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  • anythngbutgmanythngbutgm Member Posts: 4,277
    edited November 2012
    You mean like folks who say you'd have to be a racist to buy American?

    link title

    Right... No such thing :sick:

    You've twisted this B.S. long enough...

    Re-read the post. Your conclusions are a bit off...

    #13031
  • uplanderguyuplanderguy Member Posts: 16,860
    Hey anything, check your post number 11166 over in the "Buying American.." thread.

    You'll see worse there.

    Open-mindedness, from a guy who calls himself "anythingbutGM".
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  • anythngbutgmanythngbutgm Member Posts: 4,277
    Try going back a post to who I was replying too...
  • ateixeiraateixeira Member Posts: 72,587
    Not sure if this was already shared...

    http://www.autoblog.com/2012/11/13/gm-and-walt-disney-redesign-epcot-centers-tes- t-track-attraction/

    I'm all Disney-ed out after going last year, but let's see who's the first here to try it out.
  • anythngbutgmanythngbutgm Member Posts: 4,277
    Open-mindedness, from a guy who calls himself "anythingbutGM".

    lol, from the guy has never actually owned an import. My opinions come from experience, not what I read in a Motortrend "wrap up"... (ex. Hyundai Sonata).
  • ateixeiraateixeira Member Posts: 72,587
    Yikes, hey hosts, post 11139 should be deleted, it's offensive and openly prejudiced.

    Don't be dragged down to that level, just ignore trolls like that.
  • lemkolemko Member Posts: 15,261
    Camaro driver is "Joe Dirt."
  • uplanderguyuplanderguy Member Posts: 16,860
    edited November 2012
    I find his response far more offensive than the original poster's post...although "[non-permissible content removed]", originally just short for "Japanese", has taken on a meaning of racism I guess. Saying "'Murican" points to an education level, just not a country of origin. So in two places, anythingbutgm has commented on the 'buy 'murican, racist' crowd.

    I don't post on a Toyota forum just to muckrake, with a handle like "anythingbuttoyota".

    And I've driven a LOT of Toyotas.

    I stand by my original post.
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  • ateixeiraateixeira Member Posts: 72,587
    I'd buy a Camaro if I still had all my hair just so I could rock my 1980s mullet! :shades:
  • uplanderguyuplanderguy Member Posts: 16,860
    I was older than my years, even in the '70's. I rarely looked at new Camaros...too tiny in the rear seat and trunk. In the '80's, still in my twenties, I bought new Monte Carlos and a Celebrity Eurosport. But I think lemko has me beat...his first new car was a Caprice and his second, a Cadillac Brougham!
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  • ateixeiraateixeira Member Posts: 72,587
    My BIL flips classics like that, and he's had a pair of Bro-HAMMs *

    * Donnie Brasco reference

    Bought from a drug auction, was in bad shape but he cleaned it up nice, drove it for a while, and sold it for a profit.

    He also flips Corvettes, probably half a dozen of those.

    Ironically his daily is an Accord. Maybe not so ironic given it's built in Ohio.
  • ateixeiraateixeira Member Posts: 72,587
    NOT suitable for work, but great movie, here's a relevant clip:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EtgdZ8jhhdA

    NSFW (language)
  • busirisbusiris Member Posts: 3,490
    Uplander understood the gist of my text.

    It appears you didn't quite understand the point being made.

    Oh, well ...
  • berriberri Member Posts: 10,165
    It may just be me, but I always felt many GM and Toyota's drive and ride similarly. Toyota tends to drive very American. I also think Honda's and some of the newer Ford's drive similar to each other.
  • ateixeiraateixeira Member Posts: 72,587
    Avalon is basically a Buick.
  • imidazol97imidazol97 Member Posts: 27,675
    >Uplander understood the gist of my text.
    >It appears you didn't quite understand the point being made.
    >Oh, well ...

    So... You would be quick to judge BMW (or any other brand of "choice") based upon a single sampling, yet completely oblivious to how and why others would do the very same, identical thing with GM.
    Surely you can see that.
    As I've often stated before, those that paint with broad brushes usually don't see the reality of the situation.
    It's a problem I think we all have at one time or another...


    My ears are wide open to hear what I don't understand.

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  • uplanderguyuplanderguy Member Posts: 16,860
    I think the 'old' Avalon (immediately previous to the 'new' one) is the most handsome Asian car of the last....fill in the blank.

    I think the 2002 Altima and '90's Maximas (wall to wall taillights) were handsome cars too....although I blame the Altima for the flood of cars with aftermarket fake chrome trim inside the taillights. ;)
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  • dieselonedieselone Member Posts: 5,729
    Looks like I missed out on all of the fun today. It's been a long day, so I won't bother throwing any fuel on the fire;)

    Not GM related, but I was passed on I74 by a new Taurus police car. It looked big coming up on me fast while watching in the rear view. That's the first one I've seen.
  • circlewcirclew Member Posts: 8,666
    A relevant post about GM lagging in EPA ratings and how folks that typically buy bottom-basement Chevies should really try a Bimmer and all Hell broke loose! ;)

    Who'd a thunk it! :)

    Regards,
    OW
  • dieselonedieselone Member Posts: 5,729
    edited November 2012
    A Japanese trans in a Corvette! Blasphemy! I wonder why they chose Aisin over the german ZF 8 speed that Chrylser and a few others are using.

    I know the ZF 8 speed can handle over 500 ft-lbs of torque. I read where Chrysler has licensed the design and will be building the ZF designed transmission at their Kokomo, IN transmission plant in 2013.
  • dieselonedieselone Member Posts: 5,729
    A relevant post about GM lagging in EPA ratings and how folks that typically buy bottom-basement Chevies should really try a Bimmer and all Hell broke loose! ;)

    Who'd a thunk it! :)


    Oh Boy! LOL!!!
  • uplanderguyuplanderguy Member Posts: 16,860
    edited November 2012
    A relevant post, too, about GM sales increase and Hyundai slight decline, and...the silence is deafening.

    For me, personally, I am totally turned off by BMW's image.

    It's humorous to read about 'bottom basement Chevys' from a guy who drives a Kia.
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  • tlongtlong Member Posts: 5,194
    For me, personally, I am totally turned off by BMW's image.

    I find GM's image somewhat improved after the BK, but still a lot more shoddy than I'd like it to be.
  • uplanderguyuplanderguy Member Posts: 16,860
    Oh, there is no doubt that GM's image needed polishing for mainstream America.

    BMW's image that gets me, isn't so much the car's image as the owners' images I so often see. Plus, my former (woman) boss had a new 3-series and she was a 'social climber'. I think that is the stereotype. I had forgotten about her. This was about six years ago. She did have some issue with the sunroof in her car. Ewww, bad memory.
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  • uplanderguyuplanderguy Member Posts: 16,860
    A Japanese trans in a Corvette! Blasphemy! I wonder why they chose Aisin over the german ZF 8 speed that Chrylser and a few others are using.

    The Aisin trans would keep me from buying one. Seriously. People who want Corvettes appreciate the value and 'American-ness' of it.
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  • tlongtlong Member Posts: 5,194
    BMW's image that gets me, isn't so much the car's image as the owners' images I so often see. Plus, my former (woman) boss had a new 3-series and she was a 'social climber'. I think that is the stereotype.

    I agree with that stereotype - as with all stereotypes, there's an element of truth in it. I see BMW drivers as falling into two camps - the one you mention above, and then the ones who actually just love the cars for their driving dynamics and couldn't give a hoot about the image thing. I can appreciate their cars for what they do very well.

    A number of years ago when I wanted a premium small car, I drove a brand new BMW 3-series, and also the Audi A4. This was at a time when the closest thing GM had to a premium small car was the Catera. Well I thought the BMW was ok but I didn't like the price or the fact that everything was an extra cost option on the BMW - from the leather, to the fold down rear seat, to the metallic paint. I ended up buying the Audi instead. That was at a time when the Audis were high, but not nearly as high in price as they are today.
  • circlewcirclew Member Posts: 8,666
    Looks like Toyota is on a roll! GM might loose it's recall crown. :cry:

    Toyota recalls another 2.77 million cars

    Regards,
    OW
  • andre1969andre1969 Member Posts: 26,023
    "BMW's image that gets me, isn't so much the car's image as the owners' renters' images I so often see. Plus, my former (woman) boss had a new 3-series and she was a 'social climber'."

    There, fixed it for ya! :P (at the risk of perpetuating another stereotype...that most BMWs are leased, rather than owned...more fodder for the theory that many of their drivers are just putting on airs )
  • andre1969andre1969 Member Posts: 26,023
    Looks like Toyota is on a roll! GM might loose it's recall crown.

    Once upon a time, the 1980 Citation and its brethren wore the crown of most recalled car in history; incidentally wresting that title from the 1976-77 Aspen/Volare.

    But, as widespread and common recalls are these days, I'm sure the Citation has long since lost that title. I wonder how long ago that was?
  • steverstever Guest Posts: 52,454
    edited November 2012
    most BMWs are leased, rather than owned

    Someone is buying them off-lease (and out of the free maintenance period). Probably some wannabe climbers in that group but many are appreciators who want someone else to eat the depreciation.

    GM is only recalling 12,626 cars today to fix some head restraints an a couple of thousand to fix air bag wiring. (WSJ link)

    My '99 Nissan was recalled for the turn signal. My '82 Tercel was recalled for the rear trailing arms.

    Has anyone here owned a car that hasn't been recalled (yet?).
  • andre1969andre1969 Member Posts: 26,023
    edited November 2012
    Someone is buying them off-lease (and out of the free maintenance period). Probably some wannabe climbers in that group but many are appreciators who want someone else to eat the depreciation.

    Definitely true. I have a good friend who has a 2002 BMW 5-series. He bought it used, in late 2007. He has a good job and a nice house, but I'd say he's anything BUT a social climber. Not the type to put up appearances.

    I've ridden in it a few times, and while it's not my type of car, I can understand the allure of them. It handles very well, and while the ride is firm, I wouldn't call it rough. It also gets good gas mileage, considering the power of the engine and the way my friend drives it. I went on a road trip with him to a car show out in Winchester, Virginia, about 90 or so miles away. According to the trip computer, he was averaging about 29 mpg. And he wasn't exactly driving gently!

    The house next door to me recently sold, and the new owners have two BMW's...a 3-series and an X5. There goes the neighborhood! :surprise:

    Has anyone here owned a car that hasn't been recalled (yet?).

    Yeah, I have two. However, the DeSoto came out before recalls were invented, and my Ram is probably too new to be recalled! :P

    Other than the Ram, I've only owned one brand-new car, a 2000 Intrepid. I think the 2000 Intrepid in general was recalled about 5 times, but all recalls didn't apply to all cars. Mine was recalled twice. First was because they forgot to put instructions in the owner's manual on how to properly install a child car seat! They simply mailed an insert and said to keep it with the owner's manual, but it was technically a recall. The second was because of some possibly too-weak bolts in the driver's seat that, if the car got rear-ended, could cause the seatback to drop. I'd presume they used the same bolts in the passenger seat, but I think the recall was only for the driver's side. I could be wrong, though.

    Every other car I've gotten used...sometimes VERY used, ranging from 1967 to 2000. I'd presume that at some point in their lives, every single one got recalled at some point or another.
  • anythngbutgmanythngbutgm Member Posts: 4,277
    I think the Citation lost the crown in the early 2000's to the original Ford Focus. That thing ended up with something like 11 recalls. Before that the Escape and Contour/Mercury Mistake were close to the title.

    But this one for Toyota is not good at all. Wow.
  • uplanderguyuplanderguy Member Posts: 16,860
    edited November 2012
    I've had far more new cars with no recalls, than with.

    I seem to remember my '02 Cavalier being recalled for the engine label under the hood coming off too easily. My Uplander had zero recalls and I don't recall my Cobalt ever having any either.

    I washed the wife's Malibu Sunday, even blacking the tires. I am still amazed at how (IMHO) luxurious, in the traditional way, that car looks, in its metallic black...I think way more than the price would indicate. And I waxed my Cobalt--although I regret picking silver (far too commonplace), for sitting out ALL the time, it still looks as new and I'm still amazed at how completely smooth and silent it idles and how quiet it is on the highway, on its original plugs and wires at 61K miles. Coworkers have commented on those things too...and hey, they've even ridden in the car themselves before making those opinions!
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  • steverstever Guest Posts: 52,454
    You've lucked out. I had several on our '89 Plymouth Voyager and there was at least one on the '97 Outback before we purchased it. 4 cars since '82 and they all had at least one.
  • uplanderguyuplanderguy Member Posts: 16,860
    edited November 2012
    My Cobalt was recalled for the power steering motor, now that I think about it. It was a quick job done in conjunction with an oil change visit.
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  • dieselonedieselone Member Posts: 5,729
    edited November 2012
    I've had several cars (all domestics) that were recalled for various things. Not a big deal.

    My dad had a '00 Taurus SES that was recalled a bunch of times. He still had it 9 years and 180k miles without much $ out of pocket to keep it running that long. Though the last year he had it, the problems and expenses started mounting.

    I had a fuel pump relay recall on my '00 Suburban that actually saved me several hundred dollars. The fuel pump was failing at the time of the recall and since it required pulling the fuel pump, the dealer just charged me for a new pump and the recall took care of the labor.
  • lemkolemko Member Posts: 15,261
    Avalon is basically a Buick.

    Maybe that's the reason it's the only Toyota-branded vehicle I find appealing - that is until they recently uglified the heck out of it!
  • lemkolemko Member Posts: 15,261
    IMHO, a Kia is the modern equivalent of a Crosley or Henry J.
  • lemkolemko Member Posts: 15,261
    The BMW 3-Series Lease Postergirl:

    image

    Always Keeping Up Appearances!
  • lemkolemko Member Posts: 15,261
    Heck, Mom's new Subaru Impreza just had a recall for the temperature gauge.
  • lemkolemko Member Posts: 15,261
    My 2007 Cadillac DTS was recalled for the heated washer fluid device. Shame, that was a cool feature! I used it only once right after I bought the car.
  • uplanderguyuplanderguy Member Posts: 16,860
    You are a 'wag', lemko! Your photos almost always crack me up.
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  • dieselonedieselone Member Posts: 5,729
    My 2007 Cadillac DTS was recalled for the heated washer fluid device. Shame, that was a cool feature!

    The recall deactivated the heated washer fluid? Nice! They should have reimbursed you for decontenting your car.
  • lemkolemko Member Posts: 15,261
    Yeah, I wasn't too happy about that! I thought about ignoring the recall and taking my chances with as infrequently as I'd use the feature.
  • ateixeiraateixeira Member Posts: 72,587
    Mom's new Subaru Impreza just had a recall for the temperature gauge

    You sure? I thought newer models lost that gauge and got an idiot light instead.
  • ateixeiraateixeira Member Posts: 72,587
    From the article:

    The recall mainly covers certain Prius models and was prompted by a problem with the steering intermediate extension shafts, which can suffer damage if sharp turns are made at slow speeds

    Apparently it took this long to find the problem because no one in a 2004 Prius has ever made a sharp turn. :D

    On a related note, I'm bummed my Sienna is not included. Last time I got a free car wash and mine wasn't even affected.

    That really sucks! I haven't washed it since! LOL
  • lemkolemko Member Posts: 15,261
    I dunno, that's what my Dad told me last night. Maybe he meant the sensor.
  • andre1969andre1969 Member Posts: 26,023
    You sure? I thought newer models lost that gauge and got an idiot light instead.

    Uh-oh, looks like another victim of de-contenting. I noticed a similar thing when I bought my Ram...no oil pressure or amp gauge. Just fuel and temp. I thought full gauges were pretty much a standard in pickup trucks since almost the dawn of time! I think you do get oil and amps on the nicer models, though.

    I wonder how much money they really save by deleting the temp gauge? I guess they make it up in volume though, and a little de-content here and there does add up.

    One minor thing I noticed the other week, when my buddy picked us up from the airport in his 2009 Grand Marquis LS "Ultimate"...there was no padding whatsoever on the underside of the decklid. And worse, the paint under there didn't match the exterior of the car. The car is sort of a silver/gray/birch metallic, but the underside of the trunk just looked like dull gray primer.

    I noticed my Kia Opirus rental in Aruba was like that as well, so I guess this trend has been going on for awhile?
  • lemkolemko Member Posts: 15,261
    You can always get those funky aftermarket gauges that screw to the bottom of the dashboard! :P
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