Hyundai XG300 and XG350

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  • patpat Member Posts: 10,421
    Are you referring to the two posts that follow your post at yk911 Feb 22, 2001 12:47pm?

    If so, I'm sorry - those two posts were in reference to another post which I removed because it was advertising. Your post was fine.

    Sorry for the confusion.

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  • john0john0 Member Posts: 17
    If you go deeper into the site it shows you different pictures on the Centennial than the one when you first get into the site. The first picture on the site does look like a mini-lemo but the ones in the gallery do not have the extention pillar in the middle. Can't figure out if it's a front or rear drive. Also somewhere in that site was pictures of an XG Sonata that has headlights shaped very close to the new C-240 c-320's. Also the in addition to the XG300 called
    the XG 30 is an XG 25, just has a 2.5 litre instead. Sort of a fun site I thought.
  • yk911yk911 Member Posts: 130
    i can read korean... so here it is..

    the Sonata that you saw.. is the NEW EF SONATA
    (code named EF-B) is has been just released.. actually a couple months back...it has almost everything as the XG(interior trim etc)..it'll hit our shores in about a year or two ( i think that's why the sonatas here in canada are selling for 0% interest finacing)

    yes.. the korean version of the XG ... called the "graduer" is offered in three versions..
    2.0 I-4, 2.5 I-4(same as sonata), 3.0 V6 sigma

    the L series or the Q series.. it's just a code for the type of options you have on the car.. nothing special..

    oh.. and as for the Centennial.. it's called the EQQUS.. in korea.. yes.. there are two versions offered.. mini limo and regular sedan...
    even the regular sedan in korea is treated like a limo... owners being driven around.. ^_^
    engines offered in that model.. are 3.0(same as XG300)(203HP), 3.5(220HP), and 4.5(260 HP)

    pat HOST ---./.... oh.. okie.. ^_^ thanks
  • yk911yk911 Member Posts: 130
    if anyone is interested in close up pictures of the "NEW" EF SONATA soon to be offered here in north america..
  • yk911yk911 Member Posts: 130
    http://www.fxtreme.org/Ultimate/Ultimate.cgi?action=intro&category=4&BypassCookie=true
  • sobright1sobright1 Member Posts: 78
    Like a couple of the posts above, I have spent the last 8 months looking at everything from Mercedes and BMW (overpriced) to Avalons. I actually hate the look of the Avalon but have driven one several times and the ride and power is exceptional. So too is Toyota's record for reliability. Unfortunately they are pretty proud of these vehicles. Regardless, I have narrowed my choice to three vehicles, the XG300, the Avalon, and the new Hylander. Frankly, I like the XG300 better than any of the others. My problem is that I need to occasionally tow my small fishing boat or a 6X10 trailer with a 1000 pound lawnmower. While I would not tow anything often, none-the-less I need to occasionally tow. Because I am finally ready to buy I inquired today about the towing capacity of the XG and whether a transmission cooler and hitch would void my warranty. No one at the dealer could answer my questions, nor was this information in the owners manual. This leads me to believe that towing is not recommended which may eliminate the XG300 from my choices.

    Lastly, has anyone seen an XG300 at any dealership with 16 inch wheels. An earlier post said that they would all be built this way starting on Feb 1.
  • yk911yk911 Member Posts: 130
    i'll be checking my owner's manual...
    but as i see it... towing is not recommended in my opinion.. it doesn't have the capacity to tow anything..

    as for the 16" wheels.. i bet they'll be offered in the next model year..b/c they have to sell the ones that already have the 15" on..

    i'll get back to you after i check the owners manual...
  • acco20acco20 Member Posts: 211
    sobright1, I am told the XG300 with 16" wheels will be here sometime in March. I asked at a local dealer. I agree there is some inventory with the 15" wheels. We will see how they handle that.
  • yk911yk911 Member Posts: 130
    trailer weight limit
    1.keep the tongue load 10% of the total trailer load.
    2.tongue load/total trailer weight x 100= 10% max)total trailer weight
    3.tongue loads can be increased or decreased by re-distributing the load in the trailer.
    this can be verified by checking the total weight of the loaded trailer and then checking the load on the tongue.

    NOTE:
    1. never load the trailer with more weight in the back than in the front. about 60% of the trailer load should be in the front half on the trailer and the remaining 40% in the rear
    2.the total gross vehicle weight with the trailer must not exceed the gross vehicle weight rating shown on the vehicle id plate
    3.the front or rear axle weight must not exceed the gross axle weight rating shown on the vehicle id plate.
  • yk911yk911 Member Posts: 130
    CAUTION:
    The following specifications are recommended when towing a trailer. The loaded trailer weight cannot safely exceed the values in the chart.


    max. Towable weight
    Trailer Tongue
    with brake 2000 lb. 200 lb.
    without brake 1000 lb. 100 lb.

    NOTE: when towing check transaxle fluid more frequently.
  • novotny_jacknovotny_jack Member Posts: 12
    yk911
    just cruisin by...thanks for the info and pics on the EF. Saw on the hyundai korean site what appeared to be the cv transmission that Porsche/Audi developed for the new A2.8!!! (I dont read korean so Im guessing all this from a few pictures). Allegedly the audi transmission will also have a tiptronic type setup, six speeds and no torque converter therby being a real manual (witout the clutch pedal).. Can you confirm?? Also do you know the horsepower/torque ratings that will be offered with this model. Thanks much
    novotny_jack
  • in2dadarkin2dadark Member Posts: 18
    I am definatly a fan of this unique automobile...The main things that dissuades me from owning one are the weight and residual value ....I wonder how much of the enthusiasm on this board is spam from dealers and sales people..??

    Also I am told to take advantage of the generousity of the warranty you must keep good records and have all work done in their house...
  • john0john0 Member Posts: 17
    Not many if any dealers in here the Host's keep their comments out for the most part. Most people here either own an XG300 or are serious about getting one or just like them. As for the weight of the X. I was surprised about that too, it being 3-400 lbs more than competitive models. I for one was pleased since I've always had heavy cars ( Town Cars, Jimmy, Explorers etc,) big plus for me, I think it adds to the quality feel of the ride. Your right about the keeping of good records. My dealer told me that if I get the oil changes done at one of those Jiffy Lube type places to keep the receipts and have them entered into the service records at the dealerships computer because they are a little sticky on the warranty. I suppose rightly so if they are going to stand behind the car for that amount of time. Maybe that's a good thing as Martha Steward would say, it will force you to take care of your car like all the auto experts say you should. I'll probably take it to the dealer for the maintenance seeing their posted prices are a couple bucks less than the quickie places at least here in the Pittsburgh area. As for the residual value I agree and am gambling that Hyundai is the next Honda / Toyota but there is alot of completion out there, hopfully the longer warranty will help that. I wonder how many other car companies will be extending there warranties out to 5/50 B2B.
  • yk911yk911 Member Posts: 130
    i'm getting a notion... that the 16" wheel that we are going to get are these..

    http://www.hmc.co.kr/kor/cybermall/image/product/sonata/2001per07.gif


    the new EF sonata.. in korea is offered with the same old engines... 1.8, 2.0, 2.5 ... hp figures aren't listed..


    as for the porsche/audi tranny... i'd have to say yes.. although the site doesn't state that... it's very very close/same


    you must take into fact that hyundai does use porsche consulting services..(products like the tiburon etc...)

  • john115john115 Member Posts: 45
    Remember,where the Avalon is made.Kentucky,with 80%
    American parts.Mostly from GM,ouch.A/C compressor,
    water pump,etc.Compare warrantees,I got rid of a
    Toyota Camry.for anXG300.Iv'e had 4 Toyotas,very
    good cars,but the Avalon & Camry are made in America,with mostly American parts.Why doesn't
    Toyota offer a longer warranty?
  • giowagiowa Member Posts: 599
    What is your point? That only Japanese-made Camrys are well built? I believe various internal and external studies have failed to show statistically significant differences between the same vehicle made in Japan versus the USA. I know a zillion people who own and drive and buy again American-made Camrys. They seem satisfied.

    Toyota does offer a longer warranty, you can find it at Lexus! They will be happy to sell you an ES300, essentially a "Camry". Hyundai & Kia's warranties are marketing strategies designed to help overcome American resistance to the previous terrible build quality which we all remember from the 1980s. I don't believe Hyundai offers this warranty in Europe. Do they in Korea or Australia?

    Hey, but you know what I think when I think Korean manufacturing? I think militant labor unions, many of which are socialist or communist dominated. They are some of the most aggressive in the world. Look at what they are doing to undermine selling Daewoo to a non-Korean buyer. But did this anti-capitalist labor militancy stop me from buying my loaded '00 Sonata GLS 5-speed w/Pkg 13? No.
  • gtmustanggtmustang Member Posts: 41
    I owned a 1997 Camry Ce. It was a "fair" car with a decent engine, but it was not built well. The rubber gaskets around the door frames on each door got "sucked in" into the door frame after I got the car detailed. The rubber is not too thick and it stretches causing it to get tucked into the door frame. This is a quality problem. Also, there was no chrome or wood on the interior of the car. It was "generic" looking. I got rid of it. I will never buy a Camry again. I own a Hyundai and I like its price and better build quality than Toyota.
  • in2dadarkin2dadark Member Posts: 18
    did they start making Camrys in USA? That is the main thing that scares me away from Camry..If it was still made in Japan I would buy one in a minute..That is also the main thing that attracts me to Hyundai...That it is made on foreign soil...Keep the American attitude out of the car making process and (to me) you are one half way to success ( heck just look at this spell check as an example of americans handy work)....Tell me about your XG's ..good and bad...??? If this were linked (as it should b) to the edmunds page on the xg it would get more hits and we ALL would know more about this mystery the xg...Anyone no how??
  • yk911yk911 Member Posts: 130
    I don't believe Hyundai offers this warranty in Europe. Do they in Korea or Australia?
    ----- i don't know about australia.. but in korea.. 80% of the cars sold are "korean" cars.
    it's the only choice for people that can't afford
    imported cars such as GM/BMW/ETC.ETC...
    so hyundai doesn't have to offer an extensive warranty..

    Hey, but you know what I think when I think Korean manufacturing? I think militant labor unions, many of which are socialist or communist dominated.
    .. hold up.. where are you getting this "idea" from? communist? socialist? i hope you aren't confusing north korea with south korea.. ^_^
    hmmm... be there in the flesh.. to get the real deal on the situation.. before you jump to conclusions based on media sources please.

    as for the mystery of the XG... they're isn't any..it's just a sonata made bigger with most of the sonata compontents installed.

    struts front and rear = same as sonata
    climate control = same as upper model sonata
    transmission= sonata tranny with extra 5th gear
    structually it's a sonata with a bigger floor pan... ^_^

    where am i getting all this? a "dealer" only interactive CD ROM...

    CHEERS~!
  • mickjmickj Member Posts: 4
    My computer went down and I just got on to see that you responded about the auto function problem. It did work as you described in your message. The dealer said that the auto function did not make it over here in the US. I pretty much thought he was blowing smoke cause they didn't know.
    Anyway, thanks again for your time in answering my message.
  • sobright1sobright1 Member Posts: 78
    As an update on the towing issue I thought you might find the local dealer's response humorous. They indicated that they could not find a reference to towing in the owner's manual. Given that xk911 was quoting from this manual I guess I'll have to try to get my hands on one and look myself. I also thought it was odd that they suggested that I call U-haul to get this information on THEIR vehicle. I doesn't exactly instill confidence in my local dealer. Also, it is 25 miles from my house to the dealer so getting all of my maintenance, particularly simple stuff like oil changes, done at the dealer or placing my warranty in jeopardy is for me nearly impossible. This makes the warranty nearly useless and is a far more rigid standard than most other automakers adhere to. I sure do like the car though.

    Regarding American Camrys, while they maintain a lower frequency of repair than most other vehicles American or foreign, it is obvious that Toyota quality has slipped compared to Honda, the two manufactures who are generally regarded by nearly every automotive magazine as the top two in terms of quality. Among other problems, many Camry's and Avalon's of late have suffered from strut problems and problems with window seals. You need no more than to read the various posts here on Edmunds to see what parts are problematic. While these posts are far from scientific, Hyundai products in general seem to be held in higher esteem by those posting to these forums than do Toyota products. Frankly, this is the only reason that I would even consider a Hyundai product. It is also somewhat telling when some of the models have more posts about problems and maintenance than about other aspects of the vehicle.
  • parkchesterparkchester Member Posts: 13
    why dont you post that dealer cd somewhere? it wsa fun when the dealer website had no password protection:)...good while i was shopping, i could download the full warranty & see the HFC credit score=finance rate criteria as well as rebate plans...

    oh, go ahead, post it & tell us where ...
  • justinjustin Member Posts: 1,918
    Just be glad you did not buy a 98-2000 Nissan Altima.......not sure why they even bothered with window seals. They don't seem to do anything, especially keep out wind and rain. Does not help to get new ones since it is a design issue.

    remember - there is ALWAYS something worse than what you have.
  • yk911yk911 Member Posts: 130
    parkchester.... when i said "dealer" only cd.. i meant Hyundai Interactive Training program for the XG300 that was sent out to "dealers" only..

    pretty much impossible for me to post this cd anywhere.. due to the amount of info etc...

    cheers~!
  • giowagiowa Member Posts: 599
    I'm NOT confusing the two Koreas. N. Korea does NOT allow independent non-government controlled labor unions.

    For many decades S. Korean industrial labor unions have been infamous for their militancy. Violent strikes, sit downs, confrontations with management, etc. All one needs to do is read things like The Economist, Wall Street Journal, Business Week, Forbes, Fortune, NY Times, etc. Look at what the labor unions are doing in regard to aggressively fighting needed layoffs at bankrupt Daewoo! (S. Korean students also good at rioting & disrupting. Maybe this should be an Olympic Sport for labor unions and student protesters???)

    But note, I don't hold this against the company that makes the products. I bought and love my '00 Sonata GLS w/Pkg 13. Have almost 16,000 troublefree miles!!!
  • hyundaimahyundaima Member Posts: 197
    Do you work for a Hyundai dealer? How did you get hold of that CD??
  • marshmallowmarshmallow Member Posts: 17
    F.Y.I.

    I had a prior posting regarding test driving an XG300L several weeks ago. We still find the car appealing and will probably make this model our next purchase when the time comes. I spoke with a dealer in Marion, Illinois this morning and they are offering 16 inch wheels and tires to customers for an additional $600. There are several styles of wheels from which to choose. However, they are also marking up the vehicle $1,500 due to demand. They had no I models on their lot. Just one XG300. I live in central Illinois and thus far, there are no dealer markups. The dealer said in April, 16 inch wheels and tires will become an option.

    Does anyone think that on the 02 models there will be an optional larger engine? I recognize this will all be at a higher price. Just wondering what you all have been hearing.
  • john0john0 Member Posts: 17
    Markup,,,,, why would anyone pay 1500 markup.. Since your in Illinois that's a short drive to Pennsylvania and you can call the dealer in the Pittsburgh area and as long as your not trading a car in just handle the deal over the phone. The dealer I got mine at has at least 15 in stock including L's. And there are no markups not even dealer prep fees.
  • gtmustanggtmustang Member Posts: 41
    Yes. The Camry is built in Kentuky here in the USA. Their fit and finish is not built well enough like the ones that are built in Japan. I also had squaking noise come from the front end of my 1997 Camry CE. The dealer had to change the whole Front Macpherson Strut system. If this car were built in Japan or even Korea, it wouldn't have had these problems.
    I also heard that Hyundai is looking to build a manufacturing plant here in the states. If this happens, the quality will go down like it did with Toyota and Nissan. I hope that Hyundai NEVER opens a car manufacturing plant here in the USA.
  • yk911yk911 Member Posts: 130
    gtmustang.... one thing to add.. hyundai had an El antra plant up here in canada.. but they had to close it down due to the volume they were moving.

    Made in Canada= Toyota corolla
    Solar and one more..
    I forget
    Honda civic
    odyssey

    hyundaima......sorry.. i can't say.... let's just say i got it on the web...

    giowa.....The Economist, Wall Street Journal, Business Week, Forbes, Fortune, NY Times? <----- all media hyped ...plus..
    even translated work can me misinterpreted...

    ah... and remember.. they're only showing you highlights.. which doesn't portray the situation in whole.
    call it what you want.. olympics and what not..but from a korean's perspective.. it's really no "big" deal... = )

    to all L owner's out there.. i emailed a dealership about getting my hands on a leather/wooden steering wheel... and guess what?
    the thing costs over 500 bucks? can you believe that? (the reason i want wooden/leather steering wheel is because the "canadian" models aren't offered the option.. and the cd changer)
  • fsaxonfsaxon Member Posts: 1
    Got my XG300L about a month ago here in San Dingo. I love it! This is one terrific car. My only complaint is the interior light, or lack of it. When opening the rear door at night the rear interior lights do not go on. Am I missing something? With the sunroof I only have the two map lights in the front seat. The map lights in back, (opera/reading lights) go on with a switch, but not when the door is opened. Any comments? Thanks.
  • hyundaimahyundaima Member Posts: 197
    It's on the web??? What's the address?
  • novotny_jacknovotny_jack Member Posts: 12
    yk911
    Thanks for all your replies. Any insight to the sale dates for EF here?
    Thanks
    Jack
  • yk911yk911 Member Posts: 130
    i see hyundai of north america selling the "new" sonata in about a year and a half from now..
    as hyundai korea will be introducing a 200hp tiburon "like" sibling in korea this summer.
    i doubt the new sonata will have the cvt option.. for some reason we get the watered down version of everything offered in korea.. e.g. sonata with
    glass embedded anntenna with navigation system etc...
    i guess it's just a cost cutting measure to sell more at a cheaper price.
    i've been looking into the mitsubishi diamante/magna... and from the appearance of things (mid section)... it's the same as the XG
    i don't know about the structural part.. but it looks like hyundai bought some design work from mitsubishi..(alot happens between the two companies)
  • yk911yk911 Member Posts: 130
    here are some pics for reference..
    http://www.geocities.com/diamanteowner/DiamanteSide.jpg
    http://www.geocities.com/diamanteowner/DIAMANTE4.gif
    http://www.geocities.com/diamanteowner/dia16.jpg
    http://www.geocities.com/diamanteowner/diamine.jpg
  • sobright1sobright1 Member Posts: 78
    After months of looking, and after verifying myself with little help from the dealer that the XG would tow up to 2000 pounds, I decided to make an offer on an XG300 yesterday. First I tried to see what they would give me for my '90 Mazda B2600 king cab - answer $2000 - pretty much what I expected though the truck is pretty clean and the $2000 offer was near the lowest book value. I thought that this would give me a negotiating point anyway. They then tried to subtract the $2000 from the MSRP. I rejected this offer immediately as they actually wanted more than I was willing to pay for the car even not including my trade in. Next I offered $23000 Cash for an L. model. By the way the regular XG's are going for $21,900 in Memphis. According to my calculations, my offer this allows them to make $682 if you include hold back or $182 if you do not include hold back. The dealer described my offer as "way off". He then went on to attempt to explain to me this rediculous advertising fee. At first he indicated that it was an additional $400, later he remarked that it was over $600. Frankly I agree with sentiments in an earlier post from Giowa. Advertising is a part of the manufacturers overhead, a cost of doing business. If these dealers are dumb enough to pay this fee, consumers ought to be smart enough to refuse it and shove it back down the manufacturers throat. I guess next they are going to charge for air in the tires. Also, seldom do I see an advertisement for a Hyundai. Usually one ad in most prominent car magazines but not often are commercials seen on TV. If the fee is actually $600+ then these dealers are getting ripped off by Hyundai even worse than their perspective buyers. At any rate I walked. I liked the car but was worried about the quality anyway. Now I have no clue what I may buy. I just won't go back to that dealer.

    One parting shot, car salesmen are useless to anyone but idiots. They seldom know as much about the car as informed buyers and if you are ready to spend thousands of dollars without learning all that you can about a perspective automobile then you deserve to be ripped off. The haggling, using a salesman as no less than a messenger between the perspective buyer and the sales manager is sheer lunacy. These people are little more than glorified greeters, one step above the "would you like a basket" type at WalMart. Offers and counter offers not withstanding, the whole process in this place made me want to take a bath.
  • yk911yk911 Member Posts: 130
    It is true most of the design concept is derived from Diamante.
    However, XG's platform is not identical. Actually, XG shares the platform with Sonata...
    Sonata is the successor to Galant.

    When I posted a message just like yours, a Hyundai designer denied XG is copy of Diamante and advised me Hyundai developed it for itself.

    Anyway, I think XG is a good choice and has good value compare to it's price range at least in KOREA...
  • sobright1sobright1 Member Posts: 78
    Via phone, I have spoken to four dealers in three states over the past two days, each time making an offer that is between 150 and $300 dollars over what is suppose to be invoice on an XG300L. Every one of them tells me that I am "way off" on my dealer cost pricing which on Edmunds, Yahoo, Excite, and Kelly's Blue Book all claim is @$22700. The last dealer indicated that he was looking at the invoice and that their actual cost of this vehicle is over $24,000 without any so called advertising fee. Interestingly enough, Edmunds TMV price is only $23,625 which, if correct, would indicate that these people are buying below cost. One dealer even told me that his MSRP on his vehicle was $26,525. All these sites say that the MSRP is $24,999. Unless they are just outright lying (and who would believe that a car salesman would do that) there is no way that these figures could get this large unless all of the figures on these sites are wrong. The only options appear to be a cargo net, floor mats, and a deflector for the sunroof (none of which are listed on Edmunds by the way) which would, even using a liberal figure, cost less than $200. Has anyone else run into this problem in their search?
  • astrolastrol Member Posts: 312
    Here is an example of what is available from my dealer in Gaithersburg area, outside Wash., D.C.: (He is no-haggle). Here is the address if you want to check yourself:


    http://www.fitzgeraldautomalls.com


    XG300L (the only one he has) Titanium w/pkg. 5 and mats + guards

    MSRP:$25574

    Invoice:$23524

    Red Tag:$24024 (His price includes free loaner, coupons, etc. i.e., the Fitgerald Advantage)

    Internet:$23685 (this is the lowest at which he sells aimed at long distance customers)


    I have never asked them but they seem to aim for the Edmunds TMV pretty consistently, within a few dollars either way, at least on the internet price. Some haggling is allowed, of course. Just depends on how popular the car is and what is the supply.

    Good Luck in your search.
  • yk911yk911 Member Posts: 130
    here is the forum where i'll be posting pictures of the mod's in process.. and pictures of modified XG's from korea.


    http://www.fxtreme.org/Ultimate/forumdisplay.cgi?action=topics&number=22&SUBMIT=Go

  • in2dadarkin2dadark Member Posts: 18
    Bathing is helpful . Personally, I have to resist the urge to boil myself after dealing with some of these 'vagrants' that have been allowed to occupy the lobbies of what 'could' be very respectable establishments...

    I too backed off when I was counter offered too far above tmv on an xg (somehow there seem to be alot of acronyms creeping into my life...hmmm).....

    Don't blink. That is what they want you to do. The invoice is dead on in here . I know because I nailed it with another manufacturer and if you went back and did it on a sonata you would get a diff. response.It is definatly a seductive automobile. But is overpriced and the residual is an issue. Also at issue is the fact that they make you document your scheduled service. If hyundai has put the past behind them , why not stand behind the warranty instead of trying to get out of it ??This vehicle is also only 400 lbs. lighter than a chev. blazer. Good Gas mileage is also something one should expect from this package. I think it is lacking...

    Don't get me wrong.. I think Hyundai is on the right track. I allways look for an unappreciated entity. But to give a warranty with one hand and try to get out of it with the other, proves they still have some stinkin in their thinkin...at least my 14 cents worth...
  • giowagiowa Member Posts: 599
    There is much more than 400 pound weight difference between Chevy Blazer and XG300. Using CR's 4/01 Annual Auto Issue Specifications chart, a Blazer weighs 4,225 pounds. An XG300 weighs 3,660. That difference is almost 600 pounds. Of course, I'm guessing depending upon options a Blazer can weigh less or more than 4,225 pounds.

    Hyundai's own brochure lists XG300 weight at 3,604 pounds. That would make it more than 600 pound difference with a Blazer.

    And I don't know what you are complaining about concerning fuel economy. EPA lists XG300 at 19 city and 27 highway. That ain't bad for a 3.0L V-6 car with automatic transmission. If like Sonata, it would run on 87 octane. Unlike some cars requiring premium (e.g, Maxima).
  • in2dadarkin2dadark Member Posts: 18
    My 95 chevy blazer loaded lt with 4 wd weighs 4,000 lbs. plus or minus a few accoring to THIS web site...The environmental protection agency also said I would get better gas mileage on my blazer than I did..The people in here and other sites are the ones complaing about the mileage so don't get mad at me..The xg weighs six hundred pounds more than an equally equipped camry or accord (20 percent more). But don't get me wrong I like the car.. Heck I was dumb enough (as a 23 y.o.) to buy a 1980 MGB limited edition black during the last year of production (1980)... Could be a collectors item today...If people saw it the way I did...
  • giowagiowa Member Posts: 599
    1. Using CR data and comparing apples to apples would lead XG300 (3,660 pounds) being compared against Acura 3.2TL (3,460), Lexus ES300 (3,390) and Infiniti I30 (3,410). So the luxury XG300 weighs about 250 pounds more than similar competing luxury cars. A bit portly, but by less than 10%.

    2. EPA has worked hard to make their estimates more accurate. City est. is always hard to peg down between two different drivers in two completely different urban settings (say NY City vs. Omaha, NE); however, highway ratings have been accurate for me. My current fully loaded '00 Sonata GLS w/Pkg 13 & 5-speed manual stickered at 21/28 mpg. I do get anywhere from about 26-30 mpg on highway. The EPA highway rating has been quite accurate on both my '00 Lincoln LS8 Sport and my '96 Impala SS. Was also accurate on my former '97 Camaro V-6 5-speed manual Sport. EPA underestimated the highway mileage for my '96 Infiniti G20t auto and G20 manual by about 4 mpg.
  • hyundaimahyundaima Member Posts: 197
    Proof of maintenance is not a condition for getting your car repaired under warranty. But common sense tells you to keep all the service receipts just in case they claim later skipping certain item(s) in the regular maintenace schedule is the CAUSE of the breakdown.. hope you come out of the dark and get this right.
  • in2dadarkin2dadark Member Posts: 18
    I am enlightened now!! But still I did not buy a vehicle that is worth about half of what I paid for it the minute I drive it away...

    ARE YOU SERIOUS when you compare this to a LEXUS...? (comparing tuna to lobster?) Sorry this is near luxury on its best day...

    MOMMY-Time will tell regarding your warranty. But I have read here and on other sites about the need to document maintanace with hyundai...No other manufacturer ever asked me for proof. Also the sales manager admitted I should keep documentation if I bought one.

    I have enough to worry about thank you Hyundai....When I get insurance I want to know they are going to pay off and not nit pick...I don't know this in this case...

    But you all enjoy your new toys.. I wish you the best. I only gamble when the odds are 50-50 or better...

    Plastic grill and cheap feel to some interior components in addition to some not so smooth shifting of the auto trans told on them for me...

    But I think they are making serious inroads on their in house issues.. I also drove a Santa Fe...These are selling well..But they have too much body roll among other things. Even my 18 y.o. said PASS!
  • giowagiowa Member Posts: 599
    The comparison you raised was in regard to weight. You started off by bringing up the SUV Blazer. Not a valid comparison (and your weights were off by a significant factor).

    The better apples-to-apples weight (and EPA mileage) comparison is with ES300, I30, & 3.2TL. XG300 has similar engine/tranny, options, size, etc. If you want to compare things on price or market perception/psychology and then compare those similarly priced cars on weight, that is hardly fair to the higher optioned car that will weigh more.

    Using price alone would be ludicrous. That would lead to comparing your Blazer to a loaded Mazda Miata. Both might have a $25K sticker price but they are wildly different and thus not appropriate to compare in regard to weight.

    I really don't care if the market (i.e., the average uniformed Joe or Jane) currently views a loaded XG300 similar to a base Camry. The XG300 is not designed to compete directly with that vehicle. A loaded Sonata GLS is. The XG300 is designed to take Hyundai into the near-luxury realm where ES300 & I30 are.

    But for the sake of weight comparions and EPA estimates, feel free to compare XG300 to FULLY LOADED V6 automatic Camry, Accord, and Maxima. These will have MSRP's higher than XG300 and their weights will be close to their corporate kissin' cousins (ES300, 3.2 TL, and I30), to which they are closely related except for some options, price, warranty, and sheetmetal. (Why anyone buys an I30 over a loaded Maxima GLS is beyond me, so maybe you are right. Foolish buyers will pay thousands more for essentially the same car with a different name.)
  • hyundaimahyundaima Member Posts: 197
    Ahhhh a sales manager at a HYUNDAI dealer told you owners should keep all the service documents...now that makes you more credible, doesn't it? But why would anyone interpret that as a condition for receiving warranty service?? Say, my new Hyundai's alternator failed...what kind of proof of maintenance is required for a free replacement? air filter receipt from Pep Boys? Sworn affidavit from a buddy who inspected the CV joints? hmm?
  • patpat Member Posts: 10,421
    Will you shoot me an email please? pat455@edmunds.com. Thanks.

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  • habbhabb Member Posts: 3
    Has anyone out there had trouble finding the XG300 in evening fog? In southern california most dealers haven't even seen one yet.
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