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Jetta has 34 c.f., Twareg has 31.3.
In the CR car issue is a really interesting article on cargocapacity of SUV's wagons etc. Turns out the Passat wagon maximum rectangle size is only minutely bigger than a Jetta.
It remains to be seen (at least by me since I haven't been able to make it to any car show that has shown it) what the usable cargo capacity really is.
mike
> article in theri SUV buying guide.
OK, I looked at the article. It basically proves my point. The "usable" cargo capacity of the Passat exceeds that of the Pathfinder despite the fact that the volume measurements of the Passat (as supplied by VW) are significantly less than Nissan's published numbers.
Since the Touareg isn't out, and since I've only seen VW's published number, it remains to be seen what the "usable" cargo capacity of the Touareg is.
mike
seriously - expensive to fix, poor reliability, etc.
Isn't this STILL the case with VW?
“47 grand for a VW? Aren't VWs still "pieces of cr*p?"
seriously - expensive to fix, poor reliability, etc.
Isn't this STILL the case with VW?”
How way off! 5 years into a 98 Passat, never one single complaint, the 1,8 turbo 5 spd is just as sweet as day one, one thing for sure the interior quality of the materials is first class, nothing to envy to a 100k car.
Some trivia, the 1,8 engine won at Le Mans twice in the LMP 675 class, 500hp for 24hrs is not a bad engine, he?
It was the V8 ... very nice rig.
A lot easier to get in/out than the Infiniti FX45.
But I was surprised there was less leg-room in the back seat of the Touareg than in a Passat.
Its easily a better buy than the Cayenne, or even BMW X5, but my wife has an order in for a new Passat TDI wagon whenever they arrive ... its a lot of car for the money compared to these SUVs!
And if I wanted to go upscale, that W8 wagon was really sweet ... the E-class (at $15k more) doesn't have a V8 option, and the 540i wagon (at $16k more) doesn't offer 4WD. The S6 Avant is divine, but its $20k more than its VW twin!
As far as long-term value, the All-road is amazing. Last time I looked at used values the lowest-priced car was still worth 90% of what it cost new after 2 years and 35,000 kms! Is there a Japanese car built that holds its value like that?
Thanks.
Steve, Host
Touaregs being delivered this June/July will be V6 & V8...
New they were about CDN$60k
Cheapest used one I found was $54k (at a dealer)
But there isn't as much selection here in Canada, and depreciation may be different than in the US.
VW/Audi has higher demand in Canada which could lead to shortages of new vehicles, driving up used prices.
(For example, Jetta TDI wagons are very scarce here on dealer lots ... but popular on the road)
Does anyone else foresee a day when SUV prices plunge as people wonder: "What was I thinking?" ?
Actually, it you listened to HALF the stuff on these message boards, you could never buy ANY car!!
:-)
A friend of mine has a Gold TDI, and he is in Calif., so why no V10 TDIs?
as opposed to end of Q1 2004 for thr rest of you...
will include most everything but a few accessories such as these...also On Star is available as an option...
Trailer towing!
The Touareg will tow 3500 KGs (7700 pounds).
The Lexus RX300 (a bloated Camry) will tow only 3500 pounds.
The Touareg's towing capacity blows away the competitors. Throw in Diesel economy and longevity, (with better ride/handling than truck-based options like the Excursion) and I think you'll see them pulling expensive travel trailers and boats and horse trailers. Hell, compared to a Range Rover (the favoured horse puller for the equine crowd) its a bargain!
For example, Nissan claims that the cargo capacity of a Pathfinder is about 84cubic ft. In actual everyday use, my brother's Passat wagon can actually carry more than my Pathfinder since the cargo area is squared out. The Pathfinders wheel wells cut into the cargo area reducing the width of items that you can carry to about 38", but since the overall size of the car is larger, it has a larger measured cargo area.
I've only seen a couple of places that have attempted to standardize on "usable cargo capacity", which I believe better reflects a car's load capacity. Until we can get our grubby hands on an actual car I wouldn't trust either number (19.1 or 31.3).
V8 Base: $40,700 + Delivery (~$615)
http://forums.vwvortex.com/zerothread?id=827347
Joking aside, these are IMO two quite different cars. Have your parents also looked at the MDX and the ML? Or if you don't need the space and luxury, how about the Forester 2.5XT? Your mom will be home an hour early in that one. Then again, maybe not, perhaps she'll go upstate for a brief but exhilarating detour. Of course, there are AWD station wagons out there that are pretty fast (A6, S6, W8 VW), so you don't have to go the SUV route.
BTW, the German VW site has 9.9s 0-100km (~0-60mph) for the V6, and 7.8s for the V8 and V10TDI.
- D.