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Regards,
OW
Regards,
OW
I guess your right because I used to buy strictly GM. :sick:
Regards,
OW
Regards,
OW....NOT UAW
the joke is, even the models I had back in the 50's and 60s with no problems from GM you had to find fault in which makes no sense!
you are all over Toyota's forums about how happy you are that they are failing and how stupid their customers and products are yet you can't seem to take that people had bad experiences with GM well at all! your hipocracy is staggering!
keep making excuse after excuse for GM, that is all your good for! you really should go out of retirement and see if GM can get you for their PR and marketing department; you could spin almost any negativity and problem for GM possible! excuse excuse excuse!!
Regards,
OW
Just to clarify, he bought his first car brand new, with cash he had earned working for 2 years at McDonald's. This brand new car rusted through to holes within 2 years in a non-snow climate. It kind of sets your opinions on a brand. I doubt anybody here with that situation would ever be buying the same brand again.
Also i would like to add, Imagine how much money car company's like GM are losing right now due to the very high Canadian Dollar (pretty much on par with the us dollar). I mean a extra 30 cents a buck(or at least a few years ago it was) adds up quickly.
I do not know anything except what I experienced with your products. Disappointing the customers allowed the competition to eat GM alive in the U.S.A. The story is one of the shameful examples of corporate failure in U.S. history.
When your top brand wants to "secede from the Union", the picture is stunningly clear to me...perhaps not you. I do not need to wonder why.
How much more do I need to know? I alone can not make a bit of difference to affect GM one way or another. Collectively, the customers did GM in....and will ultimately decide if they should continue to exist.
Get over it and make the best cars and stop whining.
Ford is way ahead at the moment and the Hyundai Express is on a roll. :shades:
Regards,
OW
You do give both sides. It's that I tired of constantly reading in what I consider a pro GM discussion by a few about how this or that broke on their 19XX year car and they hate GM since that happened. :sick:
>the radio controls are learnable...".
It was intended as serious. I like my two knob leSabre RDS radio. Getting used to a console for the radio that has many buttons and computerlike sequences for adjusting the equalization or the 50 preset stations, XM, etc., was "new" to me. I realized that many other cars had setups more like the Cobalt. After a while spent going through the owner manual and punching through all the option menues on the Cobalt radio, I understood. it. So it was learnable but was alien to me at first because of my long experience with two knobs.
2014 Malibu 2LT, 2015 Cruze 2LT,
That sounds like the toyota, Honda, Datsun in the early days here in the US.
2014 Malibu 2LT, 2015 Cruze 2LT,
That sounds like the toyota, Honda, Datsun in the early days here in the US.
I don't know how much to read into that. I mean my FIL has a 95 Tahoe he has washed and waxed regularly and all of the doors are rusting through. A neighbor of mine has a '94 Camry used in here in the salt invested midwest with no rust and it's not kept in the garage either. It's just a get to work beater.
My '00 Suburban had rust forming on both bumpers within 5 years and most of its miles were in Kansas where they don't have to salt nearly as much as they do here in the midwest.
My point is it's not unusual to see a 10 year old domestic or asian car with rust around here.
Heck, my 07 Expedition has a spot on the rear tailgate that is starting to bubble. I'll probably have to have something done about it this year before it starts to rust.
I agree OW. I don't talk bad about GM because I'm a Toy/honda fan. I've only owned two foreign cars ever, by far my vehicles have been domestics. It's from this experience I have formed my dismal opinion of GM. Ford is not out of the woods either. They've probably built just as many pathetic vehicles, but IMO, they've seemed quicker to react.
Ex. I bought a brand new 1998 Ford SVT Contour. On the way home the center console lid fell off. All of the screws were in the bottom of the console, then I noticed the passenger side air bag cover was out of alignment by probably an 1/8th inch. When the dealer replaced it, the color was a shade off. It left me stranded at around 2000 miles due to a wire to the fuel pump being miss routed and causing it to rub against a part of the chassis where it shorted out. Leaving me stranded out in the middle of BFE. It was a sign of things to come. It ended up being a love hate relationship. I loved the car, but I hated how unreliable it was.
My '00 Suburban was equally bad if not worse. I don't think spending $6k in non-routine repairs between 46-80k miles as being a value. That still doesn't say the whole story, as I lived with many electrical gremlins that I didn't even bother to fix, nor does it describe how pathetic the interior parts were. Radio knobs that would fall off after hitting bumps or the overhead console the included the rear HVAC controls that fell down when I was going down a gravel road. So much for being tough. It was steaming pile of crap.
I won't go into all of the details of the GM cars my wife has had for company vehicles that have been lame in one way or another. None of them were what I would consider as unreliable, but none of them were vehicles I'd be willing to spend one dime of my own money on. They looked, felt, and drove like a cheap rental, which I guess is what I'd classify most Chevy's and Pontiac's for the past 15 years.
If that makes me a hater that wishes ill on those who build them, so be it. I will not buy something I don't like. It has to offer me something in return besides disappointment and head aches.
doesn't seem so nice when the shoe is on the other foot does it?
By the way I have one uncle with a 1995 Maxima and another with a 1997 Altima and neither has rust on them yet :P most of that issue is from people who don't wash and take care of their cars and especially from ones who keep their cars outside all year long, especially in the winter time!
despite the fact I have Japanese vehicles now, I don't have any brand loyalty because the Japanese, just like the American and German car companies will screw you over when you come back to get another car, I've seen it time and time again with cut throat sales and brand loyalty means absolutely nothing to any of them; they are only concerned with making sales and I've gone to other brands if I'm not satisfied with how I'm being treated by the sales department; to be honest with you, I've been really impressed with Ford and the Fusion just got a 100% perfect much above avg score from CR and I do like the bodystyle so I might be considering a Ford in two years when I'm ready to get another car, and Hyundai and Nissan have also recently grabbed my attention!
Yeah, I like it too. My brother who currently is on his 5th Nissan is needing to replace his 08 Altima which his 2 year lease is up. He's looked at the Camry, Accord, Malibu, Sonota, and Fusion. So far a Fusion Sport is tops on his list. This is monumental and a win for Ford, because he's never owned a domestic car...EVER.
I think you may be confusing this general GM discussion with the General Motors Fans one.
As long as people keep it civil, it's ok to talk about the warts as well as the beauty marks in here.
for me, its probably going to come down between the Fusion, Altima, and Sonata! they provide a standout bodystyle with decent handling/comfortable ride!
I do believe that I've only posted positive GM comments in the GM Fans board. In this forum I'm more critical. Please understand that if I didn't care I would not be here. We want the US to have a strong set of local manufacturers. Ford is moving in the right direction. We certainly can try to prod GM to be more aggressive. And the reason we bring up ancient negative vehicles is often as a reply to some comment such as "Give me an example of what GM cars were poor, and what plant they were made in....".
Re: the radio controls - I understand what you were saying. It's certainly true that controls in general are a lot more complex than in the past. I remember the very crude AM radio and one speaker in the dash in my mother's first new car!
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as for GM, I can resist the cobalt SS easily since I have 05 GTO which has been great so far to 75k - except for the well-known front-suspension deficiencies, to be corrected next week with pedders street package (struts not coilovers) .
but yes, there are people who had a GM/whatever-manufacturer car that rusted-through in the 1970s and that may be a misguided reason why they might avoid a GM/whatever car today. Oh well!
Let's talk about recent GM-cars/news instead of ancient cars/news?
For example, I've bought enough GM/other vehicles to be able to make statistically-valid predictions, and my choice for a new GM vehicle would be:
corvette, camaro , or sierra work-truck, cloth seats, crank-windows, 4WD, V6 (no towing for me).
Having a thread for ancient-GM-car and/or rust-through stories could be nice too, of course! :}
Regards,
OW
Interesting, as yesterday my wife and I were driving and we both saw a car and she said "what's that?". It was a new LaCrosse. It is a strikingly handsome car. It does look like the visibility is pretty limited, though. Just on looks I would really consider it. I've also seen pictures of the interior and it looks very nice. I would still be worried about GM reliability and the overall health of the General. Let's wait a few years and see how this car plays out. But good for them that they are producing sedans that are actually attractive.
Now lets see a GN version, please...
Regards,
OW
No worse than the new Honda Accord/Crossover thing they just released. It seems as if soon we will really be driving tanks with little slits to peer through.
I'm waiting for the first manufacturer who goes to all video screens and external cameras, with no windows. Just think of how well that vehicle would do on the side impact tests!
You can't see out of the back at all. We're talking delivery van sized blind spots and a rear window as functional as the one in a 911. Superb car otherwise. Such a shame, really, that it's so good and yet so undrivable.
He has never been carsick before or since, including many 1400 mile drives on I-95...
He had complained of feeling sick due to the Buick's swooshy brake-diving ride within 5 minutes after I rented it , but the rather severe result did not occur until a week later - 5 minutes before I returned it to SFO.
Pity on the next person who rents it - the smell will be with that car forever, as will its horrid suspension.
This experience with a recent buick convinced me to never rent one or consider one, unless some newer models are known to have better suspensions.
That will probably have to wait for the Regal GS next year.
The little used car lot around the corner from my house has an '86 Regal V6 for $1500. It seems in decent shape. My first thought was how would this car look with that Hennessy twin turbo, 425 hp 3.6 V6 and a 6 speed manual.
Try the 2010. WORLDS better ride and handling.
Well, this is how it would look coming out of the shute...
This car is tuned a bit, of course but it did a record 8 second pass. A little to hot for stock 425 hp...
Regards,
OW
We all know what happened there........bye bye GN, T Types, GNX.