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  • he8833he8833 Member Posts: 52
    Just so everyone knows. I have been shopping in the Northern IL Southern WI, I have been told via email the SE V6 is does have the 1200 dealer cash. I have been getting quotes around 20,000 including dest doc fee, not including TTL. I have something in the works for under 20,000. Will know tomorrow morning. If anyone wants the dealer info before then, email me

    Also Dennis or anyone could u comment on Gap Insurance? Is this something that everyone should have? Is their a precentage of much one fiances where it becomes an absolute no brainer?
  • cusafrcusafr Member Posts: 184
    So if it shows both 750 and 1200 for your car in your area, is the dealer getting both for a total of 1950?

    cusafr
  • olemedolemed Member Posts: 27
    I need some advice. I'm looking to get the I4 EX. This would be my first new car purchase. I'm a female and don't want to be hassled and led astray by the dealer so my brother is going to go with me to one of the local Honda dealers the middle of this week. I want to get the kinds of offers some of you here have been getting. With the total of $1950 incentives it makes it rather appealing to buy the EX. So according to my math the I4 EX with destination on top of invoice is 21,755 minus dealer holdback (478) minus the $1950 in incentives gives me $19,327. Is this where I should begin negotiations? In other words, should $19327 be my first offer? If not, what should it be? If they don't take it, what should my next offer be? Am I taking a chance by including holdback which is a sacred thing to dealers? Please provide advice on steps I should take. My brother used to sell used cars so he knows how the sales people are. We both learned a bit by reading Edmunds, though he's already quite familiar with invoice pricing. I'm located in between Boston and Providence so we may visit Herb Chambers or Boch Honda if anyone from this area is familiar with either of these dealerships.

    Also I am debating about jumping up to the EX-L I4 only because of the driver's power seat. I have a back that tends to cramp up and find the power seat a blessing in my current vehicle. I don't want leather but could learn to live with it (have it, it's nice but sometimes it's not) to get the power seat. I guess that's a decision I have to make between now and then.
  • jaxs1jaxs1 Member Posts: 2,697
    I don't see anyone confirming that the incentives are combined to equal $1950 on a single vehicle.

    Also isn't there already a power seat on the EX without leather, but it just isn't 8-way power like the EX-L?
    You can still manually adjust the seat of the EX and it has some power adjustment too.
    If you don't want leather and all the other extra stuff that comes on the EX-L, it is a lot of money just to get the power seat.
  • he8833he8833 Member Posts: 52
    I dont see anyone getting 1950 in rebates. I think its either 750 or 1200 depending on your location. My best advice would be to do a search using I4 EX and see what you come up with. Many of the posters disclose the area of the country they are in. Store this information in the back of your head and start shooting off emails to dealers in your area getting a hold of the internet coordinator, know what your willing to pay by reading posts others are disclosing what they paid, and ask them for their best price. You will know the ones to weed out immediately and start drilling down from their.
  • olemedolemed Member Posts: 27
    Well when I punched in my zip code it came up with two incentives listed on the EX, $750 AND $1200. The SE only came up with a $750 incentive. Scroll back a few pages because I posted this and others confirmed it was so. The $750 started May 1st and the $1200 started June 1st, both end in early July.
  • olemedolemed Member Posts: 27
    Cam someone confirm whether the EX has a power seat (without leather)? I only test drove the SE trim and it was manual. It appears that power seat (8 way) is only available on EX-L.
  • blufz1blufz1 Member Posts: 2,045
    The EX has lumbar support so you may be able to get comfy. Do get the more comfortable interior as you will be likely to keep a more comfortable car longer thus reducing your lifetime automobile costs. Holdback is not sacred. You starting point of invoice, less incentives, and less holdback is reasonable. Just round up the first offer to the next $100 so they don't do figure out what you are doing. The best buys sometimes take more than 1 day so start about the 25th hoping to get the car by the last day of the month. When you reach your limit for the day politely say "sorry that's all I can pay today." Excuse yourself and leave. They will telephone you the next day with a better deal, if they don't chase you down as you are getting into your car to leave. Hope this helps.
  • tallman1tallman1 Member Posts: 1,874
    Cam someone confirm whether the EX has a power seat (without leather)?

    The EX has a power HEIGHT adjustment, that's it. As someone else said, it also has the lumbar adjustment that the other models lack.

    The I4 EX-L has the 8-way power seat on the driver's side only. The leather seats are also heated. Of course, the EX-L does have a few more upgrades than just the seats. Check out the Honda Fact Sheet for more.
  • he8833he8833 Member Posts: 52
    So your telling you can combine both? Has a dealer actually confirmed this?
  • olemedolemed Member Posts: 27
    I haven't gotten confirmation from anyone. Edmunds lists both the $750 and $1200 which is why I'm confused.
  • olemedolemed Member Posts: 27
    OK, I just had one dealer quote me $20000 for the EX I4 over the phone. She said this included a $1200 'cash rebate' (her words). I think I could still get a better deal. What do you all think?
  • tsx200tsx200 Member Posts: 16
    I believe Honda cut the $1,200 incentives for VP, LX, and SE, but keep it for EX and all the V6 models. Because,I got the price quote for SE V6 is only $300 higher than the I4 SE AT. I might buy the SE V6 instead, because the V6 model come with VSC.
  • dwynnedwynne Member Posts: 4,018
    Anything is possible, but everything I have read says October - which is a month after most new cars debut. It would not surprise me to see the 08 come sooner to be more in line with other 08 cars. Maybe Honda is just playing it cagey to make sure they don't stop sales of 07s with folks waiting for the 08? The could be building them now and stockpiling them - and not shipping until they are nearly out of 07s?

    Do you know how to tell when many car dealers are lying to you? Their lips are moving :D

    Dennis
  • dwynnedwynne Member Posts: 4,018
    Also Dennis or anyone could u comment on Gap Insurance

    First off, you should do what you are comfortable with. You are the only one that knows the state of your finances, insurance coverage, and such.

    GAP coverage pays off your loan even if the amount is in excess of the retail value of your car. If you total your car of it is stolen, the insurance will want to pay off the retail value of the car. My insurance uses NADA "clean retail value" for the payoff. If the loss is your fault, they take off the deductible and write you a check for the balance. If a theft, you would likely get the whole amount. If the accident is someone else's fault, you are a lot more likely to be able to push for more money on the car and again would have no deductible.

    The key (to me) for deciding if I needed GAP or not is getting a great deal on the car and on the financing. If you are upside down on your trade, need a long (60-72 month) loan payoff, or did not get a good deal on the car - then you likely need GAP. If you don't have a trade or do not owe more than you get trade-in, don't finance 72 months, maybe pay some money down, and get a super low price on the new car - then you may not.

    For example, if I check an 06 LX V-6 Accord sedan (they did not have an SE V-6 last year) with 15k on it via the NADA price guide - it shows up as $21,225 clean retail. Invoice on a new SE V-6 is $21,754 then less $750 or maybe $1,200 incentive + TTL. Even with sales tax and nothing down, you would not be much over "clean retail" for a 1yr old LX.

    You have to look at the rate you pay off the car VS retail value. As you pay down the loan, the car is worth less retail so insurance would pay off less. Using the LX V-6 as an example, the NADA clean retail for an 05 with 30k is $18,325. So your 2 yr old SE V-6 should be worth more, but after 2 years of payments how much would you still owe?

    I would talk to your insurance agent about how they pay off and what number they use, look at your deductible, your financing, and your finances and decide for yourself. Also the cost of the GAP can be really high when purchased "under pressure" in the F&I office - so decide up front if you need it or not, and do not overpay.

    Dennis
  • dwynnedwynne Member Posts: 4,018
    got the price quote for SE V6 is only $300 higher than the I4 SE AT. I might buy the SE V6 instead, because the V6 model come with VSC

    As a percentage of FULL MSRP the V-6 does not hold value as well, but that should not bother you as you would be paying $300 more and not $1,700 more. Also the V-6 should always be worth more than the I4 retail of trade in - maybe not as much as the MSRP difference, but should be more than the $300 you have to pay.

    The EPA ratings for the V-6 are 20/29 VS 24/34 for the I4.

    With the V-6 you get: Vehicle Stability Assist, traction control, Brake Assist, 17" Alloy Wheels (16" on the I4). ON a FWD car VSA is not a must have, but it could be nice to have on a winter day - ditto traction control. Brake assist is not something high on my list, but again may come in handy. And the larger wheel would look better, but may cost more in replacement rubber.

    Long-term reliability of the I4 may be better.

    If you run the gas numbers - say you drove 15k per year and averaged 24 mpg in the V-6 and 28 mpg in the I4. At $3.25 per gallon that would be $2,031.25 and $1741.07 - a difference of $290.18 per year.

    Depending on your miles driven per year, commuting drive (bumper to bumper of freeway cruise), and driving style - I would say it would be a no-brainer to take the V-6 for $300 more money. They only way I would pass is if I drove a lot of crawling miles every year which would make the I-4 a LOT cheaper to operate. Otherwise, sign up for the V-6. At the end of 3 yrs with either car, the v-6 might return enough more on trade/sale to negate the extra you spent to buy and run it for those 3 years. If gas his $5 per gallon, hop in your time machine and go back and get the I4 ;)

    Dennis
  • olemedolemed Member Posts: 27
    This is fun. I'm getting all sorts of quotes for the EX I4 automatic. Quotes include destination.

    Dealer 1: 20,000
    Dealer 2: 20,420
    Dealer 3: 19,790

    I'm still waiting on about 3 more dealers to respond. Is it unrealistic to ask for 19,200 - 19,500 with destination? My brother thinks so, especially with it being so close to the end of the month.
  • jaxs1jaxs1 Member Posts: 2,697
    The V6 should be worth more at resale unless gas prices get really crazy at the time you are trying to resell it.
    Over the last 4 years, gas prices have climbed higher than anyone thought they would.
    5 years ago, most people assumed that gas would not be over $2 per gallon in 5 years.
    Imagine if gas prices where to climb much higher than most people assume they will today.
    $3 a gallon is not enough to stop people from buying the V6 models, but some dollar amount will be, especially for people trying to save money by shopping for used cars instead of new cars.
  • blufz1blufz1 Member Posts: 2,045
    Don't ask 'em tell. Tell 'em.
  • olemedolemed Member Posts: 27
    Gotcha. Gotta remember that as far as the dealer goes, I'm in charge, not them. Thanks for reminding me. I'm going to TELL them I want to pay 19,300.
  • blufz1blufz1 Member Posts: 2,045
    Tell them nicely. Good luck.
  • frankcjamesfrankcjames Member Posts: 26
    in my area (KC), the incentive is for $1200
  • he8833he8833 Member Posts: 52
    What did u get quoted for the SE V6, please include the dest fee and document fee or any other fee's and wether or not it included any add's on such as wheel locks, splash guards. Where are u located. FYI I was told by the delaer their was 1200 dealer money on the SE v6. No idea what it is for any other model... I'm very intrested in what you were offered. i have a deal on the table for under 20,000 including doc and dest fee, I find out tomorrow I will let u know
  • tsx200tsx200 Member Posts: 16
    Thanks he8833. I got $19,800 includes Destination and Handling but does not include any Accessories and TTL. I don't know how much do they charge for the dealer doc fee. I got this quote from Grace Honda and I am in N. California, San Francisco area.
  • andrefbrownandrefbrown Member Posts: 3
    Ok.. I am in MD, and obviously my wife I went about this process wrong, but I am going to put out here what we are working with so far and see what you guys say. Looking at the 07 EX-L 4cyl with leather and navi. I think the guy started at 27k ( which I now see is the avg MSRP) In doing his calculations, he entered something like $3700 in dealer discounts.. that included the $1200 incentive. Now I say we did this the wrong way because we did tell him we wanted the payment to be no more than 400.. so after him discounting the $3700 plus our 3k down... that is where our payment is. I just requested the additional quotes from here on Edmunds. Should I have him run through the numbers again with me? That also include the extended warranty.. which I wont get from them now unless I print out the prices from online and get them to match. I am open to any suggestions.. Thanks!!
  • hondahawkhondahawk Member Posts: 16
    I would start over and try not to give them any idea what you want the monthly payment to be. Start your negotiating by figuring out what the dealer paid for the car and work up from there. I'm under the impression that the dealer can ALWAYS do better. But once you tell them what you'll settle for per month, its in their favor.
  • hondahawkhondahawk Member Posts: 16
    My wife and I want to trade in our '05 Accord Coupe EX-L for a comparable sedan. I just can't stomach buying an old model Accord sedan right now. So, we are looking at the new Altima and the Camry, but I am too loyal to Hondas to not try to wait until the 08 Accord comes out this fall.

    Will it be worth the wait?
    Does anyone have any insight on new model year incentives with Honda?
    How accurate are those spy pictures?

    Thanks for any advice.
  • hondahawkhondahawk Member Posts: 16
    You can always get a better deal. How many of that model do they have in their inventory currently?
  • blufz1blufz1 Member Posts: 2,045
    The more often you trade cars, the less money you will have. What are you doing trading in a 2 model year old car?
  • olemedolemed Member Posts: 27
    I hear what you're saying but personally I would rather buy the last model year car than the new model year car, especially when first year cars tend to have some bugs that are later ironed out in the next revision of the car. Obviously Honda makes exceptional vehicles but it's just a paranoia I personally have.
  • adams05adams05 Member Posts: 9
    We're extremely pleased with our purchase price on the EX-L 4dr I4 AT w/ Navigation. Dealer included trunk tray, wheel locks, and mud guards.

    Base: 22, 522.85
    Destination: 598.00
    State Tire Fee: 5.00
    State Battery Fee: 1.50
    State Sales Tax: 1387.65
    County Sales Tax: 25.00
    Title: 120.00
    Tag Transfer: 40.00

    Total Out The Door: 24,700

    Thanks so much for sharing all of your advice and prices. We calculated the Triple Net on this model. Asked for quotes from at least 15 Florida dealers. Then had dealerships decide whether to beat the best price quotes.

    If you're in Florida definitely look at Honda of Ocala, Maroone Honda of Hollywood, Rick Case Honda and Ed Morse Honda. They gave us the really competitive quotes. Ocala's was the lowest.

    If you're in Tampa, we couldn't get any of the area dealerships to come near our OTD price. They all wanted in the 26K range. High dealer fees. They "couldn't believe" that we were getting 22.5 base price. They lost our potential business and we bought 90 miles north of Tampa.

    Also, in our experience, we regret giving our phone number to some of the dealers. They wouldn't quote via email once they had a phone number. They wanted to "talk" to us and "check" to make sure that they had our car information correct. They really wanted to haggle with us. Leaving off the phone number got us much better and lower quotes.

    Also, in our experience, when I put down my whole first name in the emails (my name is obviously that of a female) I got very high quotes. I shortened my name, dropping off a few letters on the end, in emails to other dealerships making it sound like a male name and prices dropped dramatically. Have no idea if these two are linked or not. Just thought I'd put it out there.

    Thanks again posters.
  • kilnkiln Member Posts: 41
    How did you get a doc fee of $0 in Florida? :surprise:
  • adams05adams05 Member Posts: 9
    Don't know. Some dealers had doc fees (like all of the Tampa and Orlando ones) and others didn't have doc fees (like the south Florida and Jacksonville dealers).
  • adams05adams05 Member Posts: 9
    I forgot to add that we did not use dealer financing.
  • dwynnedwynne Member Posts: 4,018
    You are correct, never play "payments" with a car dealer. Almost every time you will get burned on the deal.

    As was mentioned, get pre-approved for the car at your bank, credit union, or CapitalOne online. They you know your rate and can figure out what you can and can't afford based on buying the car at invoice (for example) and what it would be at $1,200 under (for example). Then you start at that low number, not at MSRP. Be sure the dealers includes the dealer fee and destination in the quotes. Once you have a number you can live with, price-wise, you double check you can live with the payment based on your pre-approved rate and term. If so, you go get the car. In the F&I office when they ask about financing tell them you are already approved - and tell them if they can offer you a lower rate on the same term, simple internest, no setup fees, no pre-pay penalty loan you will let them do the financing. If they can, double check the payment with their rate and sign. If they can't, use your pre-approved financing.

    Dennis
  • dwynnedwynne Member Posts: 4,018
    As was asked, what is wrong with your 05? The cheapest thing is always to keep it and keep driving it. Of course, it is a coupe and you are looking at a sedan - so maybe you need more room?

    Even Honda less reliability the first year of a re-do than the later years of the design. And that is not just the first year you have - it is worse throughout the entire life of the vehicle. Add in that right now Accord incentives are about as good as they ever have been - and that st(d)ealers will be gouging early birds on the new 08s and you would be "nuts" to wait for an 08. Unless you can wait months and months for sales to slow and inventories to build up to the point Honda puts dealer money on them again.

    So you have a proven design with maybe "historically" high incentives or a new, non-proven design that will cost you MSRP or more. Pretty easy choice for me.

    If you have to have a sedan now, either get a Civic with cheap financing (pretty roomy inside now) or get the 07 Accord with a big incentive. Then you can sell it or trade it down the road once the new design is proven and Honda has incentives on them.

    Dennis
  • olemedolemed Member Posts: 27
    While I'm working to get my own financing through my local credit union at 5.74% I am wondering if there are any current low APR Honda finance offers. I don't see any listed of Edmunds but I found some info on a website but fear it may be out dated. My guess is that it would either be a low apr or the use of the current incentives and not both. Anyone know?
  • dwynnedwynne Member Posts: 4,018
    There is none shown (for me) in Edmunds for Accords and the local dealers have not been running any ads - so that would not apply here at this time. Often over holiday weekends they do run special discount loan offers to drive more folks in to buy, so something could pop up by the weekend.

    There is a regional 2.9% - 4.9% deal on Civics right now.

    If they had a deal, it is unlikely to be less than 4.9% on a term of 48 months or more, which would barely beat your CU rate. If they did have a cheap rate, it would likely cancel out the $750 or $1,200 incentives anyway and you would be better off with your CU rate.

    You are doing the right thing, get your own money fixed before car shopping. If the dealer can beat it, fine, if not you have that to fall back on.

    Dennis
  • andrefbrownandrefbrown Member Posts: 3
    ok so far have two quotes for the 07 4cyl EX-L with nav

    quote 1: 23351
    quote 2: 23503

    Third dealership said let them know my lowest quote and they would be surprised if they could not give me a better deal.

    all include dealer fees and destination but not taxes, tags and registration. How does that that seem? And we are pursuing getting our financing from our credit union first.
  • slisstudentslisstudent Member Posts: 40
    One of the Accord incentives offered by Honda last month was a low APR.

    I just read a posting that Honda is doing away with some incentives this upcoming month. Although there was no mention of doing away with the dealer incentive on the Accord, Honda is "definitely" discontinuing the dealer incentive on the Ridgeline & Pilot as well as the low APR on the Civic.
  • briz2briz2 Member Posts: 42
    have received a quote for $24,600, $25,900, and $26,000.

    was told by local dealer that 4.9% for 60 mos. was available through Honda. not sure whether to believe this guy or not.

    Obviously TTL will effect OTD .. Im in WV and 5% sales tax is in effect. Title and License i think are around 300 (rough very rough guess).

    I was also told by the same local guy that the incentive money would be gone July 1. He also tried to play some "The financing won't be here after Wed. July 27th garbage.

    I love a car dealer....
  • mfinchmfinch Member Posts: 5
    I am looking for an Accord and it seemed that all dealers in my local area(Seattle) have added another "fee" to the sticker titled "market Adjustment" and it ranges from $1800 to $1900 in all trim levels!! Is this a realistic fee or are they trying to get that much more from us?? If not, how do you remove that during the price negotiations? I hate to have to pay the destination charge but have come to realize this is a fee that will not be negotiated. Any suggestions.....thanks.
  • dwynnedwynne Member Posts: 4,018
    Make sure your prices include auto transmission, destination charge, and any dealer doc or prep fees.

    Invoice on the I4 EX-L with NAV is $25,098 and this model for sure (for me) has the $1,200 incentive on it, so $23,898 after taking off the incentive. There may also be a $750 additional incentive on this model (hard to tell the way Edmunds shows them) and there is also just over $550 in holdback. So if you told them $23,148 and they do get both incentives, you could get the car for $1,950 under invoice and the dealer would still make 100% of his holdback. That sounds fair to me.

    One thing I would recommend is NOT getting the Nav system at all. Even at invoice, that is a ridiculously high priced option at $1,807 dealer cost. You are very unlikely to ever get much of your money back at sale or trade time, and you can buy a portable Garmin for a fraction of the cost. Heck, I just picked up the little i3 on clearance for $106 delivered! Yes the Honda system is integrated and does voice recognition, but you could get a top of the line Garmin for tons less money and it will likely do a better job of mapping than an OEM system - and the maps can be updated for just $75 per year. Every OEM system I have ever used has been inferior to all but the cheapest Garmins I have used. And you could move a portable from car to car to even motorcycle. Heck, if I add up every Garmin I own and GPS units I have purchased for my wife and kids it would not equal the invoice cost of a single OEM Honda Nav system - and that is a bunch of GPS units in a bunch of cars and bikes.

    Dennis
  • slisstudentslisstudent Member Posts: 40
    Just came across a post on another website....

    "The Following will be over on the 5th of July:

    Accord Lease Specials and Dealer Incentives….as well
    as Finance Cash."
  • dwynnedwynne Member Posts: 4,018
    Sometime they label those "A.D.M." or "additional dealer markup" - which is the same as price gouging. Hard to think ANY dealer anywhere could justify this on an 07 Accord these days.

    Anything can be negotiated, but if they think the cars are so hard to get/so valuable they are jacking the price up over MSRP then getting a sweet deal there is practically hopeless. Use the dealer locator on the Honda web page to expand your search to a place where they are want to deal and move cars. Going from $1,800 over MSRP to $750 or $1,200 under MSRP would pay for a LOT of flying/driving/car hauling to find a better deal.

    When *I* see these side stickers I usually just walk (run) away. That kind of dealer probably also has a huge doc fee for extra profit. Rather than pound a square peg into a round hole, I just seek out someone more agreeable. Less trouble and stress on all involved.

    Dennis
  • dwynnedwynne Member Posts: 4,018
    The discounted financing is usually regional, so may not show up for you and I when we check. Normally it would also be in place of the dealer money and almost without fail if you have good credit (which you have to have to get the cheap Honda rate) you can get a bank/CU/Capital One loan and take the money and come out better.

    The current Pilot deal, for example, is just like that. You can do about invoice and get 4.9% of pay 6.35% (or whatever) and get the truck for $2k under invoice. Running the numbers shows taking the $2k under is cheaper.

    Dennis
  • olemedolemed Member Posts: 27
    I'm really confused by Edmunds too. In my area (Boston) Edmunds is showing both the $750 and $1200 on the EX. Anyone who has gotten the EX for 1950 under invoice please confirm this. I want to start bargaining on Wednesday and right now I'm getting quotes in the range of 19,790 - 20,420!
  • dfwbuyerdfwbuyer Member Posts: 4
    First I'd like to say this forum helped me to determine the true market value. It made it easier for me to set my personal price expectations.

    What began as a search for an SE 5MT ended with a EX-L AT. My wife didn't care for the cloth material and the incentives made the move up practical. Worked with two dealerships - the first being a waste of my time, the second offered a fair internet quote that I accepted. Money may have been left on the table, but I'm happy.

    EX-L AT: 21,498.00
    6.25 tax: 1,343.63
    title/fees: 230.45
    OTD: 23,072.08

    Cash deal, no trade. Dealer add-ons - mud flaps, edge guards, wheel locks, trunk matt, tinted windows were all included in price.

    Between now and July 4th may be the best time to get a deal on an 07 Accord.....Good Luck with your purchase.
  • jaxs1jaxs1 Member Posts: 2,697
    It doesn't even make sense to add two amounts together. They would just post $1950 if that was what it was. There isn't anyone saying they got $1950, so there is likely some glitch in the posting or the amount varies based on something Edmunds failed to clarify.
  • blufz1blufz1 Member Posts: 2,045
    Which 2 dealers in Dallas and which did you buy from? Thanks
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