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I kinda browsed the "STi" forum but wanted to talk more about with Subie fans. I guess I can understand the weight savings from no sunroof (but why not at least make it an option) but no heated seats or mirrors as an option? I can't imagine it would add more than a pound! Since Subies are supposed to be driven in inclement conditions (you always see an STi or two up at the ski slopes- with winter tires of course) it would seem a strange decision by Subaru to omit them, even as options.
I'm still looking into something fun to buy, and the STi is pretty high up my list, but no heated mirrors and seats is a big deal in my book here in the Northwest where everything fogs up! (I just like heated seats, they don't help the fog though
Anyway, it seems like a big oversight to me. Maybe I'll have to look at the Evo.
Any other suggestions on something fun and frivolous?
I am looking at the miata, cayman/boxster, S2000, G37, Elise, and maybe a 335i.
Any other helpful suggestions? They're all great cars, I've already test driven half of them.
tom
tom
-Frank
Miatas are a wonderful 2nd car. Love mine. It could simply not function as my one and only car, though. Mine stays parked when it snows, too.
A lot of the cars you mention would be the same way - great as a 2nd car. Either buy a beater for the rest of the time, or buy a used one and keep your current ride.
My #1 Suggestion?
If you get a multi-car fleet, choose cars that complement each other. One small, one big, one RWD, one AWD, one sporty, one practical.
If you choose just one car, get something well rounded, i.e. a sporty AWD hatchback would be much better than a roadster. Better yet, get a Forester Sports XT.
I wonder if the new Canadian STi's lost the seat heater. We always had them up here.
Juice, that's great if it comes out next year, but why not now? Is there a shortage of heated mirrors and seat heaters?
The 335i is a nice car, but just a little too common for me. I see more 3 series than I do Camrys! I'd also like something that handles a little better too- something with a little bit of an edge.
I'm still planning on test driving an Elise- that should be fun!
tom
This is classic Subaru. They should change their slogan to: "Unfinished Business, that's what makes a Subaru a Subaru."
Bob
-mike
Oh well, it's not like the elise has heated mirrors or seats either. And I can always get the seat heaters installed aftermarket.
tom
-Frank
With an Audi TT roadster 3.2L, you get AWD, 6 spd tranny (paddle shifter optional), and heated seats.
Jim
It's human nature. Subaru is darned if they do, darned if they don't.
By offering the first-year STI without those price-padders, they can keep the price in the 30s (sound much lower, doesn't it?). And it continues to be a performance bargain, relatively speaking.
By next year, they phase in all the extras, let the price creep over $40k, but by then all the publications have already done their reviews and the price tag won't grab headlines and cause hysteria.
Buyers can pick and choose their preferred options, negotiate the price down, and still pay a price in the 30s.
Yeah, I know, you're paying for the designer label with the Audi (as if that matters...).
Bob
Audis can break $40k without the same hysterical reaction because they have the S8, R8, RS6, etc.
Jim, when I first quickly looked at your post I thought it read "Audi Toaster"
I'm also not looking for a one car does all, but I do like the Turbo Forresters Frank. BTW, do you still really love your MB? They do make nice cars!
I emailed SOA asking them about the heated mirrors and seats- they politely replied they'd pass it on to product planning. I'm sure they'll listen.
Juice, I doubt heated seats and heated mirrors would add more than a hundred dollars to the price of the car. The sunroof I can see as not needing now and maybe not pushing $40k (but if you really option an STi out it will go over $40k)
Anyone spend any time in the new G37? It's a great engine, albeit a little bit heavy of a car.
tom
If you're the snow belt specialist, offer it on EVERY car. Without exception!
Daniel is spoiled & doesn't know it, although he continues to lobby to drive the '99. Something about the moonroof & leather, but neither is a particular advantage in this weather!
Cheers!
Paul
Juice, hopefully everything going well, I'd like to open by Fall - Winter 08.
I will let you guys know for sure when, since I've already learned this process takes time and you're at the mercy of contractors, banks, county, state, etc.
tom
she had a six hour surgery between 3 and 9 AM on Thursday morning .. she came through surgery and is "stable" .. she has lost the function of one kidney due to the lack of blood flow prior to the surgery, etc. .. we do not yet know the extent of any brain damage due possible/likely blood/oxygen deprivation ..
we were there on Friday morning, and all day Friday she was "motionless" and nonresponsive .. she has a history of being very very slow to awake from general anesthesia in prior operations with no lingering effects ... on Saturday she was moving some and was in a 'lighter' state of 'sleep' .. she seemed uncomfortable at times and moved as if she were trying to find a better position .. she also turned her head and moved her hands when my husband or I called her name yesterday so she is at least responding to stimulus ... she is on a ventilator and what looks like about a dozen IV solutions .. she has drains and tubes everywhere .. she is 75 years old but a strong and feisty woman who still actively works like a demon 24/7 ..
her daughters are in Texas and I do know the struggles they are having at the moment as to whether to come immediately or wait to come when she may be home and needing much more help ... (felt the same things when my dad was critically ill a few years ago)
we could use some prayers and positive energy around here ....
oh .. and she'll be as mad as a wet hornet when she comes around and finds out that she can't smoke and have her coffee ... and she'll have to be on drugs for the rest of her life ... we have warned the nurses that once she wakes she'll be telling them what they've done wrong, how they should have done it, and what they need to do next ... lol .. and we'd love to see her sit straight up and "straighten us all out" ...
They have cut back on one of the heart medications, and may try taking her off the ventilator tomorrow ...
Long time no talk.
Hopefully things continue to improve and the hornet comes buzzing out of the nest ready to "fight".
DaveM
Sending good thoughts your way. You know everyone here is praying for a good outcome.
Bob
If her nurses have the right stuff, they'll be delighted to see her in her 'feisty' norm
Prayers & best wishes here to there...
pdh
Charlie
-Frank
tom
Tom- Yes I’m still very much enjoying the SLK and can happily report no problems thus far
As for a good choice for you what about a 2008 BMW M?
-Frank
More well wishes for your mother-in-law. She sounds like a fighter; know that you and her are in our thoughts.
Mark
Given that's now a seperate option, the new Limited model will surely cost extra. Figure $2 grand at least.
I thought about an M3, but the reviews haven't been the greatest- I feel like a 335i would be almost the same, and lighter on it's feet.
I just have this stigma against BMWs for some reason. I think they're great cars, but I don't want to be driving one. Case in point, why is it that young guys driving BMWs are jerks? I was going through a 4 way stop. I was stopped before this guy in a black BMW coupe gets to the stop sign, he guns his engine and goes part way through the stop as I'm slowly starting, stops, glares at me, and then goes. (he was wearing sunglasses while it was cloudy and rainy too!) What is that?
I know I'm generalizing, and I'm sure there's one or two young guys in the whole country that drive BMWs and aren't, but it's certainly my perception.
tom
FYI, here's what the Edmund's reviewer had to say about the M Coupe/Roadster:
The BMW M is where muscle-car manners meet European sensibility. The resulting clash of personalities results in one of the most engaging and responsive sports cars under $55,000.
-Frank
tom
Cheers Pat.
-mike
Glad to hear some good news. Our thoughts are with you and your family, as always.
Serge
-Brian
Old joke:
What's the difference between porcupines and Corvettes?
Porcupines have pricks on the outside.
Makes me remember twenty odd years ago when they came up with that OTC diet product called AYDS?
"Want to lose weight?....get AYDS!" Worst timing evaar!
My thoughts and prayers to you and your family.
Jim
when she does "come up" closer to being awake she tends to cough and look very uncomfortable and he told the nurses that it's not just the surgery ... it's the nicotine withdrawal !!
yesterday the kidney output was so much better one nurse commented that either that one kidney was really 'making up the difference' or there was filtering from the "dead" kidney ...
physically she seems to be making progress but I know it's wearing on family that she's not really responding much at all to them as of yet
I'm a relative newcomer to this family (within the last 6-7 years or so) but she has always treated my children, grandchildren, and me just like "one of her own". Doesn't mean we've never "butted heads" over anything, but she has a huge heart and is a generous woman who would do anything for her family ...
thanks for all the caring ...
Brenda
MNSteve
I don't remember that product, but I agree, how aweful of a name especially at that time!
tom
It sounds like she's recovering nicely and it will certainly be days and days, but have hope and pray she will recover fully. Maybe she'll even quit smoking!
tom
This is the hardest part when family comes to visit and you see her with all the tubes and on the ventilator. It does sound like she is getting better, albeit slowly. It takes time from something like this. Just have patience and knwo we're pulling for her and you.
Mark
When I come back, it's just in time for the 48hrs run!
Mark