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Volkswagen Passat 2005 and earlier



  • vwguildvwguild Posts: 1,620
    First of all, I want to thank you for taking the time to respond to my post regarding your recent
    purchase. Contained in that response you will find one of the answers to your question...
    "Why is it that you are spending so much of your time guarding the Passat shopping flock anyway?"
    Please take note...that is a direct quote...

    Here is another direct quote from post #18 of #31,
    "Just got my Silver/Grey 2001 GLX 4M for about $150 over invoice."

    And then there is this direct quote..."I simply made the best deal I could for me - and he did make the $150 plus 2% for a few hours of working with me."

    I detect here a small inconsistency...There is a
    slight difference between the $150 that you said
    you paid and the $731.06 that you really paid. Hard invoice on a GLX 4MO is $29,053 including
    $525 Destination...2% over is $581.06 + $150...
    well, you get the picture, and I hope everyone else does as well. I must say that if you paid
    $731.06 over on this car you got a great deal, but
    you made a statement that was inaccurate, and that is why I take the time to make these posts.

    Getting a new car should be a wonderful, happy
    experience; for most, it is the 2nd most single
    most expensive investment a person makes, and by
    making even one person believe that they can do
    something that they cannot do sets them on a course that can only lead to a frustrating, time
    consuming odyssey that results in something that is certainly less than fun.

    Going back to the beginning of your post...If you
    had "wandered onto my lot" you would have never
    met me. I am the Internet Sales Manager, and do
    not "take ups".`If you went to my website, you
    would find there my entire inventory...all priced
    basically in accordance with Edmunds *TMV*. True,
    there are variances, but they are both more and
    LESS, depending upon availability.

    As to my intentions, they are really quite simple... to provide, as best I can, information
    that is clear, concise, and provide
    advice that is is sound and practical...and finally to protect people from information or
    statements of fact that are untrue.

    I participate here without the cloak of anonymity,
    and I believe that, for the most part, I have responded to requests for assistance in a timely
    and professional manner, whether that be on the phone or email or fax.

    The internet provides a forum for a multitude of voices, and for the most part without prejudice,
    but with that freedom also comes responsibility...
    I believe that I participate here in a responsible way...I hope that I am not scaring anyone by being candid and forthright.
  • busanbusan Posts: 12
    I did forget about the $1K dealer let's revise.

    $25,090 Invoice Price
    $ 1,000 Holdback
    $24,090 Adjusted Invoice Price
    $24,190 Purchase Price
    $ 100 Over invoice purchase price
  • vwguildvwguild Posts: 1,620
    DH...If I remember two got a GLS,
    4MO, no roof, no wheels, and cloth. Invoice on that is $24,770 plus $117 for Port Prep, and
    Destination $525. = $25,412. You paid $24,190...or $1222 back of invoice. And now that I think about it, the Dealer Incentives did not apply to 4MO.

    Holdback is 3% of MSRP...$806.25 Destination not included.

    Dennis, I've said it before, you got a great deal on this very unusual Passat. And you said it yourself... you took what was in the showroom.
    Nothing special...They took a real loss on this car, as you can see, secondary to bad ordering, and I am sure that whoever ordered it got an earful from the Owner, but you two have the Passat
    that works for you and that is the most important part...PS
  • josephf1 couldn't have expressed my reservations better than he did in Response #25!! Seems like there's a fear factor in buying a VW, even thought the test drive's so satisfying. I had a 1990 Corrado and swore off VW's because of the unroadworthy and very expensive tires it came with that VW wouldn't accept any responsibility for. Lots of dollars in dealing with that problem. I'm torn between the GLX with 5-speed and the Maxima 20th Anniversary edition with 5-speed and I want to come down on the Passat side. But then there's the likelihood of trouble- freedom on the Maxima side! Any more help - no dealers please!!!!!
  • Sorry, you didn't understand my comment about
    making "$150 plus 2%." I was referring to what I
    had been led to believe was the 2% holdback. Just
    above you said it was 3%. Whatever. I just know
    that the dealer acknowledged that there was a
    holdback when I included it in our conversation as
    to how much money the dealer was making on our

    I know I paid only $150 over the invoice because I
    saw the invoice. There was no "dealer fee" added.
    I am again taking the time to respond to your post
    because you are inaccurately correcting me. I hope
    you and everyone else gets the picture.

    I agree that $700 or $800 over invoice would have
    been a good deal. I just got a great deal. The
    dealer did have a lot of Passats in stock and it
    was near the end of the month and the dealer knew
    I was going to buy a car within 24 hours. It was
    just a matter of from whom. I gather that within a region dealers are very competitive and don't want a rival getting a sale. I presume allotments of new cars the next month depend on sales the previous month. Maybe I got a dealer in exactly the right situation for a savvy buyer. I'm not sure how or why I got such a good deal and don't mean to imply that everyone could end up with as good. But I took time to post it to let others know that they should try taking a fairly aggressive negotiating stance.

    I must say your tone has been quite moderated from
    your first sneering, inflammatory comments to me.
    That's nice and I assume that will work better for
    you in the long run. Maybe you should refrain
    from posting here when you've had too much coffee - *especially* if you only do your business through the internet.

    So please just give me credit for negotiating
    aggressively and quote me correctly. Once you do,
    I can forever stop checking this site and go out and have fun in my new Passat! My only intention in being here in the first place was to pass the word that great deals are possible. Have a nice and polite day.
  • vwguildvwguild Posts: 1,620
    Would not want to do any thing to stand in the way
    of your enjoyment of your new Passat. I had just
    returned from Volkswagen de Mexico, in Puebla at
    around 3:00AM; so a good nights sleep would
    probably been a better use of time. I any event
    enjoy your new ride...
  • vwguildvwguild Posts: 1,620
    Let me also say that I am sorry that I let my
    pride get in the way...At VW, Customer Loyalty
    and Value are the cornerstones of what we do everyday. For one of our dealers to treat our
    Flagship Product like distress mechandise is appalling.
    After our more extended exchanges it seems that
    you are a reasonable and thoughtful individual, and that if you say that is the deal you got, then
    I believe that is the deal you got. But no wonder
    he had a lot of Passats on the ground...Out here
    we cannot get enough of them, and thus it is
    very hard to comprehend giving them away. In
    addition, that policy takes away all Value.

    As I mentioned last night, there has to be a fair amount of oneupmanship being posted and that
    really does set the stage for customer disappointment when that individual can't replicate the deal that they read one
    wins...unless, of course, they find out where you
    got yours...

    So, once again, drive and enjoy...I will attempt
    to be a little less enthusiastic in my responses
    in the future, keeping in mind that as hard as some of us work to create a more professional,
    value oriented environment, that there are still
    a number of dealers who believe it is business as
    usual. Making up what they lost on your deal by
    trying to bury someone else...sad.

    Take care...PS
  • jed1894jed1894 Posts: 337
    No problems yet with my 2001 Passat (5000 miles). Today I had my wife take the car for the 5000 service and what a pleasure. She was out in 1 and 1/2 hours....and on a Saturday too. The Saturday service is a major plus for us...we work all week and would have to take a day off for the service. We also live about 1.5 hours from the dealer.

    We also drove Nissan Max., Honda Accord, Toyota Camry, and numerous other brands. After driving all, we came back to the Passat wagon. At this point, and I stress at this point, the car is GREAT! Probably the best car I've (and my wife) owned (although I'm a truck man). The bottom line: my wife loves it.

    By-the-way,,,,,,the staff at VW are outstanding so far. Good luck.

  • jed1894jed1894 Posts: 337
    Oh yea.....if you can, get the hauls A#%. It will smoke my V8 truck. The power is really remarkable.

  • marsha7marsha7 Posts: 3,703
    Thanks for clearing part of my confusion. It appears that this Passat-Plus may be a great way to buy an A6 w/o the A6 price. And, 280 Hp will be more than sufficient, better than a 2.7 turbo. Maybe the interiors won't be as snazzy as Audi, but won't the cars be virtually the same except for price? Also, are there more VW repair shops than Audi, or am I blowing smoke to myself?

  • Apology accepted. That jet lag can be heck.

    I understand your sensitivity about oneupsmanship on this site, but bragging had nothing to do with why I wrote about my deal. More to help others know that they can negotiate successfully. It's a matter of helping each other, no?

    Now that we've made up, I'm going to keep my promise about doing something else on the internet in the future rather than checking in on Passat VIII. Good luck all.
  • vwguildvwguild Posts: 1,620
    This car, which we will see mid to late summer
    will be the first in a series of stair step
    products from VW/Audi and Porsche...The Passat
    Plus will be first then the Porsche built SUV that
    we will share and finally the D1 Varient. If you go to archives for Oct./Nov
    1999, there is an interview with Herr Neumann from
    the Frankfurt trade show...pretty interesting
    stuff...then check out *timeline* at the same site. No smoke...just better value...
  • rickroverrickrover Posts: 602
    I haven't had a problem with my 2000 GLS 1.8t in 10k miles. A freind at work has a 99 Passat GLX with 40k that hasn't had any problems either. Another guy at work has a mid 80's Jetta with over 300k miles - I doubt that it's been trouble free in all those miles but I can tell you it's still on the road, I parked next to it the other day.

    It will be interesting to see if VW can pull off this migration up-market with the Passat plus and D1.
  • snurplesnurple Posts: 130
    Have you thought of switching over to selling Saturns? That way, you wouldn't have to deal with all of the nogotiating and haggling and tension.

    Saturn has done pretty well (via their no-haggle pricing) at overcharging people who don't mind paying more for that "feel-good feeling" that you claim the act of buying a car should be all about.

    Unfortunately for most people, BUYING a car isn't much fun at all--DRIVING a new car can be--but actually walking into dealer after dealer to find both a fair deal and a pleasent salesman is a difficult and often lengthy process. That, precisely, is why forums like these exist--for people to share their stories and exchange information.

    Well, why don't you join in. Perhaps you could share your side of the story regarding the interest-rate padding scam that was just discussed on 20/20 on Friday. Is it true, as 20/20 and the New York Times claim, that dealers consistently bump-up the interest rates they get back from the bank and pocket additional profits? (i.e., Dealer Dan says to an hopeful customer: "The best the bank can do given your relatively poor credit is 13.5%"--when in fact the bank actually came back with 10.5% and the dealer just added a 3% interest rate markup!)

    If you are an honest, upstanding dealer, I think that all of the consumers at this site would appreciate your insight into how to avoid the various scams that other dealers employ. I suspect that this would probably be much more helpful for us than what you appear to be saying in your last few posts--which is basically: "Don't go into a dealer with any hope of getting a great deal."
  • vwguildvwguild Posts: 1,620
    Your second *snippy* response in the last few days
    oh well...I am sorry that the 20/20 piece and
    that of the Times has come to you so late...I believe that practically every major forum has
    advised that the customer arrange their own financing before going out to buy a car...not unlike getting a pre-approved mortgage. This sane
    advice, pretty logical too, helps the less disciplined not to look beyond their means. I have already addressed this issue when I stated
    a few posts back, that practically every customer
    I have comes in with a loan already approved. This is generally through their business related
    credit union or a FCU/Bank. Or they are *one pays* personal check, etc. I also mentioned that if Volkswagen Credit is offering a better rate; I
    will give them the opportunity to take advantage
    of same. The 2000 Buildout rates etc., that were
    offered during August & Sept. were coupled with
    Incentive cash to the dealer, HOWEVER, the customer could only avail themselves of one or the other; not both. A customer either got the rate 3.9% for 24mos, for example or an additional
    $1000 discount from the dealer...whichever the
    customer found more favorable to their situation.

    Have you every seen an add for companies that say
    *rent to own*? If will find there the
    folks that are the most typical *victims* of this practice...they are also the the folks that pay 19%-21% for their credit cards, they probably
    have a *repo* on their credit report or collection, collection, collection, collection, collection, collection, discharged, collection.
    Like everything in a free market society, an
    individual pays for services rendered, and this
    is one of the fees that the less responsible
    among us pay.

    On the other hand, their are those who have been
    responsible with their purchases, paid their bills
    on time, have a little money in the bank, and a
    computer in the den, and KNOW what rates they
    are entitled to. Almost catagorically, every
    dealer will roll a car based on an *either or*...
    short for either our rate or yours. If a customer
    can get a better rate, then, that is honored...if
    not; the either prevails. Automoblie Dealers
    work very hard creating relationships with lenders;
    that work allows them to get loans approved for
    people that other wise couldn't finance a ham
    sandwich...and for this, the dealer can elect to
    compensate itself for that influence and effort.
    To be *PC*..."those with less than perfect credit" pay more...always have and always will...
    no one in this country is rewarded for being

    Finally, as reluctant as I am to even acknowledge
    your first and last...let me suggest that you go
    to my site...I believe that it is possible to
    provide a customer with a fair hassles,
    no haggling, no back and forth to a Manager...I are one, and to have a great experience. Exactly
    what you are suggesting in your Paragraph #3. If the Internet Prices posted there are not enough
    the customer can go elsewhere and go into the
    trenches...and rid themselves of the great experience part, as well as the no hassle, no
  • snurplesnurple Posts: 130
    I've always considered my comments to be the first not the second.

    VWGuild: I seem to disagree with one of your core beliefs--I do not think that the auto industry should prey on the weak, even if we do live in a "free market." Your defense of the usury practiced in these instances by your industry (in collusion with the banks) is a classic attempt to "blame the victim." Of course the buyer should beware, but that doesn't excuse the deception.

    The Edmund's True Market Value often exceeds the prices from other internet buying sites because it takes into account what some people have *overpaid* for a particular model. Those who want a good deal should use the TMV as one of their many references, but they also should also shop around, pitting dealer against dealer.

    By all means, go check out Mr. VWGuild's site, but don't assume it's a good deal... After all, the bricks and mortar dealer that employs him wouldn't want his internet prices to undercut their lot pricing by too much--or else people would think that the lot was charging way too much.

    I would think it much more effective to shop an internet site bid around to several dealers and see who wants to do business.

    Can't wait for the 2001.5 Passat! In case you forgot what bb this was... ;-)
  • vwguildvwguild Posts: 1,620
    Unless I need to get a new Prescription the word
    there is *Snippy*. And according to Merriam-Webster's Collegiate Dictionary...USURY is interest in excess of a legal rate...

    And, sir, I do not equate *the weak* with the
    irresponsible. And I do not know who the *victims
    are that are being blamed*, nor for what...
  • I would like to put a cd changer in my 2K passat it has a monsoon radio system with no cd ; however the radio has a cd select button. It appears that it is already wired into the trunk.Can anyone help?
  • vwguildvwguild Posts: 1,620
    You can go to Circuit City or your local VW
    Dealer, or you can order direct from VW.COM
    under accessories
  • want to do it myself(cheap) Is it hard? I think I just need the adapter and the changer am I right?
  • vwguildvwguild Posts: 1,620
    Circuit City will obviously give you more options
    price hard cost, installed is $350, but
    that cost carries the same 2/24 warranty as the car...if you have a problem...we replace it with a new one.

    Easy to install, yes. But in order for the system
    to operate PERFECTLY it has to be programmed at
    the Dealership...Other posts about that here somewhere, problems, etc.

    Shop and compare...I think the VW.COM price, and
    you can get that at a Dealership, is pretty fair.
  • butch11butch11 Posts: 153
    Any dealership has to get a huge profit margin to maintain their lifestyle. Go with Best Buy-you will get a better product for less money. The big deal with CD changers is mechanical reliability-ask around-check out Crutchfield and BB before making a purchase decision.

    Avoid car dealerships like the plague-they rank right behind politicians and lawyers for their propensity to lie, cheat and steal.
  • SporinSporin Posts: 1,066
    I bought my changer and brackets at the dealership for about $300. It took me longer to find a screwdriver then to instal the thing.

    It all works perfectly, every feature, and the dealer didn't need to tough it at all.
  • vwguildvwguild Posts: 1,620
    I have an updated program guide for the mix feature, etc. If you would like it; I can fax it to you...
  • wjqiwjqi Posts: 8
    I have a 2K Passat and would like to install a CD changer also. I have the Monsoon system and I believe the CD is prewired. But I want to install an in-dash CD changer. I asked the local dealer, they said it is in nationwide back order. Are you guys saying that the dealer has them now? Or I am talking about a different thing.
    Thanks for any information.
  • r34r34 Posts: 178
    Is the extended warranty necessary ? The dealer told me to extend to 4 years will be $899 and 5 years will $999. The 2 years bumper-bumper seems to be very short. Will the 10 years major components good enough ? How about things like oxygen sensors, airbags, and airbag control module ?

    I heard the Monsoon system is good but it lacks bass and it is hard to find an aftermarket amp to boost the Monsoon system. I am thinking of getting the basic stereo and then replace the speakers and add an amp for the system. Any suggestions ? Thanks.
  • Hi folks,

    Anybody has any infor on how to install a new CD/receiver on Passat? (2000 GLS v6)??

  • jed1894jed1894 Posts: 337
    If I had it to do again I would not get the Monsoon system. I am very disappointed in the sound quality for what I paid for it. It's not that great. My Chev. truck AM/FM Stereo sounds as good or better. You're exactly right....the base is not that good.

    However, the Passat's (X3) I looked at all had the Monsoon system....leaving no option. If I wanted the vehicle, I had to buy the system. You may run into the same problem.

    Otherwise....the Passat has been a great riding vehicle. Very happy at 5300 miles.

  • vwguildvwguild Posts: 1,620
    It is very important that you all read the Monsoon
    booklet that came with your Owner's Manuals...

    This System is 200 watts/8 channels, but you have to know how to operate it...For example, you have
    to set treble, bass, and mid for each medium...
    am, fm, cd, & tape because those sources are so
    dramatically different.

    If you have problems please contact me...I would be happy to help.

    Believe me...this is a great system, but it also
    sophisticated and requires a little effort to is not just a matter of hitting the
    power button.
  • jed1894jed1894 Posts: 337
    I read the book twice (three times now after reading vwguild's post) and it still sounds the same. Matter-of-fact, I've been playing with it for the last hour trying to improve sound. Don't misunderstand me.....the system sounds good, but just not worth what it cost (in my opinion).

    In my humble consumer opinion.....unless you're into a sophisticated sound system that requires reading a manual or book to operate, I'd get the regular sound system and save the bucks. I personally want a car radio I can operate without reading a manual. PLUG N PLAY! There's enough reading on other more important topics.

    Bottomline: when I bought the car I did not pay much attention to the sound of the system. The price definitely caught my eye but I figured it was a really nice radio. Plue it was the only wagon on the lot. On the way home (1.5 hour drive) my wife drove and I read the manuals and played with knobs, controls, etc. (the things we do with new cars) and I was kinda disappointed in the price of the sound system compared to what I heard.

    Good luck....

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