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My Salesperson Misled Me

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  • joel0622joel0622 Member Posts: 3,299
    A plan and Z plan are the exact same price. A-plan is for an active Ford employee and Z plan is a retired Ford employee. The only way you qualify is if you or a family member works for or is retired from Ford. It works out to be about 4% less then dealer invoice.
  • lrguy44lrguy44 Member Posts: 2,197
    For us, A and Z is invoice (we then get 4% from LRNA) and X Plan is 4% over invoice. X is passed along to some companies that have a relationship with Ford and a PIN number is required for all 3 plans.
  • mako1amako1a Member Posts: 1,855
    I just said Z Plan thinking there was no such thing and that was what they called the poor schlump that paid full price. However, do you get what I'm saying about everybody gets a special deal except me and that's why I never bought Ford?
    If walmart had a special plan for everybody except me I wouldn't shop there either. It's just that I like a level playing field for everybody including me. But, alas I suppose I got screwed on many of the GM products I bought over the years as well. It's just that I never heard of any special GM plans so that's where I went to buy.

    2013 Mustang GT, 2001 GMC Yukon Denali

  • lrguy44lrguy44 Member Posts: 2,197
    All manufacturer's have special pricing for employees, family and vendors. It is also the dealer's choice to honor that deal on a car. On a hot demand car (MSRP or more) it is a level playing field.
  • joel0622joel0622 Member Posts: 3,299
    Next time you are in the market and want to look at a Ford shoot me a message and I will hook you up. Not talking about you buying one from me. I will hook you up with what you need to buy one at cost, no haggle, no hassle. Least I can do for a guy who has owned as many Fords as you have.
  • cccompsoncccompson Member Posts: 2,382
    It sure would be nice if manufacturers similarly recognized such brand loyalty!
  • lrguy44lrguy44 Member Posts: 2,197
    We sometimes get owner loyalty cash from Land Rover - usually $500-$1000. This must be passed on. Plus, in our dealership, previous sales customers always get a loyalty discount.
  • volvomaxvolvomax Member Posts: 5,238
    I just said Z Plan thinking there was no such thing and that was what they called the poor schlump that paid full price. However, do you get what I'm saying about everybody gets a special deal except me and that's why I never bought Ford?

    I'm sorry, but how does rewarding someone who WORKS for Ford affect you at all?

    EVERY auto maker has special deals for certain people.
    So, by your logic,you have been ripped off on every car youhave ever bought
  • lrguy44lrguy44 Member Posts: 2,197
    I don't think private parties offer Z plan
  • volvomaxvolvomax Member Posts: 5,238
    I don't think private parties offer Z plan

    Nope, but they do have the Bro in Law discount :shades:
  • mackabeemackabee Member Posts: 4,709
    Well, you do the numbers. They sell 11000 cars a year and out of those they get complains for 100 or so people? They been fined 750k dollars since 2002. Looks like a drop in the bucket for a dealership with so many locations throughout the US. These companies have high paid lawyers in their payrolls too.
    :)
  • mackabeemackabee Member Posts: 4,709
    The next Expedition killer: Hold on to your Blue Ovals!

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    :shades:
  • isellhondasisellhondas Member Posts: 20,342
    Absoultly correct.

    All some people think about is the price they pay. They run to the stores with the full page screamer ads looking gor a "deal".

    They don't bother checking out the reputation of the store or their salesperson. they don't ask family and friends for a referral.

    They are scared to death they just might pay "too much".
  • jmonroejmonroe Member Posts: 8,989
    However, do you get what I'm saying about everybody gets a special deal except me and that's why I never bought Ford?

    I like you don’t get any “Plan’ prices either but it doesn’t bother me. Guys like us have to do it the old fashioned way but we’re used to that, right?

    I never worked for a car manufacture nor did I work for a company that dealt with any car manufacture hence no ‘Plans” for me. Son # 2 works for a company that deals with the big 3 and is therefore entitled to buy at a “Plan”, which according to him is the best “Plan” you can have while not being an employee. From that I assume there must be a ton of plans that are offered.

    The time comes for him to buy a car and since he can’t find a used one that he wants he goes to a dealer and is given his “Plan” price. It’s very good but he still wants to see if he can find a one year old car of the same model. He looks again but he still can’t find one. So, in conversation, he mentions this to his 3 year older brother and this car geek goes out on the internet and finds one for him, in Columbus Ohio, (this is the tale I told in post 364). Turns out he found his brother the exact car he wanted, right down to the color and last option that son # 2 found at the local new car dealer. To make a long story short, he buys the used car and saves a good bit of money compared to his ‘Plan” price for a new car even when he factors in that it is a year old car.

    So, buying used from individuals surely saved you quite a bit compared to buying with a “Plan” so you shouldn’t feel bad about that at all.

    I don’t know if you were in the military or not but if you were you would know that RHIP.

    jmonroe

    '15 Genesis V8 with Ultimate Package and '18 Legacy Limited 6 cyl

  • lrguy44lrguy44 Member Posts: 2,197
    But if you are buying a new car that is not short in supply, has dealer incentives and rebates, and stand your ground you can sometimes beat A, X, Z or any other plan. Also, in buying used I recommend paying more and getting a certified car from a dealer for the extended warranty. You would not believe the number of people that just bought from a private party that appear at our service door that they need to spend money on the car.
  • jmonroejmonroe Member Posts: 8,989
    But if you are buying a new car that is not short in supply, has dealer incentives and rebates, and stand your ground you can sometimes beat A, X, Z or any other plan.

    I won’t argue with you about this but for those who don’t want to deal with the BIG BAD WOLF this is the way to go. But since you guys don’t scare me no matter how much you HUFF and PUFF, I’ll have to do it the old fashioned way, like always. :D

    In the case with my son, he wanted a certain car equipped his way and while he was still trying to find a used car, the salesman called him about a week later (it was getting towards the end of the month, which I suspect was the reason he called) to see when he wanted to come and get the new car. My son said he was still looking for a used one (he hadn’t talked to his brother yet) and the salesman said he couldn’t give him a better price than the “Plan” price or he would have. I have to think he was telling the truth since he was running out of month to make the sale.

    Also, in buying used I recommend paying more and getting a certified car from a dealer for the extended warranty. You would not believe the number of people that just bought from a private party that appear at our service door that they need to spend money on the car.

    We have been down this warranty path before, haven’t we ? All I can say is, I’ve bought my share of used cars from individuals, knowing full well, I wasn’t getting any warranty and I never had a problem. Maybe I was just lucky.

    FWIW, son # 2 set up a savings account, like I told him, to cover any problems he might have with car repairs and he has been doing this since he bought his first car fresh out of school. Now, my car geek son says he’ll worry about repairs when the time comes. I’m batting 500 with that advice which ain’t too bad. :)

    jmonroe

    '15 Genesis V8 with Ultimate Package and '18 Legacy Limited 6 cyl

  • lrguy44lrguy44 Member Posts: 2,197
    As I see the Service Dept repair bills all the time I am a believer in warranties - to each their own
  • jmonroejmonroe Member Posts: 8,989
    ...to each their own

    I think that's the way we left it the last time. :)

    jmonroe

    '15 Genesis V8 with Ultimate Package and '18 Legacy Limited 6 cyl

  • fezofezo Member Posts: 10,386
    Yo! If you wanted to show the real Expedition killer you should have put up pictures of an Expedition!

    They don't need any help self destructing. :sick:
    2015 Mazda 6 Grand Touring, 2014 Mazda 3 Sport Hatchback, 1999 Mazda Miata 2004 Toyota Camry LE, 1999.
  • stickguystickguy Member Posts: 53,344
    Yup. Watching gas cruise past $3.00 again makes me want to run out and get one of those 3 ton 10 mpg beasts.

    good thing Toyota is the green company!

    2020 Acura RDX tech SH-AWD, 2023 Maverick hybrid Lariat luxury package.

  • obyoneobyone Member Posts: 7,841
    Toyota green? Not according to environmentalists.

    http://www.consumeraffairs.com/news04/2007/10/toyota_mpg.html
  • stickguystickguy Member Posts: 53,344
    that was a joke son, a joke!

    2020 Acura RDX tech SH-AWD, 2023 Maverick hybrid Lariat luxury package.

  • mackabeemackabee Member Posts: 4,709
    It's not stopping the soccer moms or weekend warriors at our store.
    Mack
  • stickguystickguy Member Posts: 53,344
    I wonder what the threshold point is for getting people to downsize. They have also been conditioned to wait out the spikes for gas to settle back down.

    But, in the big scheme of things, their big car isn't high on the list of luxuries to cut, not with Statbucks still cranking out $4 cups of Joe!

    2020 Acura RDX tech SH-AWD, 2023 Maverick hybrid Lariat luxury package.

  • jmonroejmonroe Member Posts: 8,989
    I wonder what the threshold point is for getting people to downsize.

    I don't know nor do I want to find out but I'm afraid it won't be long.

    They have also been conditioned to wait out the spikes for gas to settle back down.

    Yeah, but each time we exhale when the prices drop, they never drop to what they were before the initial kick. Sometimes I think this is the "Great Plan" to get us conditioned to higher prices and to keep us from heading for the bridges at the same time.

    ...not with Statbucks still cranking out $4 cups of Joe!

    Now don't go startin to pick on the yuppies, they have their priorities too, you know. :(

    jmonroe

    '15 Genesis V8 with Ultimate Package and '18 Legacy Limited 6 cyl

  • lemkolemko Member Posts: 15,261
    The local Cadillac dealer has a leftover demo with 7K miles on it. It's a DTS Performance in Black Raven with a Cashmere leather interior with just about every conceivable option. The salesman claims, despite having 7K miles on it, it's considered a new car because it was used by a the sales staff and had never been titled. They're offering 0% financing on it for which I most definately qualify. However, I don't believe I should be paying a new car price for a car with 7K miles on it. I don't think a technicality like having never been titled should cost me X dollars more than if it were a used car. The salesman says that if the car was sold as used, I'd be paying X dollars more in interest as the 0% financing wouldn't apply. What's up? Am I going to be screwed, make out, or just break even regardless of which route I go?
  • jescuejescue Member Posts: 521
    You should get a large discount on it, but they will likely sell it for more than if it were preowned. The zero percent does add value, so if you want to finance it could be a good option. I would aim to pay invoice less any incentives. Is there cash back if you do not take the zero percent.?
  • cccompsoncccompson Member Posts: 2,382
    If it was me, I'd just price it as though it was a used unit. If they can meet such a number, fine, go ahead and buy.

    Bear in mind, though, that depreciation on new Cadillacs is dramatic and, even with zero percent financing, you'll be way upside down for a long time.
  • jb_turnerjb_turner Member Posts: 702
    It may be a "new" car depending upon the laws of your state however you should be able to purcahse this car at "used" car money with that many miles on it...
  • jescuejescue Member Posts: 521
    But it is not used. They paid new car money for it. They may have to take a loss on it at any rate, but with zero percent financing on it it is worth more to someone. You cant get zero percent on a used car.
  • lemkolemko Member Posts: 15,261
    There is $5K cash back, but I believe the financing is something like 6.09% for five years. I think I should do better than that because I have stellar credit. My girlfriend bought her 2005 Buick LaCrosse for 1% financing back in March 2005 before GM had it's 0% blitz. Her credit is also excellent but she makes significantly less than I do.
  • isellhondasisellhondas Member Posts: 20,342
    No good answer for you here.

    I guess if you don't feel good about buying that car you should probably pass.

    With Honda we can't sell a car as "new" if it has over 6000 miles so we have to be careful.

    In the realm of things, 7000 miles is nothing.
  • lemkolemko Member Posts: 15,261
    That's what I'm thinking. I really love Cadillacs, but am aware they drop in value faster than a cinderblock thrown off the Empire State Building. Edmunds TMV pegs the car at around $43K. It sold new for around $55K. Now is that technicality about never being titled worth $12K? I can't justify it!
  • jescuejescue Member Posts: 521
    Well you should not pay anything near MSRP. Figure the value as used and then add something for the 0 percent. FYI the 6% APR is excellent. Anything under 7% is a great rate if it is not subvened.
  • jmonroejmonroe Member Posts: 8,989
    Edmunds TMV pegs the car at around $43K. It sold new for around $55K. Now is that technicality about never being titled worth $12K? I can't justify it!

    Offer what it is worth to you. I would consider it used because that's the way I feel about a car that has 7K miles on it. You have nothing to lose by making an offer. How many times have we heard here "if you don't ask you won't get".

    It's only the middle of the month. What doesn't look good now might look good on the 29 th of the month. If you're afraid it won't last that long, then you'll have to pony up to the dealers price.

    You're the boss on this since it's your money but it is their car. At least for now.

    Good luck and let us know how it goes.

    jmonroe

    '15 Genesis V8 with Ultimate Package and '18 Legacy Limited 6 cyl

  • fezofezo Member Posts: 10,386
    Man, is this ever a time for the bobst method. Peg your number offer it and let them take it or leave it. If they leave it they certainly will know where you can be found. It's not going to be the last such vehicle they ever offer and if I'm not mistaken you are not one to rush into a deal.
    2015 Mazda 6 Grand Touring, 2014 Mazda 3 Sport Hatchback, 1999 Mazda Miata 2004 Toyota Camry LE, 1999.
  • jipsterjipster Member Posts: 6,296
    The salesman claims, despite having 7K miles on it, it's considered a new car because it was used by the sales staff and had never been titled.

    Used by the sales staff??? Run away! Run away!
    2021 Honda Passport EX-L, 2020 Honda Accord EX-L, 2011 Hyundai Veracruz, 2010 Mercury Milan Premiere.
  • isellhondasisellhondas Member Posts: 20,342
    Run away? Why?

    Do you think they are going to hurt it in some way?

    But if a person is nervous or scared, they shouldn't buy ANY car!
  • jipsterjipster Member Posts: 6,296
    Run away? Why?

    With 7k miles and who knows how many salesmen/family members/ friends driving the thing, the odds are pretty good that it's been ragged out/driven hard quite a bit.
    Odds are the car is okay... but that type of situation with the amount of money involved would scare me away.
    2021 Honda Passport EX-L, 2020 Honda Accord EX-L, 2011 Hyundai Veracruz, 2010 Mercury Milan Premiere.
  • fezofezo Member Posts: 10,386
    I bought a car with 6K dealer miles and it was a nightmare, but let's be fair - it was an 80 VW Rabbit!
    2015 Mazda 6 Grand Touring, 2014 Mazda 3 Sport Hatchback, 1999 Mazda Miata 2004 Toyota Camry LE, 1999.
  • jmonroejmonroe Member Posts: 8,989
    ...and if I'm not mistaken you are not one to rush into a deal.

    You are right about that. At least someone reads what I say. :)

    The second worst thing a car buyer can have is hot pants for that shiny new sheet metal on wheels. The first worse thing is to let the salesman know it. :sick:

    jmonroe

    '15 Genesis V8 with Ultimate Package and '18 Legacy Limited 6 cyl

  • isellhondasisellhondas Member Posts: 20,342
    I would doubt this car has suffered any abuse but, once again, if that is a person's fear, they should move on.
  • british_roverbritish_rover Member Posts: 8,502
    You must have a poor opinion of your own co-workers/family members/friends then.

    All of our demos are treated like our own cars and the same can be said of the other dealers in our autogroup. Just because something is a demo doesn't mean it was beat on.
  • mackabeemackabee Member Posts: 4,709
    lemko, Forbes.com has an article on the best deals on luxury cars right now. Looks like some Caddy's have up to 10k rebates on them or dealer cash. Heck just get a new one and offer them invoice less rebate. I'm sure you'll get a great deal before the end of the year.
    Mack
  • isellhondasisellhondas Member Posts: 20,342
    !0,000 !

    I guess desperate times call for desperate measures?
  • mackabeemackabee Member Posts: 4,709
    lemko, here's the link to the story:
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    Hope it helps.
    Mack
  • british_roverbritish_rover Member Posts: 8,502
    I keep hearing about this list but I can't find a link to it can I get a little help.
  • lemkolemko Member Posts: 15,261
    Great article! Thanx!

    The thing is, I'm not really in as a hurry to buy a car as the salesman is to sell me one. I'm not in love with the particular car they are offering, so it doesn't matter if somebody snaps it up before me if they want it that bad. The car is nice, but I prefer either Crimson Pearl or something close to the White Diamond color of my current car. I just happened to be at the dealership for an oil change for my Seville STS and saw the black DTS in front of the building. The techs seemed to be taking their own sweet time, so another gentleman and I were eyeing up the new and used inventory. There was a white one there back in June, but the timing wasn't right and I'm still happy with my current ride.

    My car has something that loaded DTS doesn't have - the P.I.F. option: Paid in Full!
  • joel0622joel0622 Member Posts: 3,299
    Very nice. Do you have apic of your Extended Length model?

    As far as the gas prices go.............. Thise who can afford one can afford the gas.
  • jipsterjipster Member Posts: 6,296
    You must have a poor opinion of your own co-workers/family members/friends then

    You usually aren't a smart [non-permissible content removed] when you post, so I'll let this one slide. ;)
    2021 Honda Passport EX-L, 2020 Honda Accord EX-L, 2011 Hyundai Veracruz, 2010 Mercury Milan Premiere.
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