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Land Rover Range Rover



  • I just bought my second pre-owned Range Rover, and I'm rather grateful that I can afford a three-year old Range Rover, especially since most of them have hardly been off-tarmac! I think it's good old supply-and-demand:

    Low Demand.
    The resale price I think plummets after factory warranty expires, usually after three years. Buyers shy away because of high cost of repairs without warranty coverage. Extended warranties are very expensive if you can find one. Historically, this had been the only reason for low resale prices, since Range Rovers were never high-volume sellers. However...

    High Supply.
    Before the Tech Bubble burst, Range Rovers were very popular, and so when they entered the used market after three or so years, there was a glut with few buyers in sight. Most ended up at dealer auctions which lowered their prices even more! Benefitting from these are those of us who can appreciate them for their off-road prowess and are not afraid to shop cheaply for parts and repair options.

    So there it is. I hope you choose to own one, as its rewards can be really amazing. To risk a cliche, it's like buying a thoroughbred used to pulling carts and taking it out on a race track. These trucks were "bred" to roam :-)

  • texbmwtexbmw Posts: 25
    Like the guy posting above, I am considering moving my wife from her Denali into a RR. Any thoughts on whether it it worth doing so in the 2004 model year to make sure we get the BMW drivetrain? Also, anyone have any compelling reasons to stay in the Denali?
  • tincup47tincup47 Posts: 1,508
    The BMW 4.4 engine and drivetrain was introduced with the 2003 Range Rover. Any 2003-04 Range Rover with a gasoline engine is equipped with this engine.
  • texbmwtexbmw Posts: 25
    Thanks for quick response. I think my previous question was phrased badly. My concern is the introduction of a different engine and drivetrain in the 2005 models. Do you have any reason to think a buyer would be better off in a 2004 model year with the BMW equipment, or in the 2005 model year with Ford/Jaguar equipment? As a side note, is it possible to have these serviced at a Ford dealership, or is Land Rover dealership required? Thanks again.
  • tincup47tincup47 Posts: 1,508
    The Range Rover is probably going to have the BMW engine until the next redesign. The current vehicle is a very good vehicle, I wouldn't mind owning one myself (a lottery win would be required for that to happen). No Ford dealership is going to know the first thing about Land Rover products, (unless they sell them alongside their products)there are little or no similarities. The same is true with Jaguar, even after over 10 years of Ford ownership.
  • texbmwtexbmw Posts: 25
    Thanks for the help. As a potential buyer, do any of you have comments on Texas dealerships? I have had some dealings with the Land Rover Dallas store and liked my salesman there. However, I am indifference if someone likes Austin, Ft. Worth or Houston better. Also, aside from the windshield issue mentioned above, does anyone have a compelling reason NOT to buy a 2004 RR? Thanks in advance.
  • I've had about 50 vehicles, including 1/2 dozen or so SUVs. After about 7500 miles including city, highway, mountain, and some fairly serious off-road driving, I have no doubt that the new Range Rover is, by far, the most amazing vehicle I've ever owned.

    I'm extremely nit-picky about things, and there are 5 or 10 minor items I would have done differently, but my only real complaint is that the overall ride quality is way too stiff. It makes the 5700+ pound RR handle extremely well on winding roads, but you should decide for yourself, on the roads you'll be using, if the stiff suspension is ok for you.
  • Tincup47,

    I shopped (what seemed like) every dealer in the entire state of Texas when I bought a '03 RR for my wife back in September. At the end of the day, I found the best deal at Autobahn Motors in Ft. Worth and I highly recommned them. Ask for Stan Langford if you decide to follow-up on my suggestion.

    Admittedly, I liked the sales guy at the Dallas store a lot more. However, they were too proud of their vehicles and wouldn't give me the deal I wanted. For me, it was was more important to get a great deal than it was to like the salesman.

    Although the Dallas and Frisco stores have the same owner and share inventory, the Frisco dealer offered a better deal on the EXACT same car than the Dallas folks. I shopped two dealerships in Houston, one in Austin (same owner as Dallas and Friso), and the dealer in San Antonio. I even checked out stores in Miami and Chicago during visits to those areas and none of them could give me a reason to make the trip. When the dust settled, Autobahn gave me the best deal.

    From a service standpoint, I haven't had much work done at either dealership. However, based on my (admittedly) few experiences with Dallas and Autobahn, my initial impression is that the folks at Dallas know more about the intricacies of the new RR than the folks at Autobahn. However, Autobahn seems to really go the extra mile to make sure you're satisfied and happy.
  • texbmwtexbmw Posts: 25
    I appreciate all the input. It will definitely make the experience easier. I would agree with the post about the Dallas store. The salesman was great, but very unwilling to bargain on the price. My mother-in-law bought her Discovery at the Cary, NC store and said they will bargain all day long. However, I don't think it would be enough to warrant a trip to NC to get one. Thanks again!
  • Scenario: Traveling to Philly from DC last thanksgiving, typical traffic of slow-fast-slow, weather was 60 degrees and dry, light wind. RR performed as usual...great. Upon returning to DC, wind gusts of up to 40-50 mph were experienced which seemed to cause a wind noise coming from the forward dashboard area. For what it is worth it had rained the night before. After realizing the noise was not temporary, I stopped to see if a leaf, twig or some other obstruction had lodged itself near the vents on the firewall and were causing a vibration and noise. No obstructions were found, but the foam behind the 2 inboard vents seemed to be deteriorating and had places where holes had developed. Could this have caused the noise along with the increased natural wind and wind created by the truck's travel? Sincerely KJ
  • Both my 1997 and 1999 Range Rovers had a windshield buzzing problem. The loud buzzing would start at a certain speed or from a gust of wind such as when a semi passed me going the other direction. Then the only way to stop it was to slow down until it quit.

    As far as this problem is concerned, there's no difference in your 2000 RR and the '97 and '99 I had.

    My dealer had the rubber strip at the top of the windshield re-sealed under warranty (they used an outside contractor that came to the dealership to do it) and the problem was completely fixed both times on both vehicles.
  • Thanks Outrigger, I still have a few days remaining on the warranty so I will get LR to re-seal the top windshield seal and see if that solves the problem. R KJ
  • texbmwtexbmw Posts: 25
    Anyone have any comments on what sort of price we should be willing to pay above invoice? Also, can someone give me a rundown on whether the Luxury Interior Package is worth the money over just the Heated Accessories Package? Thanks.
  • Has anyone noticed a slow oil seepage from somewhere under their 38A RR? (Wait, everyone probably has!) When changing the oil, I noted some oil sprayed onto the pan and heat shield and a very few drops of engine oil on the garage floor each time we park it. I have wiped the area many times to try to isolate the leak but cannot tell. The oil pools on the screws under the pan and on the plug but does not leak from the plug or filter. Dipstick levels are always full with no discernible change. Any thoughts on the source for the leak? Has anyone had any seals replaced under there? The car only has 25000 miles and is under warranty. Also, when we turn the car off it ticks for a minute and then stops. Is that a normal noise? This is my first RR and is somewhat different than my Disco in the odd noise category. Thanks for any input.
  • tincup47tincup47 Posts: 1,508
    I can't comment on pricing but I can let you know what you get with the luxury package. It includes everything in the heated accessory package along with upgraded leather trim and 14 way adjustable seats. This adds power headrest adjustment along with an additional backrest adjustment to the standard recline mode. This allows the upper part of the backrest to adjust up to 27 degrees forward of the lower part of the seatback for better upper back support and comfort. Of course the level of additional comfort is subjective and best judged by yourself. It may or may not be worth the additional cost to you.
  • I am the new owner of a 97 4.6 with 85k miles ( paid $13500). I like to know if you would invest the $2300 for a 12 months 12k that the extended warranty cost. Second is if there is any way of changing the original radio cassette for a in dash CD without loosing the steering wheel controls, Cd changer, and Harman K. Power amplified system. I think the radio is a Pioneer but I am not sure. The third question the pros and cons of the performance chips since they are so inexpensive.
  • tincup47tincup47 Posts: 1,508
    There are no Land Rover parts available to change to an in-dash CD player. The cassette radio used in that year Range Rover was a Clarion unit, not Pioneer. I can't imagine any gains from a performance chip for that vehicle would be worth the hassles it could introduce. It will not improve performance that much without improving the engine breathing. It would definitly not be recommended if you decide on an extended warranty.
  • Thank you Tincup for your answer, I wonder if I could fit any other 96/97 clarion cd/radio to the car. About the extended warranty Auto Advantage Inc. offers Do you consider it is worth the $2300 with a $200 deductible? I am scared with the electronic reliability issues I have read, is it that bad? I took the car to do a prepurchase inspection they told me every thing was ok, will I spend around $3000 in repairs apart for the maintenance?
  • escalada,

    I remember reading on the web site that you should figure on spending about $2400 per year on maint. & repairs for your RR. So, if you buy the extended warranty you WILL pay the $2300. If you don't, you MIGHT spend about the same amount.

    Look closely at the policy you're considering. One I looked at a couple of years ago would have cost about the same as yours, but buried in the print on back of the page was the statement that there was a $5000 limit on reimbursements!
  • I own an 03 Oxford Edition Range Rover and was curious with a problem I have while opening doors. If there has been a heavy downfall of rain, etc, I find that when I open the door, the water pours off of it, right onto the seat/chrome above where the seat adjust buttons are. I was curious as to whether anyone else had noticed this/possible solutions to this. Otherwise the car has been absolutely amazing, and we just took it out in the snow and it dominated everything on the road!
  • Dealer just confirmed no more BMW stuff in 2005.....two Jag engine options...normal V8 and supercharged V8. Also, say goodbye to the BMW comfort seat upgrade package. I'm glad I bought the 2004 RR!!!
  • texbmwtexbmw Posts: 25
    Anyone had any trouble fitting the rear facing Britax child seats into the 03 or 04 Range Rovers? I am a little concerned since Edmunds shows the rear legroom to be two inches less than the Discovery, which we had trouble getting the seats into previously.
  • mmb3mmb3 Posts: 1
    need advice whether to special order 2004 with oxford and 20" rims or wait for 2005 - the wait for special order is 3 months. please advise.
    are 20" rims good in snow? want to order silver with parch oxford / 20" rims.
    have 95 county lwb epsom with 59k miles -
    thx in advance.
  • I lubricated with BMW's GummiFledge the rubber seals all around the drivers door and windshield, but I still have a slight squeak that is completely eliminated when lowering ever so slightly the driver's window.

    Any thoughts?

  • Have any of you installed your front license plate, with the Land Rover supplied front holder? I haven't because I'm worried about drilling into the car. What are your thoughts? If you have a digital picture of your RR with the front plate, please email to me at


  • I have a 2004 RR.
    Does anyone else feel a slight vibration in the foot pedal/floor board, especially when the engine is under load, ie accelerating?
    To me it feels like the front differential.
    Any thoughts or opinions would be appreciated.

  • Once in a while, I would unlock the driver side door with the key (I don't have the remote clicker) and only the driver side door would unlock. When I open the door, the alarm would come on. I would close the door, wait for the alarm to end, then try again. Eventually, I'd turn the key and all the doors will unlock, and all is well. It's happened like twice this month.

    Anyone has seen this before? I'm thinking of turning off the alarm until I fix the problem, but I don't know of a switch that would disable the alarm.

    Thanks in advance!

    Los Angeles, CA
  • shredrca,

    I had a similar problem with my 99RR. The dealer's service dept. got into the doors and lubricated & adjusted the mechanisms. The problem was solved, and never returned the rest of the time I had the vehicle.
  • I had dealer take both front door panels off my 2004 RR to get rid of "creeks" in windows, same for me when window goes down 1/16" noise goes away. They put rattle tape everywhere...helped some...then I put Pupont Dry Teflon spray on outer edge of door window switch panel where it meets the thin black trim piece, let it sink in then wipe off more creeks.

    There is tech service bulletin for gas pedal with differential torque valves.
  • Hi how is everyone, new range owner here, name's Osman. Hope everyone is having a great holiday season.

    i just bought a 97 4.6hse, looking for a grille guard and cant seem to find it anywhere! is there anywhere else besides the dealer where I can purchase one? thanks.
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