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edited March 2014 in Chevrolet
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  • PF_FlyerPF_Flyer Pennsylvania Furnace, PAPosts: 7,966
    The war is OVER guys...

    Time to get on with life.


    Just a reminder that our Town Hall chat happens on Wednesday (5-7pm Pacific/8-10 pm Eastern).

    This week the topic is Social Issues and the Automotive Perspective

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  • obyoneobyone Posts: 8,054
    Did you order your tonneau cover yet?

    Anyone with a "soft" tonneau uses that 303 protectant on it? I'm interested to know the results after a rain as it seems the protectant vanishes with the rain leaving vertical streaks on the quarter panels and tailgate as it departs the truck. Oh what a feeling....
  • ryanbabryanbab Posts: 7,240
    have had it on for over a month now obyone

    havent 303ed it yet
  • jaijayjaijay Posts: 162
    I use 303 and have noticed the streaks too. However I find if I apply a very light coat and wipe it off the streaks are not as bad. A slight streak on the paint maybe worth the UV protection for the cover.

    I also have been using paint protection products from zaino bros. This familiar name offers quite the shine and may also contribute, in my case, to less streaks from 303.

    Yup this forum is real quiet... Since the topic is Silverado I am just waiting for the Toyota boys to chime in with their comments.
  • obyoneobyone Posts: 8,054
    I'm wondering about its application. What I do is apply it to the cover, spread it out evenly with non-absorbant pad, let it soak in (30-60 min), wipe off residual leaving it looking brand new.

    I used to spray it on lightly and wipe it off but it didn't give that "new" look. Either way though, a good rain will wash it off almost completely. Thought that to be a bummer cause at $25 a quart stuff isn't cheap. Then again, maybe its designed purposely to wash off easily.
  • michgndrmichgndr Posts: 160
    Just stomped back in after a long layoff and saw Silverado XVXVIIILCMXI was gone, and something from PF about a war.

    So, I'm guessing it got a little ugly. Too bad I wasn't here to watch the battle.

    Always a day late....dang.

    On the good side, I'm celebrating 13 months without a shop repair.
  • rayt2rayt2 Posts: 1,208
    Welcome back....
    So the question is are you lucky enough to not have the Vortec Knock or Are you lucky enough to have the Vortec Knock ???

    The question sounds redundant because GM says either engine is normal, LOL, so which do you have ???

    I now have 29k knocking miles but love everything else about this truck. Gotta get them sunvisor extensions though the ride home is a killer with the sun low in the sky and out of reach of standard visor. GM designers were asleep at the wheel on this one.

    Ray T.
  • michgndrmichgndr Posts: 160
    Sometimes I hear it on start-up, usually I don't. So basically, no. Will still have to push the test button on the 100K warranty thing though, when I get time. It's a busy summer.

    This place is quiet, civil, and free of Silverado-envy. Pretty cool.
  • jpfltawjpfltaw Posts: 43
    1) What is the fix for the bed box that is low on one side ? - 2002 rado ext 2x4 4.8 SB

    2) After market shocks ( Bilstein-Edelbroc-Rancho 9000 ) ? - 2000 rado ext 2x4 5.3 SB BFG velvet shackles w/ride control and rear air bags.
  • I have had the lean since new too. Don't really want to take it in to the dealer. No other problems. Mine leans to the left 1-2 inches when unloaded, low fuel and no passengers. I may have slightly bent the springs this winter when loading firewood.
    (2001, 1500LS, X-cab, 5.3, 3.42, shortbed, 4x2, 13k miles)I am planning on installing Air Lift or Firestone bag springs to the rear. Then I could independently adjust pressure to correct lean. Plus I could keep the front tires on the ground during firewood season. Wanted a 2500HD but needed to drive to work every day too.

    BTW, been averaging 19 mpg on my daily 80 mile commute. Very happy with that.
  • minikinminikin Posts: 389
    Used it a couple of times before winter set in; used the light spray on, wipe it in/on method. Didn't notice any streaking onto the paint, but agree it doesn't seem to last that long either.
    -- Don
  • mpalombompalombo Posts: 186
    So this is where everybody has been

  • pyro49pyro49 Posts: 4
    Looking at Chevy ext. cab shortbox 4x4 1996. well taken care of but all it's got is A/c cruise and auto. and here's the kicker a 4.3 V6. Sitting on dealer lot for the last few months I guess nobody wants the V6. I drove a '95 with the 305 and it was a real slug. I think GM brought the vortec out in 96 did the V6 get the upgrade and is it worthwhile trying this truck with the V6 out???
  • rwagonerrwagoner Posts: 338
    I need tires. Originals were Generals on my '99 LT 1500. Rode fine, but seemed to wear out too quickly (27,000 miles for two, although a slightly bad alignment hastened their demise ... I figure that w/out the alignment problem the entire set would go about 32,000). I don't like to buy two tires.

  • txyank1txyank1 Posts: 1,010
    I had one, SWB 2wd, and on the flat it's fine. But you definitely tell it's a 6 when you come to a hill. Lost speed quick. '96 was notorious for water pumps or fuel pumps going bad. I forget which. The other problem I had was exhaust systems. I had three of them in the couple yrs. I had it and the guy that bought it made them put another on it. The vibration from the V6 would loosen up the guts in the muffler.
  • pyro49pyro49 Posts: 4
    The more info the better,I'm going to test drive it today. You don't go anywhere in my city without going up or down hills. It would mostly be used for city driving and trips to the cottage,but it's a short run. It's very difficult to find used trucks in my area this one is about the only one on the lot's that is a reasonable price,they are too popular here and you always pay a premium.
  • mcrmcr Posts: 15
    I used to have the streaking(the dreaded black streaks) down the side of my travel trailer. Cause was the crud on roof. I used Tilex Bathroom Mildew Remover or some such spray to clean the roof and awning then treated with 303. So far no streaks. The roof material is EDPM rubber and the awning is vinyl. Don't know how long it will last, but inst. says every 4-6 months re-apply. Seems like 303 is water soluble when still wet.
  • obyoneobyone Posts: 8,054
    is water soluble period!!!

    Get it wet and it will wash off with plain water. Seems to me for $25 dollars a quart it should last a little longer. I guess it along with a lot of other things aren't what they are advertised to be.
  • mledtjemledtje Posts: 1,123
    I haven't found 303 to be water soluble.

    Obyone, did you spray it on, wait ~ 5 minutes and wipe off the excess? I do that, and don't have any problems with rain, dew, etc. Maybe it's because we have low humidity most of the time (dry California, not the Northwest or the coast).

    Mike L
  • obyoneobyone Posts: 8,054
    Yes, in fact I let it saturate the surface for at least an hour, spreading it with a non absorbent material. It stays on till the next rain, then 80% washes off. If it rains for two days, its completely gone.
  • ryanbabryanbab Posts: 7,240
    303 doesnt last long when it rains. As a matter of fact i have streaks running down the sides and tailgate of my truck (i 303ed the tailgate protector and bedrail caps last time i washed my truck) from where the 303 ran off in the last rain
  • PF_FlyerPF_Flyer Pennsylvania Furnace, PAPosts: 7,966
    This is a topic about the Silverdo... NOT a GM vs Toyota topic... let's not get this started up here again please.

    Thanks for your cooperation and participation

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  • seeligseelig Posts: 590
    some guys never learn eh PF?

    anyway, i'm at 57K on the 00', and after having the tranny serviced (pan was clean) the problem that comes and goes(delayed 1-2 shift)is coming more often........anyone know of a TSB for this?

  • rayt2rayt2 Posts: 1,208
    TSB 01-07-30-023 Harsh 1-2 Upshift and Possible Diagnostic Trouble Code (DTC)P1870 (Replace Valve Body)

    That's the listing I got from the old geocities site back in July 01. That site has been shut down now. Try they give the list for free but you gotta pay for the full text. 1 yr. subcription is around $18 (I think)for full text.


    Hey my 2500 Silverado didn't make the CR list of least reliable woohoo!

    July 26 first trip to Ontario for this year and then again in August. Just bought brand spankin new Fleetwood Pioneer 28' travel trailer, got tired of that little ole 18 footer, now to give this truck a workout....Sacandaga here we come!

    Ray T.

  • obyoneobyone Posts: 8,054
    MIL ON - Harsh 1st to 2nd Upshift DTC P1870 (Valve Body)

    File In Section: 07 - Transmission/Transaxle

    Bulletin No.: 01-07-30-023A

    Date: November, 2001


    Harsh 1-2 Upshift, SES, MIL, or CEL Illuminated, DTC P1870 Set
    (Replace Valve Body)

    1996 Buick Roadmaster
    1996 Cadillac Fleetwood
    1999-2000 Cadillac Escalade
    1996-2000 Chevrolet Camaro, Corvette
    1996-2000 Pontiac Firebird
    1996-2000 Chevrolet and GMC Light Duty Truck Models
    1996-2000 Oldsmobile Bravada
    with 4L60-E Automatic Transmission (RPO M30)
    Built Prior to January 15, 1999 (Julian Date 9015)

    This bulletin is being revised to update the Parts Information. Please discard Corporate Bulletin Number 01-07-30-023 (Section 07 - Transmission/Transaxle).


    Some customers may comment on a harsh 1-2 upshift and the Check Engine Light or Service Engine Soon indicator is illuminated.


    Typically, these vehicles will have been driven more than 32,000 km (20,000 mi) before this condition occurs.

    The scan tool may show a DTC P1870 set as a history code.

    A harsh 1-2 shift or DTC P1870, caused by wear in the control valve body, may be difficult to duplicate when the transmission temperature is below 93°C (200°F).


    The condition may be due to wear in the control valve body. This wear occurs in the bore that contains the TCC isolator and regulator valves, and results in poor, or no, TCC apply.

    Important :

    ^ DTC P1870 is a type B code. The conditions for setting the P1870 DTC must occur on TWO CONSECUTIVE TRIPS (ignition cycles, with a drive cycle) before setting a P1870 history code.

    ^ When the conditions for setting DTC P1870 are met (first trip), the PCM commands maximum line pressure and harsh 1-2 shifts are the result.

    ^ This may result in a harsh 1-2 shift with no history code if the conditions for setting the DTC required for the second trip are not met, on two consecutive trips (Ignition cycles, with a drive cycle).

    ^ When the conditions for setting the DTC are met, on the second consecutive trip, a DTC P1870 is stored as a history code.

    ^ When the P1870 code is stored, the PCM will turn on the Service Engine Soon (SES), Check Engine Light (CEL), or Malfunction Indicator Lamp (MIL).

    Install a control valve body with the revised TCC regulator and isolator valves. Refer to the Parts Information table below. These valves are used in all transmissions produced after January 15, 1999 (Julian Date 9015), and all of the service parts currently available through GMSPO contain revised TCC regulator and isolator valves.

    Important :If all of the following conditions are true, it is not necessary to rebuild the transmission or to replace additional transmission components beyond the control valve body.

    ^ Transmission operation is normal before the transmission reaches operating temperature, or before DTC P1870 is set (no slips, flares, or missing gears).

    ^ The torque converter is not blue or overheated.

    ^ The transmission fluid is not burned or has no burned odor.

    ^ The transmission fluid pan contains no abnormal debris (clutch material, bronze, brass, or metal fragments).
    Parts Information

    Parts are currently available from GMSPO.

    Warranty Information
    For vehicles repaired under warranty, use the table.
  • sonjaabsonjaab Posts: 1,057
    Hey mister....My 01 2500 sure worked hard
    this winter plowing snow. Since summer
    is almost here my cold start knock has
    disappeared. But most of my cars and
    trucks (toys included) had some kind of
    cold start knock in those frozen NY winters !
    Hey if your heading up Rt.81 to Ontario Can.
    My motel is right next to the 1000 islands
    bridge exit 50so. My email is in my profile
    maybe we can hook up and swap fishin stories !
  • ddd522ddd522 Posts: 3
    2000 Silverado w/32K miles into dealer for truck not stopping like it use to. Dealer said rear rotors & brakes shot($560-$700). Front rotors and brakes all okay. Bottom line: dealer would not do work under warranty. Called GM customer service and they would not cover the problem. I understand that rotors are a wear item but to have the rear ones completely shot and the fronts okay is not making sense to me. Has anyone else experienced this problem and looking for advice on next steps
  • rayt2rayt2 Posts: 1,208
    The rotors should be covered but not the pads. Rotors don't usually wear out that quick. I have a car w/original rotors and 155k miles on it with NO warpage or scoring to require a resurfacing. Any time I changed disc pads I only had to rough up the surface with emery paper to break the glaze. That car was built in 1969 !
    Right a letter to your attorney generals office quoting the bumper to bumper warranty on this new vehicle and see if that doesn't rattle someones cage, it usually works for me. The dealer is hoping you take no for an answer and go away. GM customer service is a joke, their a sub contractor hired to say what GM wants them to say. Does the word "puppet" mean anything!
    Of course then again there's that knock issue not covered under warranty too! But that's a normal engine noise requiring no fix......

    Ray T.
  • abc246abc246 Posts: 305
    I would call GM customer service and the dealer again and explain that you are willing to pay for pads, but not the rotors, and explain that you are going to complain to the BBB if they do not fix your truck. The BBB has a web site and makes it very easy to report them. I bet they fix your truck.
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