market of UAW-built cars - outside the segment of large, soft sedans - is generally less reliable and inferior to the competition, correct?
Since the large soft sedan segment is a relatively small one, it doesn't matter if those cars are the best. The company (and union) making those cars won't succeed if the broader product line can't be competitive. And that includes the costs of labor and flexibility of labor.
Regards,
OW
Serves them right! Now, stop crying and blaming lawn mowers for your problems,GM.
I assume Howie is all they can afford but if I were in charge of marketing, I'd lay off the retired football players. :P
Regards,
OW
In exchange for deep cuts in wages and benefits, the U.A.W. is to become majority owner of Chrysler, with Fiat and the United States as junior partners. Fiat is to take the major role in running Chrysler; it will provide technical operations, and build at least one vehicle in a Chrysler plant. A new board will be appointed that is expected to include representatives from both companies and the union.
The Lordstown, Ohio, plant will begin making the Cruze this year.
In the 1970s, the factory’s 7,000 workers were so bitter toward management that thousands of Chevrolet Vegas rolled off the assembly line with slit upholstery and other damage. The hostility eventually led to a 22-day strike in 1972 that cost G.M. $150 million, and the term “Lordstown syndrome” became shorthand to describe rebellious American factory workers.
Even when no intentional sabotage occurred, many Lordstown-built vehicles were of poor quality. G.M. had planned to abandon Lordstown, the site of many wildcat strikes, by 2002.
But the plant survived, though dozens of other auto factories did not, and today it is preparing to build a new compact car, the Chevrolet Cruze, that is integral to G.M.’s hopes of becoming a successful company again.
United Automobile Workers’ leaders in Lordstown, Detroit and other cities where clashes with management were once common said they have since decided that their only chance to survive in a global economy is to work with, not against, their employers.
Though many people blame the union for dragging down the Detroit automakers, the companies’ struggles have turned the U.A.W. into one of their strongest allies.
In the process, a new tone of cooperation has emerged at Lordstown.
Well, Well, Well...
Some learn the hard way...
A return to an era of belligerence and brinksmanship is unlikely, said Mr. Strickland, the shop chairman, because job security, a given when Detroit dominated the industry, is now workers’ biggest concern.
“When General Motors had such a big percentage of the market, our fears weren’t there,” Mr. Strickland said. “There wasn’t a trump card that we didn’t pull.”
“Now you’ve got to be careful about pulling those trump cards out because it could be your last. We want G.M. to be successful. We want the U.A.W. to be successful. Making that happen on both sides, that creates security.”
Regards,
OW
That might be true. But buyers might have been more forgiving of those sub-standard products had they been priced accordingly. That would have been 25% or more below the import competition. But it was the intransigence of the UAW that prevented that from happening.
that's too much to ask of GM and its UAW members.
I have written off the bailout money. and I am OK giving them tax exemption status for their cadillac healthcare plans.
All I ask UAW is that they keep their bad influence on themselves.
the only thing more stupid is one's refusal to recognize UAW as a problem for poor quality.
To divorce the UAW from Detroit Auto failure is like forgiving Madoff's family from the scam.
It's the Union that killed the Beast.
Regards,
OW
The UAW would likely say they are necessary to keep the capitalists from enslaving the workers. :shades:
Either way, how the mighty have fallen!
Regards,
OW
Back then I think a trip odometer actually was a big deal! I know they've been out longer, but the oldest car I ever had with one was a 1979 Newport...same car as that St. Regis. I think a digital clock was also standard...at least every R-body Mopar I've ever seen has one.
Another thing the Mopar R-bodies came standard with, is an average defect rate of around 1000-1100 per 100 cars! For 2009, I think the industry average is around 170 per 100. I wonder what the average defect rate for the better Japanese brands were back in those days?
To be fair, that defect rate wasn't necessarily the UAW's fault, as these cars were launched right around the time Chrysler was about to go under, and they were fast running out of money for ANYTHING, let along quality control.
The Japanese brands certainly weren't flawless then, especially in harsh climates...but the engines tended to run and other things acted up...maybe an opposite of period UAW cars.
Who will protect the workers from the UAW in a Non right to work state? A Union can enslave the workforce as much as a capitalist company can. I have gotten into more trouble speaking my mind to Union leaders than to my bosses, all the way to the top. Crossing a Union Boss in a closed shop can get you fired faster than spittin' on your supervisors shoe.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cL9Wu2kWwSY
Better hit the books or end up on the street.
the communists said the same. None of it makes it true.
UAW brought it upon itself and now is the payout time for those guys.
Well, I have lots of sympathy for workers who lost their jobs not because of their fault. those people worked hard and didn't do anything to deserve what tough luck life brought to them. they are decent working people and deserve all of my sympathy and support.
UAW is different. Those guys priced themselves out of a job, on compensation, on benefits, on and off jobs, on quality of work they deliver in their vehicles.
UAW deserves to lose all of its jobs. and the sooner, the faster, and the more severe they lose their jobs, the better it is for the public at large, for the taxpayers, and for the UAW members specifically.
Ford Buys Out UAW
Over the past decade, the U.S. auto sector has seen
employment drop by over half to 547,500 workers as of June,
according to government data.
By reducing the number of older workers on their payroll,
all three U.S. automakers aim to create room to hire new
workers at sharply reduced wages when they need to increase
production.
New UAW hires at the Detroit automakers will make $14 per
hour compared with an average about $28 per hour for older
workers under a round of concessions granted by the union.
Regards,
OW
workers under a round of concessions granted by the union. "
I remember reading an interview of a UAW member back in the early 1990s when he complained about how life was difficult for union members because they had typical credit card bills of $5-6K/month - back then the union was fighting with the big3 and preparing for a strike.
the first reaction I had was that either the companies were crazy paying that much for guys with high school degrees, or those union guys were just reckless spenders.
anyone, be it a person or a business, deserves to be shut out of the market if he or it prices him or itself out of the market.
No amount of taxpayer rescue can help that.
A few years ago the Ford UAW workers in Louisville were complaining loud and long that their health insurance co-pays were going up $5-$10. My heart bled for them...
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Son's: 2018 330i xDrive
No kidding. My supposedly gold plated Union health care plan cost my company $1200 per month up till I retired. My co-pay for an annual physical was about $400. When I opted out we were paying 30% medical and 50% dental. Under Obama care we would get taxed even more. We will probably hear some real screaming from the UAW workers when they find out they are going to subsidize HC for half the workers in the USA, legal and illegal.
PS
I pay $15 co-pay for a Medicare doctor's visit with Kaiser, and consider it a bargain.
revenge is a beautiful thing, isn't it?
the unions have scheduled a meeting with our "let's be honest" politicians Monday to figure out how to con the rest of us again on HC.
That's why I want UAW to go away ASAP.
-Rocky
Good to see you posting. Hope you are doing well.
Did you read them all? I think Marsha left after you did. Not as much fun.
Good to see you back!
This is where I don't understand the griping. IIRC, the "Cadillac Tax" won't kick in unless the plan costs $21,000 a year for a family plan, or $8,000 for a single plan.
Man, do any UAW member plans actually cost that much? That's a lot for a family plan. Ours is about 1/2 that and it offers good coverage with unlimited life time benefit.
After decades of foot-dragging by lawmakers and opposition from profit-hungry insurance and pharmaceutical industries, health care reform is close to becoming a reality. But our enthusiasm over this landmark legislation is tempered by the fact that it needs a big fix before becoming law. UAW members need to join with other labor activists and call their congressional representatives to fix the bill.
http://www.uaw.org/news/features/vw_fst1.cfm?fstId=115
Amusing.
Let 'em pay.
Obama guaranteed them their jobs, with GM, instead of letting restructuring occur.
Let Obama tax 'em. Heeeheee.
If this doesn't convince US citizens who are independents how partisan and corrupt the democrat party is, nothing will. (Don't both posting to tell me the Republicans are partisan: Bush tried to reach across the aisle and spent money, and spent money, and spent money doing it.)
2014 Malibu 2LT, 2015 Cruze 2LT,
I am enjoying it: the UAW invested millions into this party and this administration and this "reform". Now they aren't happy about it?
life is a [non-permissible content removed], isn't it?
President Barack Obama was to meet with union presidents today on the issue. Gettelfinger said he was meeting with House Speaker Nancy Pelosi on Tuesday in Washington on the issue. Gettelfinger skipped the meeting with Obama today. "He knows where we are at. We have open communication and open dialogue with him," Gettelfinger told reporters. "Our position's going to be well represented there."
Gettelfinger said he wasn't raising the issue with Pelosi today, but was waiting until tomorrow's meeting in Washington. Gettelfinger praised much of the health care bills and efforts to reform the health system.
"This is the seventh time in the history of our country that we've tried to do something. Hopefully as president Obama said this will be the last time," Gettelfinger said. "We'll get it right."
http://apps.detnews.com/apps/blogs/autoshowblog/index.php?blogid=547
Invoking no less an authority than Glenn Beck, movie tough guy (and political activist) Chuck Norris has taken aim at Obama's Dec. 17 executive order extending certain "privileges, exemptions, and immunities" to Interpol, otherwise known as the International Police Organization, based in Lyon, France.
As we reported last weekend, thanks in part to the comments of Beck and Newt Gingrich (as well as the National Review's Andrew McCarthy) the order has spawned a rash of conspiracy theories in the conservative blogosphere claiming that Obama has given Interpol (or "the global police force," as the critics like to call it) new powers to investigate and even lock up U.S. citizens.
For another reality check, take a look at this posting—just up on the National Rifle Association's site—which dissects the conspiracy claims about Obama's executive order and concludes they are hogwash.
What does it say about the state of political discourse when the NRA is the voice of reason?
http://blog.newsweek.com/blogs/declassified/archive/2010/01/12/chuck-norris-hunt- s-for-obama-s-secret-vault-as-interpol-conspiracy-theories-get-wilder.aspx
Unlike the UAW, the NRA has always been a clear thinking organization. Looking out for your rights more than any other group.
One story coming out of DC is that the so-called "Cadillac Tax" on expensive health plans will be exempt from taxation if they were obtained pursuant to a collective bargaining agreement. Read all about it. Yet another reason why a UAW built vehicle will never again sit in my garage.
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Wife's: 2021 Sahara 4xe
Son's: 2018 330i xDrive
That is truly pathetic if they make that deal.
It will take about a milli-second for any employer provided "Cadillac health plan" to be scaled back so it doesn't fall in to the tax. Where will the money come from next? Just more smoke and mirrors out of the idiots in Washington to get their HC bill passed. I was a fan of the idea early on but as more details come out, I'm turning against it.
My voting plans are easy for the next congressional elections, vote for anyone but the incumbent.