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As great as the Armada is, those who really value the 3rd-row seating, will likely go for the Ford. While the Armada may be a homerun, a grand slam it ain't...
Bob
Does anyone know when it will be available?
Pricing info?
Technical info?
Photos?
Thanks in advance for providing any information on it.
For me the biggest attraction to Armada is its performance. Price, I am pretty sure will come down once the feeding frenzy is over. Nissan, in my opinion, priced it reasonably well for penetrating the already saturated market segment.
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Shair Khan
I belive that nissan/infiniti vehicles offer better alternatives to the cookie cutter toyonda products. However I am in the minority. Nissan for some reason does not have the following the big two have. Same is true for mazda who also has great products. The armada is a nice truck that I have waited for since the idea was out. I also drooled over the FX when it was still a concept and waited 2 years with bated breath until it was realesed. I was obsessive about it. Wanna know how much I paid for a full boat FX35 about 4-500 over invoice. My money does not grow on trees. There are other alternatives. If I wanted to go american I could get the expy EB for 5k under sticker for a base armada. Other than being short some horsepower it offers pretty much everything else the armada does. I agree if someone wants it at sticker and one wants it at invoice I would sell to the sticker crowd all day also. But the kind of people who generally post on boards like this aren't your typical payment shoppers and take negotiations seriously. Me personally I never buy a product from a store that put a ADM fee on any product. That just shows what kind of dealership they are and I won't keep them in business with my money JMHO.
you just said: "I agree if someone wants it at sticker and one wants it at invoice I would sell to the sticker crowd all day also."
whats the difference if someone is willing to pay sticker, and someone else is willing to pay $2500 over?
then you said: "That just shows what kind of dealership they are..."
this is hypocritical by definition.
I think dealers who use the practice of adding ADMs are: (A) out for short term results and really don't care about building long-term relationships with their customers, and (B) reinforce the reptilian image of more than just a few car salesman. I encountered one just the other day, at a Nissan dealer, no less. I couldn't wait to get out of there...
Bob
If you want to conduct business and leave money on the table, knock yourself out. But at the end of the day..who is the fool?
The dealer I went to for Armada test drive had "upgraded" the base model with 20" chrome wheels & low profile tires... They plainly looked ugly on the vehicle, made the ride uncomfortable, and added a lot of road noise. The dealer further raised the price by $5000/- for this "upgrade."
Oh, yes I asked... you cannot get the vehicle without this upgrade!
Frankly, I don't necessarily blame the dealers solely. The manufacturers also need to set standards for the sake of their reputation.
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Shair Khan
Bob
Again, the area where is beats the other trucks is in the amount of airbags. I have not seen any crash tests for the Armada, so I don't know how it stacks up to Ford or Chevy/GMC. If the Ford or Chevy/GMC can match up with Safety in terms of crash tests results then your decision is a no brainer. Go with one of them, because you can save about $4000-$5000, and if you go with a new 03 Ford of Chevy SUV you can save about $7000 for a similiar equipped vehicle. Again, I need to find about the crash tests, if someone has this information, please post it. If the 04 F150 can match the Titan(which I assume is much like the Armada) in safety and is $4000 grand cheaper that is a no brainer as well, save $4000.
I was really looking forward to the Armada and Titan, so I am dissapointed at what I saw. I wonder how the Titan will be when compared to the F150.
They're good looking and feel solid. If I get over my phobia of paying MSRP then I will purchase one in the next few weeks. Because this seems to be a good truck I may be able to do it.
I was seriously considering the Sequoia but after taking a close look at both, the Armada wins hands down.
I have owned Ford Suv's without too much trouble but don't care for the semi-new, Range Rover inspired styling. Additionally, I don't think that Ford puts too much thought into what the consumer wants, they just look in the stockroom to see what fits to save a few bucks.
Armada is a good choice for the money and will be a fantastic deal at $500 over invoice.
I am not knocking the American metal or the EB, I own one and am quite happy with it. I better be considering what it isn't worth!
You must have not heard the whole story,
pf_flyer "Ford Sandbags Nissan" Sep 29, 2003 11:36am
Even Titan's design chief had accepted the "result". However, in the mean time, he felt honored that Ford had to use market tricks to fend off Nissan's newest entry into the full-size PU market.
with the following
power fold 3rd row
captain seats
sunroof
dvd
rollover curtains
MSRP 43380
Carsdirect price 36537
Edmunds TMV 36935
PFA LE 4x2
with micro filter
floor mats
splash guards
DVD
sunroof
MSRP 41850
Edmunds TMV 41586
differnce ~$5000
http://www1.forddirect.fordvehicles.com/Dispatch.jsp?xefrAction=2- 8&__action2=&.CurrentState=ConfigPage&xefrProd=314351- 0&statetoken=
NISSAN:
http://www.config.nissanusa.com/Dispatch.jsp?state_token=2%3A7%3A- nissan%7Carm%7C2004%7C2%7Cc/Dgt/fHA%7CEAAgghAAA%7CEAAAghAAA%3A402- 18&lc=true&seq_id=7&.CurrentState=Config&.NewStat- e=ConfigVehicleSummary&_scrollPos=109
this gave me an MSRP in the ford of $42725, and you cant get both the load levelling rear suspension, AND the advancetrak. you CAN get both in the armada...as a matter of fact, its standard on the LE to have both. i did not include the power 3rd row to keep comparisons even. the armada has an MSRP of $39350. we are ALREADY $3375 to the good. now...the ford has a $2000 rebate, so that makes the difference $1375. this is classic ford thinking...price it $3000 over what its worth, and give back $2000 of it. nissan is trying to price the vehicle RIGHT AT what its worth, instead of the dog and pony rebate show that does nothing other than ruin resale values.
also remember the differences that the ford CANNOT make up for with options:
1)ford has no 3rd row airbags.
2)ford cant have both things stated above
3)ford is STILL underpowered
4)nissan tows alot more
5)if PF and explorer's difference after 5 years was $3000, then use the same equation, the armada/expy should be around $4000 difference...but wait...the PF has a rebate and the armada does not...this helps the armada hold even stronger.
Pricing, options, std. features, etc?
Thank you for you input.
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Shair Khan
no, there's no info on it yet...they dont even know when it will be released.
Without assuming too much, most of us here are intelligent, sensible adults. As a result, posting questions more than once is not necessary.
Thanks for coming in today.
I must have somehow missed the response to my previous post, and I apologize for asking the question again! It certainly was not meant to insult anyone's intelligence... There are other people around who do a good job at it!!!
Thank you.
Take it easy, and have a nice day
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Shair Khan
It's not a matter of sensitivity. It's a matter of good manners and FOUR postings of the same message borders on spamming - which is a violation of the Terms of Use.
tidester, host
I tend to agree with your statement! What "FOUR postings of the same message" are we talking about? Am I missing something?
I never posted a message 4 times, at least intentionally. I went through all my messages again and could not find the same message repeated four times.
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Sincerely,
Shair A. Khan
Thanks for pointing that out. Now I know why everybody was upset... I would be too! I don't know how the heck that happened. I only posted the message once. I just thought everyone was a bit too sensitive on this board, or may be they did not like my opinion.
Anyway, I apologize again for any inconvenience this may have caused.
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Sincerely,
Shair A. Khan
It is possible that using your browser's "refresh" button will cause your most recent message to be duplicated. You can avoid this by using the "Recent Messages" link below.
In your case, the fact that the postings were distributed over a considerable interval of time raised suspicions.
tidester, host
I ask this because I want to give it a fair chance. I currently own an 03 Honda Pilot and have been thinking it may be too small for my family. I have been anxiously awaiting the arrival of the Armada at our local dealership. Finally looked at one yesterday. It seemed really large on the outside. I felt so let down as soon as I pulled on the handle. It felt cheap. The interior space was pretty good, but the materials inside felt very cheap. Not what I had expected. The third row bench does not split and it was a hassle putting it up. The second row seats were all somewhat reclined, so we had to adjust each one to get the bench up. The third row offers seating for 3, but it didn't have a headrest for the rear center. On top of all of this there was a 5k markup. The extra $ only made me pick the vehicle apart and it does not seem to be worth it. I know some people think that Hondas are boring, but when I got in my Pilot, the interior, the handles, it just felt like it should.
I will test drive the Armada this weekend and see how that feels and if it is better than the Pilot, maybe I will consider it...after the $frenzy$