Honda Odyssey: Problems & Solutions:(1995-2004 Models)

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  • grandtotalgrandtotal Member Posts: 1,207
    No damage done, do not give it a second thought.
  • cabaistecabaiste Member Posts: 31
    "What you posted immediately before this was basically you had a complaint about mileage being low and no one would magically fix it. I don't think that's a good case for "dreadful" customer service. You don't truly know even if anything is wrong, yet, as other posts have indicated."

    denver5357 - the dreadful customer service came about because Honda did NOTHING to investigate why I'm getting 13.5MPG combined on a 2005 Odyssey EXL thats rated 20/28. If I was getting anywhere close to 20 I would not complain. And I'm not looking for any "magical" fix as you put it. Just an attitude from Honda that they are willing to address the problem. All I got was "there is no problem". That IS dreadful customer service.

    Are you a Honda employee or vendor? You certainly are an apologist for this shameful lot.
  • innorristninnorristn Member Posts: 39
    I picked up my van Tuesday morning. I'm not yet convinced my rattle is fixed, but it's much better at this point.

    According to the service ticket, they found a loose weld in the sliding door, and to fix it they center punched the welds. My husband isn't sure this fix will last, since they didn't actually re-do the welds. Also, I still hear a little bit of noise as if the door still may not be completely tight in the frame.

    I also had a softer rattle/vibration that was apparently caused by a distorted interior trim panel on the same door. They apparently replaced this panel.

    Good luck to others of you with rattles/vibrations. Let's keep sharing fixes. I'll update this forum later if anything changes.
  • denver5357denver5357 Member Posts: 319
    "denver5357 - the dreadful customer service came about because Honda did NOTHING to investigate why I'm getting 13.5MPG combined on a 2005 Odyssey EXL thats rated 20/28. If I was getting anywhere close to 20 I would not complain."

    There are basically three possible reasons for your low mileage vs. EPA estimates. Either 1) you are driving the van in such a way as to reduce mileage way below estimates, 2) the EPA estimates are way too high for real world driving, or 3) there is something mechanically wrong with your particular van that is reducing mileage.

    I got the sense from your earlier posts that you just want the mileage fixed, darn the torpedos! If what you are saying is you suspect a mechanical reason for your mileage, and Honda won't discuss this with you or look at possible likely areas, then I see your point. But the way you wrote your e-mails seemed to me to indicate you really just wanted it somehow fixed regardless of possibilities 1 and 2. And there are some other posts here from people unhappy with their mileage, so you probably have seen you are not alone. I just pointed out that the reasons for low mileage vs. EPA are most likely not due to something being "wrong" with the van.
  • rakhirakhi Member Posts: 2
    Hi,

    I too have noticed a rattle in left passenger door in my 05 Honda Ody, specially while going over potholes. Let me know how it was fixed.

    Thanks,
    Rakhi
  • johnc19johnc19 Member Posts: 15
    I own a 2000 LX with 72K, and maybe my car is not representative of most newer Odysseys, but I have been happy with the gas mileage, as the vehicle always comes very close to the EPA ratings of 25/18. The lowest I have ever gotten was 17 MPG which was mostly stop and go driving during the winter. For regular suburban commuting that is an even mix of highway and city driving, I get 20 MPG. On longer trips on the interstate I get 25 - 26 MPG. My driving style is probably more conservative than most people as I don't gun the engine to accelerate or drive at higher speeds.

    If someone is getting much less than my mileage on a regular basis (ie. 14 - 15 MPG) there are several possibilities: (1) your driving style is more aggressive, (2) you may need to check the inflation of your tires, or (3) something mechanical is wrong with your vehicle.

    Before you conclude that something mechanical is definitely wrong with your vehicle, rule out the first 2 possibilities so your dealer can't say you're doing something wrong.
  • stevedebistevedebi Member Posts: 4,098
    "the dreadful customer service came about because Honda did NOTHING to investigate why I'm getting 13.5MPG combined on a 2005 Odyssey EXL thats rated 20/28. If I was getting anywhere close to 20 I would not complain. And I'm not looking for any "magical" fix as you put it. Just an attitude from Honda that they are willing to address the problem. All I got was "there is no problem". That IS dreadful customer service. "

    I owned the 2002 model before my current CR-V. I got 17-18 in town, 27 on the freeway. I changed out the car because it was just too big for me. Here is my input.

    1. It is quite possible that if you drive more conservatively, you will get better mileage. No jack-rabbit starts, easy on the accelerator.

    2. This is a heavy vehicle; try to time the stoplights so you don't have to accelerate all that metal from a standing start. The bottom line is that the laws of physics cannot be beaten; it takes energy to move mass, and the heavier the mass, the more energy it takes. The EPA tests are conducted on a test stand, if I recall, to see what the engine can do.

    3. On my two Odysseys and my current CR-V, mileage increased after 2500-5000 miles. The engine took a while to achieve maximum MPG.

    As a comparison, my CR-V (2.4L) got between 17.5-20.0 mpg in town; with the new techniques, my city mileage is generally over 21 (highway is unchanged at between 25-30, depending on speed). Actually, I think of it as a kind of game, a challenge to do the best conservation techniques while still not annoying anyone by moving too slowly or out of synch with traffic.

    It is not unusual for driving style to affect MPG; some Prius (Toyota Gas/Electric Hybrid) owners are getting 34 MPG, others over 50. Same car and conditions, different driving emphasis.
  • nwngnwng Member Posts: 663
    I also have it in the driver side sliding door. It happens only when i go over a really bad pothole or patch, it sounds like metal to metal contact but not loud.
  • cabaistecabaiste Member Posts: 31
    "I just pointed out that the reasons for low mileage vs. EPA are most likely not due to something being "wrong" with the van."

    There is clearly something wrong with a van that is rated at 20/28 EPA and gets a combined highway/local of 13.5MPG. I asked honda to investigate mechanical issues with the engine and they refused. I have owned Volvos, BMWs, and Toyotas and have achieved mileage with all that either came within a mile or so of EPA mileage oe in the case of the Toyota, exceeded it. Therefore I can safely assume that my driving style is not one that will cause mileage to drop markedly. As to the whole theory that the EPA is to blame - Honda is making prominent display of the fuel saving technology in their new VCM equipped Odyssey - they are publicising the EPa mileage, so they should be willing to stand behind it, however flawed people like you think it is for real world driving. But of course they are unwilling to stand behind it when users observe chronic mileage such as my 13.5 MPG.

    You didnt answer my question from the last post - do you work for Honda or a Honda vendor?
  • skysaabskysaab Member Posts: 32
    It's good to see the most problem issue is the lowe MPG concern.
  • stevedebistevedebi Member Posts: 4,098
    "As to the whole theory that the EPA is to blame - Honda is making prominent display of the fuel saving technology in their new VCM equipped Odyssey - they are publicising the EPa mileage, so they should be willing to stand behind it, however flawed people like you think it is for real world driving."

    Manufacturors are required by law to post the EPA numbers, which also include a statement that "your mileage may vary". So Honda has no choice but to "publicize" the EPA readings.

    The fact that your driving style did not affect other models and brands is irrelevant. If would appear that Honda engineering is geared towards a different driving style than you use. That is not a problem with the vehicle, just a problem between the vehicle design and you as an individual driver. Thus others achieve higher MPG.

    Of course, there could be something wrong with the car, but unless you are willing to try adjusting your driving style, Honda is going to simply hook it up to the diagnostic machines, receive no error codes, and give the car back to you as "working as designed". If you try and adjust your style and don't get any different results, you will have eliminated that as a factor.
  • dsrtrat2dsrtrat2 Member Posts: 223
    I'm on my third ODY and have gotten EPA MPG consistently on all of them. I would like to see posts from people getting near the EPA numbers, as I'm seriously considering NOT to buy the '05 especially the VCM engine.
  • rockycow33rockycow33 Member Posts: 76
    I own a 99 Ody and generally get at least 18 mpg in town. On the road it depends on vehicle speed, 21.5 to 27. I am really puzzled by the mileage posted by owners of the VCM Ody's. The posting for the EX's seem to be significantly higher. I'm hoping it is a break-in problem, but the postings are significantly lower than EPA.
    I drove the new EX-L and was not impressed with the seating comfort. The Sienna trumps the Ody in seating comfort based upon my short drives of both vehicles.
    I was all set to buy a new ody but the drive and mileage postings have turned me off.
    Being an old guy, I appreciate comfort on long trips so I think I may end up with a Sienna but not until I lurk around the Sienna boards for a while.
    Hopefully, the new Odys will come around and be closer to EPA.
    Happy motoring
  • cabaistecabaiste Member Posts: 31
    Okay, to be clear here - I am a steady driver, been driving may different cars over the years - dont gun the car at takeoff, accelerate modestly, keep the revs down (and now I've even got the idiot "ECO" light on the odyssey to let me know when the engine is running efficiently). And still I get 13.5MPG. I've done all my diligence in ensuring that my driving style would not reasonably prejudice the mileage (you can generate all the absurd arguments you want that this is not the case). At the end of the day this van is getting the worst mileage I've ever gotten.

    Now as to publication of EPA results, I know that Honda has to publish these numbers. What they do not have to do is boast about the improved fuel economy in their print advertising and marketing materials. Even their website boasts under the Odyssey home page "Odyssey achieves highest fuel economy in its class". They are not unwillingly publicising EPA numbers. Its one of their biggest marketing tools. And if they're using it as such, they should be willing to stand behind their product and investigate problems when they occur - and clearly on these boards there is an epidemic of 2005 Ody owners getting nowhere close to the published and Honda MARKETED mileage numbers.

    Never again Honda.
  • isellhondasisellhondas Member Posts: 20,342
    Why aren't the others here complaining about getting 13.5 MPG?

    Something doesn't seem right here?
  • lumbarlumbar Member Posts: 421
    IMO, that was his original point. This started out with him (or her)trying to get the dealer to look at the individual van on the theory that something did not seem right.

    The question would seem to be why it is any more likely that his "driving style" is the culprit as opposed to to a problem with the -particular- van.
  • pat60pat60 Member Posts: 2
    Thanks for the info....better my pride be damanged than my car. Hopefully that was my one and only stupid mistake for the year.
    And no, the turn signal was not on.
  • isellhondasisellhondas Member Posts: 20,342
    Well, how and where a car is driven is, by far, the most important factor when it comes down to gas mileage. I think we would all agree on that.

    Same applies to brake and clutch life. Of course, I've never once heard anyone admit that just maybe they are a hard or abusive driver.

    If this 13 MPG is CONSISTANT, something is amiss.
  • just4fun2just4fun2 Member Posts: 461
    If your state has an EPA emission testing facility, take it to them and have them run it through the emission test. If you are only getting 13 MPG the engine would have to be running "rich" and the engine should have a hard time passing the emission test. If it fails the emission test take it to Honda and let them get it in compliance with the EPA or else.

    This shouldn't cost you much for the EPA test and Honda will have to fix your Ody for "free" or use the "lemon" law.

    Good Luck.
  • robr2robr2 Member Posts: 8,805
    Also, keep in mind that Honda's typically take a while to read maximum MPG. Check again at 5K and 10K to see if it improves. If not, then ask the dealer to check it. Further, is oxygenated fuel in use where you live? I don't believe the EPA takes that into account. Do you do much idling ie warm up time?

    Good luck.
  • joytjoyt Member Posts: 1
    I just filled up my 05 EX L for the first time. Around town in hilly western PA I averaged over 18 mpg. Sounds pretty good to me.
  • isellhondasisellhondas Member Posts: 20,342
    I can't explain why this happens but for some reason, hondas get better mileage after several thousand miles.

    Of course, I'm one of those people who rarely if ever bother checking my mileage. I figure it's going to get whatever it gets.
  • user777user777 Member Posts: 3,341
    i would purchase a digital tire pressure gauge and check the pressures in all four tires cold, then compare the readings to the recommended inflation pressure on the door jam. if i were low on tire pressure, i'd expect a hit on MPG. if they were low - i'd inflate to the recommended pressure, maybe a 1 or 2lb more (making sure i didn't exceed the rating on the sidewall of the tires themselves). i'd run a full tank of gas and see if my mileage appreciably improved.

    if not - then i would do as you have been advised and attempt to determine if the vehicle is running rich, has a marginal CAT convertor, or something else in the emissions control system or other is amiss that could be contributing.

    if my Honda dealership would not support the investigation, i'd go the independant route after documenting the situation in a letter to HOA and my dealership - then if something was amiss - i'd press HOA and the dealership to cover the diagnostics and any parts/labor involved.

    good luck.
  • denver5357denver5357 Member Posts: 319
    I think lots of people gave good answers about mpg and driving habits, so I will stick with this comment to reply to:

    "As to the whole theory that the EPA is to blame - Honda is making prominent display of the fuel saving technology in their new VCM equipped Odyssey - they are publicising the EPa mileage, so they should be willing to stand behind it, however flawed people like you think it is for real world driving."

    Interesting reasoning, if odd. If EPA is reasonably right, then Honda would emphasize the EPA results as every other carmaker does. If EPA is so far off that many drivers get (as you seem to) about HALF of EPA numbers, then Honda will hear of this and will likely investigate and deemphasize mileage. You are saying Honda would knowingly emphasize EPA mpg results which are way off. How long do you think any car company could do that before they ended up paying a big price for it? Wouldn't make much sense. You seem to see evil where there is none.
  • fezofezo Member Posts: 10,386
    This goes back a whole bunch of posts - even further than rorr and the driving 300 miles with the turn signal on.

    Actually it's about the clock light. Someone had posted about their clock light being out and ended up just giving a little pop nest to it on the dash and back on it came.

    I am here to report that it must be genetic because my clock light went out, I remembered the post, gave a little flick of the finger near the clock and the light's back on.

    Weird.
    2015 Mazda 6 Grand Touring, 2014 Mazda 3 Sport Hatchback, 1999 Mazda Miata 2004 Toyota Camry LE, 1999.
  • ti48ti48 Member Posts: 14
    I've just purchase an Odyssey for 2 weeks. And have noticed some oil leak. Why do new cars leak oil?
  • williams3williams3 Member Posts: 5
    If you're truly getting 13.5 mpg, then something definetly is wrong. It would surprise me though that you don't get a "check engine" light if something mechanically is amiss. Anyway, I'm curious how the engine power feels and what kind of highway mileage you're getting. I didn't go back too far through the posts so sorry if you've answered this already. I've found writing a letter to the service manager and sales manager of the dealership goes a long way towards getting more action from the service department. When things get put in writing, people start getting nervous because these things find their way going up the ladder. If you still aren't satisfied, write a letter to American Honda ... I think there is info on who to contact in the owner's manual. Please let us know on what you find out.
  • williams3williams3 Member Posts: 5
    Your new car shouldn't leak oil. Take it to the dealer immediately before serious damage results.
  • leon111leon111 Member Posts: 5
    Well, lots of good advice posted. Here are my inputs. You may need a comprhensive approach to this. First, check the technicals like the tire pressure, time spent warming up the engine (if any), time spent ideling the engine (if any), roof mounted attacehments (if any), check for leaks and smells of gas under the van, proper size, condition and tread of tires and altitude (if a potential factor) - then document these checks and findings. Second, run a controlled test drive with a witness, written diary and / or video record. Pick a time when the local highway has little traffic. Then see if you can drive at a cruise controlled speed of 50 - 60 mph for a good distance (I would drive at lease 100 - 200 miles). Then check your results. Thrid, if your "test drive" results are still at the 13.5 mpg send a letter, certified mail, return recipt requested, to the dealer service manager, the regional Honda HQ and main Honda Corperate HQ. Explain that you need Honda to fix the problem or you will be forced to take administrative and / or civil action. You may have a civil action against them or a claim under the lemon law. You should also study the Attorney General's web site for your state or call them (consumer fraud division that most have)and study your state's lemon law. The key point is, of course, to nail down that it is the car, not you who are responsible for the bad MPG. I think you may have a claim under contract law, the lemon law and possibly a fraud claim in that you paid for a car that is advertised as getting 28 MPG and you are getting 13.5 mpg. Thats too big a difference to be legit. If you are getting controlled drive MPG of say, 17, 19 or 21 or so, I could see an argument that that is resonably close to EPA MPG, but not 13.5 (assuming your car is in proper operating condition and you are driving as reasonably as you state). Then, if Honda does nothing, if you don't want to hire a lawyer, consider filing a claim under the lemon law of your state (assuming it has one) and filing a complaint with the Attorney General of your state.
  • dtownfbdtownfb Member Posts: 2,918
    I'm new to this site. It sounds like you take drivie responsibly. Before writing off your Honda, get a small notebook to keep in your car to check the mileage. It's very simple process that can tell you a lot about your vehicle. Simple have a column in for "date", "Odometer reading", "miles driven", "Gallons of gas" and "MPG".

    I'm not sure how many miles are on your vehicle or where you live but it does take an engine a few thousand miles to break in. I experieinced this with my Quest. Winter driving cost you several mpg .

    Also I noted on another forum, that you are asking a 4600 pound vehicle to get 27-28 mpg on he highway. That is some engineering!!!
  • sportymonksportymonk Member Posts: 258
    Driving style must be kept open as an option but it seems to me that if it was driving style, there would be others who drive in a similar manner who would get similar mileage. There are a lot of Odys out there and although there are a lot of different conditions and manners to drive, there would seem to be at least a few with close or similar mileage for driving style.

    The dealer ought to at least give it a good look.
  • sportymonksportymonk Member Posts: 258
    This forum has really helped me. I went back and looked at the Pilot and Ody again. Bottom line was that after much adjusting of seat and steering wheel and seat back, I did find a sort of comfortable position for driving buy the Pilot was still much more comfortable. The lower back where the lumbar support is was (made sure it was fully retracted) is very firm. I don't think it would become as uncomfortable as some have experienced but it was not what I would want for a long ride. Did seat problem postings here influence me? Don't think so although it is possible. I think if the Ody had a telescoping wheel it would have been more comfortable. There is a definite difference between the Pilot and Ody.
  • brownjbrownj Member Posts: 3
    Post #113 by gleamc described a way to circumvent the safety feature of a 2000 Odyssey so the motorized sliding doors could be opened without having to put the vehicle in Park. I would like to do that with my 2004 Odyssey. Is it possible to get detailed instructions for my vehicle? My youngest child is 14 so we really don't need that particular safety feature and it is such a nuisance.
  • ody2005exody2005ex Member Posts: 2
    We bought a 2005 Honda Odyssey EX from Team Honda Colorado Springs on Saturday (March 12th). Our Slate Green EX was still "shrink wrapped" and the dealer handed the keys to us a few hours later, after prep.

    We inspected the EX, shook hands and as I was backing up, I heard a "metallic clank" (more tin-ish) from the front right wheel. I immediately yelled at my salesman who came running. The service department quickly diagnosed the problem "... found backing plate missing 2 bolts, replace and torque all bolts to factory specs...". That was Problem # 1.

    Yesterday (Sunday, March 13th) was no greater than 35 degrees F and the right passenger door failed to open after repeated attempts. Specifically, the right passenger door would initiate/open an inch, then stop, sound a "3 soft beep" warning - then the door would re-close/re-seal. This behavior occurred using either dash panel control or remote key fob. I was able to manually open the door. The child locks were disabled. That is Problem # 2.

    Today is Monday and the EX is in the shop. What a bad joke. What's friggin next???
  • shootmealreadyshootmealready Member Posts: 2
    I have recently purchased an 2005 Odyssey EX-L and have been averaging just under 20 mpg. I am not thrilled with this realization. I live in a very rural area with highway driving being the norm. There is one stop sign between home and town. That is 13 miles to town thru Illinois flat farmland. My eco light is on more than off when driving on level ground 55-60 mph. Is there anyone getting 28 miles per gallon comuting via American highway in a new 2005 Honda Odyssey with variable cylinder management ??
  • sportymonksportymonk Member Posts: 258
    For my $.02, it appears the Odys with the VCM are not getting the EPA mileage they are supposed to get but rather are getting close to the other Ody engine rating of 17/21. It appears to me that the variable cylinder technology is having little to no effect.
  • oly44011oly44011 Member Posts: 11
    Any luck with your rear sliding door rattle?
    We just pick up our 05 ex-l-res and have the same problem.
  • stevedebistevedebi Member Posts: 4,098
    ". I think you may have a claim under contract law, the lemon law and possibly a fraud claim in that you paid for a car that is advertised as getting 28 MPG and you are getting 13.5 mpg. Thats too big a difference to be legit. If you are getting controlled drive MPG of say, 17, 19 or 21 or so, I could see an argument that that is resonably close to EPA MPG, but not 13.5 (assuming your car is in proper operating condition and you are driving as reasonably as you state). Then, if Honda does nothing, if you don't want to hire a lawyer, consider filing a claim under the lemon law of your state (assuming it has one) and filing a complaint with the Attorney General of your state."

    You will never win a lawsuit on EPA mileage alone. The EPA itself says that "mileage may vary". The EPA figures are not requirements that the car must meet. If such a suit got to trial, Honda would simply show the EPA figures, calculated by the US Governement, and explain that he vehicle in question had been extensively tested and found to be normal. Honda (or any other car manufacturor) makes no definitive claims as to the mileage their cars will receive. If I remember correctly, the EPA actually prevents them from posting their own mileage estimates. You have to prove there is something wrong with that particular vehicle to get a lemon law replacement.
  • chivazochivazo Member Posts: 6
    Problems are reported on 1999-2003 Oddyseys. Specially transmission recalls!!!HONDA IS NOT GIVING EXTRA WARRANTY ON THIS MESS!!!!
  • chivazochivazo Member Posts: 6
    I received a recall on my 2003 Oddyssey. They drop my tranmission and inspected the second gear. Apparently there is not enough lubrication going to this gear and in end up with transmission failured. I had an external electric pump installed to push more transmission fluid to the gear. I am very disturb about Honda not providing extended warranty on their mistake!!! I just put a complaint to Honda Customer relations and I am pushing for extended warranty on the transmission, at least to 50,000 miles or 5 years. Have anyone had this problem or talk to Honda about this messs??
  • brc3brc3 Member Posts: 13
    I have a 2000 LX Odyssey. Honda gave me an extended warranty on my trnasmission. I think it is for 7 years or 70,000 miles. From my experience, HONDA DOES GIVE EXTENDED WARRANTYS.
  • rob33rob33 Member Posts: 2
    I purchased a 2004 ODY LX in Jan/05, and after driving for 2 1/2 months, I have developed backpain in the lower back, as well as muscle tightness in the upper back while driving. This was not noticable during the test drive phase. (I had driven a Chrysler Dodge Caravan for the last 9 years with no back problems.) I have tried all manual adjustments, tried a full Obusform back support (pushes you too far forward in the seat), and am now using a smaller Obus lumbar support which only helps a bit. The upper back muscle strain seems to be created by the way the seat dips in at the top. Many passengers have commented that the seats are too firm, and not comfortable at all. Should I consider trading up to a 2005? The dealer has been no help on this. They claim there have not been any complaints about their seats. Any suggestions or comments? I am getting desperate.
  • chivazochivazo Member Posts: 6
    Did you pay for this extended warranty or they offered to you? As far as I know only 1999 to 2003 models have this transmission problem. I will post the answer from Honda Client Relations when I hear back from them. I would like to hear from other people with this headache. I'm about to trade-in this car.
  • brc3brc3 Member Posts: 13
    Honda GAVE me the extended warranty on the transmission and I did NOT even ask for it.
  • jipsterjipster Member Posts: 6,299
    I would think again about trading up .Most of the posts I have read about Ody seat discomfort has been on the 2005 model.Go back on this board and read prior posts about seat discomfort.May find some useful ideas.
    2021 Honda Passport EX-L, 2020 Honda Accord EX-L, 2011 Hyundai Veracruz, 2010 Mercury Milan Premiere.
  • innorristninnorristn Member Posts: 39
    Less than a week after I picked up my van from the sevice department to get the door rattle fixed, I had another problem.

    My spoiler has come loose. I found it when I opened the tailgate door because the spoiler made an awful sound as it rubbed against my roof, and two plastic connectors fell out.

    My service rep said they have had similar problems with Pilot spoilers. Anyone else have this problem with their 05 Odyssey?
  • avarkeyavarkey Member Posts: 15
    I picked up Odyssey EX-L last night and I noticed Beverage holders in between the driver and passenger seats rattles while driving over rough road. Is there some thing I need to tighten up ? The first 50 mile ride was not really smooth and it was kind of jerky over all.
  • gregoryc1gregoryc1 Member Posts: 764
    I don't know about Honda Customer Service, but our Honda dealer in New Jersey is "Outstanding" in both their sales process and their service department. My wife and I deal with one sales person, and one service writer on a continuous basis. We make it a point to try to schedule regular service appointments one month in advance, if possible. (They have a "loaner car program"). If we run into an emergency situation, they have always managed to deal with the issue. We are driving Hondas today because of the way we are treated.
  • dulnevdulnev Member Posts: 652
    "Why aren't the others here complaining about getting 13.5 MPG?

    Something doesn't seem right here?"

    What's not right is that you're conveniently ignoring other posts about this problem. I've posted a number of times that I'm getting 14 mpg with Touring!
  • li_285li_285 Member Posts: 29
    I bought my 2005 EX less than 3 months ago in the Bay Area and I have already been back in the dealer 4 times! This is the first time I bought a Honda and it has been a bad experience. Really a joke the "quality" image Honda is promoting.

    During all 4 times they had to adjust my front driver door to get it both properly aligned and easier to close (still not that easy but I give up). I have been experiencing some sharp chirping noise from the front suspension area (mostly driver side) for the past month, when driving on bumpy or bouncy pavement. I asked the dealer to check that last time. They tested drive with an electronic ear and could not find the reason. So they told me to come back when the noise would get worse. Now things seemed to get worse as I sometimes hear the noise constantly. I am thinking going back to the dealer but am afraid to waste another day there. Has anybody experienced similar things? Does anybody know what could have caused this? The technician told me it should not be a safety issue but I am still concerned given I have my two babies on board during the weekends.

    I also had a rusty spot on the side for no reason. The dealer just touched up some paint.

    In terms of gas milage, my EX gives about 18 to 20 MPG for a combined city/free way driving. I am not satisfied but that is not my major concern now.

    I really wish I had bought a Sienna.
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