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I agree with you about the SUV- a terrible car for a beginning driver. But a great big old Buick or Oldsmobile might not be such a bad idea!
I was thinking about giving my son my LGT in a few years when he starts driving- but I've definitely decided it's not a good car for a young beginning male driver!
tom
Bob
Also, when a heavier vehicle impacts a smaller vehicle, the heavier one "wins" but at the expense of the smaller vehicle. So is there no concern for that vehicle's occupants? Who by the way are probably innocent victims since in any accident involving a teen driver the odds of the other driver being at fault are quite low.
Most experts agree with you that a big old family sedan (like a Buick or Olds) makes the safest choice for a teen driver. Unfortunately they are also the least cool to drive. Given the number of teens driving SUVs, it’s readily apparent who wins that argument ;-(
-Frank
Craig
In a 2-vehicle crash mass helps you, but I'd opt for active safety so my child could avoid a crash in the first place.
The Miata, for instance, is a tiny vehicle, but death rates are average, because you can swerve out of the way. I guess a Suburban might not be able to avoid a crash so it's a good thing it has all that mass!
Death rates for a Corvette or Mustang are awful. Check out crashtest.com, they list the statistics:
http://www.crashtest.com/mitsubishi/ie.htm
Too bad the Monty isn't rated.
-juice
It's a roadster with no integrated rollover protection, so when it does roll (easily done when going offroad no matter the manueverability of a vehicle) the occupants are going to have a pretty high probability of being crushed. Additionally, the Miata gets pretty tailhappy during emergency manuevers by untrained drivers.. Seen it plenty of times and have done it before myself during an autocross, and my ex-wife did it in the middle of a 4 lane freeway.
It probably has more to do with the average operator's age, driving style, and the vehicle's low power output.
~Colin
-juice
When I had my Sequoia I almost got broadsided by a semi running a red light. At that point in time, it really doesn't matter what you're driving!
tom
Cheers Pat.
~Colin
Cheers Pat.
-Frank
Cheers Pat.
When they finally did get it to do what they were obviously setting up, you heard the staff cheer loudly that they had "succeeded".
I guess they proved the obvious - if you drive like an idiot and actually try to roll, then you will. The fact that the Samurai was so flawed just made it an easy target.
-juice
2001 Outback (mine)
1997 Lincoln Towne Car (DH's)
1993 Olds Cutless Ciera (almost 200,000 miles and the daughter in college is driving it right now)
1991 Mitsubishi Montero (about 120,000 miles)
The DH and I both went through divorces 6-7 years ago and those aren't 'cheap'. I changed jobs and ended up back in college where I've been for the past 6 years. I have one daughter who will graduate in May after FIVE years in college. Well ... you get the picture .. these are the vehicles that we HAVE and it's not always about what you'd LIKE to put your kids in for them to drive ...
Do I agree with a lot of what you've said? Absolutely ... Is it always feasible? ... Not at our house ...
I had no car at all during most of my college career, and only bought my first new car once I was half-way through grad school.
How did I get around? On a scooter! In fact I picked up my wife on our first date on a 1984 Honda Aero 125. It could barely go uphill with two people on it.
-juice
-juice
PS That's the wife, must be around 1990 or so
I was behind the camera, probably wearing baggy MC Hammer pants and a Members Only jacket. :surprise:
-juice
In any case, I seriously doubt that the Montero is worth what it would take to repair or replace the engine. Therefore we were just trying to offer helpful advice on what type of vehicle might make a suitable replacement :-)
-Frank
Whew... ain't that the truth. Ok.. well, things seem to be simmering down a bit so, not to shy you guys away from this great place but I'm doing what I can to bring some sanity back to NABISCO.
There's a rumor about the 2007 Leg Spec B... from what I'm hearing, someone leaked some legit info...
If it were me, and let's say that installing a junkyard engine myself is not an option, I would get a new beater rather than mess with the Montero as most are suggesting.
~Colin.
I really like that read leather, I made the mistake of sitting in one at the dealer last week...yummy!
-juice
ok ... the word from the garage was quite expensive ... he had it towed to a coworker's house (who has done some work for him in the past) ... he was under instructions to do 'minimal' work in replacing the timing chain and then to see if the truck would run or not ... it's done and ready for us to pick up at a fraction of what the garage would have charged ... and at a price to make it feasible for the kid to have a vehicle to drive again ...
where we live it's almost exclusively used on city streets where the speed limits are in the range of 35mph .. do I think he goes faster than that at times? .. absolutely .. but he is not driving in a big city/ freeway / heavy traffic type of situation ...
and the bottom line is .. vehicles are really only as safe as the people operating them ...
I don't think I really took umbrage at anything anyone said ... and remember .. many of us made it through childhoods where a car seat was a seat that hooked over the back of the bench seat to put us up high enough to see out (and be thrown through the windshield in case of a crash) ... no adult seatbelts .. and a dashboard made of steel so it was more easily washed off after an accident ....
I also think that people today can get a little too carried away when it comes to safety features. Makes one wonder how anyone survived an accident back in the day ;-)
Of course I also marvel how any male driver survives past the age of 25 (yours truly included). I know that luck has to play a large role because cars, testosterone and youthful feelings of invulnerability make for an extremely dangerous combination.
-Frank
-Frank
:sick:
Steve, Host
Cheers Pat.
For anyone in that age bracket in the last 10-15 years, I like to attribute it to thousands of hours of video game experience to fine-tune our motor skills before even getting behind the wheel of a real car (yours truly included).
And people say they rot your brain...
Doug
-juice
Anyway, I'm just sitting back now hooked up to a cold therapy machine and waiting for the anethstesia to wear off.
Ken
Get well soon Ken.
Jim
Cheers Pat. :sick:
Bob
Luckily, the procedure confirmed that my ACL is still in decent shape and that I don't need to worry about the future of my running.
It hasn't been too bad. As promised, I am able to bear my full weight on my leg and hobble around. If all goes well 4-6 weeks until I'm back and running.
Now if that iMac would hurry and show up already, I would have something to do to pass the time.
Ken
Craig
Actually, I sprained my ankle last year, and I still wonder if it's 100%.
-juice
Best wishes for a swift, and painless recovery.
Mark
The geezers on staff helped the Audi A4 get the overall nod, but only if you're not price-senstitive. Otherwise Subaru mopped up the competition, and we're talking about BMW and Lexus, here.
Impressive. :shades:
-juice
They do have 3T MRI's now that are quite powerful and may be able to show more detail than your surgeon is used to. But it certainly is not as good as looking at it with your own eyes.
Good luck again.
Maybe you should consider bicycling?
tom
talk about changing your perspective in a HURRY ...
Brenda
Bob
juice: Yeah, I saw that too and the LGT community is partying. It appears the Mazadaspeed 6 has some heatsoak issues.
Brenda: Sorry to hear about that. That's shocking news.
Ken
Glad to hear that you are on the mend. What did they find/fix???
Speaking of fixed, what was up with Edmunds this weekend?
Steve
I got to do an all-nighter in the ER with Emily last week after her little sister beat her up but good. Em was laying on the floor around 8pm playing with something, Annie was standing and twirling on one of our big, heavy office chairs, and came crashing down (chair and kid) on her chest/abdomen. It only takes a second of inattention by her parents for disaster to happen!!! Knocked the wind out of her pretty badly. As Beth lost her spleen to emergency surgery half a day after an accident many years ago, we thought it best to have her professionally checked out. At 4am we got dismissed. Thankfully nothing on the CT scan. Just some bruises...
Steve