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Yeah but didn't Chrysler have to offer even more incentives on the Ram in the month of June than Toyota offered incentives wise on the Tundra in order to move Rams out of Dodge dealers lots?
http://www.edmunds.com/insideline/do/News/articleId=121824
Is it me, or does anybody else get the feeling people aren't diggin' the new Silverado?
Seems like another new truck has caught there fancy.
DrFill
By the way a 1/2 ton PU is not what most real truck drivers buy. They get 3/4 ton or 1 ton diesel trucks. Check the stats if you don't believe me.
Oh, and the Silverado is just plain fugly. Haven't seen too many of those pigs in N.E. thankfully.
General Motors' all-new pickup trucks have been facing tough competition from an equally-new Toyota Tundra, as well as heavily discounted Dodge and Ford models. GM's heavy duty models, in particular, have seen the biggest drop in sales, due in part to high gas prices, according to the automaker. Now, GM is looking to slow down production at its Pontiac, Mich., plant in order to reduce the automaker's unsold inventory.
Shame on Edmunds for saying it would take 18 years to break-even when they're not comparing similarly equipped models.
The Aura was $23k, you can actually get a Camry hybrid for $27k, not 30 plus. 30 plus gets you a loaded up leather model like Edmunds tested.
The Camry failed to impress anyone except Motor Trend.
Uhhhhhh, the record number of buyers taking delivery each month don't count?
Based on this statement alone the rest of it is....
I have the facts. Wanna see them? It's not pretty?
Albuquerque?
Must be doing something right...
If I am going to get a practical family car then it is going to be something that is fun to drive and hatch/wagon body style.
Here's some from the Automotive News:
Sales of Big Pickups, January through March
2007 2006
GM total 200,505 191,375
Ford total 173,879 203,399
Dodge Ram 91,313 90,386
Toyota Tundra 29,186 31,825
Nissan Titan 18,847 21,277
Here are some randon quotes from various news sources:
Toyota Motor continues to increase discounts on its new full-size pickup, the Tundra, another sign that it is not cutting into the profitable truck market as much as rival automakers had feared.
Analysts say they are surprised to see such heavy incentives on a vehicle that went on sale less than two months ago, but Denise Morrissey, a spokeswoman for the automaker, said that such offers were “just part of how you do business.”
So far the Tundra, which was redesigned to be bigger and brawnier, has fallen short of its publicity. Toyota, known for its commitment to vehicle safety, suffered a mild embarrassment last week when the federal government gave the Tundra a four-star rating in frontal crash tests — one star fewer than all competing models made by Detroit.
Changing everything, baby. Changing everything.
Doesn't seem very reliable or pertinent to what is happening now.
Yes, those numbers are factual but outdated. You do know that the new Tundra debuted around February of this year right? So basically the number you posted for Tundra is largely consisted of by the old Tundra.
January through March...
Cracks me up. :P
Hey, if you got some January through June numbers I'd be more interested.
Since it doesn't matter what's happening now...
What they failed to leave out was that the H3 was only available for a few months the year before so they were comparing a few months of sales to almost an entire year of sales. They also conveniently left out that when you only really sell one model, the H1 doesn't count as it never sold in large numbers and was being discontinued at the time, when you introduce a second model of course sales are going to go up. All of those H3 sales manged to make up for the lost H2 sales and them some at least temporarily.
F-series 181,559
Silverado 158,181
Ram 93,944
Tundra 59,654
Sierra 51,503
Titan 14,226
If anyone is looking for me, I'll be at the ski slopes getting a few runs in...
1st Quarter 29,186
2nd Quarter 59,654
Nah, no increase there. Just over 100% or so. Mumble mumble.
The Tundra is DOOOMED I tell ya! LOL
The Tundra is still a ways from matching the "big boys" in sales but beating out the Sierra should at least be a confidence booster...
What the heck happened to Nissan? :surprise:
The Titan is near the end of its model cycle, and the reliability problems on the early ones scared off a lot of people who might have bought one otherwise.
I wonder if Toyota can get to 500k with the Camry. They're over 240k going into July. The new Accord could hamper it, but a couple more 50k months may seal the deal.
DrFill
F150........ 355K vs 400K ... -45K
Silverado.. 339K vs 335K ... + 4K
Ram........ 185K vs 183K ... + 2K
Sierra......... 99K vs 102K ... -3K
Tundra....... 83K vs 57K .... + 26K
Titan.......... 33K vs 39K ..... -6K
Totals...... 1094K vs 1116K .. - 22K
It appears on the face of it that the planned contraction by Ford ( closure of Norfolk Assembly ) is driving buyers to Toyota. Some of the Toyota buying may be pent-up demand by current owners but from comments here and at TS the new Tundra may be just too big for most traditional Toyota owners. It's right in the wheelhouse of the Big 3 buyers though.
But here is the scary part as regards GM. The 2007 sales figures above while almost dead even with last year contain a significant portion of 'Classic' GMT800 sales! IOW while the GMT900 which debuted last Sept is a much much better vehicle, to many, thus far it is not selling as well as last year's outdated GMT800.
So what is it about the T900 that the buyers don't like?
Looks like the 5.7 definitely caught the domestics off guard, and when people hit the Toyota lot, that's all they really care about.
I personally liked the '06 Silvy style better. But the interior is quite car-like (if you like GM cars), and light-years better.
The '06 Tundra was quite car-like, and that didn't win it any awards. Truck buyers want to know do you have the guts.
DrFill
As a Ford guy at heart, I must admit the Tundra has struck a chord with me. It looks great (as opposed to those fugly GM'ers IMO, especially the Chevy) and the power and smoothness are top notch. Toyota really did their homework with this one... But to me, it's not so much as how impressive the Tundra is, its that the next F-series has a serious challenge that they must at least match or outdo with their next generation. Knowing them, they definitely can do it because when they put real effort into something, they tend to field a top notch product. But the Tundra has really gave me a new respect for Toyota, in general.
They deserve the success they are having wih it. :shades:
The Ram should send at least 400HP, but Chrysler redesigns haven't been going well at all recently. :lemon:
DrFill
DrFill
Now do your homework!
DrFill
Conspicuous Consumption With Green Illusions
Source(s) please.
I was just talking to the salesman at my dealer and he told me the following rather startling story: He asked me if I wanted to order a Nieman-Marcus edition of the LS600HL. At first I thought he was joking. But he was serious. I responded by stating that there is no way I could get one even if I wanted one since they are all sold out. He said that they were all originally "sold" but evidently there have been cancelled orders (I think he said 180 orders cancelled).
cyclone4, "Lexus LS 600h/600h L" #319, 15 May 2007 11:03 am
So what your are really saying is Lexus, was trying to charge (not just electric current :P ) the customer and make them believe they were doing their part for the good of the enviroment by gettingbetter mpg's when in reality they were actually throwing good money down a drain. :confuse: WOW !!!!
-Rocky
If you want to talk about throwing money down the drain, check posters at your local GM thread for more information.
DrFill
However, gagrice, you still haven't prove that all canceled orders are due to the gas mileage.
If you guys want to compare the gas mileage between LS460 and LS600hL, then might as well comparing the following:
750i and 760i
S550 and S600
The more "reasonable" gas mileage comparison should be:
LS460 vs. 750i vs. S550 (all V8 engine)
LS600hL (V8 hybrid with V12-like power) vs. 760i (V12) vs. S600 (V12)
Let's stick with apples to apples here guys...
Just as reliable as the Lexus, light weight all aluminum body, simpler supercharged V8, handles better, equal highway mileage and unique styling instead of a S-Class knock off.
I don't care about the AWD as I would not be driving a 100,000 dollar vehicle in snow anyway.
Wow, really? Not questioning this nor being critical but do you claim this based on stats like JD and CR or is this something you are seeing this on the dealership/service dept. level? Are you seeing a low frequency of warranty claims/ unscheduled repairs on these cars?
I've just never known them to be that reliable, let alone on the same level as a Lexus.
Never really see them down south at all.
DrFill