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    pluskinpluskin Member Posts: 79
    brentwood, I was curious, since you seem to be a pretty big Jaguar XJ fan, and very knowledgeable as a customer and dealer. Let's say when I return to the US in a couple of years, I want to spend around $25K on a car (maybe $30K tops). If I were to get a used XJ for that kind of money (what would that be, like 3yrs old 60,000 miles?), what do you think I could really expect for an ownership experience, compared to buying a brand new car for $25K? Everyone seems to talk about how trouble free they can actually be and last practically forever but...this is something I would have to rely on for a daily driver. I would assume it would probably be a much higher level of maintenance I would have to do, and probably budget for costlier repairs. I don't know, would I be better off with a low mileage X-type?
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    dpl95xj6dpl95xj6 Member Posts: 7
    recently purchased a 95 xj6 in march of 01. Since then I have replaced the brake pads thou a reputable euro mechanic. in the last two weeks the brakes have begun squeaking when making slow stops or turns. the mechanic says there is no issue with the pads but the silicone backing was dried out. Thus the squeaking comes from the pad vibrating when making slow speed stops. has anyone else expereiced this problem? or the mechanic blowing smoke in my face?
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    keyrowkeyrow Member Posts: 214
    I am looking to purchase a second car and give my current Infiniti I30 to my daughter. I am considering replacing it with either a new I35, Lincoln LS or perhaps a used XJ8. While I really like the style of the Jag, not to mention the CLASS, what is the opinion of a used Jag vs. a new Infiniti (yes I know this is an apples to oranges comparison). What year Jag should I look at, condition, etc. I seek a purchase price of ~35K and any advise would be appreciated.
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    dpl95xj6dpl95xj6 Member Posts: 7
    Keyrow, i cannot tell you what year is better than the rest but it is my brief experience from dealing with one Jag dealer here in Phx to avoid pre 1995 models. if you go to EBAY motors or Yahoo auctions you will see several XJ6's or 8's on auction. this could give you a benchmark when shopping locally for any car.
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    im_brentwoodim_brentwood Member Posts: 4,883
    Well,

    First, they really are that good. At least comparable nowadays to anything else on the road. As far as pricing goes...

    Right now, if you shop hard, I think you can find a slightly miley XJ8, a '98 for about $25K. That's for an SWB with miles in the 40s-50s. It also helps a lot if you like Racing Green or Black Metallic (Anthracite) :) A Topaz or White one with 25-30K is gonna be in the low $30Ks.

    If you can swing $35K.. you can find a low mile 98 VDP now, prices on them have fallen a lot in the last few months. Depends what you want. I'd say that you can do pretty much anything in a 98 short of an XK or XJR. Depends on what you want really.

    98+s are a lot nicer, but not really any better. All of the 95+s are really that good. Dpends on what you want I suppose.

    Oh, as far as brakes go.. that's correct about the silicone. That being said, I've found that JAGUAR pads work the best.

    Bill
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    pablo_lpablo_l Member Posts: 491
    My '95 XJS convertible used to stubbornly squeak, too, while braking at low speeds. It was always serviced at the official (and overall excellent) Jaguar dealership, and it'd go away and then would come back with some wear and tear within a month or so. I was told by the Jaguar service folks that, due to the switcheroo to asbestos free brake pads, the slightest misalignment that invariably results from lots of city traffic will make the brakes squeak a little. If you use the brakes hard a few times, at more considerable speed, the squeaking will go away. Drive around in stop and go traffic, and it will come back.

    My new Jag doesn't have that slightly irritating issue. I got used to it in the XJS, but still it is kind of a letdown to drive up to the valet parking of a fashionable restaurant and stop with squaky brakes.... :-)
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    keyrowkeyrow Member Posts: 214
    I appreciate how quickly I the responses were posted to my query. My wife's preference is for BRG so I may be able to save a few $$$ if I can find a good one, hopefully a VDP. I am also lucky to have two Jaguar dealerships within 40 miles so I ought to have a nice selection of vehicles to look over this weekend, Sunday is Father's Day afterall! I'll let you know what I find.
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    fharrisfharris Member Posts: 2
    For $35K, you should be able to find a '98 (or maybe even a higher mileage '99 XJ8), particularly at a Jaguar dealer who will have those coming off their 2 and 3 year leases.

    My advice is to look at the XJ8L or VDP, because those have the longer wheelbase. I'm only 5'7", and I put my driver's seat all the way back (in my SWB '95 XJ6), reducing backseat legroom. The LWB adds 4-5" to backseat legroom.

    As for the Infiniti, it's comfortable, reliable, and IMHO, boring. Go for the Jaguar. Other than its great looks, class, and relative uniqueness, remember that Jaguar was 1st in '99, and 2nd in '01, in JD Power's Initial Quality Study. The '95+ Jaguars are very reliable cars, despite popular conception to the contrary.
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    im_brentwoodim_brentwood Member Posts: 4,883
    Umm...

    Unless it's a special order car (Good luck finding one) You'll need to go 96 or back to get a BRG VDP.

    So if it's gotta be BRG... XJ8 or XJ8L.

    However Jade Green is the prettiest :)) (Me and 97vdpguy have Jade VDPs)

    Let us know what ya find pricewise before you go pulling the trigger. In the past literally 90 days the market on these cars has fallen a lot... so be careful.

    Bill
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    arcoatesarcoates Member Posts: 221
    Bill- I am suprised to hear that Topaz is one of the more popular choices and BRG is not. When I think of a classic british car, it is always in BRG with a tan interior. Where do they list in terms of popularity? Mine is BRG with coffee interior and I think it is one of the best combos~ A.R.
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    sho3sho3 Member Posts: 28
    I also notice that pricing for XJ's has started to
    drop over the pass month. I'm waiting until I can
    get my garage built before I make my purchase. The
    local Ford Dealer has a low miles white 98 XJ8 VDP
    that they are asking $39,000 but the car has been sitting on their lot for five months now maybe I should go by an make an offer.
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    vusicvusic Member Posts: 53
    Just went through the dance. The folks in this forum know of what they speak (or write).
    I found a '99 Topaz/Ivory VDP with 34K for a tad north of $35K on e-bay. Had great help from the service managers in the region (Texas) on the history of the car and found out more than I could about the Jaguars on my local lot.
    I'm aware of a '99 VDP with about 18K on the odo that is on e-bay at a "buy it now" price of $38.5K (for price reference) from a (independent) upper-end dealer in Houston that has great comments on e-bay. If you see something you like, make sure to check out the comments from buyers who have done business with the seller on e-bay (Or you could bypass all of this and just buy the car from Bill).
    With Carfax you can see when a car was put in service to gauge the time left on the 50K Mile/4 Year warranty.
    Purchasing is a very personal decision and risk is involved on the internet (as well as your local lot) but the savings can be significant if the homework is done. Also, the Jaguar service network seems to be a quality operation which helps with that risk.
    There are also very good resources here.
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    mvargo1mvargo1 Member Posts: 298
    While a very traditional color for Jaguar, BRG just is not as popular as most of the lighter colors. Topaz and Platinum seem to be the most popular around here, and for some reason Amaranth (sp?)was a big deal for us, back when they still offered it. We still can't keep a used Amaranth car for more than about two weeks when we get one.
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    kevinmc1953kevinmc1953 Member Posts: 1
    I would appreciate an opinion on a 92 XJ6 with about 95K miles. Exterior is great and interior shows little wear. It is offered at $5500. What might I expect in terms of problems and repairs? Title is clean except for a incorrect odometer reading two years ago. It says 89K but can't be much above 120K in any event. I drive 2-3 days a month, 5K miles per year, so it will sit unused most of the time. Will that be better or worse?
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    vusicvusic Member Posts: 53
    I would defer to Bill on this one for real expertise but Jaguar was in better shape in '92 after Ford took over.
    It seems to be a decent price. The only real negative I've heard about early 90's XJ's is to stay away from the V-12 and not because it's not a sweet engine but that it is very costly when something does go wrong.
    As far as what specifically to look out for, hopefully someone more qualified will respond.
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    pablo_lpablo_l Member Posts: 491
    ...no doubt, Ford did help Jaguar. A lot. Is it still doing it, though? Is a sub-$30k X-type based on a Ford Mondeo platform truly what Jaguar needs going forward, or is it the path to sad brand dilution? Aren't Ford's huge current problems potential going to tax Jaguar a lot? I do not like the '03 XJ8 follow-up spyshots I see all that much, to be honest.
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    im_brentwoodim_brentwood Member Posts: 4,883
    BRG and Colors: Yup. BRG is a bad color to buy a Jag in as far as resale goes. Jaguar "nuts" (Such as us, and I mean that in a good way) love BRG.

    To most consumers, it's a non-metallic, flat, bland, dark color. These days, Light colors are in (Especially here in Florida) and people want a Silver, Topaz, Mistral, etc Jaguar. At least those are the colors that break the bank at the auction. Recently a friend of mine had to have an XJ8. Had like $22K to spend. I told him.. "Well... uhh.. you care if it's got some miles and is like Black on Black or British Racing Green?" He WANTED a BRG car. Ended up with a 62K mile one. Heck, I've seen 2 identical XJ8Ls run, both clean, no paintwork, One Topaz/Oatmeal, one BRG/Cashmere. $2,500 difference.

    I think Topaz is ugly myself, and BRG is a truly classic color. However, color is highly subjective and most people like Topaz, Silver, etc... andthink BRG is ugly.

    Oh well, its' a free country! :)

    Kevin, sounds like a deal. Is it an XJ6 (No sunroof) or a Sovereign?

    Make sure diff is quiet, no BAD oil leaks at base of distributor and that the AC works aside from everything else.

    If a Sovereign, VDP or VDP Majestic (SUPER Rare) make sure it's had the rear self-levellers converted...

    Watch for rust too, but its' a great car.

    Bill
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    97vdpguy97vdpguy Member Posts: 111
    Your profile doesn't say where in the USA you live. Here in Northern Virginia, Rosenthal Jaguar has about 20 used cars including another Jade Green VDP like mine, at prices starting around $15K. If that car has been sitting on the lot for 5 months, you've got to wonder why every other person passed it over. If you do go by, ask the service manager to see the service records. If the car was sold/serviced there, it's complete vehicle history will be on file. Also on file will be any work that particular dealership did to the car since they received it.

    I paid $36,000 out the door for my VDP. I added the 6-CD changer and the non-Jaguar warranty (5more years/100,000 miles) as part of that price.

    Good Luck!
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    rea98drea98d Member Posts: 982
    I just found out the X300 sedan had a V-12 engine in 1995. Is this the same V-12 that's been in Jags for decades? How does is compare, as far as reliability, to the X300's I6 or AJV8? Are they worth more or less than a 1995 I-6?
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    im_brentwoodim_brentwood Member Posts: 4,883
    XJ12s were made in 94, 95 and 96 for the US Market. 95-96 were X300s (Technically the 96 is an X330 as its' a LWB but I won't get technical :)

    They're actually worth a touch less than VDPs. The 94+ 6.0 Engine is very good, but it still reuires a fair bit of maintience, does NOT tolerate abuse (ESPECIALLY Overheating) and drinks premium unleaded like a drunken sailor.

    Scary when you saw that they cost new...

    Still the world's smoothest engine tho.

    Bill
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    sho3sho3 Member Posts: 28
    Well I went back to the Ford Dealer and
    the car is a white 98 XJ8 Vander Plas with
    26,000 miles on it they dropped the price from
    39,475 to 38,070 and the price is pretty firm
    according to the salesmen I spoke with. The car
    was purchase at a Dealer auction and the
    Dealership is Briarwood Ford in Saline Michigan.
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    arcoatesarcoates Member Posts: 221
    I recently got to have a little first hand look at the new X-Type. I was at a Polo charity event and one of the sponsors is a local Jaguar dealer, so he brought a VDP, 2 S-Types, 2 X-Types and 2 XK's. I was surprised to see how small the X-Type is. I know it is a compact, but the pics make it look like much bigger. Anyway, I think they tried to cram too much Jaguar into this car. It's handsome, but a touch overdone, and that's hard to do in a Jaguar! Even still, I think it still looks a little Mondeoish.

    The interior is very traditional jaguar in design, much more so than the S-Type. But the materials are not of high quality. Hard plastic on the centre console, hard black buttons and the leather was pitiful. That is NOT Connely leather. It felt like a leatherette, and I tried it both in the 2.5 and 3.0L with a sport package. That was the biggest dissapointment, but I guess I am comparing it to my XJ which is not a fair comparison. Otherwise, the wood is nice and the design is niceley executed.

    I'll have to drive one to see what I ultimately think, but I think they will have a home run on their hands. True Jag enthusiasts like ourselves will never accept it, but the people who Jaguar is looking for is not us. They already have us in the flagship, they are looking at a yuppy crowd. It think it will murder C-Class sales, but not so much BMW. The BMW is a true enthusiasts car, and even though the X-Type has a stick, it still isn't RWD and sport tuned. Anyway, it's a great little car for someone who has always wanted a jaguar and couldn't afford it. With a base price of $42,00 CDN for a 2.5, that is going to get a lot of people into one~ A.R.
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    mvargo1mvargo1 Member Posts: 298
    BMW may be a true enthusiests car, however a large number of BMW buyers are not necissarily buying the car for that reason.

    Try again on the leather. All Jaguars use connely leather, and unlike the BMW it is a standard feature. Of course there will be slighlty less expensive materials in a low $30,000 car than a low $60,000 car.

    I said this once before in another forum, but I'll say it again. The All of the X-types currently touring North America are Pre-prodution prototypes as such the fit, finish, and materials are not up to the standards of the final production cars.

    This car is not aimed at the XJ buyer, just like a, 7-series is not aimed at a 3-series buyer. The X-Type is aimed at the sport sedan buyer who wants the security of AWD and the heritage of Jaguar.
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    97vdpguy97vdpguy Member Posts: 111
    $38K for a '98VDP with low miles sounds good to me. The price on this website's used car page is around $43 for the same car in certified condition.

    The one you're looking at should have the Select Service warranty which will take you to 5 years/50,000 miles. This will give you two years of full Jaguar warranty coverage which should cover any glitches you find. VDP's are nice. You'll enjoy it.
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    im_brentwoodim_brentwood Member Posts: 4,883
    If it's white... and real nice.. with only 26K on it $38K is still top dollar IMHO.

    Remember, these babies have plummeted recently. IMHO, $35-36K is more in line if not certified.

    A Ford dealer also cannot sell as a Select Edition (Which is a 6yr/100K mile warranty from original sale date)

    Bill
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    ou814ou814 Member Posts: 12
    Well I am now the proud owner of a 1995 XJ6, Topaz/Oatmeal with 53,000 miles on it. The guy wouldn't go below $18,900 but it checked out great at the dealer. Only items it needs are rear brake pads, alignment (I don't notice it but the dealer mentioned the steering wheel doesn't sit perfectly straight), and ABS ground wires. So now my questions are:

    1) what type of brake pads to use? Metal Masters or Jaguar?

    2) what type of oil filters to use? Jaguar or any other brand?

    3) what type and weight of oil to use?

    4) where is a good place to get discounted genuine Jag parts?

    5) Is 91 octane gas mandatory or can I use 89 octance ethanol?

    Thanks.

    Rick.
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    vusicvusic Member Posts: 53
    '99 Black/Ivory VDP w/ 18K in Houston did not sell at $38.5K on e-bay. Could probably be bought for $37.5. www.expomotorcars.com (once again..for reference).
    If you love the VDP on the lot.....buy it. You will love the car. Make sure to check the on service date for remaining warranty (4 year) period.
    But I have to roll with Bill on this, your paying near the top.
    P.S. Congrats Rick!
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    im_brentwoodim_brentwood Member Posts: 4,883
    Congrats! Sounds like you got a real peach of a car.

    OK... the list:

    1) While I love Metal Masters... Go with Jag pads. Try www.jagbits.com or www.coventrywest.com for prices. Also, if you do them yourself, bleed the fluid when you push the piston back in the caliper. You do NOT want to mess-up that $1,500 ABS Valve body!

    2) Jag filters. Also Crosland and UNIPART filters are basically the same with different paint. Again, see above for some sources. They are, unfortunately, not cheap. Retail is roughly $12 each from the dealer.

    3) Castrol GTX. Its' factory fill, and well, British :) Even if its' probably made in Texas or something. Good stuff, and Jaguar seals like it. 10W30 works for you, 10W40 for me in a Florida summer. Double-check your owner's manual for temp ranges tho.

    4) A #1 :)

    5) 91. Run the premium. Unless you're in a high-alitude area (Which I doubt, from my info Omaha is only about 1,000 feet above sea level.) and 90 is the highest. Then 89 is OK. Otherwise, well... the knock sensors USUALLY work... But.. it is designed for premium. Keep the good stuff in it and she's gonna be happy.

    Be careful with the alignment, you may want to have the dealer do this provided they can properly pre-load the car. Jags need to be pre-loaded.. I.E. carefully weighted and such to be aligned.

    Good luck and congrats again! After a few thousand miles you'll never want to drive anything else.

    Bill
    95 Vanden Plas 127,000 beat-it-to-hell miles
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    im_brentwoodim_brentwood Member Posts: 4,883
    Exactly. Back in October... 97 VDPs with low miles were wholesaling for over $30K (Try $31-32K) and 97 XJ6s in the $26-27K range for real nice ones.

    Now? A 22K mile Red one recently did $22K at auction here (XJ6).

    But the market is down. However, good color and low miles are very very paramount on Jags. A Madeira or Amaranth 98 VDP with 50-60K will still struggle to do $24-25K on a GREAT day at the auction (Well, great for the seller). Meanwhile, $33K is what it'll take to buy a White, Topaz, or maybe Sapphire one in immaculate condition with super low miles.

    Jaguars are very "mileage sensitive" cars. A high mile one is often tough to unload. A Low mile one in a good color is always worth top dollar and very easy to sell.

    If that 99 Was Silver, White or Topaz it would have sold and It wouldnt have sold for $38,500. Black kills it.

    Bill
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    vusicvusic Member Posts: 53
    That's what my local guys were trying to sell me. They had picked up a '97 XJ-6 w/ 21K and were trying to sell it to me for a "rock bottom" $27.5K. They said they picked up the car from California in the fall and had a hard 28 into it.
    That's probably the situation for you, Sho3. Do with the info what you need but your dealership is firm because they're probably in the same boat.
    My local guys still have the car. They've run weekend ads for a month and a half at $27,995. I'm guessing the "flooring" is stacking up.
    I'll be pulling into their sevice center tomorrow with my wife's '99 VDP just delivered from Texas for 7.5k more.
    Not my fault they're not buying like Bill.
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    im_brentwoodim_brentwood Member Posts: 4,883
    That's the problem with used cars.

    They keep depreciating. I got burned BADLY by the Firestone thing last year or so.

    Right when the news hit I had just picked up 4 Expeditions at the sale... OUCH. Lost something like $9K just dumping them.

    Ya know. This business never ceases to amaze me. I've been doing this since 1996, for 5 years. And ya know.. I'm usually the youngest guy at the auction, I know I'm the youngest guy in the country (Family members of owners excluded) who owns a piece of the Franchise that I have.

    And it amazes me. I see these idiots. 10..15..20..30..years in this business who do flat--out RETARDED things. Like keep a car for 7 months.

    What are these guys THINKING? Right now, Market, IMHO, on that car is $26-27K Max as a certified car. But the problem is... People who want XJ6s want to buy them for cheap. Why? because there's lots of XJ8s advertised out there for under $30K.

    One thing thats' always stuck in my head as gospel is inventory turn. At my franchise stores we have a rule (Bill has a small part of each store but I am lord of all I survey in the used car dept). If we have a car in stock for 30 days and nobody is written up on it (enters negotations), to the auction/wholesaler/etc it goes. Gone. Done, bye bye! Get the heck off of my lot!

    After 45 days I dont care. Unless I have a customer standing in front of me ready to buy it, it goes to the next scheduled auction. Until then it has a price painted on the windsheild that is exactly $500 over cost on it.

    My guess is that they were holding out to whack someone for something like $33,995 on that car and got greedy. That or the car is a pig and they shouldn't have bought it to begin with. That or you find something like a Ford dealer with a big ego who has to have a 2 year old Jaguar on his lot. Fine if its' for a manager or dealer or dealer's wife to drive.. otherwise, poor management.

    We recently took in a 99 SL500 on trade against a Yukon Denali XL at the Pontiac/GMC store.That thing went to a wholesaler I know faster than I could blink. Why? If you were looking for a $60K used Mercedes, would ya stop at the Pontiac dealer? neither would I.

    And I wouldnt go down the street to the BMW Dealer and look for a nice Grand Am :)

    I blame those two guys... they're the ones dumb enough to be buried in those cars. And now that the cars are retailing for less than they wholesaled for a few months back...

    Oh well...

    Not my problem :) But just because theyre burined inthe cars... that doesnt mean you ought to pay for their mistakes IMO.

    Bill
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    97vdpguy97vdpguy Member Posts: 111
    Bill,

    Do you actually own a dealership in the traditional sense (building, employees, sales staff, etc), or are you a private dealer who buys and sells cars?

    You're extremely knowledgeable. I wish I had discovered this forum BEFORE I bought my car. But what a grand hobby you have! Not only do you get to drive great cars, you always have new ones to play with!

    What a country!
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    97vdpguy97vdpguy Member Posts: 111
    The new S-types have a rearview mirror with a compass display in the upper-left corner. I also see this kind of mirror advertised in Automobile Magazine.

    Can I retrofit this kind of mirror onto my 97 VDP?

    It's a novelty, but I do miss the compass display that my old Grand Cherokee used to have.
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    vusicvusic Member Posts: 53
    The real catch on that '97 was that it isn't even a certified "select" car.
    Business principles apply no matter what industry you're in......can you imagine some of these folks in the computer business?!?!?! OUCH!
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    im_brentwoodim_brentwood Member Posts: 4,883
    First,

    You didnt do badly on the VDP ya got, and sounds like you bought a creampuff.

    BTW, Where did you buy it from?

    As far as the mirror.. I have no idea for sure, but I'd imagine... heck.. I dunno.. ask the dealer :)

    Yes, I own percentages of 2 Stores in the southeast. a VW and a Pontiac-GMC store.
    It is fun, I love what I do! :)

    Bill
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    im_brentwoodim_brentwood Member Posts: 4,883
    LOL...

    Not even a Select? God I feel bad for them...I'd love to see those guys in the INVESTMENT Business! Ouch!

    Bill
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    97vdpguy97vdpguy Member Posts: 111
    Thanks, I'll check with the dealer on the mirror question.

    I live in Northern Virginia. I got the VDP at Rosenthal Jaguar in McLean. They typically have about 10-20 used Jags on the lot. They have another Jade '97 VDP advertized in last Sunday's paper. Didn't list the price though.

    The only thing I question about mine is that when I had it detailed two weeks ago, the person doing the detailing pointed out some very small "pimples" in the paint on the left-rear panel. After reading your article on spotting paintwork, I think I also see evidence of masking tape on the fender under the trunk lid. I'm now wondering if the car had some work done before I bought it. The panels seem to line up ok and the VIN numbers are intact.

    It came back clean on Carfax. The dealer won't tell me the extent of any service work it had prior to my purchase. It was previously sold and serviced by the same dealership. They just confirmed for me that it had the Select Warranty service inspection performed and the 30K mi service (twice!). Interesting that they would do the Select inspection procedure when they knew the car was beyond the service period (missed it by 4 months!). Does that mean they may have found, but not fixed items? Maybe I should go chat up my service manager some more..
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    im_brentwoodim_brentwood Member Posts: 4,883
    Well,

    Without seeing the car its' tough to tell. Ona Jag if the VIN tags are there then generally it means it hasnt been torqued.

    It might be touch-up...

    I used to run cars through the SE process een if I couldnt certify them (Too old.. too many miles). Actually, when any Jag we got in on trade ran through the shop it was always written as a select check. Maybe it's just the way their system works..

    Bill
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    sho3sho3 Member Posts: 28
    Well I have a Taurus SHO as a daily driver
    and with the newer Jaguars increase reliability
    a higher mileage car is probably the way I will
    go. Besides I really don't care for the color white, Titanium, Black and the various shades of red are the color I desire.
    Carfax will not always list a car repair history.
    When I purchase my SHO it had a clean carfax
    history. Ford fleet vehicle sold at auction,
    the car was in an accident and Ford instead
    of repairing the car sold it at an auction.
    The car was purchase by the owner of a body
    shop repaired and sold to me, who did not discover
    the repair history until later. Carfax is a good
    source of info but nothing takes the place
    of a good mechanic.
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    csmason1csmason1 Member Posts: 10
    Hello everyone. I recently purchased a 93 XJ40 via eBay Motors, and Bill (among others) has been very helpful w/ some of my car issues. (# 208, 275, et al.)

    As an update, I just had the left inner tie rod end replaced and the alignment done. The cabin vibration that was present before the work is now gone, as is the 1-2 inch play in the steering wheel, and I'm happy about that. However, the car now pulls noticeably to the left (to the point that I need to keep nudging the wheel right to avoid drifting), even after the alignment and balancing were done. There was very little pull before the work. And yes, I do have the dreaded wire wheels (but they look so nice!) Any ideas before I take it back to the shop? Are the wire wheels that tough to balance?

    On the audio front--I still haven't checked for the plug, Bill, but after looking at your message for the third time I finally realized that you said, "by the gas tank", while I was looking for a plug near the battery. Duhhhh...I'll find it today, I'm sure. I received the CD changer, and a friend promises to help me mount it above the battery.

    Thanks!

    Craig
    93 XJ40 81K
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    ou814ou814 Member Posts: 12
    Thanks for the info. Just need clarification on a couple of things. When you say bleed the brakes when I push the piston in are you meaning to open the bleeder valve and let it run out at the caliper instead of pushing it back through the system?

    Also, the reason I asked on the weight of oil is because the dealer said to use 10-30. He said if I use 10-40 I would ruin something with the valves (I think he said guides or seals or something like that, I just wasn't paying as much attention as I should have been). He said I would ruin the motor if I used 10-40. Have you heard of this?

    When you say "hard" miles, what exactly do you mean? High rpm's, a lot of stop and go?

    Lastly where are you located in Florida? I will be down there for the first week in July and if you are close to where I will be I thought it might be nice to meet you since you have been such a great help.

    Thanks,

    Rick (loving every minute of driving his new Jag).
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    im_brentwoodim_brentwood Member Posts: 4,883
    Ahhh...

    The shop didnt pre-load the suspension when they aligned the car and I bet the camber is all... (I cant say the word here)ed up. Toe VERY rarely causes a pull, it's camber which does, specifically cross-camber. You could have 3degrees of positive or negative at each front wheel and the car wouldnt pull. But, say you have 0 degrees negative at the left and 2 degrees negative at the right. That's 2 degrees of cross camber and the car will now pull (in this case almost violently) to the left.

    Have the alignment rechecked. And yes those bloody wires, in my experience, are tough to balance.

    I promise I'll grab a pic of what the plug looks like :)

    Bill
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    im_brentwoodim_brentwood Member Posts: 4,883
    Correct on the brake bleeding. Open the bleeder screw. In fact, if the fluid that comes out is dirty, I'd bleed the system.

    Oh, CASTROL GT/LMA BRAKE FLUID ONLY!!!! It works MUCH better with english rubber. :)

    And on XJ40s (Which use the AJ6 engine), 10W30 is really too light. In the X300s (Which use the updated AJ16 engine), they do like the lighter oils. 10W40 wont wreck your engine. I use it in the summertime here in Florida because.. well.. I run the hell out of the car and it's always 90+. Unless you're in a really hot climate like me, I think 10W30 is fine.

    I live in Orlando, when ya gonna be down here? I'd love to grab a snack or beer or something! Let me know! Best way to reach me is my cell.. 407-492-4854 I tend to be lazy with my e-mail :)

    As far as hard miles go.. I basically drive the heck out of the thing. Always full throttle, I drive like a complete maniac. I also like knocking the car sideways through corners and stuff. I really beat on it.. but.. it's fun :)

    The other day I took it to Miami and made it back from Aventura (225 miles I think) to Orlando in 3 hours even. Including a stop for gas :)))

    Bill
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    ou814ou814 Member Posts: 12
    I will be in Orlando from June 30 until July 4 and then I'm driving to Miami and Key West for a couple of days. I will definitely give you a call when I'm in town.

    Rick.
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    gmangrgmangr Member Posts: 4
    I have the opportunity to buy a 99 XJR with 28,000 miles with cd, car phone, etc, for $47,900. Any thoughts?
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    vusicvusic Member Posts: 53
    Sooooo we should call you............Wild Bill????
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    im_brentwoodim_brentwood Member Posts: 4,883
    Cool!

    I'll see ya then! You driving or flying? If flying... I know a great cheap car rental place in town.

    Also, you can rent Jags from Budget and Hertz if ya wanna splurge :)

    Bill
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    im_brentwoodim_brentwood Member Posts: 4,883
    Might be a good price might be a bad price.

    What color is it? And Where is it?

    Bill
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    im_brentwoodim_brentwood Member Posts: 4,883
    That works for me :)

    Bill
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    netranger4netranger4 Member Posts: 149
    Having taken the plant tour at Brown's Lane, Coventry in 1989, is this assembly plant where the new X series cars are assembled? At that time, the engine plant was in another area of Coventry over toward Meriden I believe. The bodies were trucked in from Pressed Steel Fisher in Castle Bromwich near Birmingham on BRG Leyland canvas covered trucks 3 or 4 at a time stored in a staging building and fed to the line as required. Brown's Lane is a very small plant which at that time was producing about 50 cars of all types per day on two shifts. Ford had a large plant in Bridgend, Wales which was building Escorts or Thames vans. Is this where the new X Series is being assembled?
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