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Thanks again
Also, if your dealer showed you a removed bracket versus a newer one, the difference is noticable in the thickness of the metal around the bushings.....hard to see, but my guys showed me!
If you can't decide on a vehicle based solely on it's features, then you shouldn't be buying it, period.
I know that sounds blunt, but if you have these doubts, why would you even be considering putting yourself or your family in the same type of vehicle whether it is modified or not?
p.s. I'm not a GM basher. I'm confidently driving a "modified" Trailblazer (of course, not while I am writing this :>)).
He claimed to have more brackets than he needed, that all customers have already had their work done, all his inventory is fixed, and that he'll actually be the dealer fixing my truck upon receipt of the trade on Monday because wherever he's getting mine from (of course he won't tell me) is still waiting for their brackets.
Agreed to about $300 over invoice and got what was reasonable for my trade. Showed me several finance/lease scenarios and encouraged me to shop him and allow him to match anyone who could beat the deal.
Other than being confused as to why he would trade an Envoy that had already been repaired for one that still needed to be done, what am I missing here? This process was too simple and easy, and I can't sleep at night in anticipation of the truck.
Allen
To Portland, I do feel alittle more comfortable getting one after the recall just because it won't be one that has been sitting around a lot somewhere waiting for parts. I have been reading these boards since day one and I do feel for all of you that had to wait for your vehicles. I wish you all good luck and I think (hope) these suv's will be well worth it.
Another question, is the carpet color the same whether you get the med or dark pewter? I have a monte carlo w/dark graphite int. and the carpet is black, way too hard to keep clean.
http://www.arifleet.com/production.html#gmtrucks
If you call 800-222-6622 during the week and give them your 6 digit order # (your dealer has it if you don't), they can check on a build date for you.
If you want to do a little net shopping for an Envoy (maybe you can find one for your dealer to trade for), go to http://www.gmbuypower.com/. Choose the model, then put in a false zip code (I use 40000). The next page will let you enter a city or dealer name. Try entering some cities around your area, and you just might find the exact Envoy you are looking for. If so, print the window sticker, take it to your dealer, and maybe he can trade for you. Good luck!
In Columbus, it seems we have the opposite problem. All the dealers stocked only vehicles with sunroofs.
I was able to get $200 under invoice, by ordering a vehicle. The best I could get for off the lot was $500 over invoice.
I was quoted 2-6 weeks on my order by the dealer. I'll be real upset if it tunrs out to be 16-18 weeks. Of course te bright side, by then, there should be some rebates going being offered.
jim f
You might not want to order one til you know how quick you can get it. There seems to be quite a delay (see my message #885).
jim f
Regarding the card, I've redeemed GM earnings 3 times and here is how it works:
You'll sit with the dealer's finance guy and he'll call a number and give your GM card number. They will then tell him the amount of the rebate you've earned. Along with your other paperwork, you'll then be asked to sign a document which assigns your GM card earnings over to the dealer. GM then pays the dealer in cash later.
HERE'S WHAT TO WATCH FOR.....The finance guy might claim that this rebate changes everything about the deal (i.e. price you negotiated, etc.), which is TOTAL B.S!!!!!!!!! To the dealer, this rebate is as good as cash. DON'T let them get away with this.
Good luck !
I purchased my Bravada Friday (pick it up Monday) for $100.00 over invoice in Duluth (suburb of Atlanta), GA. They were the only ones who had an Indigo Blue/Pewter with a sunroof!
If I reset the average MPG display while on the freeway (with a lot of hilliness), I reads between up to 25mpg (averaging 64mph). This is pretty good considering that a 4.2L is a large 6 cylinder (just a tad smaller than the previous 4.3L V6 which was considered very large). In fact, many V8's are 4.3L (like the Mercedes, previously was 4.2L). With a displacement the size of many V8's, it certainly has the fuel economy of a 6 cylinder. Even Mitsubishi's V6 is smaller, and people say it's a gas guzzler.
The Jeep Grand Cherokee that they rented me during the recall was a 4.0L inline 6 cylinder dinosaur, and it consumed more gas (I filled up more frequently, it has a larger fuel tank).
In general, I'm pleased with the gas mileage. Compared to my old '88 S10 Blazer which had a 4.3L V6. It was lighter, and got better gas mileage because the emissions controls back then weren't as strict and it was rated at 27mpg on highway driving and 21 city (back then). Considering that my Bravada is heavier, can put out more power and torque, it seems to consume a comparable amount (slightly more) than my old Blazer.
Has anyone looked at the front of their truck and
noticed that the wheels slant inward at the top
Is there any road noise at speed or are they fairly quiet? Wind noise?
Is low end acceleration good? How about passing power? Has anybody done any 0-6o times?
Is the engine noisy at high rpms?
Regarding some of the gas mileage questions, of which no one seems to have a definitive answer.
it is amazing to me how many people rate gas mileage by how quickly their guage moves or by the computer in the car.
Gas mileage is important to me irregardless of whether i can afford it or not. I would greatly appreciate it if someone on this board could check their gas mileage over the next week and report back. Thanks in advance.
2002 Ford Explorer = 8.7* sec
*June 2001 issue of Motor Trend.
The Ford Explorer did not even pass Motor Trend's Off-Road Test it got stuck in the mud.
The Chevy TrailBlazer had no problem. Like a Rock!
Steve
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my experience with my 3.5L DOHC intrigue is that gas mileage has remained consistent since day 1.
I record my mileage at every fill up.
According to experts the newer GM engines have such loose tolerances that the cylinder walls still have the machining marks on them after 100,000 miles.
My intrigue was using half a quart every 3000 miles when it was new. After it hit 20,000 miles it stopped using any oil at all!
Road Noise? Almost non-existent.
Wind Noise? A little more than I expected. I think some of it can be fixed.
Acceleration? Outstanding.
Passing Power? Outstanding
0-60? See post #903.
Engine Noisy? You must be kidding. Certainly a different sound than a V6 or V8, but nowhere near the noise at high RPMs.
Gas Mileage? Haven't done an "official" check yet. Will do it with the next tank of gas.
Myth: If regular-grade fuel is good, premium must be better.
Reality: Most vehicles are designed to run just fine on regular-grade (87 octane) fuel. A higher octane number doesn't mean that your vehicle will perform better. It simply means that it's more resistant to engine knocking or pinging. Use the octane grade that's recommended in your vehicle's owner's manual. Filling up with a higher grade is usually a waste of money.
jim f
As far as wind noise, I test drove an Envoy before the recall. The wind noise was not that bad, about average. The engine was quiet, a little short of silky smooth.
Any other comments on this.
Road Noise? Nope.
Wind Noise? Moderate.
Passing Power? Excellent. It snaps you back.
0-60? mid to upper 7's
Engine Noisy? Nope. Sounds great.
Gas Mileage? I have been getting between 16 and 19 on every tank of gas (mix of city and highway).
;-)
Thanks
Webster's Dictionary, the work irregardless is listed. (Adj., adv. a substandard or humorous redundancy for REGARDLESS.)
Also, while we are at it... please note that "a lot" is two words and not one as in "ALOT". (LOL) At least most people are not complaining about their rides anymore. I'm still waiting for GM to return my last call 1.5 weeks ago. I called back twice.
Ron
2. My rear window leaked in a rain storm as I was driving down the road. The mechanics could not duplicate the problem. I have not driven in the rain since the recall was fixed.
Post Recall Problems
3. All the gauges (temp, fuel, oil pressure, etc.) pinned to the right while driving the vehicle and stayed that way. Had to stop and restart vehicle for sensors to work right again.
4. My 4wd Hi lo 4AWD doesn't work at all.
5. Rear passenger drivers door does not shut properly.
6. Weatherstripping on rear doors not properly installed hanging out.
7. Front end noise.
There you have it ~ go GM!
The correct # is 800-222-1020 (I promise!).
Again...sorry, and good luck.
jim f