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http://www.autoblog.com/2007/07/17/sema-preview-toyota-to-unveil-2009-corolla-heavy-duty-tundra-a/
DrFill
Probably right back through the floor that isn't going to be waterproofed enough.
I bet we see some sort of half convertible like the old Sidekicks and 2 door Rodeos.
2 door RodeosAmigosFor most of the model run it was indeed called the Amigo.
They really wanted to know hwat type of top they should use.
Don't remember what I told them, but I got $50, so I must've got it right. :shades:
DrFill
drfill - those marketing studies are profitable. I'll be in one next Monday, $150 for an hour or so at lunch time. Sweet. :shades:
DrFill
Just avoid the experimental medical studies.
I once did a Pizza Tasting Study, AWESOME!
Had to eat 7 small pieces of pizza and offer my opinion, then they paid me $75. I'd have done it for free! :shades:
mmm, pizza.
DrFill
DrFill
The Japanese operator of a nuclear power plant stricken by an earthquake earlier this week said Wednesday that damage was worse than previously reported and that a leak of water was 50 percent more radioactive than initially announced.
For the third time in three days, Tokyo Electric Power apologized for delays and errors in announcing the extent of damage at the plant in this northwestern coastal city, which was struck Monday by a magnitude 6.8 earthquake. The company also said that tremors had tipped over “several hundred” barrels of radioactive waste, not 100 as it reported Tuesday, and that the lids had opened on “a few dozen” of those barrels.
The Japanese have more serious problems than a piston ring. The truth is they knew about these faults in 1980 when they built the nuclear reactor. They decided they were inactive.
The Asahi newspaper said inspectors had reportedly identified four fault lines in the area while conducting a geological survey before work began in 1980 but concluded that they were inactive.
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So it seems like a lot of people disagree with your subjective opinion on the styling.
The latest RAV4 that you find unattractive closed the gap a bit.
1. High starting price (if you see one on the lot, expect to start at $23k)
2. No incentives, and little mark-up for negotiations. It sells well, and I believe Toyota uses it as more of a profit center than a volume model. Highlander is more sold on volume.
The Hybrid has definitely helped the Ford. Escape is up 3%, but this redesign pales in comparison to the Rav4, and the Rav4 is making up ground quickly. Escape is #17 in US sales, Rav4 #18. I KNOW Rav4 can make up 5k units in six months.
It won't catch the CR-V, doh.
The Rav4 can do things the other two cannot, but you gotta pay to play.
DrFill
Hybrid power rules!
DrFill
GM should be ashamed of that mileage. I bet a non-hybrid Altima does better than 24mpg. :mad:
I don't think Toyota would've released a Camry Hybrid unless it was 20-25% more efficeient than the 4-cylinder, under any circumstances.
DrFill
yeah pick the camry or the altima and in 18 quick years you will have saved enough gas to make up the difference in price.Sounds like a no-brainer to me :sick:
We'll admit that it would take more than 18 years to recoup the price difference between the Altima and Aura in fuel-cost savings alone. (We're using the current average U.S. fuel cost, a rate of 15,000 miles per annum and the same observed fuel economy we achieved — 31.5 and 24.5 mpg, respectively.)
I don't think that China will ever allow Toyota to get very big in their country. They have a much longer memory than we do.
Tundra sales rise (faster).
Pain or pleasure?
DrFill
But Toyota's down years are the domestics Mardi Gras.
What's important is Toyota hasn't gotten smug. They are working hard to improve, and stay in front of the pack. They know they have some things to work on, and that's what will fuel their ascent.
Not that there are many places left to conquer.
DrFill
What's important is Toyota hasn't gotten smug
Toyota wrote the book on smug. And Toyota dealers have written the book on arrogance with a little help from the Honda dealers.
When was the last time Toyota gave incentives on the Camry in its first year of release? Right now they are selling very close to invoice. Does not leave much for the dealers. I think it is Karma for all the gouging they have done on popular models. You got to wonder if they will ever be able to sell the Tundra at a profit. What with $5083 on the hood they are looking like a fire sale in their debut year.
I was the Ghost Writer on smug at Toyota. Toyota had nothing to do with it. Buyers lump dealers into two categories: Smug or desperate. I vote smug. Shoot me. Always work from a position of strength. Always! If you want desperate, go across the street. I got what you need.
Anybody, even you, can get a car close to invoice. Not exactly splitting the atom.
Every Tundra sold is one less Silvy sold. Period. Pretty easy to sell against, actually. Money right off GM's bottom line. I practically have my hand in GM's pocket! :surprise:
What is important is people want to see Toyota's invoices. They may have to settle for a domestics, doh.
I make you laugh. I amuze you..... Funny how? :mad:
DrFill
I am just going by Edmunds on the incentives for Camrys. Says $500 off after dropping the price close to invoice. Maybe buyers in your part of the country do not check Edmund's to get the latest scoop on the late great Toyota car company incentives. They want that number one so bad they would give away cars to get it.
How are you funny?
Your desperation to pull Toyota out of the doldrums is absolutely hilarious.....
DrFill
You better get out on the lot. You gotta sell 20k of them puppies per month to make the king of Toyota in his castle happy. You don't want him to come to America with that big Samurai Sword and start chopping and hacking.
Though he needs to with the horrible Customer relations ratings, Toyota dealers have.
http://www.articleblast.com/Auto_and_Trucks/General/Toyota_needs_More_Discounts_- - - - - - for_its_Tundra/
Last June, the average Tundra price or the price which customers actually pay including incentives has reached $33,605 according to Edmunds.com. The Santa Monica, California-based company also added that the average price for Ford's F-150s was $29,657 while for GM's Silverado 1500s its $29,151.
I guess everybody's buying $40k Tundras for $35k? GM is blasting corks if they unload a LTZ! You've thought this out beautifully.
All this paragraph says is:
"I try to get all the truck I want at Toyota, and then if it doesn't work out (the monthly payments), I'll get the Chevy."
Toyota is making a tidy sum next to The General. No sweat. And sales are still rising. 10k in March. 13k+ in April. 17k+ in May. 21k+ in June. :surprise:
DrFill
From your article:
The Japanese automaker last June has began giving discount reaching as much as $3,500 for the 2007 Tundra that is four months after the truck was release for sale. Tundra's list prices range from $22,290 to $41,850. Edmunds.com has estimated that the average Tundra incentive that Toyota has given last month reaches $5,083 which is more than from what GM and Ford has offered for their large pickups.
It proves you can sell ANYTHING if you discount it enough. Even a ugly Tundra!
This reminds me of the arm races during the Cold War between the US and former USSR. Anyone remember the outcome...
One guy blinked and another guy took all the credit. :shades:
Reagan wasn't such a bad guy in the end at all.
Because one extra Tundra sold is one less F150/Silverado/Ram for the domestics
The facts are in. The biggest segment buying the new Tundra are previous Tundra owners. It looks like they did steal a few from the Titan. How many upgraded from smaller Tacomas etc? Dodge Ram has actually gained in what is considered a down market for PU trucks. That leaves a very small amount of turncoats from GM & Ford.
How much is Toyota willing to spend to make the Tundra a success is the question? If they maintain the 20k plus sales for the next 6 months they will have reached their 200k per year goal. Time to sit back and watch. How many foo foo truck buyers are out there?
If those people do not buy Tundra they'll just go out to buy F150/Silverado/Ram (okay maybe even Titan but that's like a non-factor) regardless what they previously own. The fact that the new Tundra is doing better than the old one shows that not ALL the new Tundra buyers are coming from the old one.
I don't know how much Toyota is willing to spend but all I was saying is that they can afford to because they are in much better situation than the domestics. The half-tons are the bread and butter for the domestics (especially GM and Ford), without it they are done for. However, as for Toyota, this is almost like a pet project for them. Regardless successful or not of the new Tundra, Toyota as a whole isn't heavily depend on it unlike the big 2.5. Thus any success with the new Tundra is Good for Toyota and that is an approach the GM and Ford don't have the luxury to have.
Things started out as just Toyota owners trading up, but now, as the trucks are hitting the street and word of mouth grows, domestic owners are getting the idea this is something to be looked at, and driven.
And the ad campaign is very effective. :shades:
When I sold, I was straight up, and said Toyota wants these trucks out on the street, to build word of mouth. Toyota's sell on word of mouth, not incentives. You're in the right place, at the right time. Toyota built a great truck, and they feel a need to push it, which is not generally the case at Toyota. Usually if they build, they will come.
The full-size truck world runs on incentives now, so Toyota can play that game, they'd prefer not to.
If the domestics want to throw money around, they can't say anything when Phil Hellmuth hits the table. They just got bought out of their own game. Who's fault is that? :surprise:
DrFill
DrFill
By that logic just pick a non-hybrid Aura. Better yet a 4 cylinder Altima or Camry, which will probably get better mileage than the Aura hybrid.
What's the point of a hybrid if mileage is lousy to begin with? It just plain shouldn't exist! It serves no purpose whatsoever.
The other hybrids will use 50% less imported oil, and enjoy more range. Drive farther and you can find cheaper gas, I've found (*).
-juice
* I have a Miata (250 mile range) and a Sienna (400+ mile range). In the Miata, I'm always low on gas near home, at inopportune times. Gas is $3.23 in Potomac, only a few pennies less in DC, so that's what I pay. I've had the van since 5/22 and have not paid $3 for gas so far. It goes so much farther on a tank of fuel that I can afford time to shop around and find better gas prices.
Range saves you money. About 10% in my case.
Gagrice, I'm sure the Domestics would love for one of their mid-size sedans to sell as many units as the Camry does each year.
So, did you take into account what incentives competing mid-size sedans that are going up against the Camry have? So they are selling close to invoice? I don;t see what the big deal is about that. Most cars sell for 300-500 dollars over invoice(depending on the dealer holdback) unless you are buying a Mercedes.
I;m sure GM has to hand out more incentives to unload Cobalts and 07 Malibu's than Toyota does Corolla's. In addition your saying GM owners are too smart to be fooled by big ad and incentives campaigns well GM did give alot of incentives a few years ago to unload their cars off of lots but at the same time I do understand that the GM of 2007 has a different pholisophy than the GM of 2004.