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  • skyrayskyray Member Posts: 156
    If money is so tight that a couple of grand matters, why are you buying new cars every three years? That's nuts.

    I drove my Ford Probe from 1989 through 2000 -- the entire time I was in my 20's and getting through my college debt, getting credit cards paid off, etc. I'd still be in debt if I'd had car payments that entire time.

    If you're that concerned about nickels and dimes, might I suggest buying a reliable car that will last you a decade or so and not constantly trading up? (Like, oh, say, a Mazda6? :-)
  • groovypippingroovypippin Member Posts: 264
    I posted these thoughts yesterday, but I made the mistake of including a naughty word, so I will try again.

    Trying to draw conclusions about the re-sale value of a car (one way or the other) that has been on the NA market for what? - 45 days? - strikes me as a little bit futile.

    I think its fair to look at the depreciation of the Mazda 626, but only if you're willing to recognize that the last generation 626 was a dog (I know, I used to sell them) and that the Mazda6 is a gigantic improvement. It's also wise to take into account the fact the final few 626's sold will be blown out the doors with huge discounts. That won't necesarily have an effect on the re-sale of the Mazda6 (I happen to think it will have no effect at all), but it will have a huge impact on the re-sale of 2002 Mazda 626's.

    I think its also important to note that other manufacturers have been able to increase re-sale value by improving their product - VW and Nissan are tw very good examples. I think it would be interesting, for example, to compare the re-sale value of the previous generation Altima with the current generation.

    No one can deny that Toyota and Honda have a well earned reputation for quality and reliablity that adds to the long-term value of their products. It is, however, silly to argue that theirs is some kind of magic formula that cannot be duplicated.

    It only takes time and a good product. As a Mazda fan, I am glad to see the company back on track offering great cars - with exciting stuff on the way.
  • dantodanto Member Posts: 24
    Even as I write this message there is a mazda6 hatch back and a wagon in the Flat Rock assembly plant getting ready to be painted for when we return from our holiday break. So the launch is almost on (for the hatch and wagon that is)...
  • robr2robr2 Member Posts: 8,805
    ...are those units for sale or are they test mules?

    Also, when did production of the sedan start in real volume in anticipation of their intro??
  • stretchsjestretchsje Member Posts: 700
    http://www.steve-kate.com/new_car.htm


    Thought some of you would like some pictures. I really like the 3 tones of the beige interior, but to each their own. The pictures don't do justice to the redfire color- it's awesome in person.


    Some thoughts at 200 miles that I didn't have at 8 miles-


    The 4cyl manual combo just seems faster and faster the more I drive it... and I'm hardly pushing the engine until it's broken-in.


    Ride is very firm, but road imperfections are absorbed well. Love the ride more and more.


    The speed sensitive volume control is neat, but the car is too quiet at speed for this to be useful. The car is very quiet unless revved- then the engine lets loose.


    Car heats up extremely quickly. Even quicker than my wife's Camry.


    The bad-


    Rear speakers suck- obviously not a two-way design. Almost all the sound comes from the front speakers, which sound better. With the bass and treble up (factory setting), it sounds tolerable. I have high audio standards though- their Bose system sounded awful to me too.


    I'm not as good at driving stick as I remembered.


    Every now and then I hear a rattle coming from the passenger's side. Haven't located it yet.


    The fusebox cover was in the armrest storage when I got the car.


    ---

    Now, if only someone could help me with alloy wheels. (link to another post)

  • the_big_hthe_big_h Member Posts: 1,583
    and tell you what, the 'uncladded' look of the 6 is starting to grow on me in a clean and tasteful way.

    do I see leather wrapped steering wheel and shift knob and e-brake handle???? very nice!
  • dantodanto Member Posts: 24
    They're pretty much test "mules" as you put it but remember, this is not like the launch of the 6 sedan where every part and every shop had to go through the testing phase before it was shipped. No, only a couple of the shops in the plant will be seriously effected like the stamping and the body shops. The hatch and the wagon are getting all the same parts as the sedan so this launch should be very quick.
  • dantodanto Member Posts: 24
    All I know is that for 15 years we pretty much had the same parts for the engine and the underbody for the 626 (yea they changed the engine harness and a couple of other things on it but it was essentially the same vehicle. I guarantee you that the Mazda6 is a totally new beast! Almost everything is totally new (I say almost because we did carry over a couple of screws and bolts but that's about it). From bumper to bumper, this thing is radically different from any of the other cars that we've built at Flat Rock (Probe, MX6, 626 and Cougar). What fascinated me the most was the double wishbone suspension and how it all assembles together.
  • glideslopesglideslopes Member Posts: 431
    Nice to hear from the folks who build this ground breaking vehicle.

    It must be something to go home knowing you have built a vehicle with the hottest "Parts" in it's class!

    Mark. : )
  • anonymouspostsanonymousposts Member Posts: 3,802
    "Hopefully by then it will have proven itself to be reliable and we will be able to judge the popularity to see if buying a new one is a financially wise decision."

    Maybe I should've spelled it out for you mazda6 but my post was referring to how prudent of a financial decision a Mazda 6 would be i.e, is it going to hold it's value better than a spaghetti strainer holds water.
  • boxfanboxfan Member Posts: 180
    Thanks for the info again. You rock. I don't guess they let you take pictures inside the plant...
  • dantodanto Member Posts: 24
    It is very satisfying knowing that we are building Mazda's "flagship" car. But post #5426 by "anonymousposts" is right, only time will tell whether we have a true hit or not. The response so far has been outstanding and very encouraging. However, our competitors have some very nice cars of their own and we respect very much what Honda, Toyota, Nissan and VW have done with their lineups. I personally applaud what Nissan has done with their Altima. It was not very attractive in its priorlife time but they have come a long way. Call me a little biased, but I still think the best looking Sedan out on the road is the Mazda6.
  • dantodanto Member Posts: 24
    Actually they do let us take pictures in the plant. But there is one slight problem, we are not allowed to take pictures of the cars themselves.
  • rodlcwrodlcw Member Posts: 45
    I just purchased a fully loaded REDFIRE 6 s.
    Smaller city with one dealer and they had a couple Steel Grey , one an i and the other an s that I drove. Then Saturday they got this redfire one, and I like the color better than the Steel Grey, so I asked for a price. Better than what I figured, so I now have it and Mazda has my at the end of Lease 99 Mill S. Because of the Sport pkg, my interior is BLACK, and I was hoping for a beige, but I am starting to get use to it. Great pictures of your car and I would have liked the beige.
    YES, the rear speakers are not that great. I did find I could use the fade and move more sound to the rear speakers.

    A bit to get use to the auto-manual shift, but it will be fun to play with and useful at times. I went to automatic first time in my life with the 99 Millenia and like the auto as I got tired of shifting, even though those cars were sure fun to drive. I have had three 626 coupes, 3 MX-6's and the Millenia since 1980.

    I did not hear any noise when test driving, but just a little while ago, I think I heard something on the passenger side too. I will have to start listening for it.
  • rodlcwrodlcw Member Posts: 45
    I am going to love this car after the Millenia S.
    And I did like that car. There are other good cars out there for competition, but I know Mazda has to be pleased with the 6 and the other vendors are back on the drawing board to see what they can do to keep up.
  • blueguydotcomblueguydotcom Member Posts: 6,249
    Also as I mentioned in my first test drive, the dealer I was at was a bottom line no haggle dealer and his price was $500 below MSRP. Today 10 days later his price is $1000 below MSRP for the 4-cylinder auto and $1500 below MSRP for the 6-cylinder auto. Throw in the Graduate student $500 discount and I can get a fully loaded 6s with 5-speed manual for ~$23,500 with no haggling.

    This is at the Mazda dealership off the 8 in Mission Valley right? Wow! I could use the grad discount too so that'd put the car at a touch over 22.5k loaded nicely. Oh my, the logical side of my brain is winning now...
  • rodlcwrodlcw Member Posts: 45
    Would you know if they should be WARM, or just lukewarm? My Millenia, I just turned in off of a lease would get nice and WARM and I would feel it radiate up my lower back, and after a short distance I would even have to turn them off for awhile. I did have to have the heaters replaced as the originals failed after two years. And am I right in that these are either ON or OFF and no "hold" heat.
  • voochvooch Member Posts: 92
    Buying a new car isn't a prudent financial decision to begin with. And I believe johnclineii mentioned something wrt the 6 about depreciation that pretty much nailed it on the head, although I don't know which post it was.

    Anonymous, after buying new 3 cars in 4 years, making a "financial decision" regarding depreciation is pretty much a moot point, no? I think the question is, do you want it or not. I think I'm just reiterating someone else's post though.

    I personally am not worried too much about a car depreciating. They all do and the customer is going to get the butt end of the deal regardless, its only a matter of degree(which seems to be most people's hangup). 500 or 1000 bucks, who cares when you spent $20k+ new. If a couple grand is going to actually break you, you aren't in the market of buying a brand new $20k+ car or $20k anything. Buying a new car is just about one of the worst "financial decisions" you can make. Which is why if I can *afford* to buy a new car, I will buy the one I *like* the most, period.

    You spend $20k on a car because you want to, not because you need to. If I needed a car for practical purposes only , I'd buy a low price used car with reliability as priority #1 - because I'd keep it forever if I was worried about the money.

    Again, if you are worried about losing a couple grand to depreciation, buy used and stop looking at the 6 or any new cars =)
  • dantodanto Member Posts: 24
    stretchsje and rodlcw, would you please keep me updated on that rattle. I really would like to take this info to our Quality Control group because that is something they are supposed to check for on every 6! They take them on a special "squeak and rattle" track to weed out these annoyances. You can email me: dannto@hotmail.com

    By the way nice pix and congratulations on your beautiful car!
  • groovypippingroovypippin Member Posts: 264
    Mazda is bringing a concept vehicle to Detroit, but is being unusually secretive about what it plans to unveil.

    This is from Autoweek.com's Detroit preview section:

    MAZDA
    Mazda is being secretive about the concept vehicle it will unveil and won't reveal its shape or size.

    Any thoughts on what this might be? Tarted up Mazda3, new derivation of the Mazda9, new 2 door rotary concept, or maybe the Mazdaspeed M6?
  • dantodanto Member Posts: 24
    rodlcw, I am sorry but I don't have that information off hand but I will try to get it for you soon!
  • ameen6ameen6 Member Posts: 16
    Yes, it is the Mazda dealership off the 8 in Mission Valley (John Hine mazda). I'm very happy with that dealership so far. I don't know what to think of their bottom line price dropping $1,000 in 10 days however. Anyway for the San Diego area Edmunds and cars direct are both showing a price of about ~$1,100 dollars below MSRP, so I think the John Hine bottom line price of ~$1,500 below MSRP is a good one.

    I plan to make my order in a couple of weeks; I'll keep you posted.

    The fully loaded Gray Mazda6s 5 speed MT the we test drove has already been sold.
  • anonymouspostsanonymousposts Member Posts: 3,802
    Cars are a depreciating asset. No doubt about that. However, some are less of a complete waste of money that others. We trade cars frequently and usually there are compelling reasons along with great deals to encourage us to do so.
  • stretchsjestretchsje Member Posts: 700
    I'll let you know as soon as I can pinpoint the rattle. I originally thought it was the fake cassette plastic insert rattling, but it seems to be coming from farther on the passenger's side. It sounds like a blown or improperly mounted speaker- but if it was a blown speaker, it would get worse with volume and it does not. As I said, sometimes the noise even goes away (and I keep playing the same song). My guess is that something isn't screwed down properly, but I can't figure out what.

    Perhaps I inadvertantly have a piece of plastic sitting in the passenger's door pocket that is shaking. Since I couldn't reproduce the noise this afternoon when I was investigating, I couldn't pinpoint it's location.

    I'll let you know.

    Hey- I posted this earlier, but maybe you have a more accurate answer. I have the ULEV emissions package, but am in a state where fuel sulfer levels aren't regulated to the required low level. Could this potentially damage my catalytic converters?
  • yugoboyyugoboy Member Posts: 161
    "Even as I write this message there is a mazda6 hatch back and a wagon in the Flat Rock assembly plant getting ready to be painted for when we return from our holiday break. So the launch is almost on (for the hatch and wagon that is)... "


    Are you pulling my chain, is production of that incredible wagon just around the corner!!! I will be the first in line if the wagon is offered with the manual stick and 220hp, talk about bang for your buck!!!!!


    http://www.avtoin.com/zeneva2002/slike/Mazda%206%20SW.jpg


    I will take mine in silver please!!!!

  • cconger2cconger2 Member Posts: 8
    I am looking for the 6s with Auto, Leather, Sport Pack, Comf pack, Mroof etc. I have talked with 5 dealers around Charlotte, NC and there is only 2 here with the sport pack, both the wrong color for me or missing an option.

    Has anyone seen these in the Carolinas? I need to find one!!

    Also, Emunds shows the 6 selling for about $1k below MSRP, is this realistic for any of you that have already purchased one?
  • blueguydotcomblueguydotcom Member Posts: 6,249
    Yes, it is the Mazda dealership off the 8 in Mission Valley (John Hine mazda). I'm very happy with that dealership so far. I don't know what to think of their bottom line price dropping $1,000 in 10 days however. Anyway for the San Diego area Edmunds and cars direct are both showing a price of about ~$1,100 dollars below MSRP, so I think the John Hine bottom line price of ~$1,500 below MSRP is a good one.

    My sister and mother both purchased cars from Hine, so I'm confident that if I do get a 6 I'll get a fair shake with them. Good people there from my experience.
  • the_big_hthe_big_h Member Posts: 1,583
    here are some eye candy I shot at the DC auto show this past weekend


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    aren't they sexy??? :-D

  • the_big_hthe_big_h Member Posts: 1,583
    are available HERE for your viewing pleasure :-)
  • zaimonzaimon Member Posts: 124
    Have you tried the Mazda Web site's vehicle locator? It mostly shows what dealers are expecting to have in stock (so some of the models you see may not have arrived yet - that may be a good thing). You can find it here. Just change the Zip code once you get to step 3 to see your local dealers.




    Tonight, I tagged along with big bro who's looking for a new car in lieu of local floods totalling his old Honda Accord. We went to the local Subaru dealership (he's shopping the WRX's) which also happens to be a Mazda dealership. They had 3 M6's in stock, all automatic 6i's: a "stripped" Speed Yellow - no sport package(!) - Steel Grey and Silver, both with all options. I have to admit that the yellow looked incredibly attractive and I'm guessing one without a sport package would be fairly rare to encounter. Looking through the brochure I probably would be satisfied with any of the colors the 6 is being offered in (First choice remains the Black). I'm surprised about the Sepang Green, I got the impression from Mazda's Web site that the car was actually green, not a "slightly green" shade of silver!


    Nonetheless, I test drove the loaded Steel Grey 6i . Some observations:

    • Why would Mazda decontent such a miniscule feature like the 6i's HVAC controls? This makes no sense to me. Put them 6s controls back in!

    • Acceleration from the i4 on the 6i is just a tad more than adequate IMO. It was probably more the sound of the engine I didn't like as much as how well it pushed the car to highway speed, I enjoy (or am probably used to) the deeper throaty sound the Duratec in my Tribute. Engine noise while accelerating from the i4 was louder than expected, so much more that I noticed engine noise more in the 6 than while my brother was driving the WRX. Hopefully the 6s will offer a better acoustic and "accelerative" alternative.

    • Don't get me wrong with this one. It's just probably since I've been driving my Tribute for the last 2 years and know how to push it, or maybe I had some jitters on going on an evening test drive in the rain (an older woman drove her civic into a ditch on the test-drive route)... I feel right now my Tribute handles as well, if not better than the 6i. Maybe, it's b/c the Tribute is louder (meaning the 6 is too quiet) giving me a more connected feeling to the ground, or the Pirelli Scorpions on the Tribute (that are a blast to have - compared to the Firestones that were there). Keep in mind the Tribute isn't a shabby handler - it outpaced the last gen Accord through a slalom according to a Car and Driver article. The 6 did feel great to drive (taught, direct), I just didn't notice any significant improvement over the car I have now. Give me a couple hours to get to know the 6 and I'm sure I'll feel differently.

    • There was barely any cabin noise. However, the ride over bumps and thumps could be fixed. At one point we were driving over a pretty rough road in the back country. The suspension gave way when driving over a pot hole or two, accompanied by a THUD!

    • Seating felt great! Very supportive compared to the wood benches in the WRX and even an L.L. Bean Subaru Legacy.


    Green Valley Mazda in Fairfield (where I test drove) is marking down their 6i's by $1100. The fully loaded 6iAuto was going for $23888 (this is with CA emissions). Our saleslady said they had sold only one out of four 6's in the past month... OUCH... There have been many many test drives, but no biters. Current pricing was holiday pricing, however.


    When I buy this fall I'll most likely go with my brother's dealership - Royal Motors in SF - I just found out he's eligible for S-plan pricing! Add the graduate incentive and I'll go home very happy.


    Thank god our saleswoman at Green Valley allowed us to take the cars wherever we wished! We had just come from the local Honda Dealership (Vacaville Honda/Mazda) and "test rode" in a Pilot, the salesman wouldn't even let us get behind the wheel! Not to mention some lies and hogwash he threw at us about marking-up, model-info, etc... Sheesh, and this was same dealership where I bought my Tribute two years ago. BTW, they had 2 Red 6's in stock (an S ans I both with sport and leather), they said they've had them both for three weeks. I didn't quite feel like testing the 6 there given our Pilot experience.

  • altersysaltersys Member Posts: 56
    Do you or anyone else know if those wheels in the pic of the wagon are 18"ers offered by Mazda USA now, or in the future? if so, I know what I'll want to be on my '6s!

    thanks,
    -Alt
  • 9inarow9inarow Member Posts: 7
    I was in the market for a new set of wheels, and considered the Mazda 6. But after my initial attention faded, I found several reasons why I lost interest:

    - Price: base $20K, and with some options can go as high as $24K. That's extremely high for a sedan of this nature. Comparable Altimas are running for $18K. Alittle more money and we're in the Lexus IS and Infinity G35 range.
    - Styling: the car looks too plastic. Without looking at the name tag, this car would simply be confused with every other Honda on the road. Nothing special about the styling, and it doesn't stand out in a crowd.
    - Performance: with a limited number of MT's, how can a car built for driving enthusiasts not offer the MT in wider distribution???

    Overall, this car is nothing special. It won't change Mazda's lack of Zoom-Zoom, and is really another 626 in Honda clothing. For the price, there are unlimited numbers of other vehicles which are more attractive and offer more value.

    Just my 2 cents.
  • gee35coupegee35coupe Member Posts: 3,387
    Let the flames begin. But I agree about the MT and the base price points.
  • the_big_hthe_big_h Member Posts: 1,583
    9inarow has not driven one, because all he did is talk what's on the paper and not how it drives.

    you 6 owners and people that have driven it, please chime in at anytime
  • kenokakenoka Member Posts: 218
    Should be the MPS 6 aka the MazdaSpeed 6. Following that should come the announcement that it will go into production for North America.

    9inarow - Thanks for the input. Buh-bye.
  • fowler3fowler3 Member Posts: 1,919
    Your gallery link doesn't load. :P

    Thanks for the other pix though.

    fowler3
  • the_big_hthe_big_h Member Posts: 1,583
    guess you have to register at that forum to view the gallery.

    I'll upload it to somewhere else and repost a link here :-)
  • mazda6smazda6s Member Posts: 1,901
    Thanks for the laugh. If it wasn't for the comment on the (lack of) availability of the MT, I would have thought you were just posting flame bait.
  • karld1karld1 Member Posts: 22
    OK
    First you have to drive Altima 2.5 and MAZDA 6 2.3 and than you can try to compare.
    $18K Altima is nowhere near in any aspect to $24K fully loaded 3.0 Mazda6 that you are talking about.
    Your comments are wrong, and not objective.
    For about $20K you can get a wonderfully equipped Mazda6 (5 speed, leather, 17" wheels/tires - sport package, Bose stereo, full power....)
    And 2.3 L Duratec engine will be very easy to get more power from in the near future (Turbo can pump out 250hp out of it without any sweat)
    If you did look at base econo-equipped Mazda6 with 16" wheels - there you go, it's not as presentable as much better equipped $20-22K version. Sport option adds a lot to it's interior and exterior looks as well as handling for under $1K.
    Look at it again, I don't think we are both looking at (driving?) the same car.
  • gee35coupegee35coupe Member Posts: 3,387
    For about $20K you can get a wonderfully equipped Mazda6 (5 speed, leather, 17" wheels/tires - sport package, Bose stereo, full power....)

    That's not a 20K 6 that one's 22K.
  • the_big_hthe_big_h Member Posts: 1,583
    the 2.3 FOUR CYLINDER in the 6i is NOT Duratec, it's called MZI or something.

    the 3.0L V6 in the 6s uses the Duratec block.
  • the_big_hthe_big_h Member Posts: 1,583
    try this link to the photo album of my pics from the DC auto show


    http://community.webshots.com/album/59133111bvgmEU

  • abpelch1abpelch1 Member Posts: 48
    I called up my Mazda dealer on a very slow TUESDAY AFTERNOON to see if they had a 6 on the lot yet. I talked with a sales lady on the phone, who was already asking about what I had to trade. When I got to the dealership,she passed me off to another salesman, who then passed me off to a so-called "Mazda 6 expert", since he said he knew nothing about the 6.

    I told the "expert" I wanted to check out the car to see how it was & if I fit (I'm 6'4", 220lbs) & that I was interested in a 6i. All they had was 2 6s's, one in the showroom & one on the lot.

    He showed me NO features of the car, & after sitting in it for about 60 seconds & fiddling with things he says "I'm a straight-shooter, are you going to buy a car today?" Well, first, this isn't the model I want. Second, I haven't driven one. Third, my wife isn't here with me. Fourth, I already told him that I was comparing models & wasn't committing until after my wife gives birth in Feb.

    He was very stand-offish after that. I poked around the car for another 30sec. & He says "lets go into the showroom to get a brochure". We get there, he looks in a corner & says they're out of brochures. I say "I just work around the corner & I can stop by later to get one". He says "ok" & walks away! No "good-bye", no "here's my card", no NOTHING!

    I know it's probably just that particular dealership (Courtesy Mazda in Vegas), but the whole experience has soured me on this car. I have never felt more pissed off leaving a dealership. Even the greaseball sharks at Dodge were better.

    From what I saw of the car, it is very nicely built & looks great. Didn't test drive one as you can tell. I really didn't fit in it too well anyways, my head was scraping the roof.
  • karld1karld1 Member Posts: 22
    the 2.3liter four in Mazda6 is called Duratec HE the latest and very modern, light, economical and performance oriented designed engine out of Ford/Mazda camp.
    In Europe this family of engines starts at 1.8, 2.0, 2.3.
    Mondeo is using it for over a year now, and it's getting great press for it.
    20K will get you Mazda6 2.3 , 5 speed
    ALL POWER
    ABS/TRACTION CONTROL
    BOSE AUDIOPHILE SOUND SYSTEM
    Includes 7 speaker Bose sound system with amplifier, subwoofer and 6-disc in-dash CD changer
    LEATHER
    SPORT PACKAGE ( Sport Package
    Includes 17" alloy wheels, 215/50 R17 V-rated tires (supercedes 16" wheels and tires when ordered with option 2I4 Premium Package), clear-lens halogen fog lights, dual exhaust with oval shaped bright tips, sculpted front air dam and rear apron, side sill extensions, rear spoiler with integrated brake light, black interior trim, Optitron gauges with red illumination, sport type instrument panel inserts and titanium colored power window switch panels.

    And if you can wait a few months after Mazda6 introduction dealers will throw in few more options into this price (side bags/curtains $360, heated seats/mirrors $180)

    You'll get a lot of car for $20K with great warranty and great aftermarket potential for it's engine (soon to be used in Mazda3 and next Focus)
  • boxfanboxfan Member Posts: 180
    "Courtesy" Mazda? Bwa ha ha.
  • abpelch1abpelch1 Member Posts: 48
    Courtesy Mazda. Bit of an oxymoron, huh?
  • barrysobarryso Member Posts: 66
    Which engine will you get with the Mazda6 and why?

    I've driven the 4 cyl and the 6 cyl Mazda6 with the stick. The six is quieter and has more power but it requires you to hold back. You can't push it without breaking the law or tailing every other car on the road. But it sure is sweet.

    The four can be wound out in most gears without worrying about running over other cars or getting tickets.

    Which one is going to be more fun over the life of the car in real world driving?
  • mazda6smazda6s Member Posts: 1,901
    People who like the Mazda6 are not all high income earners, but we are willing to take more depreciation than we would if we bought an Accord.

    However, your prediction for disaster is based on flawed assumptions. Here's why:
    -You can't really compare auction prices with street prices, on any model. That's absurd. If people knew what dealers really pay for cars at auction they would be shocked.
    -626 resale and residual values may or may not predict the values for the Mazda6. Leasing companies are not in business to lose money. They have to cover their butts so they will use the 626 residuals for the 6 until they have more data.
    -Based on the early reviews of the 6 (not to mention the C&D 10 Best award), it will be way more popular than the 626. This is likely to translate to higher used values for the 6 than the 626.
  • mazda6smazda6s Member Posts: 1,901
    "Which one is going to be more fun over the life of the car in real world driving?"

    The one you buy. :)

    But seriously, I plan to get the 4. The car I have now can outrun most other cars on the road, but doing so would severely impact my insurance rates. I do have fun, every time some bozo in an Integra or Civic with a spoiler and one of those "farting" mufflers blows by me, because I have the pleasure of knowing that if I wanted to race them they wouldn't have a chance. But, I don't want to race them (on the street anyway), so the only thing I get from that unused power is the knowledge that I could beat them if I wanted to. Hmmm, what's that worth?
  • kenokakenoka Member Posts: 218
    is called the MZR 2.3 The MZR engine series (1.8, 2.0, and 2.3) were developed wholly by Mazda (with Ford money) and are part of Mazda being named as Ford's "center of excellence" for small engines.
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