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And there are customers who waste salespeoples' time by coming back several times, test-driving and then don't buy the car from that salesperson.
As far as the going to back to the manager, I wish I had the authority to do my deals--but this salesperson only goes in and shares the offer and tries to get the best for both his customer and his company.
Per the comment about $1000 dollars less. I sure understand that. Sometimes that happens with trade-ins or price. If you have a real offer that is $1000 better and gave the opportunity but they could not match--of course you should take the better deal. You also are looking out for your family.
THIS year, right?
Jeez, I remember when the release date was supposed to be sometime in July....
I think Honda and Toyota are playing a game of 'chicken' to see who releases firm info on equipment levels and pricing first....
I think the forces are working and the car buying is getting better, easier, courteous with less cheating and more cheer but a lot can be improved. Some day car salespeople would understand that a customer is never under obligation to buy, not least because you have been “nice” to the customer and spent a "lot-of-time", which by the way was never required. May be, salespeople will change the view that there are no stereotype customers and it’ll be a good start.
There was a big hope that internet will change the hassle of car buying that the dealer network has created, did that happen?
They only list cars in stock, but someone so focused on the deal should understand you will have to wait until vans are in stock to get anywhere with discounts.
Not to mention it could take years. You're better off buying a vehicle where supply exceeds demand, i.e. a buyer's market.
-juice
If VCM gives you 28MPG and Hybrid gives you 30MPG, it wouldn't seem justifiable for the increased cost of Hybrid.
I heard the Hybrid Toyota Highlander SUV gives you 28MPG. Big deal. The 4 cylinder Highlander already gives you 27MPG highway. Is that cost effective? Doesn't sound like it to me.
Keep in mind that's 28 MPG with a V6 and electric motors creating about 270 HP. The 4 cylinder Highlander won't even be in the same league. IIRC, Toyota is touting the performance virtues of hybrid technology on the Highlander and RX400 - not just the efficiency.
But it'll be the first hybrid to market that targets performance, not just economy.
I guess they're hoping it doesn't get compared to lesser SUVs, but instead high-tech and performance SUVs that cost a bunch more.
Prius offers things like Bluetooth and early on you saw ex-Mercedes owners among them. It's an interesting niche, they're not there just to cut on fuel costs.
-juice
I believe the Accord Hybrid will beat the Highlander/RX400 to market. I know that Toyota delayed the RX400 to ensure that the pipeline was full and to provide some added test time.
So the Accord should be the first to target performance...
So, my question is does anybody have concerns about the engine being new? Many people have voiced to me not to buy the new model because it has a new engine and to wait at least a year.
Any thoughts on this?
Thanks
That's in reference to the Toyota Highlander/LexusRX400h.
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Salesman was told Highway Mileage was 28 MPG
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I wonder how much, if any, prices might come down by then.
Actually, a fair amount of the energy used to recharge the batteries comes from regenerative braking. This is one of the reason that hybrids typically have BETTER city mileage than highway. Around town, they can use more electric power for acceleration or low speed driving, and then regain some of that energy when slowing down or stopping.
"If I wait until I can find out TMV--which will be in late November, I guess--does anyone think I am cutting it too close for comfort, with regard to the end of the year?"
Opinions vary, of course, but I think that demand will outstrip supply for at least the first few months- I believe the only way to take delivery this year on an order placed in late November will be to work with a dealer who adds expensive options which you must buy. I think that the dealers who sell at a fair market price (probably MSRP to start) will have waiting lists which require considerably longer than 5 weeks to get a van.
If devlivery before year end is important to you, you might want to consider putting down a refundable deposit now.
I bought my '03 Accord in October of the new model year for about $1200 off sticker (tried to use the Camry as buying leverage, didn't work). A co-worker of mine bought his Accord in the spring for about $2000 off sticker. He saved an extra 800 bucks while I enjoyed my car an extra 4-5 months.
The discounts are usually proportional to depreciation values. That is why I will not buy leftovers at the end of year. Basically you are buying a used car in terms of residual value.
I always buy my cars at the end of the model year or even a leftover, if it exists, well into the next model year. The discounts on the these cars can get very attractive, and I keep my cars 10 years or more. At that age of vehicle, what counts is the condition and mileage, and model year matters little.
Buying any new redesigned vehicle right at the beginning of its model run almost guarantees you will pay the most for it.
I would suspect the 2005 Odyssey will not command MSRP for long as their are too many good competitors out there at this stage of the game from Toyota, DaimlerChrysler, and Nissan. Honda is not the only one in town with a stowable rear seat anymore, which was one reason it was in big demand when the current model was introduced.
Step back everyone, take a deep breath and tell yourself "I will not be caught up in a feeding frenzy having to have the first one on the block" Do that consistently and you might be able to retire early and really enjoy life!
They are the top dealer in the area, I forget what you call them, but I am not stuck on buying it with them as I have some other contacts. When I went up yesterday to put my deposit down I first went into the service department to see if they would treat me any differently if i did not buy the car there and they told me no so I am going to go for the best price and hope someone may go $500 below sticker, let me know if you have any recommendations thanks
1) You can get the 8th seat as an option
2) No HID headlights
3) Front and rear parking sensors
4) Two glove compartments
I live in Austin, Texas. Which dealers should I consider "pre-ordering" from? Does it matter? How can I research their reputations? I've never dealt with Honda before.
Also, anything special to know about the pre-ordering process? Should I provide as little info to them as possible, try to bargain a little, what? Any warnings of what to watch out for? Do you give them a credit card imprint? A check? Help please!
Thanks!
For hot hybrids people have done that.
-juice
And we don't know how long the wait will be for the price (or the waiting time) to come down. I doubt very much that 2,000 savings will be available in 4 to 5 months.
Ask the dealer to write "Deposit is Refundable" on the order form. As for payment method, it is easier to fight a credit card charge than to get you money back after writing a check.
As for what to look for, one thing is that a reputalbe dealer will not say that the price is only good today. They will tell you a price whenever.
VCM on a paper, like I stated before looks like a real fuel saver. Problem is in City Driving, VCM cannot deactivate 3 cylinders in a V6 and still push around a 4000 lbs plus 2005 Odyssey. The truth is VCM will really save fuel on a open highway situation. Isn't it funny, but that is exactly the operating criteria for the most useless feature on all vehicles today in our Grid lock environment, the Cruise Control. In reality, VCM is not a new concept to all manufacturers. GM invented it in the late 70's and used it in the early 80s with disastrous results. A 26 State, Class Action Lawsuit nixed the V8-6-4 design in early 80s. So your statement about VCM only has Merit for highway conditions. Unfortunately for Suburban(City Slickers) dwellers like me, VCM has no value at all and based on it's abysmal history, I'd be very wary of it on a first year design!
I think all their reputations are decent but don't expect any kind of price breaks below MSRP if you pre-order based on the demand for the Ody's. Any deposits you put down will be refundable. The secret is actually getting the refund. Using your credit card should be best; don't use a check.
I wonder if I should put a deposit on an '05 Sienna, too. That seems kind of like overkill since I don't hear people chomping at the bit to get at it. Nevertheless, what if people like me are waiting for the '05 Ody to see if it's really quieter, then if it isn't are "running out" to get the '05 Sienna. Am I being a worry wart or should I reserve the '05 Sienna just in case? One thing about reserving that car is that I'm kind of hoping it will have at least a little discount to compete with the new "hot" Ody that I'm sure all the media will praise.
You could almost walk into any dealer and buy any brand right now except a 2005 Odyssey, so what's the problem?
Want a super quiet van with fold into the floor both rows, completely flat, then your friendly Dodge or Chrysler dealer can sell you a 2005 model off the lot right now.
The only reason for you to wait and buy a 2005 Odyssey is if you think there is going to be something on this particular minivan you can't live without, which I really doubt.
You are getting paranoid, there is more production capacity for minivans than there is demand.
These aren't exotic sports cars, just minivans. You are thinking too much.
Deposit on an '05 Ody makes sense (to me at least). Best way I know of for you to ensure a nice long test drive before you decide if you want one or not. All dealers should have some written policy in regards to the form that the deposit should be in and the manner in which the deposit is refunded. If they claim the deposit is non-refundable (or if there is any kind of refunding fee), then run, don't walk, to the nearest exit...
I am glad that you all don't think I need to put a deposit on a Sienna, too. I will just do the Honda and wait and see.
I wish someplace in Austin had an '04 Sienna with DVD and RES. None do. My son has some scrimmages in Houston this weekend so I might get to sneak away to Toyota lot there and find one. Does anyone know how big their DVD/NAV screens are?
I keep my cars from 4-5 years and put a lot of miles on them so if I liked the Sienna's NAV/RES and they'd discount it for me, I'd go ahead and put myself out of my misery and "pull the trigger" as you say.
One more thing--a lot of people are worried about the new VCM on Honda. How big of a worry factor is that?
LOL! Do you feel better now?
Personally, I'm not sure what to think about VCM. On the one hand, I remember the problems GM had with the technology back in the 80's. On the other hand, Honda has a way of making cutting edge technology WORK, right out of the gate. I think their VTEC technology is amazing, is probably more complicated than VCM, and (if I remember right) worked from the beginning.
I also think GM has a form of this currently in production (Cadillac?) but don't know how it is performing. If the VCM was being offered by any company but Honda/Toyota, it might give me pause.
Go have another strawberry kiwi calorie/sugar/fat/carb/caffeine/fun free (lord, what's the point?) fruit fresher and don't worry about it.
Depending on how this is done (VCM), it may not be any worry. That is, if the default is normal engine operation if it breaks, than it's not really risky. Of course, if it fails and you end up permenant 3 cylinders, than you might notice.
That's why on submerines the ballast is held in by force, not expelled, so if the power fails it will rise to the surface instead of staying underwater.
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Honda's VCM is of course using an OHC engine, all other cylinder deactivation engines are OHV and from what I recall the engineering for the latter is easier.