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Scion xB - Hip to be square



  • jamesgangjamesgang Posts: 47
    This exactly what I paid for the base vehicle about 5 weeks ago. Sunday I had gone online, picked the color and dealer (no options except the auto). The dealer called - we confirmed - he had MargareTOYBox to me on Thursday of that week. The the other individual said, there were a couple of processing fees - plates, etc...But nothing sneaky - the same fees I would have paid at a notory.
    Chris of the JamesGang
    ps all my cars have been named after the Jimmy Buffet song
  • moparbadmoparbad Posts: 3,868
    ps all my cars have been named after the Jimmy Buffet song
    There is a Jimmy Buffet song called xB?
  • jamesgangjamesgang Posts: 47
    I don't know about that, but I name my cars. Here a few examples;
    margaretavilla VEGA
    margareta EL CAMINO
    and my favorite marga REATTA ville
    plus, of course margare TOYBox.
    You've got to 'think outside the BOX'

    Chris of the JamesGang
  • I just check my mileage on my TCM '05 Xb. I filled up at 368 miles with 10.6 gal for 34.7 mpg. That was 75% highway travel at speeds from 60-80 mph. Pretty darn good and I'm pleased.
  • geekaygeekay Posts: 51
    Way to go. I checked mine @ 5000 miles and my 5MT is getting arod 34-35 mpg too, even happier now with the purchase.
  • jamesgangjamesgang Posts: 47
    Thirty-Eight point Seven-Five. That's right, 38.75 mpg on the most recent tank. 38.56 on the one before that. These with little highway miles. Mostly the 45 - 55 range two lane roads.
    I'm aiming at the big FOUR-O though. When that happens you'll be the 2nd to know.
    Chris of the JamesGang
  • tundradudetundradude Posts: 588
    You already accumulated 6000. Wow. I must be driving the other vehicles too much.
  • With the current incentives, a Saab 9-2X Turbo was going to be $19,425.
    That's just too cheap to pass up!

    But, I don't fit. I'm not abnormally large; just over 6 feet.
    There is no way for me to get comfortable.
    With the seat back all the way, and the backrest angled back uncomfortably, My arms are either too long or that steering wheel is too close.

    Maybe all the room in my Scion xB has me spoiled, but sadly the 9-2X just won't work.

    My xB felt like a limo compared to the Saabaru.

    ...and I was looking to a 4 second improvement 1/4 mile times...
  • Hey Tundradude,
    Sorry for the long pause between responses. It's been hectic here with my oldest son's HS graduation and college tours coupled with inlaws health problem. Actually I now have 8200 miles and it is running great. I filled up the other day with 358 miles on the odometer and the light was not yet on for low fuel. I'm off again in the morning for another tour of a college with my son and his 2 soccer buds. They're all thinking of attending the same college so of course I'll be transporting them in the XB. My wife wants an '04 burnt orange XB and you know that we'll likely end up with it.
  • jamesgangjamesgang Posts: 47
    Last evening I was slowly driving down an avenue. Up ahead, coming toward me, was a pickup towing a trailer. He was about to turn off the ave, but slowed to nearly a stop. I noticed him eyeing my approach. As I got within hearing distance this guy yells out "your cars ugly". Of course I thanked him appropriately.
    Chris of the JamesGang
  • geekaygeekay Posts: 51
    This car was the target of a lot of uncomplimentary remarks on a nationally broadcast Radio Talk show that would echo with some.
  • moparbadmoparbad Posts: 3,868
    What is the value of a 2004 Scion xB with rebuilt title? 2004 with 11K miles. Green color. Auto transmission. Light hit in the rear hatch. Repaired and repainted.
    There is one on ebay that I may bid on. How do you value a vehicle with rebuilt title?
  • The show Motorweek on PBS did a piece on that question within the last year. They said that a car with a rebuilt title is only worth about half of the original purchase price of the vehicle. The reason for the 50% of original price has to do with the amount of damage that the vehicle receives to qualify it as rebuilt. Each state has laws stating different amounts of damage it can receive. In some states the amount of damage may be 15% of the car. In others it may be 25%, and in others it can be as high as 50%. Because of this, you really don't know exactly how much of the car was damaged to qualify it as rebuilt. To get a higher price, the seller has to provide all bodyshop receipts showing that the car suffered only minimal damage and a guarantee that the repaired car meets all factory specs and retains it's warranty. It is because each state has different % of damages that the resale value of the car is about 1/2 of the purchase price. So you may be getting a car with minimal damage for a great price that will perform as a new one. you also might be getting a car that had 45% damage to it. I would also be wary as to why the owner wants to sell a car with a small amount of damage, or is the seller the insurance company trying to unload a totaled car.
    I hope this helps.
  • Are you thinking of buying and selling it in an attempt to make money?
    Or are you buying it and driving it 150,000 miles?
  • qbrozenqbrozen Posts: 22,091
    I think this needs ammending. You said "50% of the original price," but that could possibly be confused with the ORIGINAL price. Of course, if the car was 4 years old, its already worth half the original price. IF it was ALSO rebuilt, it would be worth half of the half. So, basically, its worth half of what a comparable NON-rebuilt used vehicle would be worth. (not that i claim this theory to be true or realistic, just correcting the wording of the theory itself, mind you.)

    '17 F150 Crew 2.7; '67 Coronet R/T; '14 Town&Country Limited; '09 LR2 HSE. 44-car history and counting!

  • You're right...It does need ammending. I was referring to the Sticker price of the Scion XB because it is a basically newer car. Example: According to Motorweek, If a 2000 Honda Accord was being offered for sale with a rebuilt title, the price that should be paid for the car is 1/2 of what the Bluebook is listed. Example: 2000 Accord 4 door w/auto and 45k miles. Bluebook is listed at 10 500. If it has a rebuilt title Motorweek says that it is really worth $5250. It's not my theory, it's Motorweek's.
  • qbrozenqbrozen Posts: 22,091
    oh, i knew it wasn't yours. I just wanted to point out it wasn't mine, either. :)

    '17 F150 Crew 2.7; '67 Coronet R/T; '14 Town&Country Limited; '09 LR2 HSE. 44-car history and counting!

  • moparbadmoparbad Posts: 3,868
    The xb with rebuilt title went for greater than $10K. My thougts are that a rebuilt title vehicle is worth no more than 75% book value, and 50% is a more accurate target. Other people obviously valued this xB highly.

    A new xB in base form is the best value IMO.
  • fatherof6fatherof6 Posts: 1
    I am currently on a waiting list to get an xB at our local dealer. The salesman recently called and said there might be a possibility of getting a black one. I like the black, but my wife thinks it looks like a hearse. Has anyone else had this reaction?
  • micwebmicweb Posts: 1,617
    You said:

    I am currently on a waiting list to get an xB at our local dealer.

    Hey, just order a 2006. They aren't making 2005's anymore, so odds are your dealer is trading. There will be some very useful upgrades for 2006, discussed here or elsewhere, so I'd just sit tight a little while longer, maybe a month.

    For what it's worth, I think black looks great, but it is more of a "car show" color - maintenance on it can drive you nuts. It needs frequent washing and shows every tiny scratch and swirl.
  • aathertonaatherton Posts: 617
    I just got a rebuilt title on my Mazda truck. Someone rear-ended me as I was turning into our street, and “totaled” my 1991 Mazda truck.

    The damage was mainly to the big trailer hitch and the bumper and the metal behind it. But since the truck had 15 years and 150,000 miles, it was worth so little that the estimate exceeded 75% of its value. In Kentucky, a vehicle is by law a “total loss” when the repairs cost 75% of its value. A “totaled” vehicle must be reborn with a “rebuilt title”. Usually the insurance company pays the book value and takes the vehicle and auctions it so shops that can repair it cheaply.

    But I wanted to keep my truck, so began a complicated procedure defined by the KRS (Kentucky Revised Statutes).

    I left the truck at the body shop, and removed its license plate. I surrendered the plate and the title to the DMV and applied for a “salvage title” in my name. When the application was faxed to the insurance company as proof that I had surrendered the old title, they sent me a check for the value of the truck. The “salvage title” meant that I owned an unlicensed wreck. No matter that aside from a twisted hitch and bumper, it looked new and could do over 90 mph.

    When the truck was repaired two weeks later, I drove it without plates to a DMV inspection station, where the repairs were compared to the repair bill, and an application for a “rebuilt title” was started.

    Then I had to take the truck home and use another car to take all the paperwork to the state capitol in Frankfort, where the DMV central office issued a memo authorization for the “rebuilt title”. By now I had used three Notary Publics.

    Then drove back to Louisville, to the local DMV, who used the authorization for a “rebuilt title” to order one for me, and issue me a registration and license plate.

    Everybody asked me why I would use the $2,700 settlement to repair an old truck. But I had maintained the truck to be literally like new before the accident, and it is like new again, and where can you get a new truck for so little these days?

    For a late-model Scion xB to be totaled in KY and get a rebuilt title, it would need almost $10,000 in repairs. That is a lot of work, and probably not as good as the Japanese factory did it, which would devalue the xB substantially. Probably the owner would be better off applying the settlement toward a new xB.

    There was an xB in the shop next to my truck, with a lot of front damage, a little rear damage, and both airbags hanging out. Looked like it had been in a chain collision.
  • eric37eric37 Posts: 2
    Do you know when the 2006 models will be available? We just rented an Xb for a week and I really liked it for the price and room. Its been very difficult finding a car with that kind of room and under 20k!

  • aathertonaatherton Posts: 617
    "... We just rented an Xb for a week..."

    Where can you do that? I had to rent a car for two weeks last month, wanted to rent an xB, but none of the rental companies had an xB.
  • eric37eric37 Posts: 2
    We rented it from the Toyota/Scion dealer. They rent all they cars for people to try out or just get a rental. The XB was 29.95 or 150 a week.
  • aathertonaatherton Posts: 617
    One of the Toyota dealers here used to do that and put it on their web page. But when I asked a few months ago if I could rent an xB, they said they had stopped renting anything and had not updated the web page. I really wish I could rent an xB or xA for a day!
  • micwebmicweb Posts: 1,617
    Saw another xB, parked in a "head in" parking lot between a passenger car and a truck - after two years I am more impressed that ever! What a small package and awesome use of space!

    The packaging on the xB - flat sides, tall roof, tons of leg room for both front and back passengers - is just amazing. No other car comes close in terms or ratio of interior space to exterior volume. I saw another one today and don't mind the blunt front end as much, after all it may be blunt but it doesn't present nearly as much area to the wind as other vehicles.

    I have only test driven an xB (I owned an xA and have owned many other small cars) so I don't really know if it is quieter than my somewhat buzzy stick shift xA, but I can tell you that if the xB were upgraded to a 1.8 liter engine with a 5 speed automatic, or even to a 5 or 6 speed automatic with the existing engine, it sure would be tempting.

    I'd also like to see side curtain airbags, they have them on the xA but I understand the xB is an older design and they are harder to retrofit.

    I can't believe Honda is missing the boat on a people-mover of this efficiency. You think Honda would up the ante by building a box on the new '06 Civic platform - with the larger, more efficient 1.8 engine announced for the Civic, a little wider body for a little more elbow room, it would be very interesting.

    The xB is the greatest car to come along since the minivan, which was a reworking of the commercial vans that we lusted after for surfboards in the '60's and '70's. No, it won't bring your stuff back from Ikea - but it will park anywhere, deliver 30 mpg and up, carry 3 friends VERY comfortably to lunch, and handle like a go-kart. Show me another vehicle that can do that, that doesn't cost $30k or more and get 15 mpg.

    I sure hope Toyota can figure out how to meet the increased demand for better side impact protection. I think Toyota's heart is in the right place ( stability control and ABS is included in the base xB) but I hope they can successfully update this slightly old (in Japan for years) design.
  • geekaygeekay Posts: 51
    You hit the nail right on the head. All these manufactures have a great range of these cars in other markets, but somehow for the biggest market in the world they hesitate to bring in more fuel efficient, radical designs. It is high time these guys jumped in and got their act together, that will give the much needed boost to domestic makers to change their way of thinking and meet the need of the hour. Just my 2 pennies worth. BTW I (read my son), drive a Xb that has 8000+ miles on it since 3rd week of Apr, and we average 35+ MPG. Been used for hauling passengers, cargo and even bagged trash. Could not be happier.
  • nowakj66nowakj66 Posts: 709
    Are the 2006 models here yet?
  • aathertonaatherton Posts: 617
    A salesman told me the 2006 xA and xB were not expected for two months. I don't remember if that applied to the tC. Here are the 2006 changes:

    Significant Exterior Changes
    1 Upper/Lower Grille - Honeycomb inserts (like TC); Rectangular, more aggressive
    2 Lower Intake - More aggressive design
    3 Headlamps - Detail changes; "eyebrow" added
    4 Rocker Panel - Color-keyed; more refined
    5 Turn Signals - tC type signal in outside mirror
    6 Tail Lamps - Re-design emphasizing width
    7 Lower Bumper - Color-keyed; improved integration
    8 Wheel Covers - 3 new wheel covers (now all shared w/ xB)
    Noticeable Interior Changes
    1 Seat Fabric - Freshen appearance
    2 Steering Wheel - New steering wheel with audio controls
    3 Meters - Background changed from white to silver on speedometer
    4 iPOD/Mini-jack - iPOD and mini-jack connectors added to center console
    5 Audio Head Unit - New design to be shared on all 3 Scions
    2 New Exterior Colors
    1 Added 1EO, Flint Mica and 3Q3, Salsa Red
    2 Dropped 1E3, Phantom Gray Pearl and 3P2, Black Cherry Pearl
    Product Freshening
    1 3 new wheel covers (shared with xA)
    2 iPOD/Mini-jack connectors on center console
    3 New audio head unit design
    2 New Exterior Colors Effective December 2005
    3 Added 3Q3, Salsa Red Pearl and 1F4, Shadow Mica
    4 Dropped 6M7, Camouflage Metallic and 3P2, Black Cherry Pearl
    Product Freshening
    1 Steering wheel audio controls
    2 New audio head unit design (shared w/ xA & xB)
    3 iPOD/Mini-jack connectors (inside center console)
    2 New Exterior Colors
    5 Added 1F7, Classic Silver Metallic and 8S6, Nautical Blue
    4 Dropped 1E7, Silver Streak Mica and 8P4, Indigo Ink Pearl
  • jamesgangjamesgang Posts: 47
    "...4 Dropped 6M7, Camouflage Metallic and 3P2, Black Cherry Pearl..."

    This is good news. Chose the Camo because I expected it to be one of the least favorite colors. Come to find out, there is another in my small; one I see on a semi-regular basis a bit north; and one on the dealers lot.
    Got so tired of seeing my Taurus/Sable in tan metalic at every corner ;)
    Crooked Chris Camo
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