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Loren
Looks like it was published in late April so dealer will be able to pull it up.
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Well, the do have the Employee Discount Plan for Everyone Sale listed there too. Yes, they should just lower the price on the car, and stop with the games. That said, people like to think they are stealing something when buying under dealer invoice. The G6 is a good example of a car which, at the right price is a sound enough value, yet does not seem to knock the competition out of the ball park sold at retail. If they wish to price the thing higher, they will have to make it an overwhelming deal compared to models such as Altima and Accord. The 3.5V6 at 201HP is adequate, yet not in the same class as the competition. For something brand new, it should be one step ahead of the others and not one behind. When discounted, as it is now, that price is clearly fitting, as you get a V6 car for less than an inline 4 cylinder of a different make. They have done some things right, like the telescopic steering and brake pedals. When you are the underdog, as is the current standings in the eyes of many, you not only have to match the competition, but also overwhelm them - dazzle the customer with impressive product at lower prices. That is how Japan won. The price was lower, the quality ( or at least reliability ) was higher, so sales went up and their market share went up. After a decade or so the prices started to creep up, but buyers still bought because they were pleased with the product. I don't know if GM has the luxury of selling at low prices, and delivering top quality goods, as the structured price of building their cars is too high. And before anyone points out how prices, in today's money, are actually lower than in years past, you have to take into account how much lower the others have gone price wise, and how much higher the quality is now. Hyundai is now making a far better car, yet pricing as retail at lower prices than the competition. The once junk cars, can now not be ignored by GM and others. The warranty on GM does not match Hyundai. In the long run, GM will have to sell less cars, and move into specialized ones like say a Camaro or El Camino, which could sell for more money, has no equivalent made abroad, and could yield a profit instead of just market share. Market share means nothing compared tot he bottom line profit, especially to a company which could go bankrupt.
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Loren
http://www.gm.com/employeediscount.do?brandId=ld&mode=byModel#
I just bought a GP GXP with remote start and the auto dual zone climate control. I'm in Austin and it's getting close to 100 these days so I leave the system on manual with a setpoint of 65 (fans on max with vents to head position). When I remote start, the AC doesn't seem to come on. The fans just blow warm air. I've even tried it with the system in Auto for both settings.
Does the system on the G6 come on when remote starting? My digital setpoint doesn't come on nor does the LED under the AC button so I'm thinking that my climate control system isn't getting any power.
I've even read that if it's under 60 outside, the system is supposed to turn on the rear-window defrost also. So if you're snowed-in somewhere, let me know if this actually happens as well.
Thanks,
Brian
If anyone has a G6 with remote and dual zone climate controls that gets full AC with a remote start, let me know.
While I can't say the systems are the same, I will try to borrow the G6 from my wife and try the remote start and check the AC this weekend. Should be hot enough here in the Boston area (predicting three days of 90 degrees).
For 2006 model the G6 GTP has single zone auto climate control and will turn on A/C if it senses that interior temperature requires it.
This same feature started out in 2004 Malibu with Single Zone Automatic Climate Control. Malibu was the first GM product with factory remote start.
Maybe in the hot weather the G6 goes to last setting, but in the winter it would go windshield defrost-full blower-full hot and turn on the rear window defrost.
But I thought I read somewhere that the remote start systems starting wiht the Malibu have three states of operation, for cold, medium and hot.
And I thought I read that the manual system on Grand Prix will go full cold a/c-full blower-recirculate if it is above 90 degrees.
A/C on same as if I got in and started it normally from the driver seat with the key.
If you set the A/C on and shut the car off, then restart from the key switch will the a/c come on?
sticker: $30,500
came down to: 29,000
less $750 cash back
less free sun roof $1,000
less trade of $2,000
lease rate 0.5%
48 month pmt: $310
USD equivalent = $250
Is this a solid deal?
Price still high for a FWD car. A good little car, but nothing worth a premium price.
The sunroof will likely be noisy, and have other problems - do some research on that.
Never buy on time. Assuming debt is not good, and you pay twice for the car. Once for
the item, and once again to the bank. The tendency is to buy more than one can afford when not paying cash. Keep it simple is once again the three words of wisdom. Easy to see the actual price, the discount and to negotiate the transaction with cash. If you can not afford cash, wait two years, let the other person lose say 40% on the car, and buy it at the real discounted price. The car will certainly have more than 60% of its life left, so there ya go. Insurance will be less too. If the car does not lose 40 to 50% in say 2 to 3 years, then you now know that GM cars are retaining value more, and that the car will continue to be a value. If it does, as predicted, drop as it has in the past, you are not the one holding bag. I would not expect prices to soar in July when the current deal is dropped. That is unless they wish to play the old game of overprice a few thousand, then give back a few thousand, which equals a sum nothing gained, and only a loss in depreciation value. Since GM is now the comeback company, perhaps they need Hyundai pricing. Oh, but what about warranty? Will they match Hyundai on warranty and price? See the game is all wrong. They need to make only special cars, like the Solstice because one on one with Korea and Japan makes can only end in a draw, at best! The G6 is one of few cars GM has with telescopic steering column, and it has a good little base V6 in the 3.5. It is a good enough little car, but nothing worth paying more for than say the Altima or Mazda6.
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Loren
Depends on what you are trading in. What would that car be worth on the street? It
would seem they are giving you more for the car and less of a discount to make the trade look good. Otherwise the free roof and cash back are nice and the lease rate is excellent.
Loren
read - http://biz.yahoo.com/pfg/e16buylease/art011.html One thing to consider is, IF you do not have the cash to buy the car now, what happens if say you lose a job, or have some other unforeseen expense which makes it impossible for you to pay on your lease? I hate to rent things unless I have to, but that is just me, I guess. Now a boat for a day at the lake, does make more sense than buying a boat to use a couple times a year. You are more likely to buy within your means and get ahead in life if you pay by cash. You could buy half as much car, and use the money difference you would pay to by oil stocks and let that buy your next car. The way gas is going up and up, I find it the only price protection. Sort of if ya can't beat 'em, join 'em Good luck, and yes, that lease sounds better than most. Be sure to read all the fine print.
Loren
Good luck.
Vehicle you drove has manual air conditioning system so when in remote start mode it only operates system in last settings. So if the A/C was turned off or fan off you won't have A/C during remote start. You need to have left A/C and fan on.
Most other vehicle functions are not functional when in remote start, you are correct. However I don't really think that you need functional turn signals or radio when in remote start.
At least the vehicle antitheft system is still functional. Many aftermarket system disable the vehicle antitheft system.
Then again, if taking the car out of remote mode is as easy as putting the key in the ignition and turnig it, whats the point of needing all the other accessories to work?
Remote start is for the purpose of preparing the cabins temp before you reach the vehicle. If you want all the other functions to work you might as well just get in and start it manually.
I give the Sonata a "10". Other than the ' '71 Volvo 1800E I bought in ' 71 I've always bought an American car. Everything about the Sonata was just too much to pass up...features, comfort, ride, quietness, etc. And, as I said, a great price on the '05. The '06's are a new body style and a bit more expensive (plus no rabate, yet).
If you're thinking G 6, take a look at Sonata. You may be pleasantly surprized. Either way, you shouldn't go wrong.
Check with the same dealer for a purchase price rather than a lease. Leases are usually more profitable than purchases for the dealer because it's easier to cook the numbers. Some years back I ordered an American car equiped the way I wanted it (rather than buying one from dealer inventory) at a negotiated price about equal to invoice (before rebate). After giving the salesman a substantial downpayment, I had to go see the sharpie in the back room. Well, I guess that guy really liked me and wanted to save me even more money because the first words out of his mouth were, "Have you ever considered leasing instead of buying? You could save money." What a guy! They had my money to order a car that would cost them nothing to carry in their inventory. And this guy wanted to save me even more (reducing the dealership profit) by trying to convince me to lease rather than buy. Maybe I was foolish, but I bought the car and drove it several years after the loan was paid off. :shades:
There is a bunch of new stuff for 2006 model just getting to dealers (and we haven't seen the convertible body style yet).
i currently have a '96 Regal (bought new from the dealer) which without exaggeration has been nothing but a money pit. The repairs have been staggering and they still continue (latest problems - a/c compressor is gone, interior door panel has broken loose, armrest has snapped off, right power window doesn't work at times, power attenna doesn't raise...well i think you can get the picture). Will the G6 be a lemon? When will GM reach Toyota or Honda level of build quality?
I've read as many reviews as I can get my hands on for the G6 and some common points I see are interior materials are still behind the imports, the refinement isn't there, and an anemic v6 (the 3.9L is hardly a fair comparison against the imports given that it will probably cost more then their entry v6).
Thoughts? Am I way off base? Am I better off getting an entry level Accord or Camry?
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