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* McDavid: "Internet Special" $200 off. The sales guy mysteriousely left the dealership right before I bought but I still got my $200 off.
* Rusty Wallis: I had bought from them before but they would not match the $200 off. I gave them the chance but they balked, so I walked.
* Vandergriff: Was most convenient to home but they were at invoice PLUS some $500 window etching. I told them that I spend $500 on options that I want, not them. BUT, they have a demo to drive if you haven't driven one. (perk)
* Lute Riley: From what I've heard they have them in stock if you want to pay for the options they've added.
Good Luck.
After did my extensive research, I have just ordered my 02 Ody (EX-L-RES) Friday through a smaller Honda dealer in Charlotte, NC. I am a very lucky one since they only have one allocation in this model with the color my wife likes too (Mesa Beige). I paid $500, and the total to pay is $30,800 on delivery. From what he said, this is Sept allocation, the Ody will be delivered this month but no later than Oct.
For a long time, I've been looking for a car with the best combination of SUV/VAN. As most would agree, 2001 Ody is the best minivan, and 2001 ACURA MDX is the best SUV. I like the 2001 Ody, but it lacks the horse power, entertainment system, and leather of MDX's luxury. I like 2001 ACURA MDX, but it doesn't have the roomy and nice features of Ody's convenience.
This 2002 Ody put the best combination of both 2001 Ody and 2001 MDX. The new 2002 added MDX's 240-hp 3.5 liter SOHC 24-valve V-6 engine, it also added MDX's 5-speed automatic transmission. So this 2002 Ody has the nice 2001 Ody look (interior and exterior) but with MDX's strong body, don't even mention leather seats and DVD entertainment system, besides, we're not paying MDX's $38,000+ price.
If you're looking for a vehicle puts the best of both world, 2002 Ody is the car you want to own.
Regards,
http://www.acuramdx.org/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=2774&perpage=15&pagenumber=4
Odessey EX-L:
tag9 Aug 31, 2001 8:24pm
We are very content owners of a 1999 Odyssey EX, and were already on the
waiting list for a 2002 EX-L. However, having just had a major problem with
our local Honda dealer (they had agreed to a price of $19,500 on the
trade-in on the deal sheet, but when we went to deliver the car, tried to
drop that down $3000!) we are now feeling stung and thinking maybe we should
consider alternatives which would be more readily available.
Does anyone have any suggestions as to other vehicles (vans or suv's) which
would give a similar functionality - room for at least six with some luggage
space still, fold-into-the-floor third seat, preferably power doors if a
van... Japanese or European models, please - I may get my wife to swallow
the idea of getting something other than a Honda for the first time in
years, but I am sure I would never get her in an American vehicle.
Thanks for your advice.
David
I would go to a large book store and get Consumer Reports Soft cover book on 2001 mini vans and SUV's.
For the 2001 models The Toyota Sienna LE was almost as highly rated as the 2001 Odyssey EX, but that was before the 2002 Odyssey, with so many improvements. Next comes the Chrysler Town & Country LX with its twin the Dodge Grand Caravan Sport rated the same. These 4 vehicles are the only ones rated excellent.
For SUV's, although it was not the top rated model, the completely re designed 2002 Ford Explorer got a very good rating, in one of the latest issues of CR, available at your library. It is also reasonable priced and I believe comes with a fold down rear seat. CR rates other SUV's higher, but they cost quite a bit more then the Explorer.
I would not get a SUV and CR will tell you why, in the book above. They are just not as practical as a mini van unless you drive off road a lot. Their ownership costs are significantly higher also.
With a 1999 mini van already, which would be only 3 years old, I would be willing to wait even for a 2003 Odyssey. You are going to have your new car for many years, probably. So why not get the best mini van you can. Also you get another year out of your 1999 and it will not depreciate that much more from 3 years to 4 years. So you will probably actually save some significant money by getting another year out of your current vehicle. I kept my last car 150,000 miles and my brother got another 20,000 out of it, and that was an American Buick. So cars last a long time.
The post on the Canadian Odysseys in Scottsdale: The $25,900 you quoted -- which Ody was that for? 2001, 2002, LX, EX? My husband is (understandably) leery about what kind of a deal this might be, so if that's a 2001 LX price, I'm not sure I'd even check it out. But... if it's a 2002 EX-L or something similar, might be worth a look. (And was that Canadian or US $? j/k)
vikki26
p.s. do you know what doc fees are running in AZ right now? how negotiable are they?
When I'm negotiating for a vehicle, I'll tell them up front that I will not pay for an item called "Doc Fee" or anything like it. I tell them to hide it somewhere, because I'm looking at the drive out cost; and I don't want to see that item in the final driveoutr price. When they leave it in and refuse to remove it, I walk. *Every* single time this has happened they've eventually removed it. One saleman even chased me out into the street as I was driving away to tell me that, if I'd come back, they'd remove it. They did. I bought.
Drew
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The New York Times Automobile section has an article about hot and once hot cars. According to the author, the Odyssey is approaching a "full boil" along with the SC430, T-bird, MDX and Highlander.
Some choice quotes from M. Maynard's article dated August 31, 2001 arranged so as to not violate copyright laws:
"Interest remains high in the Honda Odyssey minivan, still a suburban status symbol... Odyssey sales are actually down slightly this year -- not for lack of buyer interest, but because of a production quandary...Honda has had to cut Odyssey production to build more MDX's...the Odyssey wait is generally about three weeks nationwide...Supplies of the Odyssey should ease up late this year, when Honda opens a factory in Alabama that will be devoted to the minivan."
Don't take what the article says as gospel because I believe the collective information on this board is terrific, however, I believe that many would agree that the information in the article is in the general neighborhood of many felt opinions here.
The article http://www.nytimes.com/2001/08/31/automobiles/31CARS.html
2002 EX MSRP 26,750 (Silver)
2002 EX with Leather add $1,500 (total 28,250)
440 standard destination charge
$1,000 deposit (with written statement that it is refundable at anytime -- this is high because I believe the avg. deposit on this board is $500).
$25 doc fee.
delivery in November (but salesperson admitted that are very conservative so as not disappoint - may come in October).
The question I have -- is that already the dealer is making a great profit when you buy the car at MSRP and then when you start adding leather they are charging you the list price as well (adding further to the dealer's profit).
Has anybody been able to get anything in return from their dealer (especially those in the Washington DC area)? For example - 2yrs. of free oil changes, mud guards, roof rack cross bars?
Or should I just be happy that I am not paying anything more than MSRP?
I would be interested in hearing your responses.
On my 2000 Odyssey I payed MSRP, but the dealer did throw in one thing, free oil changes for life. He probably figures he makes out on this, as he gets to charge for and do all the other services which are not free.
100,000 / 7500 = 14 times oil change, if change oil every 3,750 miles then ~ 27 times. Oil change dealer charges $19.95 x 14= $279. or $ 19.95 x 27= $538.65.
Oil change is free but how about those so called 15,000 miles or 30,000 mile service which they will charge you an arm and a leg to make up for the free oil change.
Anyway a free oil change is free. I will take any free one they offer and watch out those 15K or 30K service.
The website is www.anyautosonline.com. They sell Canadian Odyssey EX's 2001's where they change speedo to miles, add third party warranty because the Honda one will be void, and engine block heater.
They say they will have 2002's soon and I think Canadian dealers are getting them very soon. The price over the phone is $25,900 but I suggest driving over and haggling. Act like the warranty is a big deal etc. Canadian invoice is about $20,500 so they have lots of negotiating room even after their costs.
If you can't buy outside of the Phoenix area then these guys will save you money but you have tradeoffs.
Oh and doc fees are pure BS. I always say I am negotiating total price and the dealer can categorize whatever line items they want as long as it only adds up to my negotiated price. The only good thing about the doc fee category is that sales tax is not applied to it. I remember negotiating a total price and when the invoice came it added up alright but the line items were ridiculous (doc fee, ADM, etc.) I think it allows the dealer to get away with saying, "Everyone pays doc fees!" Pure BS.
With respect to MSRP, consider the following. My neighbor sees 3 2002 Yukon Denali XLs sitting on the lot at the local GMC dealer. He walks in and is quoted straight MSRP, not one penny less. Now, we're talking Prrrrrrrrofit! Sticker on this beast is over $50k while invoice is $44k PLUS the holdback is a full 3% (compared to Honda's 2%). Given the Ody's features, resale value, et al, I'd say we're getting a much better deal paying MSRP for the 02 Ody than he did for his 02 XL.
I would have like to have more but I asked several other dealers and this was the best.
http://www.kbb.com/kb/ki.dll/kw.kc.ud?kbb;918502&;t&35&3;13&
INKY
INKY
Rockycow
In this case, the problem was that my Odyssey is a Canadian one, legally imported and all that of course. I had pointed that out to the dealer quite explicitly (in writing) and they subsequently appraised the car at $19,500 and wrote up a deal sheet with that figure. Then, when I went to deliver the car to them, they suddenly insisted that they had not appraised it with it being a Canadian car in mind (which meant that they thought it had 80,000 miles!) and now they could only offer $16,000. With little time on our hands before we head back to Europe, we can't run around to a bunch of other dealers looking to set up a new deal.
Well, we checked in with our lawyer, who indicated that the deal sheet should hold up in magistrate's court, and recommended that we simply unload the car at a loss to a non-Honda dealer - CarMax or whoever, and then file against the Honda dealer for the damages (the difference between the $19,500 and whatever we get - which is looking like it's going to be $17,350).
By the way, for any of you in the Charlotte area who may be interested, the dealer in question, from whom we had bought several cars in the past but will of course no longer be patronizing, is Honda Cars of Rock Hill - part of the Hendrick monopoly in this region.
What I really don't understand is why any dealer would pull this sort of thing with a loyal customer, knowing that in the process they create any enemy for life? What about the money they would be making off the sale of the 2002 Odyssey, much less the profits from all the cars in the future that they now won't be selling us?
By the way, it is interesting the difference between Edmunds' values and KBB. To me, the Edmunds' values seem more realistic - the difference between retail and trade-in on KBB is humongous. But then I have been having trouble getting a handle on these values in the real world. When we had the '99 at CarMax yesterday to get it appraised, they had a '00 LX with 30K miles sitting there marked with a "no haggle" price of $25,500. Isn't that more than the original sticker price? Will someone actually pay that? Should I really be selling this vehicle privately, despite all the hassle?
As far as Hendrick, this car dealer is your worst nightmare. Don't order anything from them.
Drew
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In '00, only EX had TCS and driver seat height adjustment (left brain reason) plus w/ all the other toys (keyless remote and steering wheel radio controls a favorite - right brain reasoning) I went w/ the EX.
Here's my advice; if
1. you want the van for the long, long haul (7+ years)
2. you can spare the toys and saving $1 - 2k is not a bad thing for you (some folks NEED to spend as much as they can);
then get the LX w/ addition of keyless remote.
I like having the EX toys and the doors, but when I look at my other vehicle (a 1994 model I hope to keep at least until 2004) then think about my Odyssey - I am confident my Odyssey will start, drive, stop, and play music just fine, but I wonder what will happen to those EX doors in 2008...
What Odyssey does have going for it is how well most complaints seem to have been fielded by Honda. Honda really did well by me in the end when I had a problem they could not fix.
Good luck.
But what also caught my eye is I'd like to know what that white REAR PWR button is for?