Unless this includes something besides the items I mentioned this seems pretty high. Do you get a refund if you trade? Unless it's discounted a lot why pay up front for maintenance you won't use for 4 years. Even worse, whay is there a time limit on this service? What if after 4 years you are only at 40,000 miles (who knows?) would you lose the rest of the service?
I have no idea if there'll be a refund.. and yes if at 4years i am at 40,00o i'll lose the rest of the service.. I feel pretty down after having taken those 2 extra things.. which i think are unnessesary now.
I may be brain dead, but I've looked at these two comments all day and just have to ask, what are you trying to say?
Conduct the quote/price hunt by email, fax/phone from all dealers withing 20/50 miles. Decide where you want to buy. Firm up price, tax/license $ in writing.
Go to the dealer, inspect the car, sign the papers and drive away. Max. time at the dealer - 1 hour.....
Yeah, at least I understand what you meant with the first comment now. Don't necessarily agree with it, but I understand it.
BTW that won't work well if you have a trade or if you live in an area where there may only be 2 dealers within 50 miles. Not everyone lives in a city with multiple choices (of the same brand) nor do "rural" dealers fool with internet offerings.
I live in Louisiana and we like the Texans have that Gulf States Toyota deal. Lots of junk added to the cost of buying. This is the reason I have never bought a Toyota before. I have tried but just got tired of trying to deal with them.
I needed to get my wife a new car so I decided to try again. I went to the local dealer that I have not been to sense 1973 and started the dealing. I got a new salesman, I know better than that. He was just there for a week. He said he sold Cadillac's before.
Camry LE 4cly Auto $21,135.00 Remote Start $595.00 Door Edge Guards $105.00 Extra Miles Option $1,757.00 Alum wheels RS 3200 plus Security System Carpet Mat Set (6pc) Mud Guards Trunk Organizer Cargo Net First Aid Kit Fabric Guard Custom Tape Stripe Wheel Locks Road Hazard tire warranty (3 year/3000 miles) Roadside Assistance (3 yr/3000 miles) Extra Mile Extended life tire (6 yr/6000 Miles) Permavin/Glass Etch & Limited warranty $199 Vehicle Shield Package $349.00 Lusterizing sealant Sound Shield Sealant Cleaner Rental car assistance Total $24,140.00 Most of this is junk that I would not have ordered but I knew that there would be extras added to the car.
They offered me the car for 23,500.00 with my trade of $5,500. For a difference of $18,000 I would not take the deal My trade was worth $7000.00. After a few back and forths with the Sales Manager he came back with a deal I could live with.
List new Toyota $24,140.00 trade $ 7,500.00 Total $16,640.00
I could not believe the way I was treated by all involved. Plus all the sales people were great. The salesman had a lot of questions being his first car sale there and each salesman came and helped him and all were super nice to me during the time I was there. Most car dealers the sales people go out of thier way to let you know that you did not buy from them. However everyone on this lot were just the opposite of that. I Know if I buy another Toyota I will be going there. The Dealership was Yokem Toyota in Shreveport La. and I just thought I would share this with you guys and gals on the forum.
I love the new car. It drives and rides like a more expensive and larger car. So far the ride is better than any car I have ever owned that includes Cadillac, Volvo, Chevy, Dodge, Nissan, and Plymouth.
After a lot of forum reading and research, I finally got all my materials and started getting Internet quotes for the specifications I want on an V6 XLE. I sent the info to the dealer with the best OTD quote who said they had a line on a car matching the specs I requested just coming into allocation. Right after sending it, the Internet Salesperson was informed by the Sales Manager that it was no longer available, but there were 5 coming into allocation for $148 more on invoice. When I asked about the difference in equipment (and thus price), I was told that all had the Body Side Molding and Rear Bumper Applique.
In message #3403, the poster mentioned that the body side molding wasn't a factory installed option. Anyone have more information on this or can confirm? I'm trying to determine if they are trying to stuff more options into the deal or if that's the configuration Toyota is making this month. From the picture they painted, if I don't want to take these options, I have to custom order and wait longer. In the meantime, I've sent an email to the dealer with the second best offer asking about availability to see if they come back with a different story.
Also, I have yet to see a single Camry in person with either of these options. Ugly? Nice? Don't even notice?
Does anyone know if the Camry is selling well? Seems like they are giving a huge discount on these cars already.
I'm being offered V6 XLE's with everything but navigation for $2700-$3K off of MSRP. However, I'm having a hard time pulling the trigger and buying it. I know this car is extremely good quality and looks great on the inside but to me, it's just plain ugly on the exterior. I'm just wondering if Toyota may be suffering the same fate as the redesigned Taurus. I hope not because I love Toyota cars and have owned 2 Camry's in the past. This one is just a hard sell to me.
So I'm curious if anyone knows sales figures yet in comparison to the same time frame a year ago.
Though I don't have current sales figures, I do know that the Toyota factory in Kentucky is running at full compacity and Toyota DOES NOT create vast inventories as GM and Ford typically do.
..which would indicate sales of most Toyota models especially the Camry have helped achieve.
IMO, the reason why you're seeing better deals is simply that the 07 Camry is no longer "new" and with the American economy's uncertainty.... dealers, not Toyota are reducing their prices.
They are not selling for less now than they were when they came out. I bought mine the first week they were out for $2,600 under MSRP. If I had gotten NAV, it would have been closer to $3,000 less than MSRP
In fact there was ~$300 price increase about Sept. 1st.
and the SE models are selling now for more than they did before. Fitzmall now shows SE's at only $400 under MSRP.
I havent bought it yet, but most likely buying it next week. i got a quote on a 4cyl SE, moonroof, rear spoiler, mats, alarm+remote start...thats about it. the dealer gave me 23.5k. not sure if it's a good price (if it's expensive to you, please dont let me know....lol), but take it as a reference. location: MA
Hey guys just wanted to see if you thought my friends purchase was a good deal. He got a 2007 camry le v-6, floor mats, rear bumper protector for 24000 O.T.D. This is the central valley california.. I think the car was 22,100 + TTL. Let me know what you think, thanks alot..
Looks like the Invoice on the car ( from Edmunds) that your friend picked is $21,549 or $21,936($10 fuel charge + $377 TDA which is negotiable). I am getting this prices from the Actual Invoice of a car that the dealer sent me before purchase.
I think it is either a good deal or a OK deal depends on how you look at it and how much the dealer was willing to negotiate($44 over Invoice including fuel & TDA or $551 over Invoice if you negotiate the TDA & fuel surcharge)
I finally bought the car, took me 5 months of shopping around.
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For $26,200 ($27,396 OTD). Original price was $31,096.
Have any of you guys notice that when your driving and go under a bridge. That your guages (speedomter, tachometer) dims and after you pass under the bridge it brightens back to normal? Not sure why it does this.
I just took delivery of a 2007 LE V6 for just under $24K with the JBL Audio, XM Receiver and floor mats. The MSRP is 25.6K and the invoice is 22.6K. No dealer had the car in stock in the NJ/PA area so i had had to order it and wait 7 weeks. Some dealers wanted to charge full MSRP and were reluctant to take an order even. I was told that there were very few LE V6's being delivered to the dealers. Better availability of SE and XLE V6's. I think I got a reasonably good deal. I did add the VIP RS3200 security system after the delivery and I paid full retail on that. First was going to go with the Viper but then decided that it was not a good idea to be one of the first 07 Camry's to have one installed in my area.
I am looking to buy the camry CE with no warranty, no nothing. i was just looking to get the most basic, and with no matts. Also the lowest financing options available. It does not matter if u know a dealer in NY, or PA. That's ok as long as i get my CE.
A dealer in Sacramento is holding a 2007 White Camry SE 4 cyl with the following packages:
CA CA State Emissions RF Color Keyed Rear Spoiler CF Carpet Floor Mats SR Moonroof package EJ JBL Prem. 6 Disc In Dash Changer
Since a local dealer pricematched him I took delivery of a similar car today. If anyone is interested please let me know and I can give you the details of the dealer. Ofcourse the price is below Invoice + TTL.
I have no affiliation to the dealer but since I spent a lot of time trying to negotiate the deal I was thinking I can help someone else.
I am still trying to decide if I want to by a Camry, wait till next model year or buy something else. The one thing I have decided is that I will never buy a car from a traditional dealer. I am sure this has been discussed before but I can’t see why anyone would go through the hassle of a traditional dealer, when they can do the internet thing. I am just so tired of either dealing with people who don’t know their product or who just outright lie.
I got a call the other day that they had several V6 SE’s in Victorville so I decided to stop by. The dealer I had been talking too was not in but there was another “helpful” salesman that showed me the cars. I asked him if they had been having any problems with the transmissions and of course he told me no. Then he did admit that they had but that all the problems had been fixed. I told him I had read (on here) about all the problems they were having and just wanted to know if they had any come back. He then went off on a tirade about how all the American cars were crap and what else would I buy. (The old you would be lucky if I sold you this talk) He said the only two cars worth buying were Hondas and Toyotas (the same ones he just happened to sell) I then mentioned that I was told they were going to recall the 4 cyl’s to reprogram the transmissions. He got mad and asked where I heard it and I told him from one of his fellow car dealers. He then bluntly told me that he “would never tell a customer that”. I asked him if he meant that he would never tell a customer the truth and the rest of the conversation kind of when downhill.
It is pretty interesting and almost makes me feel sorry for car dealers but as for me the only thing I will be using them for in the future are test drives. I will use the internet for the final price. I know some people like to haggle with dealers but it just drives me crazy.
hey, first of all, i am trying to decide whether i get a honda accord vp, or a camry CE. now i don't know what to do. i love the shape of the camry, but i know that there are some reviews about the transmission, also the accord will never give any issues as far as engine. i have seen accords with well over 350000 miles with no problem, something that i 've never seen in any other car, incl camry. can anyone tell me of a good price in both anywher in NJ, PA, or NY. i live in NJ, but i will travel if they give the invoice
Hey what dealer did u buy it from. I am from NJ, i was just looking for the ce if possible, and how do u feel with the "transmission issue, if ther is any" thanks
Do you realize that "internet" dealers are sales people who work in a "traditional" dealership? There is no reason an "internet" dealer will give you a better price than a walk in. Once you order your car from a "internet" dealer do you realize you will have to pick up your car from their "tradtional" dealership? maybe you should take a virtual test drive before you purchase it over the internet.
jb turner has it exactly right for 99.8% of the dealerships. Only a very, very few claim to be exclusively internet-based dealerships. When you contact an the internet salesperson, you are only contacting the person assigned by the dealership for this position. These folks tend to be more computer and internet savvy than other salespersons.
When you work through a internet salesperson, you are a actually foregoing some of the negotiations you could achieve by working with a salesperson on the floor - an eye-ball to eye-ball negotiation. I don't know why people dislike new car negotiations, as I think it's rather fun! After all, it's the "art of the deal."
I knew this would stir up debate. Yes I am fully aware that internet sales are handled by “traditional” dealerships. I know you are trying to be sarcastic but I do know that you can test drive any car before you buy it. I don’t know the figures but I would guess the internet salesman gets a lower commission rate and tends to work on volume. For those of you who love the “art of the deal” more power to you. I have friends that are the same way but for me I hate it. I hate spending hours of my time, talking to someone who has to keep going back and talking to “his boss”, only to keep telling me what great news he has for me. I don’t like being lied to or feeling I have to lie to them to save a few dollars on my price.
Things I like about negotiating for cars over the internet. First off I now live in Southern California. There are at least 20 dealerships within an hour of my house. On the internet I can visit all of them in an afternoon. I like having a written record of everything that has been discussed so there are no “add-ons” in the end. I know many dealers will not give you their best price over the internet right away. Negotiating and phone calls will still be necessary. It is just a lot easier for me to do it from my house, than in the little cubicle at the dealership. I am the type of person who researches everything before he buys it and I don’t need someone to explain the features of the car or how "hot" it is.
I am not putting people down who like to negotiate but for me I think I can get just as good a price over the internet with a lot less hassle in the end. My last truck I bought in Idaho from a traditional dealership. We made the deal on the phone. I just came in to test drive and pick up my truck. I got a great price and it was easy but most of the time they have you jumping through hoops and doing the dance and I personally just hate it.
But do you tell the guy you are test driving with that you have no intention of buying from him and are completely wasting his time in order to do a test drive?
How about calling him and telling him what the best offer you got was and seeing if he will match it so that you are not wasting his time, Many people do deals over the phone before coming in.
Well as pointed out before most internet sales are done by “traditional” dealerships. It is very easy to just call up the internet sales person and tell them you want to take a test drive. They know that if they can not provide the best price you are not going to buy it from them.
Now as for my recent experiences, yes I took a couple of test drives from traditional dealerships. I was thinking that maybe it would be ok to deal with them. I always tell them I am not buying today and it is them begging me to drive it. After the test drive they always try and force me into the cubicle. When I say I don’t want to buy today they bring out “the boss” and do the dance. I am sorry but I just really do not like the experience. I know some do.
Yes I could call the dealer but for me it is just easier to send an email to the dealerships internet sales. I am curious if anyone on here knows but I would still guess they work for a lower commission than traditional salesmen. I am still going to have to make some phone calls but I feel much better doing it from my house than at some dealership. I also like to have the email in hand. It is much harder for the dealership to “forget” the price we agreed on or to add on extras. I don’t know about any of you but I have had the experience twice of calling a dealership, having them tell me they can beat the price I had, then when I drive an hour or two finding out the car either does not exist or they have no intention of selling it to me for that price.
I know there are many car salesmen who read this site. I just think for someone, like myself, they are not that necessary. I do all my own research. I have a good job and great credit. I think that with the advent of the internet and sites like this one you will see fewer and fewer traditional car salesmen. 15 years ago I had no idea of how the whole process of buying a car worked. I remember several years ago that if you brought an invoice in or talked about holdbacks dealers would get downright hostile but now they have come to expect it. I like the fact that many of the smoke and mirrors have disappeared.
i am trying to buy a camry CE or LE. now i don't know what to do. i love the shape of the camry, but i know that there are some reviews about the transmission, can anyone tell me of a good price in both anywher in NJ, PA, or NY. i live in NJ, but i will travel if they give the invoice
Two weeks ago I put $ down on a Magnetic Grey 4 cyl. LE (no options besides mats) at $19,432 in St. Louis area. Price wars since lowered the price to $19,188 and the dealer 'honored' the lower price. With a $125 doc fee the total before TTL was $19,313.
I think getting a decent sized Japanese sedan (although it is built in Kentucky) with a mid-level trim package for under $20K is pretty reasonable. Inherent in that is decent EPA mileage figures and an implied good-excellent reliability rate.
This is my very first post, but I've been perusing this site like a MAD woman as of late, and though I don't yet know from where I'll purchase my '07 Camry XLE V6, when I do purchase it (in January) - and in a very large part due to this site - I know I will absolutely be informed! I think that's very cool. :-)
I've test-driven the car(s) and know exactly what options I want (pretty much everything!), so it's merely a matter of finding the right price/dealer. I'm opting to do my bargaining via the Internet; from what I've read (and experienced, thus far) it's a LOT more convenient.
I've just begun this process, and thus far I've only gotten two quotes. The quotes I've received for the fully loaded XLE V6 (minus TTL) have been $30, 137.00 (he said this is $1000. over invoice, and when I informed him that I wasn't willing to pay $1000. over invoice and will look at other dealers, he said he'd be open to negotiating if I found anything lower. Why wouldn't he just go lower in the first place?!), and $30, 413.00, respectively.
The delivered OTD price for the same car over at Fitzmall is going for $28, 845.00 (minus $99.00), and to me that's a quite a difference. As I mentioned above, I've been told that if I submit quotes from other dealers which are lower than what they've given me, they'll try to meet or beat the price, so ... my question is this:
If I send them the quotes from Fitzmall (like a link to the page with the car and price), does that count as another dealer's lower quote? I mean, I've not actually been to Fitzmall - they didn't give ME the quote; it's merely an advertised price - but it is a quote/price, right? I live in CA (Ventura), and I realize that prices/supply/demand in Maryland are different than here, so do I go by California prices and pretty much let Fitz's prices go? Is it reasonable to expect to pay more here?
I've read several posters who've said they've gotten this same car (loaded) for $28, 500. and lower, which absolutely blows me away! I've utilized sites like Edmunds, KBB and Carsdirect to figure out the fully loaded invoice price, and it would seem that I'd be doing well if I pay anything under $29,000, which sounds very reasonable to me - I'm just not clear on how to get this whole thing started. I mean, how can I send ONE dealer a lower quote if I can't GET a lower quote from someone else to send? It's like the proverbial Catch 22! Ugh.
Since I'm buying in January I've the luxury of time; I can certainly shop around. And though I'm excited at the prospect of this process (it's my first time buying a car from a dealer), there's so much information I'm learning from this and other sites that it feels kinda overwhelming. I feel like my head's gonna explode!
I thank you in advance for any insight and information you have to share, and though I'd like to think that this will be my only question/posting, I'm fairly certain this won't be a One-n-Done thing for me. :-)
Since you are buying in January most dealers will not take you seriously. So at this point comparing quotes/advertised prices is moot at best. If Fitzmall gives you a better price in January just go and purchase it from there You mention "loaded" there are several ways a Camry can be "loaded" so if you are comparing quotes/advertised prices for a "loaded" Camry you are not comparing apples to apples.
Well first off if your dealer gave you a quote of about $1300 over fizmall I would guess he is about $1500 over invoice. I too live in California and really doubt that fitzmall would be any help to you at all in finding a price. The dealer knows you are not going to go to the East Coast to buy a car.
That being said I don't see why you would have to pay more just for a car in California. You can get on Toyota.com and find all the dealers within a certain area around where you live and their websites. I would just email the dealers with the car you want and request a price quote. Let them all know you are looking for the best price you can find. I would call the ones who send you back the best deal, just so they know you are being serious. Try and negotiate the best deal you can among the dealers. I personally would talk to them on the phone but not go to the dealership until you have made a deal. Make sure they email you the deal, with all the costs before you show up.
I don't think I would pay more than a couple of hundred over invoice. I love the XLE too but it is not a "rare" or hard to come by car. I had a dealer offer me an LE 4 cyl for invoice without hardly dealing at all. Remember their invoice will be a couple of hundred more than the Edmunds invoice. I don't think I would start the process until I was fairly close to being ready to buy.
I agree with you that the term "loaded" means different things to different people; it's definitely subjective. What I did was make a list of the specific options I wanted and priced them each individually, figuring with both the invoice *and* MSRP price.
When I e-mailed the dealers (all TWO of them, mind you), I included the itemized list of the options I'd like, so that when they gave me a quote it was based specifically on what I'd submitted to them, hence (at least the way I see it, and assuming I actually understand the term), I'm comparing apples to apples. :-)
Like I said in my initial post, this whole process is new to me - I'm pretty much flyin' by the seat of my automotive pants here - which is why I'm so grateful for having found this site. :-)
Since I won't be buying until January, I understand that I may not be taken seriously at this point - I mean, I know I'm serious, but how are they to know that? Perhaps I am jumpin' the gun a bit - maybe I should take a chill pill and wait a little while, eh? ;-)
The reason I opted to start this process now instead of later is that I felt it would behoove me to get all of my ducks in a row: I thought I'd line up the exact car, dealer and price before January, so that when January came I'd walk in, give them the check, sign the papers and drive off the lot. Guess this idea works better in my head then in real life.
So, Shasta 67, I think I'll take your advice and wait until I'm closer to actually buying. In the meantime, I'll continue perusing this site so that my information remains up-to-date and accurate. AND ... I'll compile a list of the dealers in my area and prepare to send them e-mails when the time comes. (Btw, what would make Edmund's invoice be higher than the dealer's?)
I appreciate your suggestion to call those who offer me the best deal so that they'll know I'm serious - I guess the old saying that $$ talks and B.S. walks couldn't be more applicable than when purchasing a car. :-)
I have excellent credit (I've already been pre-approved for a loan, though I'm not committed; I'll research the rates again in January and go with the lowest at that time), and I anticipate the only "challenge" of this process will be in actually finding the place to buy the car.
I've another question (I KNEW I'd have more than one): Since I know I won't be financing with the dealer, and I know I won't be trading in my current car (I LOVE my car and have no need/desire to get rid of it), is there a better time than another to divulge this information to the dealer? I mean, is this information best shared right off the bat, best held onto until further along in the process, or does it not matter either way?
Again, I thank you for the above responses, and I look forward to anymore input/information sent in my direction. Until then, I'll be keepin' my eye on these boards, that's for sure!
Well they will want to know what you have for a trade in or if you will be financing through them. They make money off of both of these things. They will also try and sell you an extended warranty. Remember you can usually get a much better price from someone else on those than from the dealer. I would tell them all of this in advance that way they are not giving you a price they won’t honor because they were planning on making money off of the financing. I don’t know the rate you got on your loan but I think I would try and let them see what they can offer you. It couldn’t hurt.
My friend purchased a Corolla last year and got a great price on it considering he had very bad credit because of a recent divorce. He did purchase an extremely overpriced warranty and I am sure that factored into the dealership giving him a great deal on the car. He was happy with the car but worried about the warranty so I just told him to cancel it. The dealership went ballistic. They called him up, demanded he bring the car back and cancel the deal. In the end there was nothing they could do. He had already bought the car.
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I have been at two dealerships...Dublin who gave me a quote of $29,000 and Concord who was at 27,986..... I didn't tell the other what the other quoted me...I just told them to give me your best deal......internet is the only way to go....I didn't want to was time getting jerked around.....the only problem is there isn't any SE with the items listed above.....That was what I was told from 9 dealers.......2 of which told me I was getting BS'ed in believing I would get the car at that price.....One of those quoted me $400 more in Burlingame and the other was 28,900 in Fairfield.......The guy in Vallejo got the car in Friday.....I went down and did the paper work......left and told him to detail the car and I would pick it up Saturday....I drove it home Saturday at 10am.......LOLOLOL Edmunds.com wholesales this vehicle with the options listed above at $27,553......so I paid $433 over invoice.....the salesman told me he was making $33 dollars....I told him but your totals and your bonus for car sales probably look great....I really didn't car if he made any money......$33 dollars for walking me from the front door to the finance office was pretty good for 2 mins of work......I can just imagine how much he made on the sale before me and after.... 1.572% over invoice.......Even on a 2007....on a car no one has.....in a color they told me everyone wants.....and the only reason this happened.....Just because one dealership didn't want the other one to get the sale......You gotta love that.....Thank you edmunds.com.......
Well sounds like you got a great deal. That is about exactly the car I am looking to buy. I drove one just like it and fell in love with it. This was after I told my wife I didn’t want a boring Camry. And you are correct they don’t really want to deal on them that much. If you want to feel even a little better about your deal, you probably got it for just about invoice. Edmunds leaves out the advertising fees which I believe are 3 or 4 hundred in California.
I figured I would wait a month or so to try and buy one. I hope by that time there may be more available, I may know more about some of the problems they have been having and maybe work will calm down.
I am a little surprised the salesman only made $33 but the dealership still did ok. I would be interested in what rate you got on your loan too. They make money off of that too.
I am new to this forum and i am not very sure of how to use the tools here. My need is to find out the best price quote anyone got / bought for a 2007 Toyota Camry CE with only Mats and no other options in DFW metroplex. Can you please let me know the price quote ? I can go for buying this car anytime as long as I can get a good price...I mean I can even wait till end of year 2006 if that is going to make a difference in the price offered.
I think this is a great price. I just bought a SE yesterday as well, put up a $1000 deposit. This is in Toronto, Ontario, Canada though. The Canadian market is just too pricey!
The SE features very from the US market but I got it with the Option C top of the line package which includes: Power moonroof, electrochromic rearview mirror w/ digital compass, heated front seats, leather, power passenger seats, dual illuminated vanity mirrors, garage door opener, and the basics alloy wheels, wheel locks, power driver seat w/ lumbar support, side skirt, 3-tilt steering, and fog lamp.
hey zippy786... GREAT DEAL!!!! I got mine way back in the summer in the GTA and paid $34,500 OTD... and thought nobody would without working for Toyota would get as good as a deal.... lo and behold... you BEAT ME by a couple hundred bucks!!! :mad: lol. Don't worry if the price sounds good in US dollars. We simply have a higher sales tax (GST), some states don't even have that.
Thanks for your input regarding the offering up of my not-trading-in/not-financing information. I've always believed it's best to be up-front, so this certainly is in alignment (no pun intended) with that philosophy.
As for financing, I'm not anti-dealer, not at all. I'm just anti-me getting screwed in the deal. If they offer me a rate which is competitive with what another company offers, well, I'm totally there!
Regarding the warranty, when I read several of the posters here report that they're paying like HALF of what their dealership would have charged (for the SAME WARRANTY), well, that totally got my attention! I plan on looking into places like Midwest Superstores Toyota and Mechanicsville Toyota (translation: I'm going to shop around) before deciding - and since I now know I don't have to purchase a warranty at the same time I purchase the car, the stress of time is eliminated, which I totally dig.
I've read that the best times to buy a new car, in order, are: 1) end of the year, 2) end of the quarter, and 3) end of the month. Since option #1 is out of the question for me, I'm left with #s 2 and 3. I've been planning on buying in January, but after reading this I'm wondering if it might behoove me to wait until the end of the quarter.
I'm curious what the consensus here is: Would it be better to wait until March (end of the quarter), or would buying in January not be that much of a difference? And if in January, does it matter when in January? Ugh. So many questions....
This site - which includes each of you who contribute to these boards - has so much valuable information, and I can't imagine going through this process without it. Really. Information is key, and I'm so grateful to not have to go through this process uninformed.
Btw, congratulations to Killjoy and Zippi786 for your new cars! Very cool! I can imagine you're both very happy ... and drivin' in style. :-)
It's now back to football. It's a GREAT football day!
I will probably finance through my credit union too but I will give the dealers a chance to see what they can do. I know the Camry is hot now so I doubt Toyota will be giving great rates but sometimes they can come up with some very good deals.
I agree with you about being honest up front. I think that is why I tend to hate the traditional style of selling cars so much. It makes liars out of us all. I have a cousin that has a used car lot and I know many of the customers are just as dishonest as many of the dealers.
As far as January or March I really don’t know. I bought my last truck in March and got a great deal but I would guess January would be good too. I really doubt they will have huge discounts on the Camry’s until maybe the 08’s get ready to come out and then maybe not much then.
My initial plan was to go with my Credit Union, which at this time is offering 6.7% However, I investigated a couple of online sources (Capital One and E-Loan) which are offering 6.35% and 6.09%, respectively. You can imagine which one I'm planning on going with. But, like I mentioned earlier, I'll certainly be open to what the dealer offers.
It seems from what you and others have said that since the Camry is such a hot item vehicle, it may not make that big of a difference as to when I purchase - the most important factor is being informed! Given this, I think (at least at this point) I'll plan for the end of January, which isn't end of quarter, but it *is* end of month.
I am a bit concerned though... I have the option to go tomorrow and can get LE with B pkg for 30,272 OTD. SE is a fine car, but am afraid about thefts... I've heard pple steal off parts, etc. I don't want to be with a new car with a stolen stereo.. so... am sleeping on this thought tonight...
Should I go with LE?? What say? Thanks! zippyyyyyy :confuse:
hey! I was also wondering... did you get any rust proof or coating pkg?
i am new to Toronto so was wondering how bad the winter gets here? The dealer is trying to sell it to me for $800 for outer coating, inner leather coating, and some machine that they would install in the vehicle which will keep its shine. Do I need this to sustain the winter? anyone know? drjames?
zippy786, What I really wanted was the Pearl white that the Solara has, but nope... only flat alpine white for us. So, having owned darker cars in the past and knowing how every single door ding and swirl marks show... I chose... get ready... the everyone-has-the-same-colour metalic silver. Oh well, still looks good.
As for the LE, really nice and plush. But that's the thing... the way the feedback and suspension feeling of the SE was a sure bet with me. I also have an RX and Boxter S. So, I love the taunt and tight feel, no? I traded in an old Avalon when I got the Camry and realized I was feeling old driving such a soft cruiser. That said... that's the bottom line I think in what car you should be choosing.... what type of ride and handling do you want? Moreover, I still wanted Leather, heated seats, and power moonroof... but is it worth the extra 4 grand to you? I though so!
As for stolen parts... I haven't heard of this yet and don't know where abouts you're at, but living downtown Toronto... there's alot more cars I'd be stealing if I were looking to do that. I don't really know what parts would be worth the hassle... the fog lights are quite secure aswell as the lower body panels. The only thing that might be easy to rip of would be the lip spoiler, but... considering the average age of the Camry buyer... I don't know if there's really a market for it.
Either way, I hope you enjoy your car as muxh as I have.... let me know what you're picking.
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Unless this includes something besides the items I mentioned this seems pretty high. Do you get a refund if you trade? Unless it's discounted a lot why pay up front for maintenance you won't use for 4 years. Even worse, whay is there a time limit on this service? What if after 4 years you are only at 40,000 miles (who knows?) would you lose the rest of the service?
Conduct the quote/price hunt by email, fax/phone from all dealers withing 20/50 miles. Decide where you want to buy. Firm up price, tax/license $ in writing.
Go to the dealer, inspect the car, sign the papers and drive away. Max. time at the dealer - 1 hour.....
Comprende??
Yeah, at least I understand what you meant with the first comment now. Don't necessarily agree with it, but I understand it.
BTW that won't work well if you have a trade or if you live in an area where there may only be 2 dealers within 50 miles. Not everyone lives in a city with multiple choices (of the same brand) nor do "rural" dealers fool with internet offerings.
I needed to get my wife a new car so I decided to try again. I went to the local dealer that I have not been to sense 1973 and started the dealing. I got a new salesman, I know better than that. He was just there for a week. He said he sold Cadillac's before.
Camry LE 4cly Auto $21,135.00
Remote Start $595.00
Door Edge Guards $105.00
Extra Miles Option $1,757.00
Alum wheels
RS 3200 plus Security System
Carpet Mat Set (6pc)
Mud Guards
Trunk Organizer
Cargo Net
First Aid Kit
Fabric Guard
Custom Tape Stripe
Wheel Locks
Road Hazard tire warranty
(3 year/3000 miles)
Roadside Assistance
(3 yr/3000 miles)
Extra Mile Extended life tire
(6 yr/6000 Miles)
Permavin/Glass Etch & Limited warranty $199
Vehicle Shield Package $349.00
Lusterizing sealant
Sound Shield
Sealant Cleaner
Rental car assistance
Total $24,140.00
Most of this is junk that I would not have ordered but I knew that there would be extras added to the car.
They offered me the car for 23,500.00 with my trade of $5,500. For a difference of $18,000 I would not take the deal My trade was worth $7000.00. After a few back and forths with the Sales Manager he came back with a deal I could live with.
List new Toyota $24,140.00
trade $ 7,500.00
Total $16,640.00
I could not believe the way I was treated by all involved. Plus all the sales people were great. The salesman had a lot of questions being his first car sale there and each salesman came and helped him and all were super nice to me during the time I was there. Most car dealers the sales people go out of thier way to let you know that you did not buy from them. However everyone on this lot were just the opposite of that. I Know if I buy another Toyota I will be going there. The Dealership was Yokem Toyota in Shreveport La. and I just thought I would share this with you guys and gals on the forum.
I love the new car. It drives and rides like a more expensive and larger car. So far the ride is better than any car I have ever owned that includes Cadillac, Volvo, Chevy, Dodge, Nissan, and Plymouth.
In message #3403, the poster mentioned that the body side molding wasn't a factory installed option. Anyone have more information on this or can confirm? I'm trying to determine if they are trying to stuff more options into the deal or if that's the configuration Toyota is making this month. From the picture they painted, if I don't want to take these options, I have to custom order and wait longer. In the meantime, I've sent an email to the dealer with the second best offer asking about availability to see if they come back with a different story.
Also, I have yet to see a single Camry in person with either of these options. Ugly? Nice? Don't even notice?
Thanks in advance!
I'm being offered V6 XLE's with everything but navigation for $2700-$3K off of MSRP. However, I'm having a hard time pulling the trigger and buying it. I know this car is extremely good quality and looks great on the inside but to me, it's just plain ugly on the exterior. I'm just wondering if Toyota may be suffering the same fate as the redesigned Taurus. I hope not because I love Toyota cars and have owned 2 Camry's in the past. This one is just a hard sell to me.
So I'm curious if anyone knows sales figures yet in comparison to the same time frame a year ago.
Looks like it will be many years until you own another one then
That said, every month has seen Toyota set increased sales figures... such as seen here... http://www.automotive-business-review.com/article_news.asp?guid=EBAFCB4B-47F1-48- 22-9226-389EC75C7957
..which would indicate sales of most Toyota models especially the Camry have helped achieve.
IMO, the reason why you're seeing better deals is simply that the 07 Camry is no longer "new" and with the American economy's uncertainty.... dealers, not Toyota are reducing their prices.
They are not selling for less now than they were when they came out. I bought mine the first week they were out for $2,600 under MSRP. If I had gotten NAV, it would have been closer to $3,000 less than MSRP
In fact there was ~$300 price increase about Sept. 1st.
and the SE models are selling now for more than they did before. Fitzmall now shows SE's at only $400 under MSRP.
Sorry, can't hold your hand!
Base MSRP - 21,940 Invoice - 19,525
Package EJ - 1,000 750
Package SR - 940 752
Package CF - 199 126
Package RF - 200 160
Destination - 620 620
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Total MSRP - 24,899 Invoice - 21,933
My price is $21,800 +TTL (~$24,298 OTD). I have to drive 75 miles to get it though. It is in Northern California (Bay Area)
I think it is either a good deal or a OK deal depends on how you look at it and how much the dealer was willing to negotiate($44 over Invoice including fuel & TDA or $551 over Invoice if you negotiate the TDA & fuel surcharge)
Bottomline is he/she has bought the car so enjoy
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For $26,200 ($27,396 OTD). Original price was $31,096.
Have any of you guys notice that when your driving and go under a bridge. That your guages (speedomter, tachometer) dims and after you pass under the bridge it brightens back to normal? Not sure why it does this.
Motor Trend just named the Camry Car of the Year!!!! yaa!
CA CA State Emissions
RF Color Keyed Rear Spoiler
CF Carpet Floor Mats
SR Moonroof package
EJ JBL Prem. 6 Disc In Dash Changer
Since a local dealer pricematched him I took delivery of a similar car today. If anyone is interested please let me know and I can give you the details of the dealer. Ofcourse the price is below Invoice + TTL.
I have no affiliation to the dealer but since I spent a lot of time trying to negotiate the deal I was thinking I can help someone else.
I got a call the other day that they had several V6 SE’s in Victorville so I decided to stop by. The dealer I had been talking too was not in but there was another “helpful” salesman that showed me the cars. I asked him if they had been having any problems with the transmissions and of course he told me no. Then he did admit that they had but that all the problems had been fixed. I told him I had read (on here) about all the problems they were having and just wanted to know if they had any come back. He then went off on a tirade about how all the American cars were crap and what else would I buy. (The old you would be lucky if I sold you this talk) He said the only two cars worth buying were Hondas and Toyotas (the same ones he just happened to sell) I then mentioned that I was told they were going to recall the 4 cyl’s to reprogram the transmissions. He got mad and asked where I heard it and I told him from one of his fellow car dealers. He then bluntly told me that he “would never tell a customer that”. I asked him if he meant that he would never tell a customer the truth and the rest of the conversation kind of when downhill.
I know there must be honest dealers out there but they system the way it is set up just sucks. I read confessions of a car salesman on here. http://www.edmunds.com/advice/buying/articles/42962/article.html
It is pretty interesting and almost makes me feel sorry for car dealers but as for me the only thing I will be using them for in the future are test drives. I will use the internet for the final price. I know some people like to haggle with dealers but it just drives me crazy.
When you work through a internet salesperson, you are a actually foregoing some of the negotiations you could achieve by working with a salesperson on the floor - an eye-ball to eye-ball negotiation. I don't know why people dislike new car negotiations, as I think it's rather fun! After all, it's the "art of the deal."
Things I like about negotiating for cars over the internet. First off I now live in Southern California. There are at least 20 dealerships within an hour of my house. On the internet I can visit all of them in an afternoon. I like having a written record of everything that has been discussed so there are no “add-ons” in the end. I know many dealers will not give you their best price over the internet right away. Negotiating and phone calls will still be necessary. It is just a lot easier for me to do it from my house, than in the little cubicle at the dealership. I am the type of person who researches everything before he buys it and I don’t need someone to explain the features of the car or how "hot" it is.
I am not putting people down who like to negotiate but for me I think I can get just as good a price over the internet with a lot less hassle in the end. My last truck I bought in Idaho from a traditional dealership. We made the deal on the phone. I just came in to test drive and pick up my truck. I got a great price and it was easy but most of the time they have you jumping through hoops and doing the dance and I personally just hate it.
wasting his time in order to do a test drive?
How about calling him and telling him what the best offer you got was and seeing if he will match it so that you are not wasting his time, Many people do deals over the phone before coming in.
Now as for my recent experiences, yes I took a couple of test drives from traditional dealerships. I was thinking that maybe it would be ok to deal with them. I always tell them I am not buying today and it is them begging me to drive it. After the test drive they always try and force me into the cubicle. When I say I don’t want to buy today they bring out “the boss” and do the dance. I am sorry but I just really do not like the experience. I know some do.
Yes I could call the dealer but for me it is just easier to send an email to the dealerships internet sales. I am curious if anyone on here knows but I would still guess they work for a lower commission than traditional salesmen. I am still going to have to make some phone calls but I feel much better doing it from my house than at some dealership. I also like to have the email in hand. It is much harder for the dealership to “forget” the price we agreed on or to add on extras. I don’t know about any of you but I have had the experience twice of calling a dealership, having them tell me they can beat the price I had, then when I drive an hour or two finding out the car either does not exist or they have no intention of selling it to me for that price.
I know there are many car salesmen who read this site. I just think for someone, like myself, they are not that necessary. I do all my own research. I have a good job and great credit. I think that with the advent of the internet and sites like this one you will see fewer and fewer traditional car salesmen. 15 years ago I had no idea of how the whole process of buying a car worked. I remember several years ago that if you brought an invoice in or talked about holdbacks dealers would get downright hostile but now they have come to expect it. I like the fact that many of the smoke and mirrors have disappeared.
I think getting a decent sized Japanese sedan (although it is built in Kentucky) with a mid-level trim package for under $20K is pretty reasonable. Inherent in that is decent EPA mileage figures and an implied good-excellent reliability rate.
I've test-driven the car(s) and know exactly what options I want (pretty much everything!), so it's merely a matter of finding the right price/dealer. I'm opting to do my bargaining via the Internet; from what I've read (and experienced, thus far) it's a LOT more convenient.
I've just begun this process, and thus far I've only gotten two quotes. The quotes I've received for the fully loaded XLE V6 (minus TTL) have been $30, 137.00 (he said this is $1000. over invoice, and when I informed him that I wasn't willing to pay $1000. over invoice and will look at other dealers, he said he'd be open to negotiating if I found anything lower. Why wouldn't he just go lower in the first place?!), and $30, 413.00, respectively.
The delivered OTD price for the same car over at Fitzmall is going for $28, 845.00 (minus $99.00), and to me that's a quite a difference. As I mentioned above, I've been told that if I submit quotes from other dealers which are lower than what they've given me, they'll try to meet or beat the price, so ... my question is this:
If I send them the quotes from Fitzmall (like a link to the page with the car and price), does that count as another dealer's lower quote? I mean, I've not actually been to Fitzmall - they didn't give ME the quote; it's merely an advertised price - but it is a quote/price, right? I live in CA (Ventura), and I realize that prices/supply/demand in Maryland are different than here, so do I go by California prices and pretty much let Fitz's prices go? Is it reasonable to expect to pay more here?
I've read several posters who've said they've gotten this same car (loaded) for $28, 500. and lower, which absolutely blows me away! I've utilized sites like Edmunds, KBB and Carsdirect to figure out the fully loaded invoice price, and it would seem that I'd be doing well if I pay anything under $29,000, which sounds very reasonable to me - I'm just not clear on how to get this whole thing started. I mean, how can I send ONE dealer a lower quote if I can't GET a lower quote from someone else to send? It's like the proverbial Catch 22! Ugh.
Since I'm buying in January I've the luxury of time; I can certainly shop around. And though I'm excited at the prospect of this process (it's my first time buying a car from a dealer), there's so much information I'm learning from this and other sites that it feels kinda overwhelming. I feel like my head's gonna explode!
I thank you in advance for any insight and information you have to share, and though I'd like to think that this will be my only question/posting, I'm fairly certain this won't be a One-n-Done thing for me. :-)
I'm so glad to have found this site!
Catherine
You mention "loaded" there are several ways a Camry can be "loaded" so if you are comparing quotes/advertised prices for a "loaded" Camry you are not comparing apples to apples.
That being said I don't see why you would have to pay more just for a car in California. You can get on Toyota.com and find all the dealers within a certain area around where you live and their websites. I would just email the dealers with the car you want and request a price quote. Let them all know you are looking for the best price you can find. I would call the ones who send you back the best deal, just so they know you are being serious. Try and negotiate the best deal you can among the dealers. I personally would talk to them on the phone but not go to the dealership until you have made a deal. Make sure they email you the deal, with all the costs before you show up.
I don't think I would pay more than a couple of hundred over invoice. I love the XLE too but it is not a "rare" or hard to come by car. I had a dealer offer me an LE 4 cyl for invoice without hardly dealing at all. Remember their invoice will be a couple of hundred more than the Edmunds invoice. I don't think I would start the process until I was fairly close to being ready to buy.
Good luck.
Thank you for your replies. :-)
JBTurner,
I agree with you that the term "loaded" means different things to different people; it's definitely subjective. What I did was make a list of the specific options I wanted and priced them each individually, figuring with both the invoice *and* MSRP price.
When I e-mailed the dealers (all TWO of them, mind you), I included the itemized list of the options I'd like, so that when they gave me a quote it was based specifically on what I'd submitted to them, hence (at least the way I see it, and assuming I actually understand the term), I'm comparing apples to apples. :-)
Like I said in my initial post, this whole process is new to me - I'm pretty much flyin' by the seat of my automotive pants here - which is why I'm so grateful for having found this site. :-)
Since I won't be buying until January, I understand that I may not be taken seriously at this point - I mean, I know I'm serious, but how are they to know that? Perhaps I am jumpin' the gun a bit - maybe I should take a chill pill and wait a little while, eh? ;-)
The reason I opted to start this process now instead of later is that I felt it would behoove me to get all of my ducks in a row: I thought I'd line up the exact car, dealer and price before January, so that when January came I'd walk in, give them the check, sign the papers and drive off the lot. Guess this idea works better in my head then in real life.
So, Shasta 67, I think I'll take your advice and wait until I'm closer to actually buying. In the meantime, I'll continue perusing this site so that my information remains up-to-date and accurate. AND ... I'll compile a list of the dealers in my area and prepare to send them e-mails when the time comes. (Btw, what would make Edmund's invoice be higher than the dealer's?)
I appreciate your suggestion to call those who offer me the best deal so that they'll know I'm serious - I guess the old saying that $$ talks and B.S. walks couldn't be more applicable than when purchasing a car. :-)
I have excellent credit (I've already been pre-approved for a loan, though I'm not committed; I'll research the rates again in January and go with the lowest at that time), and I anticipate the only "challenge" of this process will be in actually finding the place to buy the car.
I've another question (I KNEW I'd have more than one): Since I know I won't be financing with the dealer, and I know I won't be trading in my current car (I LOVE my car and have no need/desire to get rid of it), is there a better time than another to divulge this information to the dealer? I mean, is this information best shared right off the bat, best held onto until further along in the process, or does it not matter either way?
Again, I thank you for the above responses, and I look forward to anymore input/information sent in my direction. Until then, I'll be keepin' my eye on these boards, that's for sure!
Sincerely,
Catherine
My friend purchased a Corolla last year and got a great price on it considering he had very bad credit because of a recent divorce. He did purchase an extremely overpriced warranty and I am sure that factored into the dealership giving him a great deal on the car. He was happy with the car but worried about the warranty so I just told him to cancel it. The dealership went ballistic. They called him up, demanded he bring the car back and cancel the deal. In the end there was nothing they could do. He had already bought the car.
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I have been at two dealerships...Dublin who gave me a quote of $29,000 and Concord who was at 27,986..... I didn't tell the other what the other quoted me...I just told them to give me your best deal......internet is the only way to go....I didn't want to was time getting jerked around.....the only problem is there isn't any SE with the items listed above.....That was what I was told from 9 dealers.......2 of which told me I was getting BS'ed in believing I would get the car at that price.....One of those quoted me $400 more in Burlingame and the other was 28,900 in Fairfield.......The guy in Vallejo got the car in Friday.....I went down and did the paper work......left and told him to detail the car and I would pick it up Saturday....I drove it home Saturday at 10am.......LOLOLOL
Edmunds.com wholesales this vehicle with the options listed above at $27,553......so I paid $433 over invoice.....the salesman told me he was making $33 dollars....I told him but your totals and your bonus for car sales probably look great....I really didn't car if he made any money......$33 dollars for walking me from the front door to the finance office was pretty good for 2 mins of work......I can just imagine how much he made on the sale before me and after....
1.572% over invoice.......Even on a 2007....on a car no one has.....in a color they told me everyone wants.....and the only reason this happened.....Just because one dealership didn't want the other one to get the sale......You gotta love that.....Thank you edmunds.com.......
I figured I would wait a month or so to try and buy one. I hope by that time there may be more available, I may know more about some of the problems they have been having and maybe work will calm down.
I am a little surprised the salesman only made $33 but the dealership still did ok. I would be interested in what rate you got on your loan too. They make money off of that too.
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I am new to this forum and i am not very sure of how to use the tools here. My need is to find out the best price quote anyone got / bought for a 2007 Toyota Camry CE with only Mats and no other options in DFW metroplex. Can you please let me know the price quote ? I can go for buying this car anytime as long as I can get a good price...I mean I can even wait till end of year 2006 if that is going to make a difference in the price offered.
Thanks
Mike
The SE features very from the US market but I got it with the Option C top of the line package which includes: Power moonroof, electrochromic rearview mirror w/ digital compass, heated front seats, leather, power passenger seats, dual illuminated vanity mirrors, garage door opener, and the basics alloy wheels, wheel locks, power driver seat w/ lumbar support, side skirt, 3-tilt steering, and fog lamp.
Price - $500 over invoice
INVOICE - 28107
28107+500 = 28607
+ 1240 (freight) + 100 (air tax) + 75 (fuel tax)
+85 - theft reg. program fee
subtotal - 30107 + 14% tax (GST+PST) = 34321 OTD
34321 CAD
Canadian Dollar
1 CAD = 0.8813 USD = 30246.7613 USD
United States Dollar
1 USD = 1.1347 CAD
so 30246.76 OTD US - What do you guys think? good deal?
Congratulations! What colour did you get?
Thanks for your input regarding the offering up of my not-trading-in/not-financing information. I've always believed it's best to be up-front, so this certainly is in alignment (no pun intended) with that philosophy.
As for financing, I'm not anti-dealer, not at all. I'm just anti-me getting screwed in the deal.
Regarding the warranty, when I read several of the posters here report that they're paying like HALF of what their dealership would have charged (for the SAME WARRANTY), well, that totally got my attention! I plan on looking into places like Midwest Superstores Toyota and Mechanicsville Toyota (translation: I'm going to shop around) before deciding - and since I now know I don't have to purchase a warranty at the same time I purchase the car, the stress of time is eliminated, which I totally dig.
I've read that the best times to buy a new car, in order, are: 1) end of the year, 2) end of the quarter, and 3) end of the month. Since option #1 is out of the question for me, I'm left with #s 2 and 3. I've been planning on buying in January, but after reading this I'm wondering if it might behoove me to wait until the end of the quarter.
I'm curious what the consensus here is: Would it be better to wait until March (end of the quarter), or would buying in January not be that much of a difference? And if in January, does it matter when in January? Ugh. So many questions....
This site - which includes each of you who contribute to these boards - has so much valuable information, and I can't imagine going through this process without it. Really. Information is key, and I'm so grateful to not have to go through this process uninformed.
Btw, congratulations to Killjoy and Zippi786 for your new cars! Very cool! I can imagine you're both very happy ... and drivin' in style. :-)
It's now back to football. It's a GREAT football day!
Catherine
I agree with you about being honest up front. I think that is why I tend to hate the traditional style of selling cars so much. It makes liars out of us all. I have a cousin that has a used car lot and I know many of the customers are just as dishonest as many of the dealers.
As far as January or March I really don’t know. I bought my last truck in March and got a great deal but I would guess January would be good too. I really doubt they will have huge discounts on the Camry’s until maybe the 08’s get ready to come out and then maybe not much then.
It seems from what you and others have said that since the Camry is such a hot item vehicle, it may not make that big of a difference as to when I purchase - the most important factor is being informed! Given this, I think (at least at this point) I'll plan for the end of January, which isn't end of quarter, but it *is* end of month.
Thanks again for your input. :-)
Catherine
I got metallic gray
I am a bit concerned though... I have the option to go tomorrow and can get LE with B pkg for 30,272 OTD. SE is a fine car, but am afraid about thefts... I've heard pple steal off parts, etc. I don't want to be with a new car with a stolen stereo.. so... am sleeping on this thought tonight...
Should I go with LE?? What say? Thanks!
zippyyyyyy :confuse:
i am new to Toronto so was wondering how bad the winter gets here? The dealer is trying to sell it to me for $800 for outer coating, inner leather coating, and some machine that they would install in the vehicle which will keep its shine. Do I need this to sustain the winter? anyone know? drjames?
Thanks!!
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As for the LE, really nice and plush. But that's the thing... the way the feedback and suspension feeling of the SE was a sure bet with me. I also have an RX and Boxter S. So, I love the taunt and tight feel, no? I traded in an old Avalon when I got the Camry and realized I was feeling old driving such a soft cruiser. That said... that's the bottom line I think in what car you should be choosing.... what type of ride and handling do you want? Moreover, I still wanted Leather, heated seats, and power moonroof... but is it worth the extra 4 grand to you? I though so!
As for stolen parts... I haven't heard of this yet and don't know where abouts you're at, but living downtown Toronto... there's alot more cars I'd be stealing if I were looking to do that.
Either way, I hope you enjoy your car as muxh as I have.... let me know what you're picking.