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Just my opinion of course. I currently have an Audi with "full leather seats" and it is a lot of work to maintain, and somewhat painful sometimes trying to contort to clean and condition all of the leather.
kirk
Oh yeah, if you think that inconspicuous cloth piece is bad, guess what the backs of your seats are made of. I hate to ruin your day, but they are a form of vinyl (cleverly disguised as leather).
They put leather on the seating areas, vinyl on the upper sides and back, and cloth on the side by the console. (By the way, they use cloth there so that you don't get "rubbing noises" like you would with vinyl.) I hate to dissappoint you but your car has vinyl on the backs of the seats as well as the outboard side.
It is simply too cost prohibitive and maintenance prohibitive to put full leather seating in an automobile that goes through the temperature ranges and abuse that a vehicle puts it through.
No one is ripping you off, it's just the way things are done.
I am very interested in buying a TB, but am not sure which way to go. Any help along this line will be appreciated.
Thanks,
Ron Hammer
I believe that sums it up.
Kirk
As for Drivers Info Center and automatic a/c, I don't have it on my Envoy and I don't feel that I'm missing anything. I have it on my BMW and it's generally useless. I can make the Envoy quite comfortable without the automatic climate control. Further, the more sophisticated computer stuff you have in the vehicle, the more that can go wrong. Just think how much it would cost to repair one of those systems if it broke after expiration of the warranty.
Fortunately, we qualify for GMS pricing so everything went fine until we started running payments. The lease contract doesn't carry an APR but something didn't seem right so I asked to see his finance screen. The APR was 1% higher than what I was originally quoted. After haranguing the F&I guy, he called the manager and they made some BS excuse up about miscommunication. He ran the payments again and now I was suspicious. He handed me the contract and I asked to see his screen again and right in front of me he switched the still 1/2% higher rate to what I was supposed to be paying. Him and I went back and forth. He claimed it was right, I walked straight out and found the sales manager. The sales manager grabbed me by the arm and escorted me back, acting as if he was going to fix everything but instead just wanted to get me out of the showroom. The F&I guy then said he would fix it again but when I saw the contract, they had skimmed my trade, albeit only $25. He then finally fixed this. What a nightmare!
This was in Columbus, Ohio. Here are the final #'s, opinions are appreciated:
MSRP=37,000
GMS= 32329
residual (15k/yr) 50%
APR= 6.1%
payment= 548
I traded an old beater for $1000 and had the first payment and tag fees deducted from that with approx $395 balance used as cap cost reduction, i.e. no cash down. Security deposit was waived. $525 acquisition fee
I think they still shaved me at least .2% on the APR and have no idea about the rest of it. My payment went from 583 down to 548 when all was said and done.
Thanks for allowing me to vent
Who was the dealer?
When I bought my Bravada at Chesrown, I was in the F&I's office for less than 5 minutes.
It was the most pleasurable experience buying a car since I left Detroit.
bob
that 50% residual for the '02 Trailblazer seems to be on the low end .. very surprising..especially since it's an '02 model and a new design..
I have a '99 'bourbon that has 9+ mo. left on its lease.. GMAC just sent out early lease termination specials coupon .. in other words they'll take the old '99 back no penalties for early termination/wipe out rest of payments toward any new GM product.. was thinking about looking at a new '02 TB.. but at 50% residual may not consider afterall..
appreciate your posting the info
"Electronically Controlled Air Suspension (ECAS), with ECAS, air "springs" replace the standard rear coil springs for superior damping and improved isolation from road noise. Two axle-mounted sensors monitor the air springs to control a compressor that inflates or deflates the air springs as necessary to maintain a level load"
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Go down to "Incentives & Rebates" and enter your state. It will probably vary by the region you live in. I am in Iowa, and the rates it gave me were the same as you mentioned.
jim f
jim f
Thanks, BB
I had a '98 Bravada as well and just leased an Envoy. I liked the looks better than the Bravada and didn't need all the extras for the higher price. I also looked at the Pathfinder but felt it was dated, too small inside and the seats were not that comfortable.
I wouldn't buy a Bravada unless you plan to keep it a very long time. The longer warranty may help in reaching that decision. I think leasing a Bravada may make more sense and now I am starting to see some more aggressive pricing on these vehicles. I do think the extinction of the brand (assuming it really happens) will affect resale value. You should check out the Envoy which rides as well as the Bravada. Mine has attracted a great deal of attention on the road.
http://www.auto.com/industry/iwirb25_20010425.htm
I think some of you may find this interesting.
Drew
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Does the Envoy have cornering lights? I don't think the TB does...can someone confirm?
GMS price = invoice - 3% of MSRP.
This is for cars bought 'off the lot'
GMO price = base invoice - 4.5% of base MSRP
+ options invoice - 3% of options MSRP
This is for cars your order.
The 1.5% difference is because the dealer need compensation for having the unit on his lot.
In addition to these prices, also subtract any applicable incentives.
Now, I have a question on GM Card cash. Is this pre or post tax? I know that they subtract your trade-in from the price before figuring tax, but do they also subtract the GM Card cash as well, or is it the same as paying with normal cash?