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Brian....you mentioned getting the dealer to document that the recalls and TSB's had all been performed. I have read on here about the shift problems that can be corrected via a flash update. What else should I ask him about?? You also mentioned being down a year if I intend to trade in a couple of years. I normally keep a vehicle between 3-4 years. Do you think it would drastically hurt me then? Since I am getting if (hopefully!!) for around $32-33k now.
One thing on the '01 models that I really did like were the new 17" chrome sport wheels. I am leaning toward the black LS with light grey interior and those rims would be very sharp! Wonder how much the dealer would tack on to swith the aluminum wheels out to the chrome ones?
Thanks again guys! John
I've had two black cars in the past and I found that black was very useful in helping me perfect the finer techniques in paint treatment, waxing and maintenance. All the nuances (swirl marks, direction of rubbing, not washing or waxing in the sun etc) become evident very quickly, although probably more in those pre-clearcoat days than today.
One question I have - doesn't claying actually remove a small amount of the clear coat exposing fresh underneath?(implying a finite number of clayings?) Or maybe I'm splitting hairs here.
Regards - Brian.
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Example: Old way - choose car make, choose model. You are now on a *single page* that has all the information you need about the car, including a fairly comprehensive writeup, a complete list of options, their contents and their prices, the base, invoice and 'TMV', pros, cons, and more.
New way - choose car, choose model. You are now on a page that has a brief writeup and little more. Want pricing info? Find the little 'price' selection. Click. Then you wait for another page which has *only* base pricing. Want options? Another click brings up a small window. You must enter zip code and a BS color selection before you can click again to see the options. But all you see is a name, ie: sport package, and the price. Want to know what's in the package? Another click, another wait. ***One click and wait for each and every option.*** Yada yada.
Good grief. It worked great before. Now it's a rroyal pain. Who bought this software? I've got a nice bridge ...
Rant mode off.
I'm guessing the people who came up with this little package are proponents of the "de Sade" philosophy of software design...
You mentioned that the concept was on the Town Car platform!? I missed that. Why on earth would they use that old pig? Oops! Don't mean to offend any Town Car owners but that platform has been around since the last ice age. The DEW is the best platform Ford has ever had - that would be the only way to go.
Now, where can I put down my deposit? ;-)
Bruce (from the land of 10,000 potholes)
The other angles still don't convince me this is the coupe Lincoln can/should build.
The dash (esp. the steering wheel) is the only part of the concept that cues my brain to think "this is a Lincoln".
Even though these are styling cliches, there's got to be a way to graft them onto the modern car with a fresh note: hidden headlights, opera window and spare tire hump. That old Lincoln stand-up hood ornament was great - how about a spring loaded version that lies flat on the grille top, but the owner can choose to "flip up".
And what about the old Designer Series updated:
Prada, Dolce and Gabbana, etc. etc.
Can you tell my dad used to be a part owner of a Lincoln dealership from '71-'78?
Dick
Drove by a local dealer on my lunch break and saw an Autumn red LS with the chrome wheels. What a looker!! I wish that color had been available when I got mine back in May of 99.
And I agree on the Autumn red w/chrome wheels. That's how I ordered mine, and it does look great!
I understand some have already been restored, and more may be coming, but there are no promises at this point.
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Dick
Anyone else here have a similar problem? And if so what was the fix? Thanks!
Jeff
So what would Jonathan say? Firehawks or Turanza's for 2000 LS Owners when we have to replace our tires? Of course this is from the Sport handling and Grip perspective....
Victor
Based on comments from people after viewing the concept car, I'm not alone in my view that this is ugly. Quite a few people were coming away saying "You've got to be kidding me!" They had a good laugh over the 22" wheels which looked like a steamroller.
Disappointed with the Lincoln exhibit. Jaguar had a big fancy display with all their cars plugged in so people could play with the seat controls. The LSes, three of them all LS-8 models, two Sport, were open but without any battery or plug-in power, people were getting in and finding out that they couldn't adjust the seat. Don't even want to venture a guess at how many taller people decided the car wasn't roomy enough because of the seat. Lincoln should have had a LS-6 Sport Manual on the floor.
Most disturbing to me was the fact that two of the black 2001 LS models had a paint problem. I was embarassed to open the hood on the cars and see that there was quite a bit of white or light colored paint showing through the black paint by the fender bolts and around the shock tower housing on the passenger side. I've heard and seen this problem first-hand with some of our members and I thought that the Wixom paint shop had gotten their act together. Based on what I saw today I am disappointed to report that does not seem to be the case. I cannot believe that Lincoln would have a car in a show like NY in this condition.
I also couldn't believe the number of people who came up to us and asked us what this car was. Don't know what the ad campaign in NY/NJ is like, but let's get real. This car is two years old. I would think if Lincoln had an effective ad campaign most people would know that Lincoln had a LS. They all knew about the Continental, and I'm not just talking about the target Continental market either.
I am a tad depressed over the state of our car, in terms of build quality, market awareness and lack of dealer service quality. Any of these could possibly kill our dear car, combined they certainly will.
Brian(who will probably get flamed for these remarks and right now, wouldn't care
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They took my order over the phone and I got them with no problem. When I took the car into my dealer for routine service the service manager took the mats in to his parts manager and insisted he buy some to replace the thin junk that diminishes our interiors. They should be like this from the factory.
2. Does anyone know about floor mats that actually fit the entire space? The front ones in LS are ludicrously small. I have to vacuum out my LS weekly. And about a third of the front carpet space isn't even covered up by the mats. (If you want to see magnificent floor mats, check out those in the Hyundai Sonata. Very heavy construction, nice materials, and they completely fill in the entire floor space, both front & back. Hardly let a speck of dirt touch the carpet.)
Scott
It doesn't surprise me that Lincoln would proudly display a poorly painted LS. My LS, as you have seen, was delivered to me with the same paint issues. When I had the factory rep. inspect the lack of paint in the hood area, filler cap area and door jams, he said he saw nothing wrong and the quality and it was prfectly acceptable. I told him that if this was acceptable, Lincoln wouldn't be selling to many LS's. If they want to compete with the there foreign competition, they better start listening to what is important to those looking to purchase the LS.
Anyway, I liked the chrome trim of the standard model but wanted the sport suspension. So, Premium Package it is.
I'm happy to say that I love this car! If anyone has questions about the Premium Package, let me know - I'd be happy to help you out.
I was surprised to see (but did not complain about) the Bridgestone tires when I picked it up. These tires should be quite sufficient for anything that I will ever do with the car.
Color is Cypress Green, which you do not see a lot of. It looks great with the 17" chrome wheels! I will be taking pictures as soon as I have a non-rainy weekend here in Dallas, and plan to send them to LLSOC and wherever else for all to see.
I DO want more power. It sounds like there's not much to do just yet other than air filters & exhaust, though. Somehow I don't think that's going to be enough.
I'm also hoping for some kind of improvement with break-in, as I have read about here and there. I think I read somewhere (on this board?) that someone realized a significant performance increase at five or ten thousand miles. Having worked on engines for 15 years, I do not understand how a motor could take this long to break-in and suddenly run noticeably better. Can anyone comment on this?
Jon
In today's Omaha World-Herald Auto Section, Stan Olsen Lincoln advertising "new 2001 LS lease for $349 per month, 24 mo., closed end lease, $2999 cash down or trade equity, 12k mi/yr, taxes & licence extra." Woodhouse Lincoln will sell a new 2001 LS for $27,692.
rugbug: I think $621.00 is high, but not terribly high. I'm paying less than that on a similarly equipped 5 speed LS and I get 15000 miles/year rather than 12000 as in your deal. Plus the 5 speed has a lower residual value than the auto. I would work em some more and try to get that number down by at least 5% and mileage up to 15000, but I don't know if there's any more than that left.
I think your feedback is valid and something Lincoln should take note of.
I too was perplexed why there were obvious fit and finish flaws on the LSs displayed at the Concours in San Juan Capistrano and at Lincoln's Ride and Drive at Santa Anita last year. I would have hoped these minor flaws would have been caught before being displayed to throngs of potential customers.
quikls, re break-in: I've described my break-in experience, a substantial improvement in performance at about 4500 miles, in previous posts. I, too, have built a few engines, but am by no means an expert, and can offer no hard data or technical expertise to support my statements.
But I drive my car 90 miles every day on the same roads, and have a pretty good feel for what it does at a given amount of throttle. Also noted an improvement in gas mileage at the same time. For what it's worth.
marsha7: I had a deal in the works to get a group discount for LLSOC at the WalMart High Performance Department, but if you're going to crack jokes you can just forget it.
Scott
Happy Easter to all. Corny as it may sound, I gave up this web site for lent. It wasn't easy as I normally log on at least twice a day. In any event, I attended the world challenge at Lone Star Park in Grand Prairie Texas two weeks ago. They had 4 groups of cars from "entry level" where there was a Caterra, LS and Merc E320 to mid range where a deVille, Jag and BMW 540 to luxury which had a Merc S430 a Lexus 400 and a Caddy ST. The 4th group was SUV's which I didn't look at.
Hands down the winner was the BMW. You aim it and it goes. No muss no fuss. BUT it stickered out at 20K more than the LS.
Was embarassing for Caddy as their cars were there running with no one in line while the others were getting a good work over. Also embarassing for Ford as both the LS and the Jag on numerous occassions conked out mid track and left the test driver stranded.
(I hated the Jag J shifter)I beleive I can work my LS around the track as quick as the beemer but with a lot more effort. Where I'd be 4 wheel drifting the LS the beemer would be holding. Almost got escorted off the luxury track. The flag man said to boot it which I did but others didn't appreciate an 80k Lexus sliding through the corners. Has anyone else had a chance to compare at one of these events?
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I have a squeak when the rear armrest is down. I wonder if it is the same.
buckwheat:
That first concept looks a lot like the Batmobile! I HATE this new "edge" look. What ever happened to lines that flowed, panels that blended into one classy form? Look at the resurgence of the modified 40's styles. Every piece flowed into the next. The thing that makes the LS so elegant and the Evoc so ugly is the way the body lines flow. The Evoc looks like the old Regatta, IMHO. They started designing, found out that the car was too long/big and just started chopping off corners. (DISCLAIMER: These are my opinions and do not necessairly represent the opinions of......)
Looks like the Premium Package is becoming more and more available around the country. I just saw my first one on the back lot at the local megadealer. It had obviously just been delivered as it had not yet been through cleanup.
This one was ivory and parchment, and it looked pretty good, although I don't really care for the chrome Sport wheels on the ivory car--IMHO, they look much better on the darker colors like Autumn Red.
This car had the Bridgestone Turanzas, and they're 235/50 17s just like the Firehawks. This gives us another alternative when tire-replacement time comes around. I'm still curious about the change; maybe it's to avoid the "Firestone" question.
Looking through the window, it's hard to tell how much difference there is in interior color, but the leather appears a bit lighter than the medium parchment in my car. The bins at the lower front of the front doors are in the darker color rather than matching the lower door panels as are mine, and the console lid is also dark. This lid appears to be about half as thick as mine, too. Odd; maybe it's to align better with the door armrests.
The basket-weave seat inserts look fine, but I wonder how they'll wear over the long haul. In general, the interior differences are subtle and include all the things that have been noted in previous posts. I still prefer the bumper caps without the bright trim, but that's just a personal thing. All in all, it's a good-looking car and a nice alternative package.
They also had a Grand Marquis with the LSE sport package (bucket seats and console) which is a bit of a predictor of the upcoming Marauder. Not bad; really improves the GM.
Finally, this dealer's back lot now has not one but THREE crashed LSs, and they're all Sports. The ivory one with the smashed passenger side that I described a while back is still there, and it's now accompanied by a parchment gold with a crushed right-rear fender and a silver that's had a mild front impact with the left front taking most of the hit. It's really depressing to see damaged LSs; I wish they'd keep 'em inside...
If you don't like the lease deal on an LS6, you might consider a Jag S-type. I know it isn't an LS. But if you are talking about leasing, and if Jag is subsidizing the lease aggressively, you might get a better deal than Lincoln. Worth a look?
Fell behind in my NY Times reading. Just finished the 4/6/01 issue. Big half-page ad offering "2001 Jaguar S-type AJ-V6 MSRP $44,250 including transportation, excluding TTL" for "$499/month for 39 months, $1,000 down payment". No security deposit or acquisition fee. Get 30,000 total miles or about 9,230 miles a year (or 769 miles a month). This specific ad shows 12 Jag dealers in greater NY City area, including NY, CT, & NJ. Works out to be $20,461 over the 39 months. Gives 1-800-4JAGUAR number or www.jaguar.com/us.
You should post your observations on the GM LSE at the Edmunds Marauder site. Those folks might be interested.