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In addition to the total +8 peak HP and +7 peak torque from both improvements the curves really got a boost of up to +10 HP and +10 torque from 4600 to 4900 rpm.
Yeah it's GM, but I would hope some of you guys would find this interesting.
Thanks.
Can anyone tell me what is involved in replacing the broken stud so I can do it myself? Any help would be much appreciated.
As far as lug bolt removal goes, you need to press out the bolt from the rear of the brake hub. It doesn't take much to do it. A C-clamp or quick and dirty with a hammer will work. The bolt has "ribbings" near it's head to prevent it from turning while tightening the lug nut. Go to the parts dept and ask for a replacement lug bolt. You don't have to take apart/off the hub but on the rear you may have to work around the emergency brake system. I haven't gone that deep into my LS to give you specific advice. Unless you are a gorilla with a wrench, I'd imagine that that broken bolt was not forged or heat treated properly. Or maybe the car has been to Discount Tire!
Yes, my favorite tire store was 4 day and the guys there were very custom wheel oriented. They hand tightened my wheels. I think they were bought out by Discount because here in San Diego Discount took over some of the old 4 Day locations. Pity.
Thanks
I haven't participated in this forum in some time, but I see many of the original folks are still around. I met many of you in Irvine last year after driving out from Az. I'm now living in San Luis Obispo, CA where there are some great curvy back roads and fantastic weather. Sounds like everyone is still enjoying their LS's like me.
There's a nagging problem with my LS for which I've brought it in to service at least 5 times now in Arizona and in California. How many others have experienced the instrument cluster transparent plastic cover squeeking. In all my visits to get this fixed, they keep changing out parts, but the squeeking continues. Does anyone know of a Lincoln Retrofit based solution, or maybe there is a chemical solution, where a lubricant can be sprayed on to reduce the noise.
I'm so frustrated about this that I'm ready to start calling engineers that I met down in Irvine.
Thanks for any suggestions/guidance.
Also, Brian I took a look at your LLSOC page after much time away. Good information....great job as usual.
Hope everyone is well,
Brent
Any ideas? Would I still hear it if I had an inline 6!
Seriously, any thoughts would be appreciated.
Yeah, that was me. What a fun day that was!!
Brent
But the road is very much like it was in 1955. Go up 101 to San Lucas and catch 198 to Coalinga and then I-5. Really flat and I hit 110 mph one time breaking in my five speed Cressida after a trip to Monterey. Going the other way, you can always hit Solvang for a fun day. Near Santa Maria, you can catch 166 east for a good LS time. Compared to Arizona, you are going to be a lot cooler, and there are fun roads in three directions. Maybe I will see you at a car show. I go to at least two a year near SLO city. Compared to San Diego, your area is a car show orgy. Do you work near Poly?
What type of noise were you hearing. I have a 2001 LS and notice that my power steering pump/system is noise, especially during startup. Even when fully warmed up, I can hear the pump "working" when doing slow steering manuvers "aka backing out of garage." Not a clunk, just the pump being loud. Anyone else notice this or is this normal???? Thanks.
Al
Thanks again to our organizers, Brian and Debbie!
I realize the Lincoln guys don't have "entertain LS owners" as part of their job descriptions. Matter of fact I lost all track of time and wondered why the lights were off in some sections we visited, until I realized it was 5:30 on a Friday afternoon.
The access to the people and sights we were allowed to experience was beyond what I had ever expected. To do it again, I'd like to see more time like maybe two days, but then again you have to realize we're taking up these folks time.
Brian and Debbie - I don't know how you survived. Brian looked like he was about to pass out at 7:00 last night. I've organized functions before and your thousand and one unseen details are fully appreciated.
Thanks again to all. Nice to know there are still really nice people who care and take pride in what they do.
The noise sounded as if you took 2 small blocks of wood and tapped them together lighty, It wasn't real loud, but, it sure was annoying after a while. At first the noise was only occassional, but, then got to the point where it occured every time you turned the wheel to either extreme, the dealer didn't have a problem recreating the sound.
Now if only I wasnt so schizy about the economy (work for a chip-mfg equipment co, so I'm a little paranoid lately)...
Anyhow... looking forward to being part of the family soon... LLSOC... Mania... bitching about my windows falling... 8-)
I agree that Central Coast California has some of best back roads in the world.
Stanny, I certainly remember you and our discussion. I intend to use your front bumper ploy when I finally register in CA.
Mike, which silicon valley chip equipment company? I'm an ex-Strasbaugh, Speedfam, IPEC, Gasonics, Branson/IPC guy. Please e-mail me offline at sasojourner@aol.com
Hasn't anyone else experienced this squeaking in the dash? It's so severe that I can't imagine it not receiving much attention from Lincoln in the design process.
Brent
Whichever LS Sport model you get, they excel at handling curves. Everyday is like driving the roller coaster. The LLSOC website says "Wood - Leather - Adrenalin". It should be "G-Forces - Borla - Polks - Adrenalin".
Of course I would also ask about the RX-7 vs. the Getrag trannies and the lack of LSD.
Did you guys really meet with the engineers or were they really MBAs or accountants? I'd rather have one Attila the Hun who can make a decision than even one committee. At least I would know who should get fired. As it is, who gets the blame and who gets the credit? LM needs just one Zora Arkus-Duntov. Now off the soapbox as I don the Kevlar.
I hope you had a good time.
We all know that the car isn't perfect, but it is clear that it gets better with each model year. It is also clear that the LS people at Lincoln have a real passion for the car.
Does anybody have any experience with any of these tires.
We were escorted through the very heart of Lincoln land and saw, in detail, how the LS was designed, built, and tested. We were treated to many wonderful surprises like being able to "kick the tires" of the new LSE.
The dedication and enthusiasm of the LM folks was very evident at every stop.
Many Many Thanks to Brian and Debbie for their hard work in making this all happen. If anyone ever questions whether their LLSOC dues are worth the money ... let them go to Wixom!
All of our comments and complaints were addressed at one point or another by the very people who are working the issues.
Let no one on this board get the misguided impression that LM has abandoned this car. They have not. We have seen clear evidence that they are working hard on ways to improve this marque and that they DO LISTEN to all of our rants and raves. No car is perfect and we may not get everything we ever wish for, but if any American car can beat the pants off of the foreign competition, it is the LS. This is not only because of its superior design, but because of the dedicated, talented, and caring people who make it a reality.
I know. I've seen it myself. I went to Wixom.
Joe
The window mechanism's root cause failure is known. We were shown a unit,statistically when it can fail and where IE Texas, Florida etc where high temps contribute to it. Of note is that the shrapnel many see upon disassembly is not the cause of the failure but rather the effect from it.
Talking to the engineers, if they had their way we'd be driving 650 hp twin turbo, 8 speeds but they have many masters to please.
Trust me. Between the window and cooling fan module failures, these people have spent 80-90 hours a week in the plant and in some cases not even seen their families for 2 weeks at a time. It may not seem like it at times, but they are committed to this car and quality.
For those of you that missed Wixom or are not LLSOC members, let's just say that there are many things that we experienced that we wish we could share, but alas, we have committed to Lincoln our vow of silence.
What I took away, the tremendous complexity that went into bringing the LS to market and the dedication and hard work of Lincoln to do that, yet they continue on that. It was clear, they set the bar high for themselves coming out with the car and they know it, so know they are trying to make the car much better.
It was also clear that as others have stated, their passion is as strong as ours if not more. And they do listen, it's just that changes take time in such a complex process. After touring the factory, it's amazing they are able to implement changes (as many as they do daily) without stopping the lines. But from what I gather, if they continue to improve upon the current LS, I will be another return customer.
For a first go round, I would say that Licoln did an excellent job at keeping an open dialog with us and truly listening and responding with truthful and honest answers. I commend them for that as ethics is a tough act to play correctly, yet they did it with ease.
Brian, sorry to do this, but when's Mania III and what are we gonna do and ... Just kidding, but I am sure it will be even greater. Thanks again.
Re-engineering has got to be expensive. It makes you wonder if there were cost/time restraints in the initial design and testing that were extreme.
I for one like detailed explanations. This window mechanism is not rocket science.
I too have had this annoying squeak since day one.
It happens in cold weather only.
No one has been able to fix it.
By the way for those interested. after the call from Ford about my window
failures, because of Jim Rogers intervention,
I have heard nothing from anyone since.
Obviously the so called TSB for the window failure requiring both regulators to be
replaced is just a gimmick to make us think they are trying to fix the problem...
and in reality it is just a big publicity stunt which is as hollow as the paper it was
printed on.
The most frustrating part is they start to make the effort and I start to believe
they are really trying to do something and then silence..I for one am convinced
that Lincoln just isn't getting it.
Nice try but once again they failed to follow through.
Hope everyone enjoys the dog and pony show at the next event. I for one will
not be there.
I just couldn't take the double talk from Lincoln...
Ok I'm ready.. tell me how I need to find a new dealer.... call customer service....
give me a break... been there.. done that..
One unhappy camper
Kevin
The good news is that if the problem is truly heat related then it should only affect a portion of the LS' sold, so a recall to fix the problem once a permanent fix is found should be easier.
I also agree that it's too bad Lincoln doesn't have more influence and control over it's dealers. For 99% of Lincoln customers the dealer is the only contact they have.
thanks
Since window failures are not safety related, I wouldn't expect a recall. A new TSB will probably be released, but we didn't have time to discuss this part of the issue. I wouldn't be surprised if Lincoln replaced/repaired broken window regulators regardless of warranty period, but no discussion to that effect took place during the Wixom visit. I only say that because of the REAL committment Lincoln has toward the LS and it's customers as I heard and felt during the Mania 1 & 2 events I attended.
Kevin, as for your multiple failures, and short lived repairs, I have to conclude that your dealer must have some culpability here. If you want to be a "disgruntled" customer, you have a right to be. However, you do have options available to you that could improve your situation. No one should have to endure problems associated with window regulators, but, unfortunately, the LS does have this problem and we'll all have to deal with it. If you like the LS enough, the window problem is rather trivial (though annoying) and does not affect driveability or safety.
By the way, after everyone left the Q&A room to move on to the next venue, I briefly spoke with the Ford engineer one-on-one. He told me that FREQUENT use of the rear windows will MINIMIZE failures (contrary to what one would assume). Further, when the window is in the up/fully closed position, the system is at maximum stress/strain. If you park your car in a secure place, you may be well served to "crack" your window slightly to reduce the stress on the mechanism. Personally, I probably will not do that, but, I was told this will help minimize trouble.
I'll keep you all posted.
Since I haven't been around for a while, has anyone come out with a clear best of breed hand's free kit yet for LS cellular users?
Brent