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Pat
BTW, I'm a Canadian (from Toronto) transplant that currently lives in the Central Florida area. Small world...
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Pat
Are the people with 3 small children going to put them in the 3rd row or will you do 3 carseats across the 2nd row?
I am planning to do 3 across the 2nd row.
So do people think the x plan will discount the xc90 about $4000?
Karen
Never know when it might come in handy.
2020 Acura RDX tech SH-AWD, 2023 Maverick hybrid Lariat luxury package.
I have two young kids and one on the way. The three rows of seats should work well.
http://www.forbes.com/2002/08/19/0819feat.html
Haven't been to NC, my wife has been dying to go to the Biltmore Estate and to check out the furniture stores. Hopefully, one of these days when the Twins are a bit older.
If I had 3 kids in child seats, I would put them all across the 2nd row.
stickguy, you might have to inquire with your HR department as there is a code that you need to get the PIN.
Has anyone else been advised regarding A plan. Ladbrandy what were the terms for your X plan deposit?
Also I was told that the navigation system will not be available till atleast spring, I plan to wait for that.
Also night vision will be in next model year. Some problem with the manufacturer.
reichowjr, the DVD system will be almost $2000.00! Wow, that's a lot of moola. I guess it would take advantage of the Dolby Pro Logic II but $2000, I think it's way too much. I might have to settle for a portable DVD system instead. Hopefully, the Alpine system would allow Dolby Digital Inputs, optical, if possible.
obiwan, night vision would be great, i think. this feature might make the need for HIDs not as critical, but still desirable.
I'm still miffed that one cannot get HIDs without the Climate Package.
For example, the X-Plan price for Volvo products is A-Plan price + 2%. Hope that helps.
Same goes for the X-Plan, right now, dealers are saying that they may honor the X-Plan price in early 2003. Their stories could change once the XC90 starts selling out.
The review mentions Transmissions are still in transition. At launch, the diesel and 210bhp petrol came with a 5-speed Geartronic automatic which allows you to select the ratios yourself. The 272bhp T6 came with a 4-speed autobox and an ECU chipped to limit power in 1st and 2nd to avoid transmission damage. Soon this box will be replaced by a new, tougher 6-speed auto...
Hmmm...this makes it worthwhile to wait another model year, maybe 2004, and see if the T6 tranny changes. I, for one, am hoping for the change.
Good review. hmmmm, they have 6-speed Manual T5 listed. Wonder if it'll come over here? Wait a year, bugs gone for the most part, and the 6-speed is introduced...
While this is a new vehicle launch where you would expect dealers to go for top dollar, it is disappointing learning from the board here that some equipment is not available on the first run, and that "band-aids" are being applied to get the car launched (i.e., the 4 spd auto on the T-6).
My wife and I have a deposit down at a different dealer for one of the "first run" vehicles due in November, but with the info offered here plus knowing we will be paying top dollar for a $47,000 vehicle not exactly the way we want it, I think we may be cancelling on this one.
Thanks everyone for the info offered here.
Has anyone else found additional information other than that from post # 220 regarding the introduction of a 6 speed auto?
If one's heart is set on the XC90 for this model year, by all means, please buy one. With regards to the 6-speed auto, pay attention to changes coming for the S80 since the T6 in the XC90 was from the S80. If the S80 gets a 6-speed tranny, chances are that the XC90 will get the tranny also. Well, that is, if it fits in the engine bay.
I, for one, have no immediate need for a vehicle to replace my 2-year old, 16,500 mile, hardly-used Pathfinder. I can wait another year to see how things pan out. Although, a new XC90 around late spring would make for a good birthday gift.
My dealer also told me that X-Plan will be honored around January or February. However, this could all change if XC90 demand exceeds supply.
The C&D review is a bit more vague. I will wait for a more comprehensive road test.
Both engines seem to be tuned to produce a good amount of torque at low RPM's, so Volvo has paid some attention to issues of power in a ~4400 lb vehicle.
Anyone know how heavy the T6 is? I noticed that Volvo's site only gives the weight of the 5-banger.
I found the accessory info on the U.S. site but I was astonished at the pricing for the towing hitches.
I primarily want a tow hitch for a folding bike rack. I 'may' want to tow something in the future but nothing really heavy like a boat or an RV trailer - more likely a utility trailer (rental) or a tent trailer.
So... Can I get away with buying an aftermarket hitch from a car-parts store (Reese, etc...)??
As well, are there third party aftermarket manufacturers for fitted cargo mats and brush bars (grille cages à la Landrover Discovery) that have the XC 90 in mind??
Thanks people...
Gary
Oakville, Ontario
ZF says that this new 6-speed automatic transmissions is lighter, more compact, and more economical than their 5-speed version. It uses 30 percent fewer components than standard 5-speed automatic transmissions.
Since Ford owns both Jaguar and Volvo, it could be possible that this 6-speed tranny can make its way to the XC90 & S80.
A bit more info about the tranny can be found here.
With Host John Davis
PBS Broadcast Window Begins September 27, 2002
Roadtest of the 2003 Volvo XC90
Roadtest of the 2002 Mini Cooper S
Twin turbos are generally pretty smooth as they deliver boost across the torque curve. Single turbos generally deliver at the high end (hence "turbo lag"). The only downside to turbos is they tend to run a lot hotter than normally aspirated engines.
It'd be nice if Edmunds' Liz Kim would drop by and offer up a performance perspective of the XC90 relative to the X5 (since she's written about both in the last 30 days).
That traverse engine may mean plenty of cabin real estate but it also steals so much space between the front wheels that there was only enough room to fit the T6 with a gappy four-speed auto 'box which struggles against the size and weight of this car. The engine constantly kicks down out of fourth to compensate, even on the motorway, to the detriment of fuel consumption, which averaged a sobering 14-15mpg during our test. Couple that with a mean 72-litre tank and the range becomes a pathetic 200 miles...Engineers admit the T6 'box is a problem and a six-speeder in under development for launch late next year.
A new tranny with an extra cog or two should definitely help fuel economy. Well, at least it should.
The drawback is that a new tranny brings about new problems. Hopefully, the XC90 bucks the trend and will be problem-free (yes, that's wishful thinking).
You can use Edmund's formula for calculating lease payments:
1. MSRP Price of the car + options
2. Times the residual value percentage (55%)
3. Equals the residual value
4. Negotiated Purchase price of car minus incentives (net capitalized cost) (figure full MSRP)
5. Minus the residual (From line 3)
6. Equals the depreciation over 36 months
7. Depreciation (Line 6) divided by term in months ÷ 36
8. Equals the monthly depreciation payment
9. Net capitalized cost (From line 4)
10. Plus the residual (From line 3)
11. Equals
12. Times the money factor (assume around 6 or 7%)
13. Equals money factor payment portion
14. Monthly depreciation payment (from line 8)
15. Plus money factor payment portion (from line 12)
16. Equals bottom-line monthly lease payment
You have to add taxes on the amount given by #16.
You can also use http://www.leaseguide.com/calc.htm to get a better idea how much the lease will come out to -- 55% residual value and a money factor of 6 to 7% (.0025 to .00292)
www.volvocars.com/xc90drive
I questioned him on the 4 spd with the turbo and also X-plan pricing. He had a lame excuse for the transmission question and well the X plan isn't available due to the supply and demand principle. Probably not the next release either. After reading some posts here I'm debating whether to really buy the first ones out the door or wait and see the first reports back. I guess I have a better feel at Alameda test drive.
Regarding the X-Plan, I will have to agree that supply and demand in one's geographic location will dictate availability. I think the demand for luxury SUVs like the XC90 or the MDX are bit softer in my area than most of the country. As a matter of fact, the MDX sells here below MSRP (about $500 to $1000, depending on how well you negotiate), while it is way above MSRP in the northeast, i.e. NY and NJ areas. So, this will work in my benefit.
If one has doubts regarding first year reliability, I would suggest erring on the safe side and wait for the next model year. That is, if one can wait. Rumors of a 6-speed auto for the T6 are pretty strong.
After enthusiastically asking a few of the Volvo reps and Volvo corporate about the feature, I have come to find that Volvo has CANCELLED this feature. They say the manufacturer went out of business.
Hmmm Im not sure I buy into that. Most large car manufacturers have 2nd source suppliers for most of their parts and components as to not run into supply problems down the line.
Im very dissapointed in Volvo for putting this feature in their final brochures and then cancelling a MAJOR safety feature/breakthrough such as this.
Cadillac has this features and claims to be the only Auto manufacturer to have it. bar none.
So...the mytery really remains as to what REALLY is the story with Night Vision.
Hopefully its not like Gun control where our government has stepped in and forbidden Auto manufacturers to carry infrared technology to see heat signaturs at night.
It seems that the govt. only wants to have this sort of technology for themselves.
If anyone knows the REAL story on this, please comment.
There's a good XC90 article in the October Car and Driver magazine. They list the T6's curb weight at 4600 lbs.
Can't wait for the Alameda Driving Experience!
Grand High Poobah
The Fraternal Order of Procrastinators
What's most important is whether the GVW is over 6,000 lbs. (for tax purposes, this makes it a truck). Has anyone seen the door sticker?
The 4 speed tranny in the T6 is the same one in the S80. Because of space constraints there is no other tranny in the world that will currently fit into the engine bay. The S-Type Jag has a longitudinal engine tranny combo, the XC90 is transversely mounted, so no other tranny, not even Volvo's own 5spd unit will fit.
The combination in the S80 works just fine, I have no doubt that it will perform adequately in the XC90
2 Black Roof Panel
This panel houses the vehicles antennae. Radio, Telematic, GPS etc.
3 Gross Vehicle Weight
Sorry but according to my sources at Volvo the XC90's rating will be below 6000lbs.
4 X-Plan
According to Volvo there will be no AZX plan pricing available from the Factory for at least the first allocation of vehicles. After that it will depend on the demand. If it is as anticipated don't look for any price breaks any time soon
4 Leasing
No one can tell you what the lease price will be because neither Volvo Finance nor the banks have given out rate and residual info yet.
I ahve heard that ALG will put the T6 residual for 36mo/12k-yr at 61%. Figure a money factor of .00320= 7.68%. Again no subvention because of it being a hot product. Chase may be your best bet, current money factor .00230= 5.52%. BUT you must have perfect spotless credit, whereas Volvo is more liberal in there credit policies.
5 Nightvision
Nightvision is on hold. Raytheon was the supplier, because they princpally supply GM there is a GM vs Ford turf war going on now. Volvo is working to find another supplier or have Ford bend to GM and get the cameras from Raytheon.
Figure nightvision for the end of the 03 model yr or beginning 04.
Hope this info helps,I've been w/ Volvo for 5yrs now.
Max
I understand the XC90 is using the MOST fiber optic network for GPS and multimedia. Very cool.
Hope the GM vs. Ford turf war doesn't hurt Volvo's supply of 4 speed transmissions as it looks like that's the only one available for the 6 cylinder.