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the T/A personally and couldn't
feel the tuned port stumble from
idle ! Or get wet from leaking T-tops !
The vette still no GM guy in person !
Ever try and watch a 300 lb. lady
TRY and get in it ?
LIke I said I TOOK my lumps and dumped
them.
Since its been years I will have to
search..for the paperwork ! But now I
guess the process ain't much different !
good luck again .........geo
BTW: New Chevy I'll be there commercial
is on now !.......lol
I SAW YOUR MESSAGE ABOUT YOUR ARBITRATION. MY FATHER IS GOING TOMORROW FOR THE SAME THING ON HIS 2001 3500 SILVERADO CHEVY TRUCK. ANY SUGGESTIONS ON WHAT HE SHOULD BRING OR DO. DO YOU KNOW OF ANY WEBSITES WHERE HE CAN GET GOOD INFO TO HELP HIM. HIS GAS MILEAGE IS ABOUT 5.8 TOWING AND ABOUT 8 WHEN NOT TOWING. HE IS SUPPOSED TO GET ATLEAST 12.2 PER THE SALES PERSON AND OTHER ARTICLES HE'S READ. POOR FUEL MIXTURE IS CREATING SOOT ON THE INSIDE AND OUTSIDE OF THE EXHAUST PIPE. TRANSMISSION IS NOT RIGHT. BURNING OIL SOMETHING AWFUL. NO ONE WOULD ADMIT A PROBLEM. ARBITRATION IS ON 6/14. IF YOU SEE THIS AND HAVE ANY IDEAS PLEASE E-MAIL ME AT BPHOSE@CS.COM. THANKS FOR ANY HELP.
and hopefully NoMore will give you some advice also.
Ray T.
I do respect you for trying. And in keeping on topic: I can see why you need a pick-up with more power than the Tundra. :_ )
Sounds like you could have appealed to the Dept of Agriculture!
Sorry, I couldn't resist.
old retired guy, the 300 lb lady, and
the GM guy on the phone !...LOL
Got the JAMB each time !.....geo
To make it, short. I won !!
The "Professional Grade engineers" are still out at school learning to build engines like GM used to be able to do.
One of the knockers is the 5.7 which has been around longer than I can remember. Does that mean they never knew how to build engines?
Tom
-David
Ray T.
Ray T.
Ray T.
We should still all try to get together and get on Dateline, or some other nationally televised show. I think that may give corporate GM scumbags something to think about!
Fact is, I've lost much more in the market than my POS Camaro is worth and I'm sure you have also. It's a matter of principle that we fight on. Oby, you once said to me to take my knocks and move on. Thats what these bastards want, not only in the car industry, but in every facet. No way, no more. No more.
Remember the USS Liberty.
As for your situation, when they claim that the Internet cause all of this, you can answer, yes, and there are also people on the Internet that think Roswell is a government coverup, Elvis is alive and the FBI killed JFK.
The difference is that there's not an alien space ship parked outside in the parking lot with Elvis driving it, but there IS a knocking GM pickup, which GM has already acknowledged in other buyback cases and in several Technical Service Bulletins. Then ask them if the Internet created those TSBs, or were they the result of independent customers that don't know each other and have never heard of this forum from around the country, dissatisfied with their $25K-30K trucks taking them back to their dealer, naively believing their trucks were "like a rock" and that GM/Chevy would "be there" because they are "professional grade?"
And, oh, by the way, don't forget to offer to let the arbitrator drive the truck around the block or on the freeway.
Good luck!
Joe
Estimates are that this is a 30-million problem for GM. They have opted to sweep it instead. Their annual profits average 200 million--if we can trust their accountants.
If taking this thing in the "shorts" meant saving GM, for the big-picture's sake, I would gladly withdraw. It's purely a profit motive. They have calculated that no one will notice what's going on while they save a few bucks at the expense of loyal, red-blooded Americans. The Corporate world has shown us that justice is theirs, and Big government has joined forces with them.
They attack the internet--the very tool they use to capture our admiration and propensities. They fear the internet, it's one means of communication which they have limited control of, so far. If GM says that most of the internet is BS, I would agree by default that their theory applies to their own add-blitz, categorically. For now, I guess, I'll go watch TV, where, according to GM, I can get a higher ratio of truth to mendacity. Give me a effing break. No more, please GM, Nomore.
Knock on!!
Ask the check-out lady at your local wall-mart if she or he feels like they run the corporation.
And, please...consider changing your username. It doesn't look good on you.
Tom
But it's outside their contract to say anything to the mindless GM executives that design and authorize building thousands of defective engines.
Enron..MCI...General Motors....one has to wonder?
By the way all I own are chevys, all old style small blocks, when a piston had skirts, and a knock was abnormal.
Good luck on your arb..a house divided will not stand.
Ray T.
Tom
They must buy it back, including sales tax ($2k) and finance charges to-date.
Thanks to all of you for your previously posted congratulations. And many thanks to the Better Business Bureau--they indeed can do the heavy lifting.
Best of luck with your next vehicle. BTW, what did you plan on replacing your Camaro with?
-David
vehicle...............geo
Hmmmm...right now I don't want to buy any new car. Just another used car like the ones that I had before that gave me fewer headaches. If they are not going to honor warranties in this country any more, then I'll buy "as is" from now on and save myself some money in the process.
I'm truly tired of being pushed around by big-auto service thugs who think they're so slick and savvy. And I know this is a family site but they can all kiss my [non-permissible content removed]! You can bet the rest of my family won't be buying another one either after they saw how it affected me (and them for that matter). Watch your wallets and purses people. Americans have to stand up en masse and let these car makers know that they can't crap on us any more.
Thanks again, BBB! Keep up the good work.
Study the lemon law in your state--most are similar. Be sure you satisfy all the criteria prior to your arb and you will stand a good chance of wining, I now believe.
Pity the next fool that buys your truck--unless they put a new crate motor in it.
Joe
So.. nomoregm if you post, give us the nitty gritty about that knocking Camaro you have!
Ray T.
Ray T.
"2002 Trailblazer, Envoy, Bravada (GMT 360/370) S, T 2002 Equipped with the 4.2 L LL8 Engine Knock Noise During Intial Start-Up in Cold Ambients [10°C (50°F)] That Typically Quiets Down as the Engine Warms Up
Some customers may comment about an engine knock noise that begins to occur within the first several thousand miles of use. This noise is most often noticed during initial start-up in cold ambients [10°C (50°F)] and typically quiets down as the engine warms up. This noise is more noticeable at 800-1100 RPM and/or 1700-2100 RPM. GM Powertrain engineering has determined that this cold engine knock noise is the result of an interaction between the engine piston and the cylinder wall. GM Powertrain engineering has also determined that this condition is not detrimental to the performance, reliability or durability of the engine. Realizing that this noise could be a customer satisfication concern, GM Powertrain has implemented a graphal coated piston for this application to address this noise. These new pistons have been in production since January 10, 2002 and will be available in service by June 1st, 2002. The part numbers for this piston is 88958991 for standard and 88958992 for 0.25 mm (0.0098 in) oversize.
Please follow this diagnosis process thoroughly and complete each step. If the condition exhibited is resolved without completing every step, the remaining steps do not need to be performed. If these steps do not resolve the condition, please contact GM TAC for further diagnostic assistance. This diagnostic approach was developed for the vehicle with the VIN you entered and should not be automatically be used for other vehicles with similar symptoms."
If it knocks, it sucks--fix it. And please, stop trying to bury it under the rug, GM. We were born at night--not last night.
" ems1 Jul 15, 2002 (03:22 pm)
Regarding the piston slap: My '98 Venture developed the piston slap at about 25,000 miles. The dealer pulled the engine rebored the cylinders and fitted new pistons. I think they may have been redesigned, but not sure. I know they had problems getting the parts. The van was in the shop for a week. I have over 50,000 miles now and the engine makes a little noise on cold startups but goes away in about 15 seconds. I would prefer no piston slap but I can live with the slight noise I have now. It was a loud tapping before the repair and lasted for about 1 minute. I just had an oil analysis done and it showed no internal problems."
Imagine that! It's so nice to see GM constantly update their TSB on this issue to cover everything as "normal" I'm still rereading my owners manual and brochure to find that paragraph telling me that my brand new truck comes standard with a "knocking engine" which will NOT affect resale value!
Ray T.