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  • Yeah, the Lincoln Ls forum is not as active as the Nicoclub forum for Infinitis. You place a topic on their and shortly afterwards there are numerous responses. My other car is a 2000 Q45 Infiniti.
  • toomanyfumestoomanyfumes S.E. Wisconsin Posts: 1,007
    More activity on the problems/ COPS/Misfire forums... ;)
    2012 Mustang Premium, 2013 Lincoln MKX Elite, 2007 Mitsubishi Outlander.
  • 04llsv804llsv8 Posts: 2
    did you ever find a cheaper solution for an upgraded DVD for your nav system... I too have an 04 Lincoln LS with the original nav. DVD in it.
  • themacguythemacguy Posts: 417
    yes, we've just had that diagnosis on our 04's 17" chrome rim. it's been leaking for several years, but it was valve core, valve stem, etc. = not! it's definitely now a flaking chrome issue. two new tires were put on just that wheel. we've also had (and still have) the coil on plug issue, the a/c (working weird) issue, squeaking steering wheel issue, the cd changer eating cd's then just quitting, one minor tranny shifting thing ford dealer fixed, and that's about it. was near perfect for 48k miles, then when warranty was out it went to hell in a hand basket. 56k miles on it now, and it's just about paid off. we'll keep it in 'the collection,' but we won't be buying another lincoln anytime soon. too bad, as we've had them pretty much continuously since 1972. mercury before that. many fords in the family before that. none has had this amount of 'typical' problems. none. lincoln, as a brand, is on the way out - just like cadillac was 10 years ago. they fixed their brand image, but ford likely won't have the incentive (or cajones) to save their halo brand. damned cryin' shame too.
    my 2000 dodge dakota quad cab with 165k of hard working miles on it, has never even been in the shop, and i work the crap out of it. dirt, hellish sun, snow, dust storms, heavy towing, 200 mile per day usage, etc. - it's been perfect.
    got an 89 4x4 dodge raider (1st gen mitsubishi montero) with the v-6 that has 150k on it. never been in the shop, and it's been used very hard off road and towed many, many more miles behind our motorhome. never missed a beat.
    ford needs to get on the stick and off its collective butts.
  • akirbyakirby Posts: 8,040
    ford likely won't have the incentive (or cajones) to save their halo brand. damned cryin' shame too.

    Is that why they're aggressively reducing the number of dealers and requiring the remaining ones to significantly upgrade their showrooms - and investing in 7 new or significantly updated vehicles with Lincoln exclusive drivetrains and other features like glass roofs and electronically controlled suspensions?

    The only problem with Lincoln is that Ford had to put all of it's resources into fixing the Ford brand first. Now that it's almost done (with the new Focus and Explorer) they can turn their attention to Lincoln.

    And seriously - you're swearing off an entire brand just because of one car? The ones with problems - LS and Aviator - were discontinued and the new ones seem to be fine with the exception of the PTU problem on AWD models.

    If you just don't want one because you have a bad taste in your mouth that's understandable, but don't assume the new Lincolns will have the same problems as the old ones.
  • jerrym3jerrym3 Posts: 202
    edited October 2010
    When I filled the tank the other day, I pressed the computer RESET button on my 04 LS Sport, and something behind the keypad broke.

    The keypad is now slightly into the dash on the driver's side.

    How do I remove the panels that cover the controls (radio, A/C, etc) to see what broke?

    Assuming I can remove the panels, will I be able to get at what might have snapped?
  • Does anyone know if it's possible to disable the interior dome lights from coming on when the door is open?
  • garthmangarthman Posts: 42
    edited December 2010
    Not sure if you are still an LS owner Brian, are you? I still have the same 2001 LS8 Sport Autumn Red and was wondering if you or maybe other posters might have a solution for a few DTC's that are showing up on the radio, radio control switches on the steering wheel and that Advance Trac light and display "check advance trac". Palm Springs Motors wants to replace the ABS/Traction Control Module and it's expensive. I've found there are repair options to those modules only, getting a software configuration/update etc is difficult as the dealership won't help with that unless they perform the complete job.

    I and my brother Scott, participated in the LS Mania in Irvine with Jim Rogers hosting the event. I believe that was the first of very few events Lincoln hosted.

    Garth Clark
  • cdnpinheadcdnpinhead Forest Lakes, AZPosts: 4,142
    edited December 2010
    Good to hear from you, Garth. I also attended that first LS Mania & still have the clock which is, appropriately, stopped.

    Either way, I'll be interested in seeing whether Brian gets back to you.

    There has been a lot of water over the dam (or under the bridge) since those days, in many venues.

    Glad to hear your LS is still (mostly) working well for you.
  • Well thank you. My clock still works, love it. Still have the champagne glasses and VHS tape received from the factory.

    I'm catching up on some of this because I know there are better ways to get the job done and for less. Stay tuned as you have, maybe we'll hear from Brian.
  • This just happened to my Alpine as well. One evening, the back lit buttons which surround the radio tuner display went out. Only the buttons within the radio space, all the other button such as the A/C and information center buttons remain to light and dim normally.

    I dread what this is going to take to fix if it's not the same issue as you found. I have a LS service manual and there's not much listed for this concern. About all I could find is send the radio in for service via approved Ford repair. I wonder how many months that would take plus the expense?

    Anyone have updates on this or possibly, those pictures ?
  • Hi Johnny, I think we met at the LS Mania 1 in Irvine, CA.
    Did you find out what the issue was with the radio buttons on the steering wheel? I've read much and don't get a straight answer.

    BTW in addition to the above, recently the radio/cd/seek/tune control buttons no longer illuminate. Have any idea what that is?
  • akirbyakirby Posts: 8,040
    You do realize you're responding to posts that are 6-8 years old? Most people aren't still around, including Brian.

    Call your dealer and ask who they use for radio problems. There is almost always a local place that does OEM radio repair. That's your best bet to get it repaired or you can always find a new one on ebay.
  • Yes, the post's are dated however, not all of us have sold our Lincoln. There's a need for this forum as Ford has very few Lincoln dealerships and many of the dealer's we owners must use are Ford dealerships.

    I don't trust most of them, meaning, repairing what will correct the problem usually means, replace, replace, replace when the correct repair should require just one replace at the customer's expense. Not many of those technitions have LS training.

    Are you saying the radio is the source of the light problem and also the source of the steering wheel radio control issues?
  • You ain't lying brother. I tok my Ls to a ford dealer recently and $400 dollars later in a so-called repair fix I had the same problem. Going thru a payment dispute now with my card issuer to keep the money it credited back to me at the beginnig of the dispute. The Lincoln dealer up the street closed down a year ago. They always fixed it right the first time.
  • akirbyakirby Posts: 8,040
    I just didn't want you to be disappointed if nobody replied. There are still a few of us current and former LS owners around, many are still over on the "other" forum.

    If the lights are out on the radio itself then you can probably get it fixed or at least diagnosed by the local OEM radio shop. Just ask the dealer who they use.

    The steering wheel button problem is usually caused by a bad clockspring. You have to pull the steering wheel to replace it and it does involve the airbag so be careful or get a pro to do it.

    The ABS/AT problem is usually a bad wheel sensor but that's usually easy for the dealer to test and pinpoint. I'd get a second opinion before going after the controller.
  • Here's what I found more than once in this forum regarding the radio buttons as well and the steering wheel radio controls. My LS has the exact same problem as many others state; 1) No mute 2) Station seek up is volume up 3) Radio lights don't work.

    I've read the radio circuit board has a bad printed circuit someplace and one of the owners removed/disassembled the stereo and carefully soldered the bad circuit with the above items working again.

    I also read the clock spring has some issues with the radio controls on the steering wheel too.

    Well, getting the correct fix the first time is the concern and this is why I doubt a Ford mechanic is going to spend 4 hours diagnosing to do a 1 hour repair when usually they will opt for a repair method which pays them for 5 hours plus the unnecessary parts and delays.
  • akirbyakirby Posts: 8,040
    If the steering wheel controls are flaky but the rest of the radio is working ok then more often than not it's the clock spring in the steering wheel and not the radio.
  • heydudesheydudes Posts: 43
    Hey all u old LS dudes. I'm still kickin too. Was at Irvine with Jim Rogers too. My LS manual now has 129,000 miles. I bought a set of spark plugs, but haven't had the guts to put em in yet. Can u guess who I am? Better hurry before they kick me off again.
  • brucelincbrucelinc Posts: 815
    Heydudes, hell yes I know who you are! I would like to hear more from you if you can stick around long enough.

    I sold my LS about a year ago when I got an MKS ecoboost. I sold it to a co-worker for his daughter. I predicted that she would wreck it the first time it snowed. Guess what - she didn't wait for the snow. She put it into a concrete bridge pillar and totaled it. She was not injured but my old LS was toast. Front and side airbags worked, though.

    Can't believe you are still driving that old stick-shift relic of yours......
  • heydudesheydudes Posts: 43
    Hi Bruce! OUCH. Sorry to hear about 'your' LS. Glad the girl was OK. It is a 4 star crash-rated vehicle after all. :)
    Yes we're still driving our relic. No exageration - the car still looks and drives like new. Car has been like a fine watch. Only recent issues in past 2 years were both front window regulators - $150 each - I put em in myself. And why did they break? Because my lovely wife, who lived her whole life in Santa Cruz, was rushing to work last winter (we now live in a full climate area), the windows were iced (and frozen to the doors) and she thought "well, if I push the window down buttons, that oughtta free em up and maybe clean off some ice/snow" I guess that's what she thought anyway :) I've gotten a lot of mileage out of fixing the windows for her. :)
    Oh, I also had the clock spring replaced for the problem where radio controls on steering wheel dont work right. Fixed it. Couple hundred bucks. Our pal akirby here is a great resource for stuff like this. The manual LS has seriously been the best car I've owned, unfixable climate control issue aside.
    I've been meaning to join the other LS group - it costs a few pay pal bucks, but I've reinstated that acct and going to rejoin one day soon.
    Still have our Nav too. 75K and also dead-nuts reliable. NEVER an issue with it. Though I actually stopped and looked at the new Jeep GC 2 days ago - THAT's a real on/off road SUV done right. Also looked at the Explorer. It's even prettier than the JGC. But you aint goin too far off road in that.
    Wife not hearing any suggestions of replacing the LS. It's her car basically now and she still loves it (as do I). One of these days I gotta replace those spark plugs.
    I think I'll head over to the mks forum to see how you like yours.
    You probably dont want to hear my thoughts on the latest Ford moves of killing Mercury (they actually did that 20 or more years ago when they put little Sis in charge and turned it into a girly-brand) and setting Lincoln up for doom as well. There used to be 2 Lincoln dealers within 15-20 miles of me. Now? Zero. So my dream of a Mercury Cougar built on the new Mustang chassis (altho perhaps improved with IRS for the Merc) is dead dead dead. I think Lincoln may be as well within 10 years. Anyone here think stand-alone Lincoln stores are going to work? How about buyng an expensive luxury car from a Ford dealer and having it serviced there? I think not. Mulally looks like a genius yet what has he really done? Why, he's sold off everything but the Dearborn headquarters. Now killed Mercury. So went from 6 brands to 2. Soon maybe 1. OK, you've probably heard all u want to from me by now. I should add for the benfit of edmunds that they were right - I was wrong to criticize our boy genius in Washington. My fears that he would destroy the American dollar, further erode our world leadership, set the middle east on fire and run a racist regime - all those fears of mine have proven groundless, eh?
  • akirbyakirby Posts: 8,040
    Well, if we weren't sure before that last post we are now.....

    Lincoln is simply trying to reduce the dealer ranks - there were way too many. Getting rid of Mercury allows Ford to put their full attention to Lincoln now. Lincoln dealers are being required to have separate facilities and sales people and to spend big bucks to upgrade their showrooms. You have to tear it down before it can be built back up.

    And you might like to know that a certain Ford insider that posts over on gmi and another one that posts on BON seem to confirm that Global RWD is alive and well and will encompass the next Mustang AND Lincoln.

    There is hope yet for a new RWD Lincoln.
  • heydudesheydudes Posts: 43
    Hey, akirby, long time no argue! :) I understand what you're saying and I get what Ford is trying to do. I just don't agree and don't think it will work. But the good news is - whatdoIknow?
    But then - How is it better for me that I have to drive 30 or 60 miles to buy a Lincoln now when before it was 8 miles? How is it better for Ford that I won't? You've heard me rant about what they did to Mercury so no sense beating a dead planet. Say - did anyone notice there are no cars named after planets anymore? And boy genius is dissembling our manned space program in favor of muslims in space? I think both are a sign of the times. How America is turning inward, away from bold moves and engineering towards being ruled by the lowest common denominator and cowtowing to every politically correct BS artist who pops up. Like BHO. But I shouldn't go there, huh?
    This site will surely kick me off again as soon as they wake up. As Costner said in dances with wolves they seem to "Hate me like no other". When I was using the hj moniker and posted for years, they became upset that I didn't see obama as the messiah. So the moderator here said - 'we have some other forums to discuss politics, why dont you post over there' Seemed reasonable, so I did. I made TWO posts there, neither of them were praiseful of obama, and I summarily thrown off, no explanation, not even an email saying don't let the door hit you on the way out. Just gone, including my posts. So where's Bruce? He wanted to hear me rant but if he doesn't check in soon, it'll be like I was never here again.
    I don't trust this site or it's moderators to be fair in any way. And the reviewers! Ugh. I read the review by bob visnic of the 2011 Jeep Grand Cherokee and it's plain to me the man has no clue what he's talking about. How does one get a job here reviewing cars? Appointed by the car czar? Nepotism? What? Knowledge of cars is certanly no requirement. And bob is a 'senior' writer. What is that, bob, senior in high school? Cause that seems to be the perspective you bring.
    and I dont trust Ford anymore. Sorry, Alan, but I feel personally slapped by their destruction of Mercury and by their tent-folding on the LS which they replaced with nothing. I was one of many LS owners who met with Lincoln execs several times and we discussed possible futures and what we, as "enthusiast" owners would like to see. The execs listened, took notes, and then totally blew us off. Even in the case of the Mercury Marauder, they just totally 'screwed the pooch' as the saying goes. There is nothing in the Lincoln showroom that interests me. Nothing. The S is nice, but that's it. Finishes last in every comparo. Sorry Bruce, I know you love yours and an AWD eco-boost is tempting, but at the end of the day it's just last decade's volvo underneath.
    As for a RWD Lincoln? Honestly, I don't care anymore. I've always been a 'brand-loyal' kind of guy. I don't know why. But it has not been rewarding, indeed not. While I still own and drive 2 Lincolns that have been reliable, quality, fun vehicles, I doubt Ford will ever get my money again. Though problems were few, Ford dropped the ball and flipped me the bird each time one came up. I'll be giving someone else a chance to screw me next time! :) And I won't buy a car built with union labor ever again. Or anything else if I can help it. The unions have got to go. They are filled with punk-a$$ thugs, 'workers' who are owed a living paid for by the rest of us. Not me anymore. I was proud to buy an LS made in Wixom and Navigator made somewhere else in USA both by union workers. But never again. Lincoln thinks they are going to generate traffic and sales with a new small Scion-like Lincoln? C'mon man, what are they smokin? GOnna put a Lincoln shell on a focus and sell for over $30K and the young target demo is going to flock to Lincoln showrooms to pay money they cant earn for a tiny car that nanci pelosi loves but actual buyers will snicker at? C'mon, man. Does anyone at Ford remember the reason Mercury came into existence in the frst place? Without Mercury, does anyone think Lincoln dealers, no matter how many millions they spend to make the dealerships look like a saddam hussein palace, can succeed as standalone stores? Are u kidding me? How many stand-alone Cadillac dealers are there? Hmmmm? And how many times have we heard that Ford is going to renew the Lincoln brand and move it and the dealers upscale and sell Lincoln ocverseas etc. FACE IT FORD, You killed Mercury with stupidity and you're killing Lincoln with stupidity backed by lots of money. At least when all is said and done, you'll still have Fords to sell. And they'll look the same the world over. Won't that be special.

    OK, I guess for a Sunday morning I should say something nice so - man, the '67 Mercury Cougar was one nice ride. But never again ...
  • akirbyakirby Posts: 8,040
    Like I said - some things never change.........

    Good luck though.
  • heydudesheydudes Posts: 43
    Back at ya. Both sentences. :)
  • cdnpinheadcdnpinhead Forest Lakes, AZPosts: 4,142
    This site will surely kick me off again as soon as they wake up.

    Surely you jest.

    This site (Lincoln LS) is so far off the radar that almost no one visits it who didn't in the past. Besides which, Pat, who rode the hardest herd on us is, well let's just say, no longer around.

    Nobody cares about the car any more, let alone this site, not that they ever did, really.
  • brucelincbrucelinc Posts: 815
    Wow, heydudes, I DO get a kick out of your rants but you sure covered a lot of ground in your last one.

    By the way, you were on the focus group that provided feedback on the MKS so any faults that car has is on you! Incidently, I don't recall seeing any direct comparos with the MKS ecoboost. Frankly, I trust my opinions (for my tastes) over anyone else's anyway.

    You won't hear me defend much of anything Ford has done with Lincoln over the past 10 years. The MKS was a compromise put together under the old management. I am hopeful about the future of Lincoln - primarily because of the advances they have made with the Ford brand. Too soon to tell, though - the Lincoln nameplate is pretty badly tarnished. The current cars are a helluva lot better than their image.

    The ecoboost engine is a real jewel, though - not a heyjewel - just a jewel. I have often thought how nice it would be to have an LS-type car with that engine - 500 pounds lighter than the MKS and RWD...
  • heydudesheydudes Posts: 43
    Hey cd, bruce. Yeah, cd, this pretty much looks like Edmund's backwater forum allright. We'll see how long they allow me to spew forth on here b4 I get the boot. It was not Pat but rather one of the Ks who done heyjewel in. Say, aren't you driving an Acura now ... ?

    Bruce! I dont think I was on a panel giving feedback on the mks? I gave feedback on the LS, yes. Last panel I sat on was at the mania (3?) where they showed us the '03 LS 'redesign' which included redesigning the manual tranny into the rear view mirror.

    Yes, Bruce, each of us is the final arbiter of our vehicles. I only use comparos as one source of info, sometimes of bragging rights. But it really sucks to see Lincoln's finishing last or thereabouts in any comparos I read - MKS, MKX, MKT, Nav, ... pretty much all do, like back in the glory days of the Taurus-based Continental. Jim Rogers, etc, had the right idea about Lincoln. But I dunno about today's execs.

    You are right however, I don't recall seeing a comparo with the ecoboost engine. An eco boost with AWD and 20s does appeal to me on a broad level. I do like the 'real different' rear end treatment on the S. And it is nice inside. I've sat in, but not driven one. Seriously, the S looks like a fantastic car but it aint no LS. I think we can agree on that. See you on the twisties, Bruce, if u need convincin! :) Your dream of a ecoboost LS would've been nice. And look at the Jag XF or whatever to see where the body might have gone. Ah, but no sense in those musings, eh? Nor in saying I would have bought a nicely done Mercury Cougar on the new Mustang platform. I'll never buy a Mustang though. I just do not like to be a lemming, u know? That's one of the reasons I bought an LS in the first place. Something a little different.

    I've ranted about it, but in all honesty I am very curious to see the Lincoln focus thing. If it is ANYTHING like the concept car, if could sell. DiLorenzo at autoextremist LOVED the concept car and he seldom even mentions Lincoln. But it will still be considered a failure if the majority of the buyers are blue-hairs (or no-hairs like me! :) Lincoln HAS to reach younger buyers or will be histoire. Everything they've tried so far to reach that demo has failed. Will a super-expensive Scion rip off be the key? I doubt it, but then whatdoIknow?
  • akirbyakirby Posts: 8,040
    I think Ford is purposely keeping Lincoln volumes now and not putting big cash on the hoods for 2 reasons - don't cheapen the brand any more than it's already been cheapened and to force out more Lincoln dealers. There are just too many and while we may not like the idea of buying Lincolns at Ford stores if that allows them to put more into unique vehicles then I think it will be fine.

    There are insiders hinting that Global RWD is alive and well and we'll see RWD Lincolns again, but with better interiors, features and 500 HP drivetrains.

    But think about this for a minute. When in the past has Lincoln had a 365 hp vehicle? When has Lincoln had any of the new features that are now available (radar cruise/park assist/etc.)? Just compare the MKS ecoboost with the 2006 LS V8 and the MKS blows it away everywhere except handling in the twisties.

    I think Lincoln will be fine in 3-4 years but we'll have to be patient until then. We were supposed to see new Lincoln designs at Chicago but Wolf wants to put his stamp on them first.
  • cdnpinheadcdnpinhead Forest Lakes, AZPosts: 4,142
    Say, aren't you driving an Acura now ... ?

    Yup, TSX w/ a manual (of course). Has close to 50K miles on it w/ absolutely no issues. Only problem is it's FWD.
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