When I took my 2000 LS Sport to the tire shop I spoke of in post #1831 for balancing, they did the road force measurement tests and concluded that the wheels and tires were okay. They said that the wheels were extremely out of balance (too much weight on each one). I have chrome/aluminium wheels, the same ones that are optional on the 20001. Even after this test and rebalancing, I don't think the "ride is right". I run 30 psi in all four tires. Should I lower the psi in the fronts? Any other suggestions?
I would not lower the pressure if I were you. Have you driven another LS Sport for comparison purposes? That might give you a better idea if yours is normal. An LS shouldn't exhibit "vibrations" but you will get road "feel."
Thanks for your comments that your vibration was at 72 MPH. The first time the dealer balanced and rotated my tires they took off a lot of weight on 3 of the 4 tires. However, all that was accomplished was that I could feel the vibration the the front as well as the rear of the car. Since I have the same, although weaker vibration with the Goodyears my feeling is that it is the whole unibody resonating at around 30 Hz. I feel that this is a design fault as it takes only the slightest tire vibration to excite this unibody resonance. I hope it's fixed in the 2002 freshining or I'll be looking elsewhere when my lease is up. After 5 trips to the dealer and no real resolution I've had enough, especially since it now looks like I have to track down a competent tire shop with a Hunter balancer and shell out $$ to get a fix. LS owners simply shouldn't have so spend this much time and effort screwing with vibration and tire problems. If this was a $18K Taurus I'd accept it, but not on a $35-40K "luxury" car.
I'm perplexed, I received my Polk DX7's (seems to be the #1 choice) today and can't get the door panel completely off. I removed the end screw, the 3 along the bottom and the 2 under the handle flap, I popped the retainers holding the bottom portion of the panel, but, can't seem to get any farther without the risk or damage. The upper part doesn't seem to want to budge. There is mention of a 7th screw which I can't seem to locate. Any help would be greatly appreciated. Thanks
Would be interesting to see how the LS would fare, both sales and recall-wise in Japan. As Ford's own 2000 Annual Report shows, 99% of LS sales are in North America, primarily USA and Canada. Wonder what distribution of Jag S-type sales is worldwide? I'm guessing overwhelmingly in USA, Canada, and Western Europe. Car ownership in Japan & Japanese recall system are unique. Due to high taxes after a certain point, most cars aren't kept for more than about 7 years.
Do you search all day for anything BMW related to compare with the LS?
That Japanese BMW recall link, which was for 14 models during the years 1994-97 and effected 56K cars, was less than the 82K cars effected by the 2000-2001 LS safety recall. For some additional fun, look up Lincoln recalls during those same years for ALL Lincoln models.
Once again I'm trying to catch up on hundreds of messages and have happened upon a thread that demands immediate response. Fuel economy, or the lack thereof.
I've posted on this topic before, and it's interesting that others are continuing to notice this particular "feature" of our favorite ride. My put is that the worldwide extremely low emissions "feature" of this car sends economy into the toilet. My previous car, which had a number of other problems, weighed about the same, had an automatic transmission (my LS doesn't), and didn't appear to be significantly smoother aerodynamically. It's also worth pointing out that most of my driving (besides my annual sanity break) is mixed in-town stuff in which aero features are irrelevant. Idling at 900 rpm while the rest of the world does it at 600 does add up at stoplights. I don't even want to know what they've done to acceleration schedules (open-loop) and other things to keep those nasty emissions below everyone's requirements in the free world.
Drips -- I'm now in possession of a vehicle that drips on the floor just like the Eagle Vision with the automatic transmission trouble I moved heaven and earth to replace. I think I had a clean garage floor for all of eleven months. Perhaps I'm supposed to be thankful, but when I buy a new car, the least of the things I expect is that it won't drip stuff on the floor. It's probably the (somewhat) well-publicized steering rack drip that we've heard of from time to time. Nothing I like better than having the factory "seal" broken as local technicians who may or may not have ever done the job before attempt to "fix" my car.
Even though I've foregone nearly all the options available on this car, I appear to still need service. I'll definitely keep you posted.
Thanks Tom for the help, the doors panels came off much easier with the hidden door handle screw out. Incredible how easy the DX7's went in place and how nicely the door panel went back in place without having to search for holes. Thanks to whoever had the idea to solder the old speaker connectors to the new speaker wires, that made the job much easier.
60's, must be nice, it barely hit 50 way upstate NY today, we're hoping all the snow is gone by May. By the way, the LS goes quite well in the snow, especially for a RWD.
I'm very happy with the speakers Bill. When I replaced the back speakers the base punch was even more pronounced. I don't think you could get much better sound without adding some amps, maybe component speakers and a subwoofer. I've been there done that and it just isn't that important anymore. Enjoy the tunes.
Due to a last minute addition of a charity event by the organizers of the NY Auto Show on Wednesday evening the LS Owners Meeting at the show scheduled for 5:00pm-6:00pm has been cancelled.
Organizers wanted everyone cleared out of the Jacob Javits center by 5:00pm and Lincoln tried to find a suitable venue within walking distance for the meeting and due to the Auto Show, there was nothing available.
In today's NYT auto section, the headline story discusses the future of Lincoln and Cadillac. Discussion includes a Mark 9 concept car and there is a brief mention of the LS' success in attracting younger buyers to the Lincoln brand.
My 2001 Lincoln LS, V-6 Automatic, averages less than 22 MPG. At 60 MPH the engine runs about 2000 RPM. The V-6 in my T-Bird operates at 1600 RPM when cursing at 60 MPH and averages 26 MPG. Is this the norm for the Lincoln ? They advertise 25 for over the road. What should I expect?
..are a bit disappointing in my opinion, for the LSV6 and LSV8, particularly when you compare against others. 2002 Infiniti Q45, whose curbweight is heavier than the LS, generates more HP, and has 333 ft lb of torque, gets 17/25 on its EPA sticker. Compare those figures with the LS V8. Heavier, more power and torque, yet gets same or better gas mileage. Whats wrong with this picture?
Raymond, I have no experience with LS6 mileage but your reference to the V6 T-bird and RPM caught my eye.
The 3.8 V6 T-bird was a pushrod 2 valve engine that developed pretty decent torque (but not much horsepower) at a low RPM. It is appropriate to gear that type of engine to run at low RPM while cruising. At it's peak, the Duratec develops more horsepower than the 3.8 but it doesn't develop as much torque at low RPM. My point is that if the LS were geared like the T-Bird, it would have trouble pulling the hat off your head without downshifting.
It seems that the Duratec improves a lot when broken in. We have a Duratec Taurus and that has been our experience. 5000 miles or so works wonders but you will never likely win any awards for fuel economy.
The trials and tribulations of Clor were both interesting and mildly amusing. At least they pointed out that some eagle-eyed folks (guessing about a dozen people who post here) sent them info on the tranny TSB (01-01-05). And Clor had the TSB performed. They aren't raving yet but willing to see if the re-flash helps with the hesitation. I fully concur with what Clor reports on interior and trunk space, esp. the trunk. LS needs the non-intrusive trunk hinges. My '00 audiophile system and the trunk hinges really eat into useable space.
My LS8 Sport still in shop since 3/22/01. Supposed to get it back on 4/9/01. Get to take the dealer's LS8 base loaner on a trip to Tulsa and back today & tomorrow. (I keep having the dash airbag warning light coming on and not going off.)
To add insult to injury, this is either the 5th or 6th time she has been in the shop to work on this airbag light problem. They have tried everything, or so they say, including removing the seat and getting into the dash looking for the gremlin. Worked so much on the driver-side seat that they lost the rear floor mat once and both of the plastic covers that hide the bolts for the rear anchor points.
Might not be able to enjoy the drive. Dreary, rainy, misty, foggy weather. I'll have to take 2 lane highway most way and will be travelling in dark part of time. I slow down in these cases. She'll likely be in D5 whole time. Guessing I might not be able to pass as and when I'd like.
Here's a new one. I have a 2001 V-8 w/1600 miles, A knock developed in the the steering within the last week. Whenever you turn the wheel, not necessarily all the way, I hear what sounds like someone tapping on a piece of wood within the steering column. It doesn't happen all the time, but the dealer didn't have a problem recreating the noise almost every time the wheel turns. He called and said he would need more time to diagnose the problem because he didn't allocate enough time today. Not a problem, since I'm going on vacation and can leave the car for a week. The noise didn't bother me at first, but I then began to look for it and it became very annoying. I'll keep the board posted as to the outcome.
I hope it is only the steering rack. That was the first oil leak of my 6 times to the dealer for leaks and it was fixed successfully the first time. However, the other 5 now to be six have been from the tranny or so they say. I mean now to be six as my wife reported that there again is oil drips on the garage floor after just getting it back 1.5 weeks ago after they said they fixed the problem. So another trip to the dealer when I get back from business travel on 4/16. If this keeps going on, half of my miles on the odometer will be to and from the dealer for warranty service. My freinds and neighbors have also noticed and mentioned about my frequent collection of loaner cars.
This is the most fustrating car experience I have ever had and could very well be my first and last Lincoln experience.
My father (nearing that coveted 65 and up Lincoln age group) who is aware of all my LS problems will not be buying a Lincoln.
I have been reading so many posts about recalled BMWs and other competively priced cars vs LS's..its time for folks to get a grip on the purpose of recalls....their only purpose is to keep you alive when somone at the design level or production level makes an error or some part just plain gives out after a few years of wear and tear. They are not bragging rights to a seemingly superior less recalled car...wait long enough and your turn will come! I love my LS because it's made by a company that is willing to take risks to advance engine and performance technology ...not just the hood ornament or slope of the fender. Sometimes those risks have their liability but that is how we advance. My 99 Continental has about 23 more HP than my V8 LS...and can really bellow out some mean torque when pushed to the floor, but anyone who has ever driven one can tell you a definite perceived loss of front wheel control during the first second or two of wide open throttle is scarry, till the car settles back and gives the control back. Eventhough my LS is just a shade slower out of the hole, there is no loss of control or loud exhaust throttling...just quick, quiet, sure controlled acceleration. Bill
LLSOC, at the request of the LS Brand Manager, has added a topic on the LLSOC board called LS Wish List. If you truly want to have your voices heard about what you would like to see on future LSes post them there. The brand manager and engineers will be reviewing the topic on a regular basis and if enough votes are tallied for a particular improvement, it may well show up in a future model.
DO NOT use the topic as a soapbox to rail against what is wrong with the LS. This is meant to provide a positive way for us to be able to influence future model improvements. Use the platform provided wisely.
I have to admit that I have spent more time with a loaner than I care to admit. Yes I know. Oh it's a first year model...I should have expected it.... oh it's only for some minor inconveince item.... it's not like the car dies on the highway at 70 mph..( at least not yet) . Yeah well I say for all those that chastise me for commenting about such trivial things. I didn't pay 38K for this.... Heated seats not working, AC problem, Ball joint recall, window crashed, squeaks and rattles all over the car, yet after weeks at the dealer my car still has a bad squeak in the dash, an AC system that creaks and moans from the middle of the dash as it tries to figure which outlet to direct air, a trans that sometimes can't find a gear in which to place itself when accelerating. not to mention the chattering brakes sometimes pulling to the right sometimes not..did I mention the moonroof problem??. For all of you that have nothing to talk about but V6 vs V8, what speakers to install, What your gear ratios are... how much storage space you lack, which tires to buy... what exhaust system to upgrade to, how the BMW is so good and the LS is so bad....I just wish I could make the payments and drive my car and not another dirty Lincoln towncar loaner while I wait for another trip to the dealer to fix the problem I had fixed my last trip to the dealer.... OK I'm done venting.... let me have it.... I'm ready.....
I feel bad for you. You've certainly had more than your share of problems with your LS. Not intending to pour salt on your wounds here, but I and many others that post here have not had the same experience as you. I wouldn't expect the number of problems that you have experienced for a new model vehicle regardless of price range.
To be sure, you mention at least two problems that Lincoln has acknowledged and has provided a remedy. As for your other problems, your service center should correct them without having to return multiple times for the same complaint. Unless you really trust the service center, or have no other alternatives, I would recommend that you search out another service center that will spend the time to understand what your problems are and then correct them. Any service advisor worth his salt would check to ensure that the technician implementing the repair actually solved the reported problem, particularly squeaks and rattles.
A Guide to Consumer Rights and Remedies When a New Car Turns Out to be Defective
Prepared by the Department of Legislative Reference Annapolis, Maryland updated 21 August 1996
For additional copies of this pamphlet, please contact:
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In 1984 the General Assembly enacted the Maryland Automotive Warranty Enforcement Act more commonly known as "The Lemon Law." This law provides consumers with a number of rights and remedies to aid in the enforcement of manufacturer's warranties on new cars.
Every new automobile sold by a dealership in the United States comes with a manufacturer's warranty. The warranty may be of little comfort when the car dealer or manufacturer does not satisfy the guarantees made in the warranty or when the new car must be returned for repairs again and again.
Applicability of the Lemon Law
The Lemon Law applies to the sale of all new cars, small trucks, and multipurpose vehicles in Maryland. It does not apply to motor homes.
The benefits of the Lemon Law are available not only if the vehicle that was purchased from a dealer was new, but also if it was transferred to another person during the vehicle's warranty period. That warranty period is 15 months after the car was originally delivered by the dealer or 15,000 miles, whichever comes first.
Under the law, a car is considered a lemon if, during the 15-month/15,000 mile warranty period, a defect or condition that substantially impairs the use and market value of the car cannot be repaired after a reasonable number of attempts. A "reasonable number of attempts" means once, in the case of the braking or steering system, and four times in the case of other defects.
Alternatively, the "reasonable number of attempts" requirement is satisfied if the car is out of service for repair of defects for a total of 30 or more days during the warranty period.
A car is not considered a lemon, however, if the defect is the result of abuse, neglect, or unauthorized modifications of the car.
How the Process Works
The Lemon Law imposes certain requirements on the consumer, the car dealer, and the manufacturer. If the dealer and manufacturer do not comply with these requirements, they may be subject to several different penalties under the law. If the consumer does not fulfill the consumer's obligations, the right to take advantage of the Lemon Law may be lost.
If there is a problem with a new car during the warranty period, the dealer or the manufacturer must be given an opportunity to repair the defect. Also, the consumer must send a written notice of the defect to the manufacturer by certified mail, return receipt requested, during the warranty period. The manufacturer or dealer must correct the defect, at no charge to the consumer, within 30 days after receiving notice of the defect. If the car is returned to the dealer four times to repair the same defect or if it is out of service for more than a total of 20 days because of defects, the dealer must notify the manufacturer of the defect and send a copy of the notice to the Motor Vehicle Administration. However, failure of the dealer to give the required notice does not affect the consumer's rights under the Lemon Law.
If the consumer is not satisfied with the way the dealer or manufacturer is handling the new car's defect or if the consumer is unable to reach an agreement as to an appropriate remedy, the consumer may submit the dispute to the manufacturer's informal arbitration procedure, if one exists. The consumer is not required to submit to arbitration, however, and even if arbitration is chosen, it is not binding on the consumer. Legal action in the courts before, during, or after an arbitration proceeding is always an option. The only limitation is that a legal action under the Lemon Law must be filed in court within three years after the date of original delivery of the vehicle to the consumer.
Remedies
If the dealer or manufacturer is unable to repair the consumer's car after a reasonable number of attempts (as described above), the manufacturer is required to do one of two things. At the consumer's option, the manufacturer must either: (1) Replace the car with another that is acceptable to the consumer; or (2) Accept return of the car and refund the full purchase price, less a reasonable allowance for the use of the vehicle.
There are other remedies available to a consumer under the Lemon Law. If the consumer cannot settle a dispute with the manufacturer out of court, the court may require the manufacturer to pay part or all of the consumer's attorney's fees if the consumer prevails in court. If the court finds that the manufacturer has acted in bad faith in failing to fulfill its obligations under the Lemon Law, the manufacturer may be ordered to pay the consumer up to $10,000, in addition to any other remedies ordered by the court. Furthermore, a violation of the Lemon Law by a car dealer or manufacturer is considered an "unfair and deceptive trade practice" and may subject the dealer or manufacturer to certain penalties under the Maryland Consumer Protection Act.
In addition to the Lemon Law, other areas of the law may help the consumer in a dispute concerning a new car. For example, under the Maryland Uniform Commercial Code, the consumer may be entitled to the benefit of certain implied warranties which are not contained in a written warranty.
More Information
In any dispute concerning a new car, the consumer may wish to consult with an attorney. Further information on the Lemon Law may be obtained from:
Consumer Protection Division Office of the Attorney General 200 St. Paul Place Baltimore, Maryland 21202-2021 Telephone: (410) 576-6550
For more information on auto safety in general, contact:
Center for Auto Safety 2001 S Street, N.W. Suite 410 Washington, D.C. 20009 Telephone: (202) 328-7700
Department of Motor Vehicles 6601 Ritchie Hwy. N.E. Glen Burnie, MD 21202 410 768-7535
The Maryland Lemon Law may be found in:
Sections 14-1501 through 14-1504 of the Commercial Law Article of the Annotated Code of Maryland.
I'm sure that will be very helpful to klarson1, but per the TOU, I need to ask you if you would please delete that post and instead give us a link to that information? We don't want to run afoul of any copyright issues on other websites, or anywhere for that matter.
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Well Spring is FINALLY arriving here! Made a tee time for early next week - YIPEE!
Now that the weather is warming up I have been noticing a musty smell when the A\C light is on. I don't know if it's normal or not, but the A\C light is almost always on in my car even when I have it set to AUTO and no matter what the temperature. Even when I manually turn the light off, it still comes on the next time I start the car.
Anyway, back to the musty smell. Has anyone else experienced this? Could there be a condensate drainage issue? The car is now just over a year old and only has 12,000 miles on it. I don't imagine that the in-cabin filtration system filter would need replacing yet, or would it?
BTW: Where did you folks find the flags to place on your messages?
1.You can get a super charger or turbo charger for the LS6M? 2. Can you get a chip for the LS6M? 3. The LLSOC site has a link for a cat back system but the link doesn't list Lincolns - is there another place to look? 4. Does some shop put a manual transmission the LS8? 5. If you can get a manual transmision in the LS8, how about a supercharger and /or chip? 6. Will the 2002 series cars have any of the foregoing?
I have a musty smell everytime I turn on the A/C. And I play all the games like turning off the compressor and putting the fan on high two miles from home to let the "insides warm up". I'll have to check for condensate drainage problems. I live in So Cal and it's fairly dry here. My LS6M is nine months old and it's always had the smell for a few minutes after the compressor is engaged. Maybe it's time for the Lysol treatment (or automotive equivalent).
For those of us who have been clamoring for an idea of what the "freshened" LS for '02 will be like, see page 20 of the May issue of Motor Trend.
The article features a sketch of an '03 Lincoln convertible sedan concept, somewhat reminiscent of the classic '61 Lincoln Cont 4-door convert. According to M/T, this serves as "a showcase for the LS sedan face lift."
Same issue: one-year test update on '00 LS. "Our pair of LS has continued to give enjoyable and TROUBLE-FREE service." (emphasis added) "...really terrific cars for the money."
Re the latest MPG discussion here- their average MPG (V8) over 15K miles-15.8. Less than the BMW X5 4.4 updated the same article and about the same as long-term Toyota Tundra P/U with 4.7L V8. With apologies to Mike Myers, discuss amongst yourselves.
I bet Brian can put his three cents worth in about your questions, and they have been dealt with at some length in previous posts by others including LS engineers. Suffice it to say that the fuel and ignition systems are quite optimized. The best approach is to try to minimize pumping losses. The intake and exhaust are likely culprits here. Brian and Airconhall (Mike) have each donated their cars to Magnaflow and the prototype work is done. Dyno testing shows an improvement in hp and torque and production units are supposed to be available in a couple of months. The system uses a proven "X-pipe" array and is cat-back. I think the limitation after the exhaust system is modified is the intake system. If you pull out the air filter box (while installing the K&N of course), you will see an obvious kink in the air snorkel system. The pipe picks up air from a body opening in the left fender then snakes around toward the middle of the engine and enters from the opposite side from the fender. We need a cone filter in a large, direct entry air box. Next would be a larger diameter mass air sensor. These parts will eventually appear, as Hitachi makes various sizes for many cars. I don't know of a super or turbo charger fitment but it's just a matter of time. Don't look for a chip because there is no provision for attaching a chip to the LS ECU. LS engineering has said that any gains would be extremely marginal and at a sacrifice in some other parameter. I have asked the Manual Drivetrain Engineers about installing the current Getrag with the V-8. Indeed, V-8 test mules have been saddled with the Tremec or T-5 in the past. But there is a question whether the current Getrag can handle the torque of the V-8. We know that the Getrag six-speed can because it is used in the 540i but the cost of this tranny is prohibitive in the Manual LS price class ( but I bet we radical Manual guys would pay the incremental cost increase to get overdrive and a deeper rear ratio). I think right now the LM bean-counters are in a harvest mode and not a "let's invest more in a down market" mode. One T-Bird exec let out at the San Diego International Auto Show that the Bird may have a Manual after its first year. If that happens, it means that the R and D for the V-8 Manual would have been done by Ford. But since the Jaguar VVT is still not shared with the LS, don't think Ford will share their V-8 Manual with us automatically. Those crazy marketing guys think that Jaguar owners buy engines and T-Bird owners buy transmissions. It's the LS owners that care about that stuff. I predict that the V-8 Manual would be a failure in the T-Bird as VVT is actually not a selling point for the Jaguar. The Jaguar owner could care less about how HER hp is generated. But not having VVT in the LS denies LS owners probably the most cost-effective way to increase performance. LM treats the LS like it was a common Ford and not a Lincoln. We're only half-finished, Team. Let's complete the job on Lincoln's PERFORMANCE car. Soon, many cars, including the Sentra SE-R, will have six-speeds with LSD differentials as standard. The MB 240, the new IS300, even the Focus will feature the Getrag six-speed manual. Why is the LS so far behind? An overdrive six-speed will allow a deeper rear ratio for better performance and economy. Then a limited slip differential will complete the package. I bet a V-6 VVT six-speed Manual with a 3:58 LSD could really perform at the next LS Mania or SCCA Slolom. No doubt that this V-6 Manual LS would sell better than the current one, which is bested by the V-8 Auto in 0-60. The mags would rave about this "Super Manual LS". Ok, off the soapbox. Coneinator Out.
When I first picked up by 2000 V8 LS Sport it also had a tire vibration that showed up as a very small shake in the steering wheel. One trip to the deealer for a rebalance did not solve the problem. I finally took it to Merchants Tire here in Cary, NC and they fixed it. That was 18,000 miles ago.
Here is what they did. a. They first told me that there should not be any weight over 1 to 1.5 ounce on the tire. I had some that were 3 and 4 ounces on the tires. This meant that it was probably a combination of the Sport rims and tires not being true. Not just the tires. b. They spun the rims and tires marking where the weights should go. To them, still too much weight. c. They then deflated the tires and moved them around the rims until they found the optimum location. Now I have no weights over 1 ounce and even when I take the car in for rebalancing and rotation, the weights are still small and I have no vibration.
Yes, it took time but one the Merchant technician drove the car the first time and felt the vibration, they were committed to solving it.
The net of it is a combination of poor tire construction and Sport wheel construction. Check your weights. If you have weights between 2 and 4 ounces, this could be your problem. The key is to move the tire around the rim.
Sometime in the next week or two, the name of this discussion will be changed dropping the "Part XIII" designation.
Now that we have moved to our new platform, we no longer have a requirement to stop and restart discussions after a certain number of posts have occurred. Therefore, this discussion can be regarded as the permanent home for Lincoln LS conversation. The "part number" designations on all of our discussions will probably eventually confuse new members, so we will be gradually dropping them from the titles.
We'll also be altering original discussions in the Archives to differentiate between the first and the current.
I just wanted to give you a heads up - and by the way, if you are subscribed to this discussion, a name change will not affect your subscription.
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Thanks for the information. I have contacted a shop in NJ that modifies Mustangs. The owner is going to see if the Getrag 6 speed, a Mustang manual or a Viper six speed will fit the Lincoln V8. I'll let you know what happens. I am trying to buy an American sedan with a manual transmission - my last one was a Ford SHO. I waited for the promised V8 SHO with a stick - but it was never produced. I like the LS6M, and I still may just go ahead and do it and add the exhaust and try to create the type of induction system you mentioned(I guess the SHO spoiled me).
There are several issues with the current induction system that combined tend to prevent a maximum amount of air flow.
1. As Stan mentioned, the gooseneck in the airbox. 2. The two 90 degree turns that the airflow must take prior to getting into the intake manifold. 3. The mass air flow sensor.
Can't expect that just by going to a bigger MAF that you will get the anticipated horsepower increase. Chances are, that you may end up with a bit of throttle lag because of it. You could move the MAF right before the intake manifold inlet but that would require rerouting of lines etc.
I just looked at the drawing of the proposed LS convertible. I hope Lincoln doesn't try copying cadillac, not an appealing look. They look like the front cow-catcher on the front of an old locomotive. Jim
I think that the resistance of the induction system may be limiting the current potential of any exhaust modification. I'm stumped because I can't think of any aftermarket manufacturer that specializes in the total approach necessary. It would involve plastic molding and fabrication as well as other induction hardware specialties. Airconhall mentioned that the Detroit connection that we hoped for has almost evaporated? Perhaps a knowledgeable Ford parts guy knows of an existing set-up on another Ford product that could be adapted. Someone on the forum mentioned the F-150 air box as adaptable. I'm certainly open to suggestions. Back in the 70's when I was campaigning a 74 Corolla SR-5, I bought an air cleaner from a bone yard and hooked up three hoses from the front grille area for plenty of cool air. Each one of those hoses could move more volume than the "labyrinth" snorkel on the LS. This bottleneck has got to be close to A-1 Priority on the aftermarket "wish list". Stanny1 - who is putting on his thinking cap as of now. Tomorrow is scheduled as "DX7" day.
I finally got fed up with lack of light in the trunk. I went to Kragen and purchased a utility light for $7. I wired it to the existing light and mounted it under the package shelf, at the rear. It intrudes a bit as the light is about 3" tall. The bright (:~>) side is that there is now enough light in the trunk to actually see what is in there! Now, I wonder if there is enough room on either side of the ashtray (I don't have the bun warmers) to install small oil pressure and volt guages.
The Lincoln LS sedan will be freshened in the 2002 model year and will be redesigned for the 2005 model year. The car currently is built on the rwd DEW platform.
However, planners may use the less expensive version of the platform, DEW Lite, for the next-generation LS, the 2003 Ford Mustang, the Australian Ford Falcon and a new large Ford sedan with the working name Fairlane.
In the next four years, the Premier Automotive Group wants to beef up the Lincoln brand in order to spur growth in global luxury sales. Currently, only the LS is deemed suitable for sale in Europe. Premier executives have confirmed that Lincoln will get the attention and investment required by a global high-end brand. Meanwhile, Mercury will tread water.
Lincoln is considering two new sedans as part of its growth strategy. One is a new range-topping Lincoln sedan larger than the LS. Derived from the DEW platform, the sedan could be developed around the 2004 or 2005 model year as a competitor to the Cadillac Seville.
Lincoln also is weighing a smaller DEW derivative for introduction possibly in the 2004 model year. The Lincoln model would be based on Jaguar’s new X400 sedan, which bows this fall to compete with smaller rivals such as the BMW 3 series.
Since I took delivery of my 2001 V8 sport pkg last Sept I have had a problem with the AC overall cooling especially on the passenger side in the Florida midday sun. Another symptom was when the AC was off and outside air was coming in it would eventually get almost 'hot' as if the heat was on when it was NOT supposed to be.
Long story short...after many weeks in the shop spread over many visits, two service shops could not find the problem. Replaced items included a heater valve (twice), the head control uint (twice), and a sensor on the evaporator core.
Result: Ford/Lincoln has authorized a replacement vehicle. Im frustrated about the whole thing but at least Ford/Lincoln was proactive on the replacement vehicle decision so I must commend them on that.
I have posted here twice about this problem but NO ONE else seems to have or heard of this problem, apparently neither has Lincoln. So Im chalking it up to my bad luck this time and viewing it as an isolated incident. Cross your fingers for my replacement vehicle...another 2001 V8 sport similarly equipped...this time with Advance-track.
1. Back from trip to Tulsa. Put 782 miles in the loaner LS8 non-Sport (same one I've had for past few weeks). With wife, kids, a little luggage, and driving mostly 64, 73, and 78 mph (depending upon posted speed limit) in nice weather, I averaged only 21.8 mpg.
2. May '01 issue of Road & Track has their 44,000 mile long-term test update. Their LS8 Sport has averaged 18.0 mpg overall. R&T continues to like: "So far, with few problems--and zero dollars out of pocket to fix them when they do occur--the Lincoln LS is a winner."
3. BMW Haters Beware: May '01 issue of Consumer Reports has their test of BMW 330i, Lexus IS300, MB C320, and Volvo S60 2.4 turbo. All are automatics. CR thinks the 330i "embodies everything a sports sedan should be." 0-60 times:
From their 10/99 report, CR's LS6 automatic went 0-60 in 10.2 secs.
CR did say nice things about LS. Rank its overall capability 2nd from their list of 9 sport sedans. Overall rating is a tick behind the 330i and tied with Lexus IS300. As CR puts it: "The Lincoln LS is another excellent car with a sporty character, but reliability problems keep us from recommending it."
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Bruce
There is mention of a 7th screw which I can't seem to locate.
Any help would be greatly appreciated.
Thanks
Bill
Yes there is a screw under the door latch behind the black insert. Pop the insert out from the front and you will see the screw.
It got into the 60's today hear in the Garden State and had My Polk's cranking with the windows and sunroof open. Spring is finally hear.
Tom
http://www.msnbc.com/news/555119.asp
Do you search all day for anything BMW related to compare with the LS?
That Japanese BMW recall link, which was for 14 models during the years 1994-97 and effected 56K cars, was less than the 82K cars effected by the 2000-2001 LS safety recall. For some additional fun, look up Lincoln recalls during those same years for ALL Lincoln models.
Brian
I've posted on this topic before, and it's interesting that others are continuing to notice this particular "feature" of our favorite ride. My put is that the worldwide extremely low emissions "feature" of this car sends economy into the toilet. My previous car, which had a number of other problems, weighed about the same, had an automatic transmission (my LS doesn't), and didn't appear to be significantly smoother aerodynamically. It's also worth pointing out that most of my driving (besides my annual sanity break) is mixed in-town stuff in which aero features are irrelevant. Idling at 900 rpm while the rest of the world does it at 600 does add up at stoplights. I don't even want to know what they've done to acceleration schedules (open-loop) and other things to keep those nasty emissions below everyone's requirements in the free world.
Drips -- I'm now in possession of a vehicle that drips on the floor just like the Eagle Vision with the automatic transmission trouble I moved heaven and earth to replace. I think I had a clean garage floor for all of eleven months. Perhaps I'm supposed to be thankful, but when I buy a new car, the least of the things I expect is that it won't drip stuff on the floor. It's probably the (somewhat) well-publicized steering rack drip that we've heard of from time to time. Nothing I like better than having the factory "seal" broken as local technicians who may or may not have ever done the job before attempt to "fix" my car.
Even though I've foregone nearly all the options available on this car, I appear to still need service. I'll definitely keep you posted.
Thanks to whoever had the idea to solder the old speaker connectors to the new speaker wires, that made the job much easier.
60's, must be nice, it barely hit 50 way upstate NY today, we're hoping all the snow is gone by May. By the way, the LS goes quite well in the snow, especially for a RWD.
Crank up the Polks.
Bill
Tom....
Organizers wanted everyone cleared out of the Jacob Javits center by 5:00pm and Lincoln tried to find a suitable venue within walking distance for the meeting and due to the Auto Show, there was nothing available.
Brian
If you're interested, it's at:
http://www.nytimes.com/2001/04/06/automobiles/06CARS.html
Is this the norm for the Lincoln ? They advertise 25 for over the road. What should I expect?
Brian
The 3.8 V6 T-bird was a pushrod 2 valve engine that developed pretty decent torque (but not much horsepower) at a low RPM. It is appropriate to gear that type of engine to run at low RPM while cruising. At it's peak, the Duratec develops more horsepower than the 3.8 but it doesn't develop as much torque at low RPM. My point is that if the LS were geared like the T-Bird, it would have trouble pulling the hat off your head without downshifting.
It seems that the Duratec improves a lot when broken in. We have a Duratec Taurus and that has been our experience. 5000 miles or so works wonders but you will never likely win any awards for fuel economy.
Bruce
My LS8 Sport still in shop since 3/22/01. Supposed to get it back on 4/9/01. Get to take the dealer's LS8 base loaner on a trip to Tulsa and back today & tomorrow. (I keep having the dash airbag warning light coming on and not going off.)
I will be interested in your impressions of the non-sport versus your Sport when you return from Tulsa. You should have Mom drive - Get there quicker.
Bruce
Might not be able to enjoy the drive. Dreary, rainy, misty, foggy weather. I'll have to take 2 lane highway most way and will be travelling in dark part of time. I slow down in these cases. She'll likely be in D5 whole time. Guessing I might not be able to pass as and when I'd like.
He called and said he would need more time to diagnose the problem because he didn't allocate enough time today. Not a problem, since I'm going on vacation and can leave the car for a week. The noise didn't bother me at first, but I then began to look for it and it became very annoying.
I'll keep the board posted as to the outcome.
Cancun, here I come.
Bill
My vibrations occurred at all speeds but especially at speeds over 72 mph - up to 90+(yeah, yeah, I know but, hey, sorry - I'm in Atlanta traffic...)!
The vibration was such that the steering wheel visibly "shook" and you could not see a clear image in rear view mirrors... Now that's a BAD vibration!
Go find the Hunter machine - see their website.
Good Luck!
This is the most fustrating car experience I have ever had and could very well be my first and last Lincoln experience.
My father (nearing that coveted 65 and up Lincoln age group) who is aware of all my LS problems will not be buying a Lincoln.
My 99 Continental has about 23 more HP than my V8 LS...and can really bellow out some mean torque when pushed to the floor, but anyone who has ever driven one can tell you a definite perceived loss of front wheel control during the first second or two of wide open throttle is scarry, till the car settles back and gives the control back. Eventhough my LS is just a shade slower out of the hole, there is no loss of control or loud exhaust throttling...just quick, quiet, sure controlled acceleration.
Bill
DO NOT use the topic as a soapbox to rail against what is wrong with the LS. This is meant to provide a positive way for us to be able to influence future model improvements. Use the platform provided wisely.
Brian
Yes I know. Oh it's a first year model...I should have expected it.... oh it's only for some minor inconveince item.... it's not like the car dies on the highway at 70 mph..( at least not yet) . Yeah well I say for all those that chastise me for commenting about such trivial things. I didn't pay 38K for this....
Heated seats not working, AC problem, Ball joint recall, window crashed, squeaks and rattles all over the car, yet after weeks at the dealer my car still has a bad squeak in the dash, an AC system that creaks and moans from the middle of the dash as it tries to figure which outlet to direct air, a trans that sometimes can't find a gear in which to place itself when accelerating. not to mention the chattering brakes sometimes pulling to the right sometimes not..did I mention the moonroof problem??.
For all of you that have nothing to talk about but V6 vs V8, what speakers to install, What your gear ratios are... how much storage space you lack, which tires to buy... what exhaust system to upgrade to, how the BMW is so good and the LS is so bad....I just wish I could make the payments and drive my car and not another dirty Lincoln towncar loaner while I wait for another trip to the dealer to fix the problem I had fixed my last trip to the dealer....
OK I'm done venting.... let me have it.... I'm ready.....
Kevin
To be sure, you mention at least two problems that Lincoln has acknowledged and has provided a remedy. As for your other problems, your service center should correct them without having to return multiple times for the same complaint. Unless you really trust the service center, or have no other alternatives, I would recommend that you search out another service center that will spend the time to understand what your problems are and then correct them. Any service advisor worth his salt would check to ensure that the technician implementing the repair actually solved the reported problem, particularly squeaks and rattles.
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Now that the weather is warming up I have been noticing a musty smell when the A\C light is on. I don't know if it's normal or not, but the A\C light is almost always on in my car even when I have it set to AUTO and no matter what the temperature. Even when I manually turn the light off, it still comes on the next time I start the car.
Anyway, back to the musty smell. Has anyone else experienced this? Could there be a condensate drainage issue? The car is now just over a year old and only has 12,000 miles on it. I don't imagine that the in-cabin filtration system filter would need replacing yet, or would it?
BTW: Where did you folks find the flags to place on your messages?
TIA
1.You can get a super charger or turbo charger for the LS6M?
2. Can you get a chip for the LS6M?
3. The LLSOC site has a link for a cat back system but the link doesn't list Lincolns - is there another place to look?
4. Does some shop put a manual transmission the LS8?
5. If you can get a manual transmision in the LS8, how about a supercharger and /or chip?
6. Will the 2002 series cars have any of the foregoing?
Thanks!
The article features a sketch of an '03 Lincoln convertible sedan concept, somewhat reminiscent of the classic '61 Lincoln Cont 4-door convert. According to M/T, this serves as "a showcase for the LS sedan face lift."
Same issue: one-year test update on '00 LS. "Our pair of LS has continued to give enjoyable and TROUBLE-FREE service." (emphasis added) "...really terrific cars for the money."
Re the latest MPG discussion here- their average MPG (V8) over 15K miles-15.8. Less than the BMW X5 4.4 updated the same article and about the same as long-term Toyota Tundra P/U with 4.7L V8. With apologies to Mike Myers, discuss amongst yourselves.
I think the limitation after the exhaust system is modified is the intake system. If you pull out the air filter box (while installing the K&N of course), you will see an obvious kink in the air snorkel system. The pipe picks up air from a body opening in the left fender then snakes around toward the middle of the engine and enters from the opposite side from the fender. We need a cone filter in a large, direct entry air box. Next would be a larger diameter mass air sensor. These parts will eventually appear, as Hitachi makes various sizes for many cars.
I don't know of a super or turbo charger fitment but it's just a matter of time. Don't look for a chip because there is no provision for attaching a chip to the LS ECU. LS engineering has said that any gains would be extremely marginal and at a sacrifice in some other parameter.
I have asked the Manual Drivetrain Engineers about installing the current Getrag with the V-8. Indeed, V-8 test mules have been saddled with the Tremec or T-5 in the past. But there is a question whether the current Getrag can handle the torque of the V-8. We know that the Getrag six-speed can because it is used in the 540i but the cost of this tranny is prohibitive in the Manual LS price class ( but I bet we radical Manual guys would pay the incremental cost increase to get overdrive and a deeper rear ratio). I think right now the LM bean-counters are in a harvest mode and not a "let's invest more in a down market" mode. One T-Bird exec let out at the San Diego International Auto Show that the Bird may have a Manual after its first year. If that happens, it means that the R and D for the V-8 Manual would have been done by Ford. But since the Jaguar VVT is still not shared with the LS, don't think Ford will share their V-8 Manual with us automatically. Those crazy marketing guys think that Jaguar owners buy engines and T-Bird owners buy transmissions. It's the LS owners that care about that stuff. I predict that the V-8 Manual would be a failure in the T-Bird as VVT is actually not a selling point for the Jaguar. The Jaguar owner could care less about how HER hp is generated. But not having VVT in the LS denies LS owners probably the most cost-effective way to increase performance. LM treats the LS like it was a common Ford and not a Lincoln. We're only half-finished, Team. Let's complete the job on Lincoln's PERFORMANCE car.
Soon, many cars, including the Sentra SE-R, will have six-speeds with LSD differentials as standard. The MB 240, the new IS300, even the Focus will feature the Getrag six-speed manual. Why is the LS so far behind? An overdrive six-speed will allow a deeper rear ratio for better performance and economy. Then a limited slip differential will complete the package. I bet a V-6 VVT six-speed Manual with a 3:58 LSD could really perform at the next LS Mania or SCCA Slolom. No doubt that this V-6 Manual LS would sell better than the current one, which is bested by the V-8 Auto in 0-60. The mags would rave about this "Super Manual LS".
Ok, off the soapbox. Coneinator Out.
Here is what they did.
a. They first told me that there should not be any weight over 1 to 1.5 ounce on the tire. I had some that were 3 and 4 ounces on the tires. This meant that it was probably a combination of the Sport rims and tires not being true. Not just the tires.
b. They spun the rims and tires marking where the weights should go. To them, still too much weight.
c. They then deflated the tires and moved them around the rims until they found the optimum location. Now I have no weights over 1 ounce and even when I take the car in for rebalancing and rotation, the weights are still small and I have no vibration.
Yes, it took time but one the Merchant technician drove the car the first time and felt the vibration, they were committed to solving it.
The net of it is a combination of poor tire construction and Sport wheel construction. Check your weights. If you have weights between 2 and 4 ounces, this could be your problem. The key is to move the tire around the rim.
Sometime in the next week or two, the name of this discussion will be changed dropping the "Part XIII" designation.
Now that we have moved to our new platform, we no longer have a requirement to stop and restart discussions after a certain number of posts have occurred. Therefore, this discussion can be regarded as the permanent home for Lincoln LS conversation. The "part number" designations on all of our discussions will probably eventually confuse new members, so we will be gradually dropping them from the titles.
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1. As Stan mentioned, the gooseneck in the airbox.
2. The two 90 degree turns that the airflow must take prior to getting into the intake manifold.
3. The mass air flow sensor.
Can't expect that just by going to a bigger MAF that you will get the anticipated horsepower increase. Chances are, that you may end up with a bit of throttle lag because of it. You could move the MAF right before the intake manifold inlet but that would require rerouting of lines etc.
We're working on it.
Brian
Jim
Back in the 70's when I was campaigning a 74 Corolla SR-5, I bought an air cleaner from a bone yard and hooked up three hoses from the front grille area for plenty of cool air. Each one of those hoses could move more volume than the "labyrinth" snorkel on the LS. This bottleneck has got to be close to A-1 Priority on the aftermarket "wish list".
Stanny1 - who is putting on his thinking cap as of now. Tomorrow is scheduled as "DX7" day.
It says at http://www.motortrend.com/future/index.html
that the LS will have:
2002 Linoln LS: Facelift, manual transmission.
Manual transmission on the V8?
I have also heard this on some other forums. Posters telling others to wait until 2002 to buy an LS due to the manual transmission.
Wes
http://www.autonews.com/html/main/fp/ls.htm
LINCOLN LS
The Lincoln LS sedan will be freshened in the 2002 model year and will be redesigned for the 2005 model year. The car currently is built on the rwd DEW platform.
However, planners may use the less expensive version of the platform, DEW Lite, for the next-generation LS, the 2003 Ford Mustang, the Australian Ford Falcon and a new large Ford sedan with the working name Fairlane.
In the next four years, the Premier Automotive Group wants to beef up the Lincoln brand in order to spur growth in global luxury sales. Currently, only the LS is deemed suitable for sale in Europe. Premier executives have confirmed that Lincoln will get the attention and investment required by a global high-end brand. Meanwhile, Mercury will tread water.
Lincoln is considering two new sedans as part of its growth strategy. One is a new range-topping Lincoln sedan larger than the LS. Derived from the DEW platform, the sedan could be developed around the 2004 or 2005 model year as a competitor to the Cadillac Seville.
Lincoln also is weighing a smaller DEW derivative for introduction possibly in the 2004 model year. The Lincoln model would be based on Jaguar’s new X400 sedan, which bows this fall to compete with smaller rivals such as the BMW 3 series.
Long story short...after many weeks in the shop spread over many visits, two service shops could not find the problem. Replaced items included a heater valve (twice), the head control uint (twice), and a sensor on the evaporator core.
Result: Ford/Lincoln has authorized a replacement vehicle. Im frustrated about the whole thing but at least Ford/Lincoln was proactive on the replacement vehicle decision so I must commend them on that.
I have posted here twice about this problem but NO ONE else seems to have or heard of this problem, apparently neither has Lincoln. So Im chalking it up to my bad luck this time and viewing it as an isolated incident. Cross your fingers for my replacement vehicle...another 2001 V8 sport similarly equipped...this time with Advance-track.
2. May '01 issue of Road & Track has their 44,000 mile long-term test update. Their LS8 Sport has averaged 18.0 mpg overall. R&T continues to like: "So far, with few problems--and zero dollars out of pocket to fix them when they do occur--the Lincoln LS is a winner."
3. BMW Haters Beware: May '01 issue of Consumer Reports has their test of BMW 330i, Lexus IS300, MB C320, and Volvo S60 2.4 turbo. All are automatics. CR thinks the 330i "embodies everything a sports sedan should be." 0-60 times:
BMW 330i 6.6 secs
MB C320 7.0 secs
Lx IS300 7.4 secs
Vol S60 8.0 secs
From their 10/99 report, CR's LS6 automatic went 0-60 in 10.2 secs.
CR did say nice things about LS. Rank its overall capability 2nd from their list of 9 sport sedans. Overall rating is a tick behind the 330i and tied with Lexus IS300. As CR puts it: "The Lincoln LS is another excellent car with a sporty character, but reliability problems keep us from recommending it."