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To give you a pricing perspective--I just picked up my 2001 Premier on Thursday. These are the options I ordered and how much I paid:
.3rd row Captains chairs
.Chrome Wheels
.Towing package
I paid: $31,622 including the destination charge. The MSRP for this van was: $34,475 including the destination. Believe it or not, I went through GM's website to find their "Buy Power" dealer in my area. He's the one that gave me the price at $400 over invoice. My dealer was McCaddon Oldsmobile in Boulder, Colorado and my salesperson was Randy Williams. I ordered the van back in June and it just came in. I also leased the van and received an additional $500 rebate from GM due to a special leasing program they have going on in the Western US.
Kevin
What I am trying to do is find a dealer within a reasonable distance of Dallas TX who is willing to part with a 2000 Premier for approx $26700 or less, as I have seen noted earlier in this forum. The nice thing is I have plenty of time flexibility to conduct my search and we are not "in love" with any of these minivans.
Overall, I (we) are very pleased with the van. It still has a comfortable ride, good mileage, A/C has never been a problem. Great passenger comfort.
However, there were issues, some fell within warranty, some outside. The warranty had to replace the heater core due to a leak. I think the dash had to come off twice before it was fixed. Both power window units had to be replaced immediately after warranty. The was an intake manifold leak (late warranty) which leaked antifreeze and had to be taken in twice. There has been work trying to fix slight engine misfiring at 45-60 mph cruising which still exists. There was a transmission wiring issue around 70k which caused lack of shifting. The rear tailgate has always had a weak lock system and was warranty repaired with added fiberglass, but with extra special pampering has only had to be fixed one other time. Leather driver seat started splitting around 60k.
As I said overall, good van and all seems well. However, of the things that failed, they seemed to do so earlier that expected and cost always seemed to be high. This van was dealer serviced until after warranty, and they fixed additional stuff that I don't recall. At this time, I feel like it is at the verge of high maintenance and time to find something new. Would consider a new one, but BE SURE to do as much warranty work as possible to ensure your wallet doesn't get lightened afterwards.
In posting #94, Reatha got a price of $27800. Was that price with or without the rebate?
on the mileage and the 2K rebate. Anyone have experience with pricing on a demo? The 2K sounds low to me. I just want a better estimate on the amount that should be deducted from sticker.
If you still want the vehicle, do your due diligents, check out Edmunds invoice cost with all options on this vehicle and determine the numbers for yourself. In my opinion, they are a lot of 2000s available, and I think it would behoove you to negotiate wisely. I would recommend only paying invoice on a 2000 without ANY mileage. If your still set on this demo than I would suggest trying out 2k below invoice plus the 2k rebate and see if they bite. Otherwise, pay invoice on a NON-demo version plus 2k rebate...the choice is yours. Why deal with a vehicle which you have no history (You don't know who drove it, how they drove it, how many drove it, etc. That's 4400 miles!). Just my 2 cents worth.
The power driver's sliding door is not slated for production until November of this year. So if that's an important feature, November is not too far away.
If you order the Chrome wheels and the Gold Emblem package together, the chrome wheels DO NOT get the gold accent. Of course, if you only order the Gold Package, the standard alloy wheels will get this gold accent treatment.
As of August 9th, invoice for all flavors of the Silhouettes went up by $200.00 (give or take a couple of dollars). Edmunds numbers need to be updated.
N.B. Regardless of what anybody tells you, if you stick to your guns, the dealers WILL sell a 2001 Silhouette to you at Invoice (Currently, there is an unadvertised $1000.00 rebate from GM on all their 2001 Silhouettes. I think the expiry on this is 10/2/00).
Signing off...
The OSV Silhouette show minivan described at GM site:
3.4 engine with intake, header, exhaust mods.
210 bhp at 4400 rpm
270 lb. ft of torque at 2800 rpm
- Increased Intake Capacity
- Special Tuned Headers
- Koni Springs & Struts
- Borla Exhaust
- K&N Filtration
- 13-inch Brembo Cross-Drilled Disc Brakes (On a minivan. Finally, now thats thinking.)
- Recaro Style Seats
- Titanium Pedals
- Racing Hart c-6 Revolution Chrome 19”x8” wheels (Thats right 19'' rims on a minivan!!!!!! Yes!!)
- Front and Rear Spoilers
- Ground Effects Package
The way it would have been made if I was in charge:
3.5 L DOHC from the Intrigue OSV that adds the Eaton 62 supercharger (or better yet I would prefer the Aurora or Northstar V8s normally aspirated but I'm not exactly sure how one would get them to fit)
250 bhp at 5600 rpm
260 ft. lb. torque at 4400 rpm
5spd or better yet the 6spd gear box from the Corvette
HID lamps
AWD system with rear bias and limited slip
In addition to all of the aforementioned mods as GM could have it.
All for under $45,000.
Come on GM, if you are gonna make a soccer-dad mobile.....go all the way. Make a good one. When I'm in charge of GMs new super minivan division, I would also toy around with the idea of a mid-engine 400-500bhp V8 twin turbo AWD minivan. Why? I love minivans and I love power.
One could haul the family and dogs around and still manage a sub 6 second 0-60. That would be cool.
Other practical uses:
Get groceries home faster to retard spoilage and keep the family healthy
Get kids to school faster so they can learn more and get a merit based full scholarship to Harvard
Get dog/kids to vet/doctor faster to keep him/them healthier
Get kids to soccer/football/baseball/basketball or other practice faster so they get better and earn an scholar athelete free ride to college
The uses are practically endless!!!!
So, you see, not only could this van give you more quality time at home, it can keep your family healthier, and even save you money in the long run when your kids are super-smart mega-atheletes that go to college for free. So my idea for a $45,000 minivan is actually a bargin when you factor in all the benefits.
BigFig
On 8-15-00, with 600 miles on the van, the drivers side, side impact, air bag deployed while my wife was driving. It happened on a smooth road at about 35 mph. The van was returned to the dealer. It was returned in a week with the air bag and related components replaced. It happened again on 9-11-00, same thing, 30 mph on a smooth in town street. The van was returned to the dealer. A GM regional rep came to the dealer and took the van apart. He said we could not have it back, that GM did not want this van on the road. This is where the real problem starts.
The GM re-purchase person assigned to us is the most rude, arrogant individual I have ever dealt with. They have had my van and my money for two weeks and I am stuck. They refuse to make me whole on the deal. All I want is even. The problem is in replacing my GM credits on my account.
I am very frustrated and getting more angry by the day. I wish better luck to everyone else.
Taillamp moisture: We had one like this, had the entire assembly replaced. The moisture will rust the internal connections and eventually ruin the assembly. The problem is that some of the seals between the two halves are not up to snuff (they are made by Britax, the car seat people). If you have moisture in the lamp(s), get the dealer to replace them now.
The 2000's still had the older style cup holders. These can break easily, so keep them in the closed position when you're not using them. They are prone to getting broken by kids stepping on them (I speak from experience!). The 2001's have a better design.
Have fun with your new van.
Mikey
Any thoughts on the entertainment system, I noticed when you pull the LCD down all you see is the metal roof (no insulation?)
askmak
It just turned 66k miles and no problems right now...So far only tires, front brakes and a few water leaks (plus those fragile cup holders). I figure at 3500 miles per month, about next August it will hit 100k.
Since I was going to trash whatever I bought in a couple of years, I wanted something I could pay off quicker. Those Premieres are nice though.
When it's time to get a new company car, I'll most likely get another Silo.
Mikey
It may be because "Silhouette" is misspelled in the title of our Topic. Can you fix this?
And before you ask, as a matter of fact no, I don't have a life.
Minivans Rule! (OK, maybe it's only the soccer fields)
OK, now back to power lurking....
Thanks,:O)
Mikey
Thanks!
Drew/aling
Townhall Community Leader/Vans Conference
2000 Silhouette
In the beginning the whole well would fill up, and the water was silty. Only when they finally replace the window seal was there a significant reduction in water. Now a small amount still gets in, even without driving the vehicle. Personally poured water all over the boots, and no water gets in. Poured it on the roof rack area, no water gets in. Poured it on the window, and water does get in. Problem here is that it flows all over the place, so I am not sure yet if that is truely where the leak is. I'm going to start taping off areas to restrict the water flow, and see if I can further isolate.
KarenS
Vans host
Drew/aling
Townhall Community Leader/Vans Conference
Sue
Just guessing...
Mikey
Mine was fading too, so I just waxed it, and it shines like new now. I would recommend a non-abrasive wax.
The wax applicator turned black as I was putting the wax on, so it must be some kind of oxidation of the paint on these.
BTW, this fading seems to happen also on the luggage rack, but it is not as noticeable since it's up high. I waxed it too and it looks great.
I'd like to hear someone else's take on this....
Mikey
Mikey....
Mikey (in search of yet another blue light special)
I noticed Edmunds lists the Entertainment as a TV/Video system. It is actually only a VIDEO system...no TV. Since I have never had a TV in a car before...is this something to be coveted. The salesman said TV's don't work that well...so I am better off with just the Video. Any thougths?
Also, Carsdirect.com will get me a 2001 Premiere for $30,570. They show invoice price of $30,698 and MSRP of 33,855.
Options added would be priced as follows:
Tow Package $87
Chrome Wheels $607
Radio w/6 disc CD changer/player $258
Gold Tone $131
Engine Block heater $31
So is the Carsdirect price what I should shoot for at the Dealership???
Thanks
I also posted earlier that we had to take the van back already for the check engine light. The pin connector at evap was loose. They resecured pin. We have been getting lots of compliments on the van.
S.DiTullio
After reading about the small problems that have been popping up on other's vans, I will keep a close eye on it and hopefully it won't give me any problems on my 3000 mile 'Thanksgiving' trek.
Les s.
We rented a Chevy Astro while were were on vacation in Florida last summer. She loved it. Lots of room, good acceleration, etc. But the wheel well intruded into the place where my left foot would like to rest. After that we did not consider getting a minvan. We wanted to put off a new vehicle purchase as long as possible. My '94 Chevy pickup truck has a lot of miles on it (132K) but is in great shape.
Then something happened to change would minds. Just last week, GM/Oldsmobile offeded 0% financing on year 2000 Silo's for up to 60 months. No rebates or anything. It would be like saving for a vehicle only we can drive it now.
We wanted the premere edition, but those were scarce, and the price tipped the scales anyway. So we got a GLS, indigo color (how conservative can you get in a color), gold package (which offsets the indigo color), upgraded sound system, and trailer towing package. Paid $100 over factory invoice. The van had been sitting on the lot for a while, but that's why Oldsmobile was trying so hard to get rid of them. We got a five year loan at 0% and applied $650 from my GM card rebate account. Also got the GM Protection Plan for $25 over wholesale. The only thing is that it breaks my rule against buying a vehicle at the end of the model year. On the other hand, so what? What a sweet deal!
BTW, we did not consider Chryslers because of severe reliablilty problems that I experienced with Dodge Caravans.
So far, we are very pleased with it.
So far, we love it.