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My current Accord has melted M&M's and spilled pop/juice on the seats. The floor has matching decor with old fries, the odd sock and crusty hamburger buns...I can't see paying 38K+ for a mini-van, but mid to low 20's seems ok.
Too bad there isn't a DX model. I can slide my own doors and roll up my own windows. If my wife didn't insist, I'd even consider not getting the ABS and air bags etc.
Priorities:
Safety (I know the ABS propaganda)
Price
Reliability
the rest is just "fluff"
As for sour grapes, perhaps for some but not certainly not for me. I wouldn't buy it if they had it. The only reason I would consider AWD on a Sienna is because it includes other things I would want, such as rear disk brakes, VSC, and side curtain airbags. These are optional on the FWD, but we all know about Siennas and option packages.
The most glaringly problematic things for me are what a lot of others see:
no way to get 8 seats and a power liftgate. I have a Red Touring with DVD/NAVI being built for me week after next, but I may have to pass in favor of the EX-L because I do want that 8th seat. (note that the reviews are comflicting at to its value - one said store it in the garage, another said comfortable even for an adult).
Does Hondas ANC work if the sound system is turned off?
Does it used the same set of speakers as the rest of the audio system?
If speakers are shared, how does it work if you are playing something else through the audio system? i.e. if you crank the sound system, is the anti-noise also "cranked"?
This is a feature that just seems awesome if it really works.
Anyway, here is the quote (and notice Honda's sense of humor in the last sentence.
"The ANC system uses a microphone at the front of the vehicle interior to create "anti-noise" through the audio system speakers.
More specifically, the audio system analyzes the sound waves entering the cabin, and then instantaneously creates an opposite sound wave (anti-noise) to cancel the unwanted noise."...
"The system will not counteract voices inside the cabin whether desired or not."
Also, the VSA (stability control) system is much better than traction control or AWD at controlling skids in snow. VSA works when braking and steering; AWD doesn't. Both Mercedes and Toyota have said that stability control systems are the most important drivetrain innovation for controlling a vehicle and avoiding accidents - more important than AWD. VSA should also be better than traction control at accelerating on wet or snowy roads.
just my 2 cents. I swore i'd never pay for trac control again after the last exp. w/ mercedese.
Ace
If you can put a spare in the Touring model, then you can have the best of both worlds. If you are going somewhere and don't have time to take the van in for service, or if you want to just drop the wheel off and continue to drive while it is being repaired, then you could put the spare on. Or you could go to the dealer and get a new wheel and tire installed while you wait. Of course, you would also have to get a jack to use the spare, but you may be able to buy a spare and jack as parts from Honda.
Having both is best, but if I have to choose between them, VSA is the clear winner. AWD will help you not get stuck. VSA will save your life and the lives of those in the vehicle. The studies that have been done show this, and that is why so many car makers are rushing to put stability control on their vehicles, especially in Europe, and why our federal government is considering making it mandatory on at least all SUV's.
but to your point, I think ANC is made necessary by VCM- VCM is putting 3 cylinders in charge of pushing a 2+ ton vehicle down the road and even when coasting on the freeway those 3 cylinders must scream pretty loudly to get the job done. So VCM saves on gas but creates more noise. ANC defeats the extra noise so you get the gas savings without the noise. Do any Lexus or Toyotas have VCM?
As an added benefit, the ANC will also help defeat other steady road noise which enters the cabin.
It will be interesting to see just how successful this is when C&D does its official tests and also when we get to let our own ears check it out.
2020 Acura RDX tech SH-AWD, 2023 Maverick hybrid Lariat luxury package.
Khanh
Do you know why there will be added noise (that needs to be canceled) when it goes to 3 cylinders?
I hope Honda has planned for this scenario.
Kewl.
-juice
The Navigation system will allow for voice recognition that will accept Full Street Addresses...cool.
I test drove an Outback in a snow storm after driving there in my Integra with 4 Blizzaks. They both accelerated about the same, but the Outback could not turn or stop nearly as well.
Do not put snow tires only on the front wheels of a vehicle. When you hit the brakes you will quickly find that the front stops and the rear does not - you will quickly find yourself facing the wrong direction. Been there done that.
Where I live the roads close well before I have any trouble getting around with snows and FWD. Once got stuck in a blizzard and had to drive 100 miles through 5-10 inches of fresh unplowed snow (everything is far away in South Dakota). Harrowing and slow going, but doable. And yes my bumper was acting like a plow.
It may not sell at same levels as upper level trims, but giving a choice at lower price level isn't a bad idea. Heck, just drop in a detuned version of Accord V6 in there if that can help trim down a few hundred dollars.
Here is a video to illustrate functioning of the VCM introduced in Japanese market Inspire about a year ago. Inspire is basically American Accord with cosmetic changes on the outside with “TSX-like” interior, and powered by 3.0-liter V6 w/VCM (the engine expected to be here in Accord Hybrid).
Video – VCM
The Official Feature Matrix Is Here
VCM is independent of ANC. VCM (Variable Cylinder Management) is another implementation of the grand old design that VTEC is. In a way, the concept behind VCM is a part of almost every 4-valve/cylinder VTEC engine. The difference here is that all valves are closed for half of the cylinders instead of half of the valves in all cylinders. At low enging speeds, almost all VTEC engines are designed to operate in 2-valve/cylinder mode and ultimately switch to 4-valve/cylinder mode at higher rpm.
Not exactly dubbed VCM, but Civic Hybrid gets its own variation, and has had it for two years in the market now. The HCH version of the VCM triggers only during deceleration (when it shuts down three of four cylinders).
ANC is a simple and proven technology, available at a Best Buy in your neighborhood. It involves a microphone to receive “noise” and create an out of phase “noise”. This is basic wave re-engineering. Read the link (Bose) that I provided earlier, if you have not already.
Also reminds me of an editorial I read in 'Autoweek' entitled, "When Everybody Drives a Luxury Car, Will Anybody Notice?"
But don't you agree that all machine/circuit eventually fail, even as simple as a hammer. My question is what will happen IF the ANC fail? You just can't rule out this possibility, even it has less than 0.1% chance. Can you imagin you're in that situation?
On top of that, all circuit will delay action no matter how instantaneous it is. A circuit just can't predict an action, it has to follow an action.
On top of that, all circuit will delay action no matter how instantaneous it is. A circuit just can't predict an action, it has to follow an action.
CE model is for people like my brother's father-in-law. He ordered a stripper Chevy Malibu with a manual transmission back in the early 80's. Waited three months for it. There will always be buyers out there who throw around nickels like they're manhole covers.
You may read tirerack.com if you're interested in the TPMS.
Basically, new Odysseys use air pressure sensors inside tires and wrapped around the wheels. This is the more accurate ways among all. The data is transmitted to a wireless receiver near by the tires and connected to the computer/display. Computer can be reset to allow tire rotation, etc.
Early methods of TPMS includes measuring tire diameter change. This is the low-cost approach since the sensor is shared with ABS/VSA. However, this method tends to create false alarm. It needs constant reseting and calibration. If not, it would not detect slow leak or it would generate false alarms. Either is not good.
On top of that, all circuit will delay action no matter how instantaneous it is. A circuit just can't predict an action, it has to follow an action. <
In my opinion, if the ANC should fail, the biggest issue is the vibration and noises created from it. Vibration can be isolated with sophisticated engine mounts. Vibration noises have to be dampen by ANC. When it fails, you just feel the engine is more noisy than usual. Probably the same level as an OLD inline-4 engine without balance shafts.
ANC is based on electronics feedback loop. It acts very quickly. You can buy an ANC headphone for $60 and see how well/fact it works. It is said to reduce 10db of noise.
I've heard reports of the Sienna AWD runflats running out of tread in as little as 20,000 miles, barely a year's worth of driving. The hassle of a new set of tires every year alone would be enough to hack me off, much less if they cost $150+ each.