Waxes and Polishes, Part II

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  • panheadpanhead Member Posts: 1
    My father loved black cars and took very good care of them. One thing he taught me was to get rid of wax swirl marks, add a little corn starch to a bucket of warm water. Using a clean sponge "wash" the car using light back and forth strokes. Rinse, towel dry. Worked every time.

    Someone asked about removing oxidation. Use a little liquid comet on a wet sponge after wetting the car down. It saves a lot of elbow grease compared to polishing and rubbing compounds. It rinses right off. Don't use a lot and don't rub briskly.

    A pure carnuba wax like Classic Car Wax will not stain your trim moulding. You must applu often but is great on motorcycles with all teh trim. A cleaner wax will leave white stains in the moulding and leather, et al. A pure carnuba wax won't. If you have wax build up scrub it out with a old soft toothbrush.

    The softest thing to wash a pampered paint job with? A nice soft cotton diaper. Available almost everywhere.

    Chrome cleaner? Windex or similar product. Chrome is very hard and does not truly polish out. If it is real nasty then spray it with a light oil and scrub lightly with 00000 steel wool. Don't use a green weenie! A light touch is all.

    Want to clean the dust off your vehicle but don't want to wash it? Spray and wipe with lemon pledge! Leaves a nice smell too. Great for those who show cars/bikes/etc.
  • ccstangccstang Member Posts: 3
    Hi everybody,
    I've been e-mailing the Zaino co. I must say I am impressed. I am about to order their products, but I wanted to ask if anyone here has ever tried a product called Boyd's? It is highly recommended in my area, and it is available at Autozone. I have read enough plugs for Zaino to want to give it a try, but wanted to know if anything else out there even compares. Thanks!
  • fastdriverfastdriver Member Posts: 2,273
    ccstang-

    I have been using ZAINO for about a year now. It compares to NOTHING that I have ever used before. I was a NON-believer at first because I thought that NOTHING could shine like Maguiars. I was wrong. ZAINO shines better! Take a look at my pics to see if they'll convince you. Some of the pics are "old", but I'll e-mail you a current pic if your e-mail is listed in your profile. http://www.geocities.com/MotorCity/Flats/7501/

    fastdriver
  • jehaijehai Member Posts: 1
    well, you get 20 people to post messages on a half decent product which gives good short term results and post this on 100 boards and you have a hit product, you then get everyone to buy from just a few people and you have the next best thing, CONTROLLING PRICES, this stuff is easy to make, its cheap synthetic stuff which ruins the environment, and it is overpriced about 2000%, if sal can make money for just 1 year he will be rich, along with his other buddies over there, the test of time is what counts, try it for 10 to 20 years and see if you want to take a chance on your bently or jag. the paint manufacturer's recommend carnauba wax, not zaino crap, sal calls himself a expert, at what?? he gets people to send him others products and then makes up his own version of it from korea, and sells a $1 bottle for 50 times the price. and you get 2000 people on edmunds all rattled up about a new product, well by the time your paint starts to peel off or rust, he will be in the isle of mann relaxing with his millions. Overpriced, supply controlled, cheaply made products never last, when mercedes benz and porsche recommend a synthetic polymer, ill start using it.
  • pblevinepblevine Member Posts: 858
    That is about the most unfair and biased post that I have ever seen. Not a single fact and all subjective half-truths. I have compared Zaino products to a few others myself and have found them superior in every way. But don't believe me.

    If you go back and look at the entire collection of postings on this topic and others, YOU WILL FIND 99% POSITIVE RESULTS for ZAINO products. Folks, us Zaino users are not fools. Go back and look and then judge for yourselves. Critical thinking is the ticket. And when mixed with a little common sense, you'll be able to find more faults with that last post than I could.
  • drscopemdrscopem Member Posts: 83
    Hi:
    - Jason Brooks "jehai@aol.com"
    I have recommended many different products to people. When I do so, it is because I have personally used it. If I say one product is better, I will give my reasons why. If you don't like a product you are obligated to say why.
    Before libeling Sal Zaino, you should give a reason. There are many different polymer sealants available. His is one. I have used it. BMW has said that they have no preference whether you use carnauba wax or polymer sealants.
    Irresponsible flaming not only loses you credibility, it subjects you to the laws of slander and libel. I would be surprised if Sal Zaino's attorneys don't sue. I wish them luck.
  • fastdriverfastdriver Member Posts: 2,273
    jehai-

    What's your problem? Bad day?? Have YOU ever used ZAINO? Who the he__ wants to try it for 10-20 years? How many people keep a car that long? Besides, the manufacturers make sure that they start falling apart/rusting/peeling way before that! GO LOOK at the Chrysler van areas where people are having peeling paint products and their vehicles are NOT 10-20 years old! Better yet, go to http://www.wam.umd.edu/~gluckman/Chrysler/ and read all about it yourself!

    Personally, I DON'T care what you use! I know what my car looks like and the compliments that I get not only about the look of the car, but the shine also! I DON'T spend HOURS rubbing and wiping. Like they say, to each his own! Maybe you should use Nu-Finish. Sounds like your speed.

    I hope you have a better day today then you did yesterday!

    fastdriver
  • pat455pat455 Member Posts: 603
    I became convinced that Zaino was worth a TRY from reading the postings here on Edmunds.

    I became convinced that Zaino is worth USING by trying it myself. Beyond any doubt. It is easy, quick, long-lasting and absolutely stunning.

    My choice. Period.
  • orange606orange606 Member Posts: 32
    Zaino is not costly by a long shot. It works better then any store bought product I have ever used. It sounds like this guy was trying to get a big response. He will get one because there are many people who use, and love Zaino products. In fact I have never heard of anybody who used it and didn't like it. It has been reviewed by many magazines all ways being rated the best. Even there leather care products have been rated as the best. What do you base the BS you posted on? If I remember correctly Chris Parrish was the one who first talked about Zaino on this board. Then left for good reasons. He is still helping people on other boards, and is still recommending Zaino over any other products. Sal Zaino is a great guy. If you ever have any problems you can call, or e-mail him and he will help you. The Distributors are also great people. The other day I spent twenty minutes having a wonderful conversation about detailing with one of them. Jehai, you are a fool, and I hope to never see a post from you again unless you have something intelligent to say.
  • TincupTincup Member Posts: 2
    Thank god i have found people like me. My neighbors think i'm nuts keeping my cars so clean. It's good to know people like me are out there in the world. My 2 cents, Like meguires meddalion until i started using Ziano's, which seems to last about 4 times longer. and 2 coats of Z2, well you all know, seeing is believing. I dust and detail spray my car when i get to my office and when i get home bettween washes. So what if I like a perfect Car?!!!!!! And i do like the Meguires tire gel, if your tires are clean, it works great! Also, Lexol protectant and cleaner for your leather. MAY THE SHINE BE WITH YOU! One more thing, invest $20.00 in the small portable halogen lights you find at home depot or target, really can see every little defect.
  • hagarhagar Member Posts: 12
    has anyone here used zymol vintage wax, or other zymol waxes. i have found them to be great, i hear all the concours winners use them in pebble beach , etc... and so im assuming this is the best stuff out there, zeano makes your car look like its plastic, very funny lookiing, and i want a good deep gloss. tried doing a search in infoseek for zymol and found nothing much. help / comments of users appreciated.
  • fastdriverfastdriver Member Posts: 2,273
    hagar-

    LOL.................

    ZAINO makes your car look like its plastic???????
    That's the funniest thing I've ever read in this
    topic! I doubt that you ever used ZAINO because you can't even spell it!!!!!!

    I LOVE my "plastic" looking car! Take a look. http://www.geocities.com/MotorCity/Flats/7501/

    Maybe you were looking at Hot Wheel cars!!
    LOL......


    fastdriver
  • pblevinepblevine Member Posts: 858
    'Don't know where you heard that one. But it ain't so. I own a dark emerald green Accord Coupe and the paint sparkles due to green on black paint formulation. I need a finish which brings out that sparkling shine. It has to be opitically clear. The answer is Zaino. The Zaino polish layer cannot be seen but it really brings out the shine in depth without adding any color or plastic look. Again, the shine is brilliant, it wears well, and lasts a long time.
  • pedrocpedroc Member Posts: 2
    Ok you Zaino lovers, listen up! I've read the testemonials, the turf wars, the name slinging and it sounds like this Zaino product is worth a shot! I've got a 3 week old Acura 2.5TL (Heather Mist) and I'd like to get started on the right foot and give it a good application of Zaino and see the results....so I call out to the experts...what do I need? Give me the works -- it's a clearcoat paint...I've got to buy this thing in Canadian funds but I love a clean car sooooooo....let's do it!

    Thanks in advance!

    Pedro
  • orange606orange606 Member Posts: 32
    You need to go to the Zaino site, www.zainobros.com , and e-mail or call Sal to find out how to order in Canada. For an excellent FAQ on Zaino products look here Chris Parrish's Zaino FAQ . If you decide to use clay go with the clay magic blue bar. If you can't find it locally, e-mail this guy: Kevin Overall at koverall@i40.net. He has the commercial version of the clay. Which means it costs the same as the retail pack, but has double the clay. For good towels look here http://planetaardvark.magicplace.com/towels/ . Tell us how it turns out.
  • hgileshgiles Member Posts: 66
    Pedroc - Zaino'ed my Heather Mist 98 Accord about a month ago. Great results. Not only did it look good, but when it rains it looks like you Rain-X'ed your whole car. I've never had water bead like this for so long.
  • pblevinepblevine Member Posts: 858
    Great car...I'm trying to talk my brother-in-law into buying it too. If you really want to do the job correctly and really protect your finish, follow the route spelled out by Orange606's post above. He's put it together nicely.

    I'd like to add just a few hints. Do the claying step, your clearcoat will thank you. I'v used the Erazer clay with good results. For your first car wash ONLY, use 'Dawn' dishwashing liquid to remove factory/dealer wax and other contamiants. And wash/rinse your car again after claying. Dry and use a good cotton towel to go over the semi-dry car to remove any water spots and/or swirl marks. Make sure your car's finish is really perfect before using Z1. The little extra effort will be well worth it in the long run.

    Towels: buy 100% white cotton towels with the 'made in USA' label. 99% of 100% cotton towels made abroad contain nylon treads and should not be used. I bought 2 sets of Field Crest on sale. I waited 'til they were on sale so as not to tick off my wife.

    Also, pick a warm dry day to apply the initial layer of Z1. And let the Z1 dry for at least a couple of hours before applying the Z2. And, most importantly, read the hints on the www.zainobros.com and Chris's FAQ as listed - linked by Orange606 above. AND LET US KNOW HOW YOU DID! Good Luck. Bob
  • sboykin1sboykin1 Member Posts: 2
    I was referred to this site by ladyblue from topic 1500. My query to her was on should i wax my new trooper and if so what should I use. Based on a reading of all comments, I shall try the Zaino products.
  • billgiffbillgiff Member Posts: 16
    There is a canadian outlet at (members.home.net/michadam) he will supply you within 1 week of ordering by fax. Check out his starter packages, I missed out, you could save some money. By the way, it's great stuff, but you need a heated garage for winter applications.
  • rhinncrhinnc Member Posts: 66
    They have it for 13.00 for 2 4oz bars. Anyone have any experience with this clay?
  • hargetharget Member Posts: 2
    OK, this is my first time to this particular forum and you guys have me convinced on Zaino. I'm printing out the order form now. One question though. I have a two week old 99' black Mustang conv. and the dealer told me to wax it right away. Do you agree or should I wait a month or so. It beads up really good and it seems like a shame to wax it right away. Also, how often do you wax with Zaino? Thanks in advance!!!
  • fastdriverfastdriver Member Posts: 2,273
    harget-

    The BEST advice is to visit Chris Parrish's ZAINO page. You'll love ZAINO. Don't wait to wax! Do it NOW! Look here- http://www.geocities.com/MotorCity/Flats/6021/zainofaq.html and here- http://www.birdcats.com/articles/zaino/

    Post some pics after you Z it if you can. Bet it's a beauty. Good luck.

    fastdriver
  • pblevinepblevine Member Posts: 858
    I agree, do it now. With Zaino that is. Just to be clear: don't use regular wax products if you're going to apply Zaino, just wait a few days 'till you get your "Z" supply.
  • ruskiruski Member Posts: 1,566
    if you love the way your new Mustang looks now, you will love it much more after applying Zaino.

    P.S. Where did that clown go that had some intelligence (might be a wrong choice of word) on Sal Zaino's underground connections with some cheap Korean wax suppliers? Makes me wonder if it was one of not so successful Sal's competitors trying to discredit him.
  • ssonnetssonnet Member Posts: 27
    Please tell me what you don't like about Nu-Finish? I have been using it for years with positive results.
  • fastdriverfastdriver Member Posts: 2,273
    ssonnet-

    It just doesn't give the same results as ZAINO! If you like it, by all means continue using it. To each his own. Personally, I don't care what anyone uses. I just know what my car looks like using ZAINO. If you like the way your car looks, by all means keep using Nu Finish.

    fastdriver
  • ssonnetssonnet Member Posts: 27
    When you say it doesn't give the same results, what are you referring to specifically?
  • fastdriverfastdriver Member Posts: 2,273
    ssonnet-

    The depth of the shine and that wet-look finish is what I like about Zaino. In addition, the car does not spot after it rains and if the front gets covered with bugs from night driving, they come right off with either a heavy rainstorm or a wash job. This happened just a few weeks ago after returning from North Conway, NH. The front was covered with bugs. Before I could get a chance to wash the car, we had a heavy rain while I had the car out. The next day when I decided to wash the car I noticed that the bugs were already off the front. I also find that tar doesn't seem to stick either like it did on previous cars using other waxes.

    After I wash my car, I take it for a quick drive- about a mile or so- to get the excess water off. When I get back home, it takes two minutes to wipe off what little water remains- mainly on the back part of the trunk. I have a 300M and the back part of the trunk is flat.

    Like I said, if you like other wax, by all means keep using it. To each his own.

    fastdriver
  • ssonnetssonnet Member Posts: 27
    The main reason I asked is because in a previous post (115), you told someone that they should use Nu-Finish because it was their speed (or something like that). Just trying to figure out what that meant.
  • fastdriverfastdriver Member Posts: 2,273
    ssonnet-

    I was referring to jahai message #109- he called Zaino the biggest scam ever and that it was cheap synthetic stuff which ruins the environment and was overpriced about 2000% etc. etc. etc.

    I figured Nu-Finish was in his price range and wouldn't "ruin the environment" since it's not a polymer.

    Have I answered ALL your questions yet? Are you the president of Nu-Finish or a major stockholder? I'm a little confused with the 3rd degree.

    fastdriver
  • pblevinepblevine Member Posts: 858
    When you run your car around for a mile or so after washing, do you pick up any dust? I do.
  • fastdriverfastdriver Member Posts: 2,273
    pblevine-

    I don't go that far! The roads are all paved. I never noticed any dust. It's great! I don't dread washing the car anymore- standing there wringing out the towel, then wiping again etc. As a matter of fact, there is NOTHING to wring out because there is very little water to wipe off after my little trek. I just spread out the towel over my cargo net in the trunk when I'm done.

    Long live ZAINO!!

    fastdriver
  • hgileshgiles Member Posts: 66
    I agree with fastdriver about Zaino. I have used Nufinish and it gets in the door spaces and is harder to buff off than Zaino (which wipes off). It gives my car a better shine, and the water beading is hands down to Zaino.
  • ssonnetssonnet Member Posts: 27
    Sorry to disappoint you fastdriver; no conspiracy here. You expressed some strong opinions and I was trying to get a handle on where you were coming from. Just honest questions to understand the issue better. Thank you for answering my questions.

    I am not married to Nu-Finish. As a matter of fact, I am considering ordering some Zaino to see what all the fuss is about. Sounds like an awesome product.

    By the way, I believe Nu-Finish is a polymer.
  • ssonnetssonnet Member Posts: 27
    Yes, I have problems with Nu-Finish getting stuck in the cracks and leaving a white residue. Nu-Finish is not recommended for plastic. Could Zaino be used on the plastic parts?
  • fastdriverfastdriver Member Posts: 2,273
    hgiles-

    I forgot about the residue- chalky stuff that used to get trapped in all the nooks and crannies. None of that with ZAINO!

    Once someone tries it, they'll know EXACTLY what we're all talking about.

    ssonnet-

    You'll see what all the fuss is about! I was ALMOST as skeptical as you are because I thought that nothing could shine better then Maguiars or be easier to apply or shine more. IF I didn't like ZAINO, I would have made NO bones about telling everyone here. However, that wasn't the case. Let us know if and when you apply it.

    fastdriver
  • ssonnetssonnet Member Posts: 27
    Do you use Zaino on the plastic parts?
  • fastdriverfastdriver Member Posts: 2,273
    ssonnet-

    I use it on EVERYTHING! My car has rubber/plastic bumpers. I use it on the black trim around the doors and the rubber molding on the sides of the windshield. I don't use the Z-2 or never have on the black trim where the wipers are. I use the Z-6 there and on my windows. I don't think that I ever used the Z-2 on the black mirrors, but I Z-2 them too. That's it I think.

    fastdriver Take a look.
    http://www.geocities.com/MotorCity/Flats/7501/
  • macomacomacomaco Member Posts: 3
    On the advise of a post here, I bought a California duster at Costco. It works great. Does anyone know if you can wash them? Maybe this would ruin the magnetic effect.

    Applied Zaino for the first time on a new Accord Coupe. So far it lives up to all the raves. Great shine. The real test will be the longevity in this Hawaii sun.

    Mac Oliver
  • fastdriverfastdriver Member Posts: 2,273
    macomaco-

    I have a CA car duster that I have had for YEARS. I think I bought it when I had my 1990 Riviera. I have NEVER washed it. I believe the directions said that it could be washed, but that it might lose some of its effectiveness. I also read somewhere that the dirtier it got, the better it was. I do not use it everyday, but it is dirty. I just shake it out good while using it. After all these years, it still has that same "school custodian" cleaning smell to it even though it is just kept in its black case in the trunk. It still works like a charm for me.

    fastdriver
  • joathletejoathlete Member Posts: 25
    Hello,

    I just purchased my Meguirs liquid wax and the mist and wipe for when it rains. Any special directions before i start and did I get something thats going to enhance my 1999 Mits Galant ES.
    Comments--
  • binubinu Member Posts: 81
    I exhausted my supply of meguiars and this time I thought I would try Zaino.
    I ordered mine last week .. Should get it today ..!!
    I ordered the Z1,Z2,Z6 and Z12(glass polish).

    Now I have a question to anyone who does this.
    Is it okay to use meguiar's wash-soap or should I be using zaino's Z7 ?
  • pblevinepblevine Member Posts: 858
    I think you should use Dawn to remove the old wax prior to using Zaino for the first time. Afterwards, use Zaino Z7 Car Wash. Do not use the Dawn dishwashing liquid after you have removed the old wax. You should also read some of the hints found on the Zaino web sit: www.zainobros.com. Enjoy.
  • julie25julie25 Member Posts: 7
    I have ordered my zaino, and hoping it to be here within the next few days. I know about the Dawn wash first, and even though its a new car I think I'm going to clay it, at least the front and hood.

    From reading all of the old posts it seems like the biggest problem 1st timers have is putting it on too thick and then having a hard time getting it to dry.

    How much do you put on the applicator when you apply it, and how can I tell if I am using enough or too much? i am sure with experience I will figure it out, but if anyone has tips for a 1st timer please share....
  • fastdriverfastdriver Member Posts: 2,273
    julie25-

    Try this site and see if your questions are answered- http://www.geocities.com/MotorCity/Flats/6021/ If not, come back here and we'll see what we can do.

    Aside from using too much, the second biggest mistake is applying it when it's humid out.

    fastdriver
  • binubinu Member Posts: 81
    thanks for the response ..!!
    my question was ...
    After I switchover to using zaino(Z2 and Z6) is it ok to use meguairs wash-soap to wash my car every week OR does it harm the Zaino finish...? Am I not supposed to use any wash-soap other than Z7 ..?
  • pblevinepblevine Member Posts: 858
    The truth is I don't know. I would use the Z7 but if you still have some of the Meguairs stuff around, you might try e-mailing Sal Zaino via his web site. He's very helpful and would know how his product would react.

    Julie25: About the amount of Z1 to put on an applicator. Someone on this topic recommended that we draw an "X" on one side of the applicator with Z1 and then apply it. I tried this method and it seems to work. I try to cover an entire panel with a single "X" and then repeat the process for the next panel. The final authority on this subject is Chris Parrish and fastdriver was kind to list Chris's site in Post #155 above. I think Chris maitains a Zaino FAQ on that site and it contains many good hints.
  • SporinSporin Member Posts: 1,066
    If ZAINO is supposed to be the best thing on the planet to protect your car, then I doubt that Meguiar's Car Soap is going to do anything to it. I'm sure it's a heck of a lot cheaper then the Zaino car soap as well.

    If "Sal" tells you otherwise, he probably just wants to sell you his stuff.

    Just my opinion.
  • pat455pat455 Member Posts: 603
    It probably IS true that some other car wash will not hurt Zaino. But the Z7 is designed to work as part of an entire system and will enhance the Z2 coat you are washing. I've seen this for myself and would never wash my Z'd TL with anything else.

    I can understand that people may think Sal recommends his own products simply to make money, but you can't make a fair judgment of ANY set of products without trying them yourself. Of course Sal believes in his products, would you expect anything else? I have seen him recommend products he appears to have no investment in as well, by the way.

    Try the Z7. Try the Meguiars wash. Make your own decision. I would bet that you will like the results of the Z7 better, but you won't know if you don't try it yourself!
  • gmw2216gmw2216 Member Posts: 12
    Last week I washed my wife's car with Dawn and then according to the instructions, used "the same soapy water you washed the car with" for lubrication. About half way through the job my Erazer became very soft and ineffective. I e-mailed the company and they said only use car washing soap or their lubricant,and that the Dawn caused a chemical breakdown of the clay. BTW, I really liked the way Erazer cleaned the car. Hope this helps someone.
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