Honda Pilot 2003 through 2005

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  • mkayemkaye Member Posts: 184
    Funny thing, I believe if someone steals the on-star antenna, the thing is useless. There's some engineering for ya. So maybe you'd better carry some extra antennas around as well, or at least a coat hanger.

    EX vs. LX, ya, I think most will NOT find the LX's around, so the Pilot-MDX $$ spread is going to be a little thinner. Anyone who has a deposit on a Pilot have it on an LX or non-nav/res EX?

    And I'm not saying a thing about MSRP!
  • wmquanwmquan Member Posts: 1,817
    Is available in the EX, not in the LX.

    It's pretty easy to get aftermarketing window tinting done. Some prefer it to the factory job because they don't like the percentage tinting the manufacturer does (manufacturer generally has to go to a lowest common denominator for what is legal across all states -- and some folks get their windows tinted beyond legal limits).
  • gm_litogationgm_litogation Member Posts: 168
    If someone steals your tires your car is rendered useless.

    What is your point? Why would anyone steal an Onstar antenna??

    Many things in life are useless when stolen. Please explain to me why your statement has any bearing on the subject of Onstar?
  • zorglubzorglub Member Posts: 79
    You're right. You bought the right car. Would you mind proselytizing on other Pilot boards too? The more people you convert, the lesser the demand for the Pilot, and that's fine by me.
  • kinnmankinnman Member Posts: 52
    What's your mission on this board? Amusement or ego? Perhaps you're denying your desire to actually purchase a Honda...anyways, your comments are fair and I'm not trying to offend.
  • tidestertidester Member Posts: 10,059
    We're getting a little carried away with the personal attacks.

    Don't forget, we can always simply scroll past those posts we don't want to read and we're not obligated to respond to those that are clearly argumentative!

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  • hlzhlz Member Posts: 13
    The 2002 MDX w/ "touring pkg" is going for a whopping $37,800 MSRP; adding navigation adds $2,000 - all according to a PA Acura dealer I called tonight w/ none on the lot but a few extra 2002 cars coming in July. That's a BIG difference compared to $32,500 for the Pilot EX-Navi - my decision on the Pilot is sealed.
  • suvweeesuvweee Member Posts: 21
    is free the first year but costs a minimum of $200/year after that. Doesn't seem worth it when you can use your cell phone and get towed for $50.

    BTW, my Pilot is going to be built this Sunday and I should have it about 1 week later. It's a redrock pearl EX. Can't wait!
  • mkayemkaye Member Posts: 184
    You are going to get your Pilot before the official release date of June 3rd? Cool!
  • gm_litogationgm_litogation Member Posts: 168
    Wham!!

    Someone proposed Odyssey or Pilot, considering the price difference and the abilities of the very good Honda van I would take the van.

    That's where I started, somebody got mad, so I told a joke. Now you are all slamming me. Oh well I'm here to stay. Keep making dumb comments about my car or myself, it just helps further my resolve.
  • suvweeesuvweee Member Posts: 21
    That's what they're telling me. They said delivery is usually 7-10 calendar days but they've seen as little as 2 days. I'm in Buffalo so we're pretty close to the assembly plant.
  • detteddetted Member Posts: 10
    Not sure why to justify for others what to get. This is what I am looking for:

    1. family capacity
    2. high seating
    3. ground clearance > 7"
    4. AWD

    Which one will fit the need is clear.
  • rms41rms41 Member Posts: 80
    Picked up a brochure today. They just came in. About the only thing in it that wasn't known by most of us is a list of dealer-installed options. They include rear back-up sensors, fog lights, cargo tray, cargo-area bicycle attachment, running boards, rear view camera (if you have Navi), and a few other things. I switched my order to a black EX (previously had a white one with leather) as there are no seat heaters and $1300 is too much, IMO, for them as the leather, if it's like my wife's Acura TL, is fairly thin. Delivery date is June 3rd.
  • gm_litogationgm_litogation Member Posts: 168
    I know the perfect vehicle to meet those needs and on average it's cheaper than the Pilot, it also gets better gas mileage and it's quieter. Although I'm not going to say it cause all these Honda people will get mad at me.

    Oh ya and the company that makes it has a higher quality rating than Honda and is just as reliable too!

    I'll give you a hint...... Famous golfer endorses it!
  • suvweeesuvweee Member Posts: 21
    was given bails of money to endorse a vehicle he would never choose to drive.
  • odyorpiodyorpi Member Posts: 3
    Can someone who has the brouchure tell me what the exterior/interior color combinations there are. There has been some conflicting information out there. Thanks
  • gm_litogationgm_litogation Member Posts: 168
    Correct me if I'm wrong, but aren't all famous celebrities paid big bucks to endorse products?
  • suvweeesuvweee Member Posts: 21
    That is the point. They are paid to say what the payor wants them to say. Value of statement, $0.
  • varmintvarmint Member Posts: 6,326
    As posted elsewhere... Please dont feed the trolls.


    WEll, MSRP is higher than I was hoping. Gives the dealer too much of an advantage when starting negotiations. Still not a bad price for what you get, but I was hoping to steal one of these. :-(


    AW has a quick and dirty review.


    And the press pics at the Wieck site are more entertaining than I expected.

    image

  • wmquanwmquan Member Posts: 1,817
    "The 2002 MDX w/ "touring pkg" is going for a whopping $37,800 MSRP; adding navigation adds $2,000 - all according to a PA Acura dealer I called tonight w/ none on the lot but a few extra 2002 cars coming in July. That's a BIG difference compared to $32,500 for the Pilot EX-Navi - my decision on the Pilot is sealed."

    It is a big difference. However, you can buy an MDX Premium with the Navigation package and the difference is not as much. Though the difference -- $4,220 -- is certainly significant.
  • gm_litogationgm_litogation Member Posts: 168
    I was just giving a hint without actually stating what vehicle it was.

    Understand?

    I don't care who speaks for what. It doesn't really matter I was just helping the guy out. The vehicle does meet his criteria, and it is a better value than the Pilot.

    Gotta problem with that? Tell Honda.....
  • nhnewbienhnewbie Member Posts: 8
    GM_litigation you are adding nothing to this board. Those of us on this board are here to learn more about the Pilot specifically and aren't interested in hearing about your valueless commentary about golfers endorsing other products. If you prefer GM products, fine, that's your prerogative, so please go to that respective board. We will all be the better for it.
  • mkayemkaye Member Posts: 184
    LOL, I can see the photogs, "If we take the picture but don't tell them the thing is stuck in the hole..." :-)


    That picture is great, had to save that for my stack.

  • suvweeesuvweee Member Posts: 21
    Nice picture. Although I have no intentions of going off-road with it that picture reminds me of some of the pot holes I'll have to navigate here ;-) I read in one of the Canadian reviews that they were able to open the doors when two diagonally opposed wheels were off the ground.
  • varmintvarmint Member Posts: 6,326
    The important difference between those pics is the suspension travel. Troop has way more wheel travel. Still it's nice to see that the Pilot doesn't fold up on itself. There are more here.
  • suvweeesuvweee Member Posts: 21
    goes for $26,900 but how much does this stripped down model go for?


    Pic

  • diploiddiploid Member Posts: 2,286
    Link doesn't work varmit.
  • suvweeesuvweee Member Posts: 21
    It worked for me. Try it again and wait a couple seconds.
  • mkayemkaye Member Posts: 184
    Or try not waiting for the site to redirect you, just click on the long link and it worked for me too.
  • varmintvarmint Member Posts: 6,326
    Suvwee - LOL. I just made that same joke on another forum.

    Dipliod - Sorry, the 115 character limit imposed by Edmund's software prevents a direct link. Try waiting, but, if that doesn't work, check properties and copy the URL int the browser.
  • diploiddiploid Member Posts: 2,286
    varmit- Sometimes (not all the time) you can go around that by posting the link, and click "check spelling" first, then click "post message."


    http://hondanews.com/Forms/honda/pilot/*ws4d-db-query-Show.ws4d?*ws4d-db-query-Show***002700***-wieck_media***%20-***honda/pilot(directory)***.ws4d?honda/pilot/results(r)_JPG.html

  • gam2gam2 Member Posts: 316
    This site is fun! I usually refrain from commenting on other boards but enjoy reading them
    (I own a 2002 Bravada). Most manufacturers can only dream of having their vehicles sell like the MDX and Pilot, for list price and above! Honda knows it's buyers well. I can't wait to see the posts once vehicles arrive at the dealerships.

    Oh yeah, one final thought (gm_litogation you listening?), if Honda puts out junk like my Bravada, they will be bankrupt in a year. More problems than my previous 6 vehicles combined and I've only had it 3 months (it's been out of service for 16 days so far).

    GAM2
  • homerghomerg Member Posts: 30
    Not feeding a troll here, just since it's been brought up. I'm personally going to have a tough time deciding between the Buick and the Honda. The Honda has the HP, resale value, and probably crash test results on it's side. It also will have more room between the rear seat and the rear glass than the Buick. I'm really concerned how the rear seat in the Rendezvous would hold up if hit hard in the rear. I believe that these both will be quality vehicles. I can't, however, believe that the market will perceive this and thus the Buick will not do nearly as well in resale as the Honda.

    The Buick has an extremely nice ride and is quiet, I of course haven't had the chance to drive the Pilot for comparison. I personally don't drive my vehicles where the Pilot's HP advantage will show. As long as I can get to 75, I don't care if it takes 3 seconds longer for one or the other. The Buick also will go for about 5K under sticker after rebate, so a CXL equipped similarly to an EX-L even with a sunroof should go for about $27K all said and done, vs $31K. It's just hard to find a CXL on the lot that they didn't put the stupid HUD and memory seats and sonic backup alarm that drive the thing up to where the price advantage for the Buick completely goes away.

    I've got a refundable deposit on a Redrock Pilot EX-L, and I've had great service from my CR-V. I've heard people say that the Pilot is nothing but a really big CR-V. We can only hope! But I still will have to at least give the Buick a chance and give both of them a drive.

    It would be nice if I could figure a total cost of ownership estimate for the Pilot, like Edmunds does for current vehicles.
  • kinnmankinnman Member Posts: 52
    If the Pilot holds it's value like the Ody, you'll more than get your $4k back. Pick any GM Minivan and check edmunds used car values. For example, a 1999 Ody EX vs a 1999 Olds Silhouette GLS extended. The base TMV's are $28,500 for a new Ody and $23,200 for the 1999. The Silo is $29,300 new and $15,300 for the 1999. $5300 in depreciation vs $14,000. hmmmmm, GM better start handing out $8700 rebates.
  • diploiddiploid Member Posts: 2,286
    If you need a poseur SUV that won't cross the Rubicon, but will serve your light duty "off-roading" needs (check out varmit's link for pics), the Pilot is the better choice.

    I think that and the prices separate the Pilot from the Buick. Other than that, it's all subjective (looks, 0-60 in 9 vs. 11 seconds, reliability).
  • locomolocomo Member Posts: 29
    I put down $500 on a EX-L for approximate June delivery. It was the color my wife wanted (Red) but I didn't want the leather. The sales agent said for sure it would come w/ heated seats and the 3rd row was leather, not vinyl. Oh, and it was going to be MSRP at around $29k. (EX was supposed to be $28k and LX $26k.) $30.5k is out of my price range, especially since I don't want the leather. (The base MDX can possibly be had for $34,700 at CarsDirect.com w/ the right zip code, but that's another story). So I want to go with the LX but the sales agent says the first shipment of 5 or 6 will all be EX. After that it's only going to be 10% LX. So for me, the LX is the ticket, but it might be a long wait.
  • wmquanwmquan Member Posts: 1,817
    How about trying another Honda dealership in your area? The sales agent you dealt with has already fibbed about the heated seats, leather third row, and pricing. The agent isn't likely to help you buy an LX then, especially if they're being produced in relatively lower numbers.

    One nice advantage of the Pilot over the MDX -- some folks have only one or two Acura dealerships near them. While many are good, some sure aren't, and you're stuck with them if you want the MDX. Meanwhile, one's likely to have significantly more Honda dealerships around.
  • curiousalsocuriousalso Member Posts: 6
    Anybody know of any dealership on the West Coast offering June pilots at MSRP? Or close? Some of the markups I'm hearing are truly jaw-dropping (although one dealer privately said they weren't getting offers over MSRP like they obviously expected). Thanks
  • paisanpaisan Member Posts: 21,181
    Haaaa love that pic. Show the lack of any articulation ont he vehicle! Also those hills don't look too bad, I shall go read the link now :)

    -mike
  • paisanpaisan Member Posts: 21,181
    in 9.3? The Trooper does it in 9.0 flat, thought it would have been quicker with the more powerful engine.

    -mike
  • woodard1woodard1 Member Posts: 37
    While I have listened, looked, and learned on this site. The info here is esp. wonderful. I just wanted to say I took my sales rep to lunch today. She informed me that she would not sell me my Pilot for MSRP, nope, BELOW MSRP!!! I'm so thrilled. Although she did'nt give me figures just hearing I'm not paying the dreaded sticker thrills me. My car build dates were 13th-19th of May. Which means my car sits and waits for me to love it! She said she could'nt SELL the car until the June 3rd release(that I told her about).HEHE But, I could take it on an extended test drive till June 3rd. I can't tell you all how excited I am. BTW mine car is a EX L RES Black. I have triplet 2yo girls and 9yo I'm hoping this car will be my ticket out of the minivan world for a while. I loved my Odsessey but with 4 kids we really don't get out a lot.lOL Wish me sweet driving dreams. Thanks to everyone on the board esp. info from Jerry, and Varmit. You shared wonderful accurate info.
  • varmintvarmint Member Posts: 6,326
    Paisan - "Honda lists 0 to 62 mph at 9.3 seconds."

    Them's thar be does metric seconds. =)
  • paisanpaisan Member Posts: 21,181
    Not that it matters, 9.0, 9.3 whatever the case. If I wanted quick acceleration, I'd get an S2000 or take out my subaru sports car rather than an SMV or SUV.

    -mike
  • bbnetbbnet Member Posts: 5
    I've got the 1st Silver EX L Res @ supposedly $ 895 over MSRP , A couple thousand either way doesnt really matter as they always try to manipulate the final lease # s . Anticipate a great residual on an '03. Anyone up to date on current money/lease factors ?
  • steverstever Guest Posts: 52,454
    Lots of great lease advice on the Smart Shopper board.

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  • david179david179 Member Posts: 6
    I have a question for all of you knowledgeable individuals out there... How would you choose between a Pilot (EXL) and a used MDX (base model + nav)that are about the same price (31K)?

    This is my predicament and I cannot decide. Any helpful thoughts would be appreciated. Thanks.
  • fedlawmanfedlawman Member Posts: 3,118
    TMV for a new Honda Odyssey EX-L is $30,100, not $28,500.

    TMV for a new Oldsmobile Silhouette GLS Extended is $29,300.

    Lets check your math using actual NADA resale values.

    New Odyssey EX/L - 30,100 + 8% Tax = $32,500
    1999 NADA Trade-in - $19,200

    New Olds GLS - 29,300 - $2000 rebate + 8% Tax = $31,500
    1999 trade-in - $15,300

    The Honda loses $13,300 and the Oldsmobile loses $16,200. Certainly something to consider, but the difference becomes insignificant if you lease or keep your car more than 5 years.

    Oh, and for $1000 less purchase price, the Oldsmobile comes with: power passenger seat, heated mirrors, wood trim, 2 driver seat memory, OnStar, and fog lights.
  • paisanpaisan Member Posts: 21,181
    Didn't realize it went to the Sillouette v. Oddy. At least keep it somewhat loosely related to the topic, like sillouette v. pilot

    -mike
  • fedlawmanfedlawman Member Posts: 3,118
    and the Odyssey is the Pilot's closest twin for comparing resale value.

    What's the problem?
  • 4apexs4apexs Member Posts: 36
    College Hills Honda now lists MSRP and Invoice $ for Pilot - http://www.collegehillshonda.com/2002.htm
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