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Funny you should mention that. The X5 35D I test drove Friday only had ONE option. The $500 heated seats. MSRP was $52XXX. I think it was stripped to use as a diesel demo. As fast as that X5 was with that engine. I can imagine in a small sedan it would run like a scalded ape. When it launches a 5225 lb SUV like it does I would think the small sedan would be over powered. It is 1400 lbs lighter than the X5. The diesel X5 is lighter than the V8 gasser with a lot more torque. The diesel would have to cut into the V8 sales. For me it is a no brainer.
Aren't diesels slow?
How about this for an answer: I lost a race in the new 414-hp, V-8 M3 last week to a diesel. I pulled up to a red light next to my photographer's six-cylinder, automatic-transmission 530d station wagon. When the light turned green, I dumped the clutch from 2000 rpm and floored it. And the automatic diesel station wagon dusted my M3 off the line. I didn't catch up until 60 mph.
Diesel revolution
You likely eat food that has some form of animal (or human) fertilizer used during some stage of its growth. And that's un-purified.
And 2 YEARS? Thats about 8 oil changes for me. Sooo not a big deal.
Does anyone know if 335d's extended maint. or warranty cost the same as 335i?
With just sport pack and cold weather pack we are at $48,000.
Insane.
$43.9K base is the original & only price I have seen.
Any one else see anything else \ lower?
Thanks,
- Ray
Might be tempted.........
Here are the impressions that are so obvious:
1) The exhaust tail pipes look still clean on both sides after 211 miles driving, by comparing, the left side pipe of 335xi, 535xi and 750Li will be dark after 50 miles on the road, the pipe on the right side always look cleaner on these three cars; I guess Bimmer designs the left side pipe to exhaust most the time, the 35D engine does on two sides evenly.
2) The IDrive is much better and easier to use on 09 models, by comparing the 18” performance RFT on the 335D, even with sport suspension on the chase, doesn’t feel as bumpy as the RFT on 07 335xi, and this is a big improvement.
3) The inside lay out from the instrument clusters to the fold back seats (the seats actually can fold flat, not like the 535xi’s which fold only up to 90%), the touch open and close comfort access system is a huge step forward by comparing the 08 750Li, just slightly touch on the front handles on middle to open and on the right end to close, instead of grappling to open and push the handle to close for the 7er.
4) The ground clearance is the matter which concerns me the most, I got bad taste from the S8’s 3.7” stupid low clearance, it got the scratches all over on the front chins after a few weeks on the road, the data from 09 April Car and Driver magazine says the ground clearance for 335D is 5.7, but I don’t think this is correct measurement, as I put 5” stick under the bottom, the lowest front I got 4.2 to 4.5, the good news is I haven’t seen any scratch under the front yet.
As a diesel nut, I have been wishful, if the V10 in my Touareg TDI would be in the bays of A6 or A8, but the V10 TDI is heavy as hell. In a sense, the dream has come true for the 35D in a sedan form, still, the engine would serve better in 5er or 7er, by now, I am happy what I got the 335D, together with my 04 Passat TDI, I will keep it for a long while.
But I am glad you like it. I really liked it! I did 5 test rides, but did not test the 335i, 5 nor 7 series as a comparison. However I can't say I have more than 300 miles on the 335D total. My take is this is a tremendous road/cruising car ! It is also good that BMW is giving a better pricing structure starting with that mentioned April 09 program. It would appear even for BMW enthusiasts, the 3/4k diesel premium was an issue.
Mine: 1995 318ti Club Sport; 2020 C43; 2021 Sahara 4xe 1996 Speed Triple Challenge Cup Replica Wife's: 2015 X1 xDrive28i Son's: 2009 328i; 2018 330i xDrive
Run circled around those poor commuter souls and get twice the gas mileage to boot. Sure I'd lose a race to a Ferrarri, or a high powered Corevette, but the money Id save sure buys a lot of diesel and tires :shades:
If they only brought the 123d over, Id happily pony up the cash. A bird in the hand and all.
Good thing about the recession is that it might force them to give up that sort of nonsense as their sales plummet.
Sure hope so. A mid-20's 1-Series hatch diesel would be a reasonable alternative to a Jetta TDI.
It’s a nice dream.
2009 BMW 335i, 2003 Corvette cnv. (RIP 2001 Jaguar XK8 cnv and 1985 MB 380SE [the best of the lot])
Of course, nothing wrong with having a "flagship" diesel for prestige but this should be followed up with entry level models. Lexus never hurt Toyota after all.
I have read in passing the twin turbo diesel is used in both the 335D and 535D (probably 2010 MY here, but already in Europe). This is not the duel duty of a wimpy power plant! One can check the specifications, but the 535 I has app 105 # ft of torque LESS (300 # ft vs 405 #ft) than its 335D and 535 D stable mates.
Regards,
Jose
Snow (within reason - 12" of fresh snow and nothing is going to move) is no longer a serious issue for RWD cars equipped with traction control and decent tires.
Hey, I remember growing up in Chicago in the 60's/70's when all cars (except Beetles and a few Fiats) were nose-heavy RWD and most went through the winter with half-worn bias ply tires and we still made it through winter...most of the time. It was "sporty" at times, though.
Nowadays? Piece of cake.
Don't worry about it. You will do fine.
- Geo
A heavy RWD car with 4 snow tires and a good driver can be very effective in snow, as long as it isn't too deep of course.
The weight of the engine over the drive wheels helps a lot vs. a RWD car. That's why Beetles did well (plus their light weight, overall) in snow. Plus Beetles had skinny tires to keep the pounds per square inch of contact relatively high.
Where FWD cars have trouble is they tend to have low ground clearance, especially compared to trucks, SUV's, and even many RWD cars. The low ground clearance means they become plows when the snow gets just a little deep.
The combination of RWD plus traction control plus snow tires just about equals the combination of FWD plus traction cntrol plus decent all-season tires, in my experience. Both are darned good...until the snow gets very deep.
- Geo
I disagree. I think the RWD with dedicated snow tires will beat the FWD with all-season tires every time.
I also frequently turn traction/stability control off.
Best regards,
Shipo
Most of my driving in snow included rather steep hills. None had traction control at that time. The 73 Subaru would start bouncing in about 3 inches of snow on the slightest hill. Then pop out of gear. Very frustrating car. The 78 Accord would drift around and very difficult to keep going straight. My partners Saab at the time was very good. So I just wrote it off as poor Japanese engineering. Not to mention the horrible dealers involved.
I'd feel fully confident in a 335D in heavy snow conditions and wouldn't hesitate to take it anywhere. But I'd have 4 snows on it.
I did not test drive the 335D when I was trying out the X5 diesel. Just not my cup of tea. I would say from what friends have told me RWD BMWs handle very well on ice which is the most dangerous.
This might not be true in the US market's BMW 335 D's case as it currently only comes in 6 speed automatic.
However on those diesels with 6 speed manuals, that is truly one of the well kept secrets. The TREMENDOUS torque at low rpms, literally make driving a manual effortless and also since one can engage the clutch at almost stall rpms, this cuts down the wear considerably. (It helps of course if one knows this and applies the knowledge accordingly.)