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It is starting to warm up here in the deep south, and I am still having the A/C cycling between warm and cold air at start up when the vehicle is sitting for a while. When I put the vehicle in drive and start driving down the road, it seems to clear up pretty quickly. Has ANYONE out there found a solution or a TSB #? The dealership I take my vehicle to is great, but this problem has been a challenge for them and I am tired of paying the $80 for them to tell me nothing is wrong. Thanks.
The part # is 89040362 and the Description is Switch 9.172.
It's a very simple job for the mechanic to replace and does NOT require that the gas be released.
Good Luck.
C.B.
HVAC System Inoperative for a Drive Cycle, Poor HVAC System Performance
in High Ambient Temperatures (Update HVAC Control Module Software)
#02-01-39-005 - (09/23/2002)
HVAC System Inoperative For A Drive Cycle, Poor HVAC System Performance In High Ambient Temperatures (Update HVAC Control Module Software)
2002-2003 Chevrolet TrailBlazer, TrailBlazer EXT
2002-2003 GMC Envoy, Envoy XL
2002-2003 Oldsmobile Bravada
Condition
Some customers may comment about no cold air from the heating, ventilation and air conditioning (HVAC) system during a drive cycle. This concern may occur at any time during the drive cycle and at any temperature setting. The HVAC system operation returns to normal after the vehicle has been keyed to off and restarted. This concern is intermittent and most likely to occur on hot days. This concern may be found on vehicles equipped with manual (CJ2) and automatic (CJ3) HVAC systems. Other customers may comment about poor HVAC system performance in high ambient temperature conditions. This concern may be present in automatic (CJ2) HVAC systems only. An HVAC control module software update was put into all production vehicles beginning in September 2002. Vehicles built in September 2002 and earlier may need this software update.
Correction
Update the HVAC control module using software available through GM Access beginning September 9, 2002. The update will be fully available October 7, 2002 to all dealers on TIS 2000 CD version 10. This software update addresses both the intermittent no cooling and the poor performance concerns. If the software update does not correct the concerns, perform the HVAC Diagnostic System Check and repair as necessary. If the HVAC control module is replaced with a part from GMSPO, make sure the module has the latest software update. The module may need to be updated even though it is a new part.
C.B.
with zero deductible. This will make my TB 8 years old when the wananty runs out.
I also do all of my own repairs but computer modules scare me and are expensive. For $200 a year, it is cheap piece of mind. Check out these internet prices on the link below. If you have less than 24k, it is cheaper
http://www.gmoutlet.com/quote/emailserver/majorguard/05mg3.htm
tidester, host
Thanks for any council.
Reddog3
More to come as things happen.
:confuse: 2004 Trailblazer
Greg
TB is rear wheel drive. Is the Endeavor? I don't know about you, but I hate front wheel drive because CV Joints always go bad up front. Not to mention it does not turn as well and you fight the steering wheel torque when under heavy accelaration in corners. If you bought the AWD Endeavor, watch our for serious maintenance costs in the future. Everyone I know that has AWD runs into problems at around 100K miles.
TB may not take the curves as the Endeavor, but TB has a smoother overall ride and takes the city roads and bumps better around town. In fact, the TB rides better than any SUV I have been in and that includes the $80,000 Porsche SUV My TB is quieter and smoother than my wife's Lexus RX300, and her car is $13,000 more.
TB has a better transmission and drivetrain than the Endeavor. The fact that TB uses almost the same transmission as the Corvette is worth something in my book.
The last time I checked, all makes offerer fog lamps on the higher model. All Envoy's come with fog lamps standard. I think you can get fog lamps on the higher end TB as well.
TB Vortec 4.2 inline is one of the top ten engines in the world. Why would someone want a lighter SUV with a smaller engine? That starts to take the shape and form of a car in my book.
Finally, and I apolize if this is not PC, but Mitsubishi built engines for Japanese fighter planes during WWII. (Japan was a different country and not a democracy back then, so maybe this is PC!!!) I don't care if it was sixty years ago...that just seems like a short time ago.
It sounds like you are enjoying your new Endeavor. If you have have a chart, your Endeavor probably outmatches the TB if you are keeping score, but I am really enjoying mine. If you compare the Mits to the Envoy or Rainer, I bet it would be very close.
I have the 5.3 liter V-8 in my SUV, and I love it. It is a lot more powerful than any midsize SUV engine. It also beats many V-8's in large SUV's. I agree with gmfan. If you Endeavor is front wheel drive, that is a turn off for me. I can tolerate it on a car, but a truck or SUV, no way. I would never buy a front wheel drive truck or SUV.
As far as driving the TB, I have not driven an Endeavor, but I think my TB handles better than the Explorer, the Pilot, and the Expedition.
The TB has many annoying small things that drive it's owners crazy. the wind noise was a big problem I had. It is fixed, and now it is behind me. For $10 I solved the problem, I know I should not have to, but once I did, there have been no problems.
The standard features on the TB were better than any vehicle I looked at in 2004. Fog lights were standard, dual air standard, and rear air standard. Driving in Houston summers, the rear A/C is essential. If memory serves correct, Honda, Ford, nor Dodge had dual air or rear air standard on their SUV's. Some did not even offer it.
Long story short, the TB price, the standard features, and the looks got me. The Endeavor might be a better vehicle, but the difference in price might be the closer on this for me. If I am going to pay over 30 grand for a SUV, I'd be buying the base Toyota Sequoia. The TB EXT was the cheapest and best deal there was at that time for a large SUV. So far, I think I got my monies worth.
I am glad you are enjoying you Endeavor, and hope you have good luck with it. I hate reading horror stories on any vehicle having problems. Cars and trucks are just to expensive to get lemons, and I hope every one is please with what they buy. My TB has had it's moments, but I love it and hope I am still saying that after a few more years.
My Endeavor is an AWD car. I don't care if it lasts one day beyond 4 years and/or 48,000 miles. I will return it to Mitsubishi in 4 years. The 10 year 100k mile drive train warranty, the 5 yr bumper to bumper warranty and the 5 year "all scheduled maintenance included plan" mean I don't have to be concerned about any extra costs.
I am enjoying the Endeavor as much as one can enjoy any means of transportation, just more than the TB. I haven't meant to offend anyone here by commenting about MY TB. Unfortunately some people take it very personally when you comment about the type of car they happen to drive. I don't get it, If you owned General Motors Co. you should be happy when someone is willing to give you feedback on your product.
The TB was built for the purpose of heavier uses, such as towing or trailering. Often, I pull a 3,000 lb boat and a 1,500 lb trailer (4,500 lbs) with my TB and I have not done anything to the brakes or transmission and in 65K miles. I think this is good. I hear GM is going to increase warranties to 5 year 60K miles soon. I understand GM and Ford's position on being hesitate to increase factory warranties since they have so many vehicles on the road. I also understand that the Hyndai's and Mits of the world can win some people over with their warranties Fiscus, of course, "all scheduled maintenance is included plan" is part of your deal with Mits...you do not own the vehicle since you are leasing and Mits has a financial interest in their vehicle. The TB came with a standard trailer hitch and harness connector, which tells me the vehicle was built and engineered and ready to pull. The Endeavor is more of a luxury SUV like the Acura MDX and I think towing or pulling was the last thing on the those engineers' mind since no trailer hitch and harness connector comes standard on those vehicles. You have not offended anyone with your comments- usually when someone says there product is better, it is usually just their opinion, not a fact.
Of course if your like me, you'll have one side all apart when the wife comes out and says "Oh, I'm sorry dear, but I meant the light on the other side was out".
Of course it's B.S! Find another dealership and don't look back. These guys are extortionists. Many of the owners on this board have replaced the bushings. It definitely appears to be a design flaw.
That said, I purposely parked next to an Endeavor in our parking lot today. As far as fit and finsh go there is no comparison. The Mitsu wins hands down. My truck has panel gaps of 1/2" or more in many spots (I can slip my whole hand in between the bumper and the grill) while the Mitsu has nice tight gaps. Paint quality
was much better also. This may not affect drivability or durability, but it sure as
hell presents a bad image and perception problem.
Greg
P.S. to imadad and others. I'm not the one who was offended. I think I may have offended some others who have taken extreme exeption with some of my comments. Some have taken it very personally to the point of replying with some very offensive comments towards me. The host has been helpful by deleting the comments. This forum is about car talk, as long as the comments are true and without prejudice I feel all comments should be welcome. There are however some who believe that GM, Ford, Chrysler and the rest have never manufactured a lemon. I am not one of them.
any hints on what this could be... would a fuse be intermittent like this...or am i looking at the dreaded wiring problem....
Ken :confuse:
The Sequoia was both of our 1st choices, but to expensive. GM got me with their $5,000 rebate and GM card. 10 times out of 10, I hate to write this, but if Toyota or Honda put out an identical vehicle with an identical price, I am buying from them. I am writing this with several GM vehicles serving my family well. That is how my confidence in GM has dropped. If money were not an issue, I have to honestly say I would not have bought the TB. The Ford SUV's did nothing for me. They looked cheaper than GM. I liked the Tahoe, but pay $5,500 more for the same features, smaller V-8, and I'd have to have running boards installed for my wife? No thanks.
I am probably in the minority here, but I like the TB design. I know people think the gaps are ridiculous, but I love the EXT roof rack and the rear end design of the SUV. The front grill might look better with less gaps on the front, but I like that as well. It's design was better than the Tahoe and Ford's SUV's. I applaud the TB, but will be first to admit I'd be driving a Sequoia if I could afford it.
As far as people insisting the big three never made a lemon, they are blinded by their brand loyalty. The TB is not all it is cracked up to be. Stretching the wheel base 16 inches to provide a third row is a great idea, because it allowed me to buy a large SUV. A regular TB or Endeavor are to small for me and my family.
GM is in serious trouble with stale designs and no new innovative thoughts. The HHR is a copy of the PT Cruiser, most of their new designed vehicles are created to compete with another vehicle already in the marketplace. That is not good business thinking. Chrysler is hitting home runs with their vehicles as is Ford. Is GM? No. Until they do, huge rebates and selling below invoice are going to be the only way GM gets people in the door.
Have a good weekend and enjoy driving that Mitsu around
Lower control arms? Are we talking about the sway bar links, or the lower control arms, or all of the above? That's more than the usual sway bar end links. The links can be replaced seperately without replacing the whole stabilizer bar. Aftermarket parts are about $20 ea.
The lower control arms list for about $150 ea. GMPartsdirect has them for $75 ea. They do have bushings at each end that eventually could wear out in time. An independant repair shop that will take the time to press out the old bushings and press in new ones might be able to do that without replacing the complete arms. Maybe that's the only way GM supplies the bushings to their dealers - pre-installed in new arms. What about the UPPER control arms?
Could someone please help!!!!!
Did I miss any clips or s-thing????
Thanks
Ficuss- you are correct. Nothing is perfect and all auto manufacturer's have produced lemons. It is the nature of the beast. If I had a "lemon" as it is defined in the legal system, I would be after the manufacturer in a flash.
-gmfan
To all- Does anyone know if it better to do a powerflush or drop the pan the old fashion way? I have 65K miles and I plan to do this service soon even though the vehicle still drives like new. I had a problem with a Jeep Grand Cherokee I used to own when the dealer power-flushed the tranny fluid and ended up damaging the transmission line where it hooks up to the machine. I like the fact it a power flush is quick vs having the drop the pan myself and eating up a half day of my time
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Actually, this is somewhat incorrect. Copying a vehicle is a good, sound business practice at times.The Japanese brands have had huge success doing it. GM interiors have been criticized in the recent past. I kept wondering, "why don't they just get in an Audi and make an interior like that?" If you can't beat 'em, copy 'em.
Then the HHR came out and I was pleased to see GM making an attempt, but you don't copy something like that! The HHR actually looks like a good vehicle, but it'd be better off being non-retro. If they wanted retro, they needed to go with the '55-'57 Chevy wagon type look.
I guess this is off topic. Better fix it. Should I get a new battery soon? I'm about to cross the 4 year mark. I'm thinking it might be smart to just replace it instead of waiting until the day it doesn't start.
On the tranny power flush, I suppose if you do it with a qualified shop, it should work well, I have no problems with it. I have done it on my Honda Accord with over 100K miles. No issues. The truck has undergone a couple flushes already.
If this summer doesn't kill it, next winter probably will. Like a battery in a UPS on a computer, I think it's best to replace before it fails and you find out the hard way. 4 years is good for any battery, 5 years is borrowed time. .
I 100% disagree... I think of the full sized choices out there, they are the BEST looking trucks. GMC falls in second with a more refined style. I am indifferent to the boring Ford, and either you love or hate the Dodge "Freightliner" look - I fall into the latter.