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Mazda RX-8

I am trying to decide whether to wait for the new rx8 or buy a car now. I hear the RX8 will have around 250 hp, what kind of 0-60 stats do you think this will yield? My guess the best would be arounf 5.5.

What about fuel economy, from what I saw the last of the rx7s got about 21 mpg (17/25) and Mazda is saying they will significantly improve on this. What do you think this car will get?

How was the rear window vision in the old rx7s?

How have the gear shifts been in mazdas?


  • I forgot to ask before about the RX8 expected cost. I'm thinking about 30K, is this reasonable?

    How has been the reliability of the rx7 line?
  • And I'd like to know if those awesome open-mesh design seats seen in the EVOLV concept will be sold on the production model?
  • should answer a few questions and also has a bunch of nice pics.$Mazda@$RX-8c.html

    When i first heard about the RX8 coming out, i was thrilled. I new it would be a winner, with all the recent hype over japanese rockets. What amazes me most is how they squeeze so much power out of a normally asperate, low displacement engine- honda s200 watch out!! The suicide doors are badazz, the funky interior is awesome, and 17 inch brakes are insane. If i had 30K right now and was a college student, guess what i'd be buying...
  • SPYDER98SPYDER98 Posts: 239
    "If i had 30K right now and was a college student, guess what i'd be buying..."

    Hopefully an education..
  • I love the rotary engine since I got an experience of it in a RX-7.... I would guess that the mpg probably be 2mpg higher for both city and highway. That would be significant enough for me to trade in my car!
  • revdrluvrevdrluv Posts: 417
    "If i had 30k and was a college student".... huh?

    I geuss you meant "...was not..."
  • college students should be driving beaters anyway.... sheeesss....
  • rx7r1rx7r1 Posts: 17
    the Rx8 that is...I'll hold on to my 3rd Gen Rx7 R1 thank you very much!
  • I'm looking forward to the new RX-8. But the market is going to be tough when it comes out. There will be allot of vehicles to choose from including: 350Z, G35, WRX STi, Evo VII just to name a few. If Mazda can keep the weight and price down, they might have a chance. Mazda proved they could make a superior handling car in the MP-3. If they can work that magic again, I will certainly consider the RX-8. I like the idea of a light, fantastic handling car that can seat 4 real size people! The question is can Mazda do it without pricing themselves out of the market.
  • ambullambull Posts: 255
    I read in Car and Driver (I believe) that the weight Mazda is shooting for is 2900 pounds, achieved by use of aluminum hood, trunk and rear doors. Also, the HP is just under 250 (247 or 248). And the price is $30,000 or less. (They really had to do that, in my opinion, to match the 350Z.) So it all sounds good, if it really turns out that way!
  • it would be great if those sportscars could keep their prices down, but GM couldn't do it with the latest generation of Corvette.... we all hope that prices won't skyrocket pass 40k.
  • Has anyone heard anything about the performance numbers of this vehicle as well as what the weight of the final production version? The only way Mazda can hope to compete with the 350Z or the WRX STi is to keep the weight as low as possible. I think it might be a good idea for Mazda to offer a turbo version as a performance package. If the normal version will produce close to 250 hp, then a turbo version should crank out 300 hp without too much difficulty. Even a light-pressure turbo might be an interesting way to increase low end torque without putting too much stress on the engine.
  • boomn29boomn29 Posts: 189

    "With a new side-intake and side-exhaust layout, the engine produces 250 horsepower and 162 lb-ft of torque."

    No performance numbers listed though...

  • cyranno99cyranno99 Posts: 419
    I think that they are trying to get the performance number in line with the previous generation RX-7. That would be just fine with me.
  • babyloubabylou Posts: 31
    The rumour is the RX8 will come in at 2700 lbs. I would be amazed if this is true. I bet it's about 3,100 lbs.
  • cyranno99cyranno99 Posts: 419
    well, the RX-7 is about 2800 lbs. They supposedly use very light seats among other things. So I would say that the RX-8 could easily be under 3000 lbs.
  • ambullambull Posts: 255
    No way will the RX-8 weigh 3100 lbs. They are using aluminum for the hood, trunk and rear doors plus other weight-saving items. I'd bet it will be under 2800 lbs.
  • cyranno99cyranno99 Posts: 419
    I would definitely get it if it can be under 2800 lbs.. that would be very tossable on the track or around the curves.
  • sphinx99sphinx99 Posts: 776
    Will 2800lbs be enough weight reduction? The new Z is 3200lbs but has a big advantage in hp and a whopping advantage in torque over the RX-8. At 2800lbs the RX-8 would have a great top end but I'm not sure it would a whole lot faster than even an RSX-S off the line (which weighs the same/little less and will have similar torque numbers).

    I'm not sure how competitive the RX-8 can be if it stays normally aspirated. Help me understand, why are they junking the turbo again? As someone else said, this would be killer with a low-boost turbo. Without it, the RX-8 stands to be an overpriced, underperforming vehicle by the time it actually comes to market.
  • ambullambull Posts: 255
    My understanding of why there will be no turbo is that the RX-7 turbos heated things up to such an extent that the apex seals needed replacing at about 100k miles. This replacement is an overhaul of the engine and thus quite expensive.
    With the larger side intake and exhaust valves, the renesis produces as much hp as its predecessor, but as you point out, not much torque. This engine has very little displacement and torque is a function of displacement. So it'll perform like the S2000, I expect; maybe a little better.
    Somebody who knows RX-7s better than I can correct me if I'm wrong.
  • revdrluvrevdrluv Posts: 417
    Better reliability, much better gas mileage what else? The trick this car is pulling is competing with 3 series more than with sport coupes. It will be more grown up than a sport coupe, still have all the performance (and more with rwd) but have more room inside than a 3 series sedan. What more do you need! This is not (as mazda has said also) the next rx-7. It is not meant to be the same car. But with 250hp from a what 1.6-1.8 liter naturally aspirated engine, that is pretty remarkable if you ask me.

    Not too many Americans these days are willing to buy a car that is completely impractical like most sports cars are (except those who have more than one car, but you can't count on them too much for sales or you will probably fall short). Mazda is betting that (excuse my cliche) those of us who want to have our cake and eat it too will go for a car like this. I sure would.
  • cyranno99cyranno99 Posts: 419
    Yup, the current RX-7 could not meet the US emission standard and it was getting too pricey. The Renesis has about as much horsepower as the older RX-7 with twin turbo. I wouldn't be surprise if the RX-8 will be as fast as the old RX-7. However, the next generation RX-7 might make the Corvette Z06 sweat.

    Right, I think that the RX-7 would be impractical for me in the future and the RX-8 would make it competitive with the sports sedans, even better perhaps.
  • ambullambull Posts: 255
    I just did some research on the 1993 RX-7. It had 255 hp and 217 ft lbs of torque and could do 0-60 in 4.9 sec. There is no way the RX-8 will be able to do that with 50 ft lbs less torque. The best we could hope for is 6 seconds, but the handling should be great and the utility pretty good.
    I read an article in the paper before Christmas which said the RX-8 had a lot more room in it for 6-footers than the 350Z does, both in the front and back. This is as important to me as the sheer performance.
    Also, the RX-7 base price was $31,300, which is more than the RX-8's ten years later - pretty good.
  • cyranno99cyranno99 Posts: 419
    Well, your 0-60 number is lower than the average. I've seen around 5.2 seconds. Anyway, a sub 6 second range would be right for the RX-8. I am sure that I won't be disappointed by the handling and the room. One thing that I do want is HID. It would make a sportscar look sharp at night.

    Just from memory... I think that only the third generation RX-7 used turbo. Turbo was the only problem when my brother had his car.
  • ambullambull Posts: 255
    My 0-60 time came from early newspaper reviews which were all the same time which probably means they were using a number given out by Mazda rather than testing it themselves. Real-world times may have been a little longer. I'm pretty sure the second generation had a turbo as an option, but it wasn't the same as the sequential turbos introduced for 1993.
  • cyranno99cyranno99 Posts: 419
    Yup, it seems that the pre-production numbers are usually more optimistic. Still, the 3rd generation was leaps and bounds better than the previous generations in every aspect. I'll let others go crazy over the Z while I wait for the RX-8 or the RX-7 (less likely to buy the RX-7 though).
  • There was a second gen turbo.

    where do you get your price projection? I swear I've been seeing numbers in the low thirties.
  • ambullambull Posts: 255
    Okay, the rumors are flying on this one. Mazda said it will be less than $37,000, but others have said around $30,000 to as low as $25,000. I'm hoping for under $30,000 but I obviously don't know.
    Did anyone catch exactly when this thing will be released? I've heard after the 6 intro, so that would make it next year sometime?
  • cyranno99cyranno99 Posts: 419
    I read in automobile mag that the price is supposed to be under 29k as well. I forgot if they mentioned it in the streaming video on their web site though. It should be released near the end of next year???
  • audia8qaudia8q Posts: 3,138
    april 2003 is the most updated sale date.

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