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This is my first custom order. Since this is my first brand new car, I want to get what I really want, so I am willing to wait. On the other hand, if any special financing deals come up during the time you are waiting, your dealer should be able to apply those to your purchase.
Isn't GM financing contingent from buying off of the dealer's lot? I don't think special orders will qualify for any delaer incentives/financing.
It said that the 5/60,000 mile warranty is available until 10/01/02. That's a long time away.
Anybody want to take any bets about olds being around for the 2003 model year?
You're right, if you actually study the fineprint very closely it says that the examples are based on a survey and that each dealer sets its own price. It doesn't say specifically whether it's based on the MSRP or something in between invoice and sticker. I had my salesman figure out the terms and then he had his manager doublecheck it, both times the figures matched. Because obviously this was a lot cheaper than the Envoy, I didn't want to jinx the deal and ask a lot of questions. This way when the truck arrives and if the dealership says that they goofed up and the payments are actually higher than what they told me at first, then I can argue that they should give it to me for their quoted price. If they don't, I'll just get my deposit back and walk out of there. When the Bravada arrives, I will get specific numbers and let you know what's going on.
#1021 - 4.10 gears in a 6 speed Camaro is no big deal. 2,000 rpm = 74 mph. I am positive we will still get 20% better mileage with our 350 HP, 4.10 geared Camaro than this SUV Trilogy. Hopefully, we will know for sure after the weekend.
All these lease discussions are very interesting. Spending $20 on a basic financial calculator (e.g.. Texas Instruments BA-35) would allow you to do all your own figuring. What is needed is MSRP on the vehicle, the residual value (49% of MSRP on a 36 month, 20,000 annual kilometer (12,500 miles) lease and 43% on 48/20,000), the initial cap cost (the price the dealer is selling the vehicle to the leasing company at, it should be the best cash price you can negotiate), the term, the interest rate, and down payment/trade-in. Leases are a "DUE" calcuation (payments made at the beginning of each month).
Something else to consider is that if you have the cash, but want to lease, prepaid leases save a bundle in interest costs. Here in Canada, where personal use of company supplied vehicles is taxable at a far higher value on purchased vehicles than on leased, this is a very attractive option.
Anybody else hear anything about this?
The camaro's 6 speed is .50. The triplets fourth gear is .70. Quite a difference in final drive.
But the taller tire will negate some of this difference. It is off the line where the taller tire hurts acceleration.
More questions for other Bravada owners:
Does your air compressor for the suspension make a lot of noise?
Does anyone have a problem closing the rear hatch? If I don't SLAM mine, extra hard, it won't latch.
Here in Nova Scotia the dealers have lots of el-cheapo Cavaliers and Sunfires in inventory but not a whole lot else. I did see several Grand Prix "special edition" supercharged cars, both coupe and sedan, with some unique alloy wheels and they looked very, very good. The GP is the only car I know where the 4-door looks better than the 2-door.
Also, re. the statement that Olds will be around to 2005, don't you believe it. By then they will have only a single product to sell, and how many dealers can survive on that? Even Gus Buenz, Olds PR, admitted in a statement the other week that he doesn't think it'll be that long either. I would bet that the 2003 season will be the last.
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ab348 : Only seen Envoy's in southern Ontario. Saw an ad for Trailblazers up in north Toronto though.
They are losing money now, why keep building?
My dealer knows nothing about any incentives. What part of the country do you live in?
One nice touch the rental Explorer had (and one of the few things I prefered to my Bravada) was a handhold on the edge of the liftgate - it made it easy to slam the lift hard enough. The strap is kind of wimpy.
As for the suspension, every once in a while I'll hear a very quiet hiss that lasts a second or two. If the sound system is cranked up (which I will admit I have done a few times - I really like it), I don't hear it at all, and if there's a couple of people talking or something it's usually not noticable at all.
Overall, after a couple of weeks I'm still very happy with it. I'm at about 450 miles, and it seems to be breaking in nicely - the engine is noticeably quieter at idle (from outside - I can't hear it at all from inside the cabin), and the shifting is getting smoother as well.
I'm thinking of getting some nylon strapping, and adding it to the vinyl strap looping inside the strap to reinforce it. Some rubber edging on the door edge might help with having a place to grab the hatch on the way down.
"General Motors is prepared to put heavy incentives on its jewels - large pickups and sport-utilities - to gain light-vehicle market share this year, according to Ron Zarrella, president of GM North America."
netsolstice : Complaints seem to be centered around gaps in the body cladding. Since they are made of plastic, they probably need space to expand from temperature change Maybe GM is a little cautious, but I don't think it's a sign of poor quality. These trucks seem very well built.
zeen : Yup.. regular 87 octane.
I still believe that there will be no new oldsmobiles after the 2003 model year. It would serve no purpose for GM to keep on building them if they are losing money. They are definitely losing money on the intrigue.
I still believe that the bravada is the best looking SUV on the road today. It just seems that they have these fit and finish issues that can't be resolved. If i were UAW i would be embarrased to let some of these vehicles out of the door.
I have not found any of the reported problems ... gaps, loose weatherstripping etc.
I will spend the next couple of evenings detailing it so I should come across most of the "niggles" that may be there.
Here's a picture: http://albums.photopoint.com/j/View?u=124100&a=936093&p=48519563&Sequence=0&res=med
As for fit and finish issues, I have only seen 3 Envoys and I inspected them closely. Quality was very good and on par with Pathfinders and Explorers.
I don't like the graining on the dashboard though, really cheap looking.
Also the windshield looks lile a mailslot. Not tall enough.
Those are my only complaints. I think that they will be a huge success.
The best I could do with $3500 down (GM cuoupon and GM points) plus first month payment was $395/mo. before the punitive 9% PA tax.
My dealer says they are really selling well now and doubts there will be any incentives prior to the fall.
My thanks to all of you who provided helpful information on this board.
Went by the local chevy dealer yesterday and
test drove a 2002 TB....Man what a beauty.
I gotta have that vehicle.Dilemma..dealer
is asking msrp and nothin better.I have not
purchased a new redesigned model year before.
Is this common pratice to receive full msrp.
I dont want to spend a lotta time contacting
other dealers in my area if its not gonna get
me anywhere. Any input on what you guys paid
would be most appreciated. I live in alabama
and i am looking to purchase not lease.
Bill
Don't pay MSRP. On the Envoy they offered $300 over invoice. The TB's are newer but if you wait and even get some price quotes on the internet (Edmunds, Carpoint etc) you'll do a lot better.
of a impulse buyer i will shop around and wait
to see if gm offers any kinda of year end rebate.
I read a lot of prior posts on the envoy.I would
like to know what the tb'rs think about there tb's.I got so excited test driving i thought i
was gonna pass out..
bill
You may want to check out www.southerngm.com. They also sell at $200 under invoice for Pontiac/GMC/Olds.
I used this site as a tool to get a better deal with the local dealers. I can recommend a dealer in central ohio if interested.
I can't understand why it would take gmc so long to make a car. Why don't they tell that the oak interior is really not available. I have not seen one Envoy with that interior.
The powertrain is nothing short of spectacular. My only complaints so far are somewhat excessive wind noise at the A-pillar(this hopefully will be correctable when I go back to the dealer), and a somewhat "clunky" transmission (seems to be getting better with time). This engine cries out for a wide-range 5 speed, and I can't imagine why they didn't come up with one.
As far as price goes, that is easy. Just go to CarsDirect.com, and price what you want(or what you want off their lot). They should be about $900-$1000 over invoice, which is still considerably below MSRP. Take that to your dealer, and you should be able to get $300-$400 better at a minimum. They can make a lot more selling to you at that price, than they can wholesaling the vehicle to CarsDirect.com. They don't like doing that, but generally will. There are also referral services on the net that just provide the negotiating service. I used the CarsDirect.com approach, and got a decent deal ($665 over invoice). I'm sure I could have squeezed a few hundred more out of them, but it just wasn't worth my time to prolong the process, especially since I had $2800 more in GM Card earnings to apply.
Bottom line: You don't have to pay MSRP, and you don't have to wait for year end incentives. Go for it!
Of course, everything I said above changes if you plan on trading in another vehicle......
Our rear window exploded on a windy day, has anyone heard of similar problems?? Replaced under warranty which is nice.
We love having the SUV back. It has 1400 miles and the gas mileage is improving. Now we get 15 mpg in the city. Not a problem with it.
It tows my two motorcycles and enclosed trailer without a problem (2500 lbs). Smoother than my older Tahoe.
Don't pay MSRP, I bought for $150 invoice in March and than threw in lots of rebate dollars and my loyalty check. Our dealer has 4 Envoys on the lot and now six Bravadas.
I didn't look but the salesman said you can get a "heads-up" display as an option, I don't remember that.
One thing I noticed is that dealer ivoice has fallen since re-issuing the SUV's. Our Bravada was 32250 at invoice, now the manager showed me that for a dealer invoice of 32700 approximately you can get the same SUV with a sunroof and 6-disc changer, so you probably can't expect a dramatic incentive now. He says the cahnge MSRP base prices up or down depending how well the car is selling. 2 months after I bought my 2001 aurora the base msrp was 300-400 dollars less.
Finally, sorry. The manager showed my a fax which was from GM stating that starting next year the six cyclinder in the Intrigue and v-6 aurora will no longer be manufactured.
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