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  • jimhemijimhemi Member Posts: 223
    The one they're quoting me is Sport with the 22B package. Sticker is 25,755. Similiar to yours?
  • spetespete Member Posts: 73
    Your recommendation of the BFG tire is the way I was leaning at this point - partially because I have a dealer not far from me - and also because my son runs them on his 99 Ranger which he has modified for "mudding" up in the UP -and he loves them. I will also check out the Cooper and Bridgestone tires others have recommended - I do plan on getting the 235's when I make the change - I may be lucky in that I work with a young guy who may take the ST's off my hands - of course he says the "price has to right" - (my thinking is that the ST's are really worth nothing so I WILL give him a good deal)
  • moparbadmoparbad Member Posts: 3,870
    No regrets. I obtained my Limited for $900 less than employee pricing. I live in Chicago area (many, many dealers) and there was not a Limited with the equipment I was seeking within 100 miles. Most dealers had Sport's with no options. 05's are few and far in between. If you like ESP, wait for an 06, if you want limited slip rear axle, better find an 05.
  • vtdogvtdog Member Posts: 163
    I would buy again. Only problem in 10k miles was EGR (waiting for part) which is under warranty. Tire issue is just cheapness by DC, but I could live with it were it not for snow here (NH).

    As for purchase, I got about 1,500 off sticker in April '04, but I also got free oil changes/yearly inspections for life of car. As oil change is expensive for the CRD its something you might try to get. I also got them to throw in free "slush" mats and spare cover WITHOUT dealer logo.

    Good luck
  • butler2butler2 Member Posts: 1
    I do have a problem with the Liberty Jeep Diesel. I fell in love with the style and the fact it was diesel so far as fuel cost (that is down the tube -- just paid $3.05 a gallon - $54.00 for 18 gallons!).

    However, my complaint is several:
    1) The air/heat vents keep falling apart -- going on my 3rd replacement and only had the vehicle since May - it is a 2005.
    2) Problems with rear differential - pinion seal replaced (and vents) just last weekend.

    3) Problems with the Onboard Diagnostic System!!

    Yes I do regret getting this vehicle and I am checking into Fla. Lemon Law.

    C Butler
  • anomiousanomious Member Posts: 170
    I have the "C" package, security group, and the power sunroof...Sticker was $26,635
    LK
  • jimhemijimhemi Member Posts: 223
    Thanks LK.
    The previous post with rear pinions and a/c vents being screwed up are making me lean towards the 06. Thanks for the tips
  • willysjeepwillysjeep Member Posts: 107
    Your recommendation of the BFG tire is the way I was leaning at this point - partially because I have a dealer not far from me - and also because my son runs them on his 99 Ranger which he has modified for "mudding" up in the UP -and he loves them

    Good information - I have some chance of moving over there and it's nice to know what would be some good "Yooper" tires.
  • indianrefiningindianrefining Member Posts: 102
    Where do you find the build date (and, apparently, time of day) for your Liberty? All I can find on the placard on the driver's door is a "build" of 5-05.
  • alljeepalljeep Member Posts: 35
    I have only owned for 6 days now, but have gone from 17 miles to 500 miles now
    with no regrets. I live in Indianapolis, IN but I drove up to Kokomo, IN (about
    1 hour north) because of the great selection at McGonigal Jeep (zip code 46901
    if you want to search on jeep.com).

    I agree with another poster here that the 2005 CRD Libery Jeeps are few and far between, but they had 8 of the 2005 CRD's in stock until last Friday when I swooped in on a light khaki metallic sport. All of their inventory has good options. I found EXACTLY the color and options I wanted. Most of theirs have the optional SRS side curtain air bags which was a big deal to me. If your going to spend this much money, what's an extra $490 to save your melon in a rollover accident?

    My rig is optioned as follows:

    Light Khaki Metallic Exterior/Cloth Khaki Interior
    Customer Prefered Package 22C
    Trailer Tow Group
    Supplemental Side Air Bags
    5-Speed Automatic Transmission
    Trac-Lok Differential Axle
    2.8L Turbo Diesel Engine Package
    Power Sunroof
    Sirius Satellite Radio

    MSRP: $ 27,745
    EP: $ 25,118
    Fin. Reb. $ -1,000
    Doc. Fee $ 75

    Final Price Paid $24193 (included a full tank of diesel and two free oil
    changes).

    I think that's a fair price since I got exactly what I wanted. They also gave me
    high blue book value for my trade in (about $1000 over what other dealers would
    offer).

    They have 3 more CRD sports optioned just like mine except for missing the
    Trac-Lok Differential so go check them out!

    Now I'm looking for adequate skid plate protection as even if mine came with the
    MOPAR factory skids, they only protect half of the oil filter, so I'm glad mine
    did not come with the factory skid plate option as I can better protect it with
    after market equipment.
  • alljeepalljeep Member Posts: 35
    As far as rear pinions and broken a/c vents, that just sounds like some bad parts. This same trac-lok axel/rear differential has been used in the Liberty for years. If you find an '05 with the options you want, go for it. There will not be employee pricing for the '06 models and they will not be willing to negotiate down on the '06 models for quite some time. Besides, the '05s have the 7yr/70,000 mile power train warranty that does specifically cover this new diesel engine.

    From all the inventory searching I did to find a khaki liberty CRD, most of the country is selling out of these. The only reasonable supply I see left is here in the MidWest region for whatever reason.

    Check out Champion Jeep here in Indianapolis(zip 46268). They let me test drive their black CRD Sport overnight. They have 4 CRD's and have the trac-lok rears, but no side airbags.....
  • anomiousanomious Member Posts: 170
    Hi! Under the left side of the barcode on the same sticker that has the 5-05 there is a 6 digit number. Mine is 032108 That's Mar. 21st 8th hour.

    Good luck! LK :)
  • caribou1caribou1 Member Posts: 1,354
    If yo choose BFG, look out for the load rating. I'm using BFG T/A and the 225 is higher than the 235. I have to be able to put chains in the winter so the 245 is not adequate. The BFG T/A is really a good tire and it has side grips that the REVO doesn't have. It gets a bit noisy when the pavement is wet, so I pay a bit more attention.
  • caribou1caribou1 Member Posts: 1,354
    If you have the opportunity to inspect a mechanical diesel injection pump you will rapidly understand the subtility between the two systems. I've been using diesels for more than 25 years and the reaction of the throttle control/regulator has not changed with the common rail.
  • moparbadmoparbad Member Posts: 3,870
    Chrysler Group is extending the warranty on diesel engines in all 2006 model year vehicles; the Diesel Engine Limited Warranty covers engine parts and components up to five years or 100,000 miles.
  • winter2winter2 Member Posts: 1,801
    I do not have any regrets. I had one failure, software, at 568 miles. The dealer had the CRD for less than one day after re-flashing the controller and adding an update. Outside of that, it has been perfect

    The tires were rotten, but I knew that when I purchased my CRD. The dealer bought them from me for a good price and discounted the mounting and balancing fee for my new tires.

    Servicing this thing is a breeze, with what little there is to do.

    Fuel economy continues to climb and highway mpg is approaching 30mpg on a regular basis. Mixed city/highway averages about 22 mpg.

    The really great thing about this CRD is that my wife likes it alot, especially out on the open road. Great ride, good stable handling and power when you need it.
  • colocrdcolocrd Member Posts: 6
    Regrets? You bet, I would not recommend this vehicle to anyone. EGR, transmission, overheating (still), low ground clearance, electrical problems, pathetic dealer service, no Chrysler service at all…don’t do it. If you like diesels, consider the VW TDI or if you need the truck, maybe Ford or GM; anything but the CRD.

    Good luck!
  • anomiousanomious Member Posts: 170
    Hi! Spete! Check out Ebay item 8003111965...it's a 2005 front bumper cover. one bid $25 so far.
    Good luck! LK :)
  • spetespete Member Posts: 73
    Thanks!! I had not even considered going to Ebay - I will let you know how I do!
  • jimhemijimhemi Member Posts: 223
    Colocrd, guys like you keep me thinking that maybe the 2006 is the way to go as they will have the glitches worked out, i.e. trans issues/torque convertors, computer issues(Reflash? Come On!), EGR working the way it should. I need an SUV so the VW is out. I would never buy GM, just the cheapest made trucks in the U.S. I'm worried about the lack of diesel trained mechanics at some of the dealerships which is why some owners may be waiting for parts and service for longer then normal periods of time. Speaking of dealership and trained techs I will purchase from a dealership that sells Dodge and Ford, at least they have some Cummins/Powerstroke trained mechanics that can always offer advise. You have all been helpful and I appreciate the advice. Don't want to buy a CRD :lemon:
  • rnaborsrnabors Member Posts: 25
    I have no regrets. The only issue I had was the rear brakes making some noise in the morning. The CRD is great in my book---the engine is a real delight, good fuel mileage, great warranty, rides and handles well, nice appointments, etc. I find the dealer very responsive and have always found jeep to do the right thing. I have seen no statistics but I suspect of the 5000 2005 CRDs sold the number of problems for a new model is no worse than any new model and maybe better. Don't let a few unfortunate experiences sway your opinion.
  • anomiousanomious Member Posts: 170
    Sorry...I just reread "Rules of the road #9. :cry:
  • eastjeepeastjeep Member Posts: 2
    Just wondering if anyone has found any good deals on a chip for there CRD yet I found one on Ebay but it's $599.00 Also I was looking for a cold air intake so I can increase HP and fuel economy even more.
  • moparbadmoparbad Member Posts: 3,870
    What is a KJ?
    Each new unique model of vehicle that Jeep makes is given a two letter model code. For the new Jeep Liberty (starting 2001), that model code is "KJ". Modern Jeeps all have model codes ending in "J". For instance, the latest Jeep Wrangler (97-current) is a TJ and the Jeep Wrangler prior to that (years 1987-1995) are YJs. Cherokees are XJ's while Grand Cherokees are ZJs.
  • lightnin3lightnin3 Member Posts: 153
    I hear you my friend.Keep trying to get the dealership to fix all your problems.
    There are fixes on this board that may help.The warranty is solid.

    Sounds like a lemon to me.I don't have any of those problems.

    I would bring it to the dealer and get the manger involved .
    Make him aware of the problems .Hand him the keys and give ultimatums.State that you have never seen a vehicle so problematic,and that DC should be made aware of the flaws.This isn't incentive to buy another one.

    Your still getting a more versatile vehicle,and diesel engine is more efficient than a gasser.

    I live in Canada just paid .99 cents/litre for diesel. Thats $4 US.
    It is still better than gas which is at $118/litre..Hmm.. that figures into $4.72 US.
    At 26- 31 mpg , it is still livable.
    Speak Soon ..
    Lightnin3
  • lightnin3lightnin3 Member Posts: 153
    The dealership also carries Class 3 hitches for towing. you never know in the future you might want to tow a trailer,or throw bolt on , hitch mount bike rack.
    I think they go for $400.
    Glad to hear another happy customer.
    Speak soon ..
    Lightnin3
  • indianrefiningindianrefining Member Posts: 102
    Well, I'll be durned. Thanks, LK!
  • bullheadbullhead Member Posts: 125
    My delights far outweigh any regrets- so far, at 6.4k.

    Would buy again, changing own oil is easy (if spendy), oil drain plug is tough to crack open first time; but doable with a consumer grade allen wrench. No sign of any EGR problem, but I do tend to power-up into full turbo-boost more often than more conservative drivers. I have noticed lots of emissions on boost after my wife drives for a day or so. There's something to the "nose-blowing" analogy that penalizes purely conservative drivers. Ride that rocket !!

    The Liberty CRD brings style, handling, performance, fuel economy, all-terrain ability, and proven towing ability to the table (show me another rig the can ably tow a 2-ton trailer down very steep, primitive logging roads, then get 19 mpg towing it in the bottomlands).
    Do not buy one if you don't plan to tow and will do little open road or off-road traveling. You'll not get the benefits of its sturdiness (ie. weight) and you can do much better fuel-wise. However, if you just want the heavier projectile in a crash of economical rigs, it's it.
  • budsjpbudsjp Member Posts: 25
    Can you describe further the problem with the differential that resulted in pinion seal being replaced? What were the symptoms and the problem(s) that occurred to alert you to the problem? Thanks.
  • hermithermit Member Posts: 15
    Still loving my new crd and ave ~ 23-26 mpg driving in the mountains. Have taken it over several 13,000 ft goat trails and it did awesome!
    However, when commuting and coasting down the mountain for 10-15 minutes and get into an area where it flattens out, when I press on the gas (diesel) the engine starts stuttering almost like it is running out of fuel. Tried easing off, then applying more pressure, but it takes a good 2-3 minutes until it runs normal again. Also difficult to start at times.
    Has anyone else had this issue of engine stuttering before, and if so how do I have mechanic correct?
    Also no Shell stations in my immediate area, only Conoco. Should I add an additive? If so, what kind and how often?
  • caribou1caribou1 Member Posts: 1,354
    hermit,
    I think there are two possible causes for what you describe as "stuttering":
    - mine will do this when the tranny has not yet downshifted and RPM are too low to shear the converter's friction
    - the EGR stays open when you are coasting

    What I do is go into Neutral, give it a bit of acceleration and shift back into Drive. It takes a second and I know what's coming next...
  • dacurdacur Member Posts: 10
    Please offer help/suggestions: I am not getting the MPG that most of you seem to be getting and I'll take any suggestions offered. I've traded my Dodge Ram 13.5-15 mpg tank and now use my CRD to pull a 22' Deck boat/trailer combo (3,600 lbs). Pulls great and people give me strange looks with my 24' trailer/boat combo.
    Problem is the MPG (without pulling the trailer)
    I am averaging 20-22 mpg overall and most is on the hwy. I drive in the 65-70 mph range and it doesn't matter. I've tried going 60mph and it didn't do much to improve mpg.

    ---- K & N filter.
    ---- Amsoil 5-40 Euro blend synthetic
    I did put on Cooper Discovery ATR 235/70 R 16 when I first bought the CRD. Does anyone think they could be costing me 4-6 mpg?? I figured on about a 1- 1.5 mpg loss. I have them inflated at 35 psi cold.
    So far I have s 10,000 miles on my Libby and love it except for the MPG not being what is advertised.

    Thanks in advance
  • westie1westie1 Member Posts: 3
    Its strapped to your engine oil dip stick tube. Ya a dumb place to leave it by the supposed Dealer prep process.
    I suspect that the engine was shipped from Europe with all loose ends strap tied to convenient parts with the thinking that the assembly at the factory or dealer would route the plug in wire next to the radiator.
    Well it didn't happen to catch anybody attention until you looked and I found.
    Westie
  • feltoncfeltonc Member Posts: 6
    My spouse ordered a '02 Limited 3.7V6 w/auto in Aug '01 and drove it 116,224 miles when she traded off for a '05 Limited CRD last week. The one bad experience we had was we changed trans. fluid at 60,000 miles and the service tech didn't install one of the filters correctly and the liberty stalled with a 2000# boat in tow 300 mi from the dealer. Luckily, we didn't continue to drive it, had it towed to another dealer, put in new filters and fluid, and drove it another 55,000 mi. The five star dealer picked up all the costs for correcting the mistake. My spouse is a public health nurse out in the prairie in rural MN. She likes the liberty for her drives, thus our recent purchase of the CRD. No problems whatsoever except for the recall. Changed oil every 6000 mi, replaced spark plugs at 90,000, still had 40% on brake pads then. Downside, blind spot when backing up, fuel mileage, and 18.5 gal. fuel tank which required filling every 3rd day. 1st looked at a CRD in August but there was no EP until 3 weeks ago. EP and rebates brought the '05 CRD down to $850 less than the MSRP of the '02 and got antilocks which we didn't have on the '02. Ist tank was 380 mi/16.4 gal. about 23.5. Not going to worry about it till we take in for the 1st service. My spouse didn't want to trade because she just loves the '02 liberty for its driveability and the color (steel blue). I wanted to trade for the CRD's fuel mileage and longevity, we have mandated B2 here in MN for some of the emission problems and we have a heated garage for hopefully limited winter fuel problems. So far she likes it except for the color(atlantic blue) even though it has more motor noise. Time will tell on the rest.
  • hermithermit Member Posts: 15
    caribou1 thanks for the info- will try your suggestion next time it happens.
    Now about fuel additives- what is recommended? I primarily drive in the mountains and it gets pretty darn cold up here come winter.
  • farmdieselfarmdiesel Member Posts: 9
    Caribou,

    I'm having a hard time understanding your statements in the most recent post. I didn't distinguish between mechanical injection and modern, electronic fuel injection. I simply indicated that your distinction between gas and diesel engines was not well founded, nor well explained. However you get the fuel into the engine, assuming constant gearing, the engine will produce X amount of power from Y amount of fuel. Gas engines have the additional constraint of the throttle butterfly, which is not present on diesels. Adding forced induction, changing the gearing, adding computer-controlled fuel injection (which may change the amount of fuel being introduced even when the throttle position doesn't change) affect the calculus, but your basic statement in the post starting this exchange was still misleading. And incidentally, if you believe that the changes between mechanical injection and CRD technology are subtle, then I'm not sure what would constitute a major change.
  • indianrefiningindianrefining Member Posts: 102
    Probably a dumb question, but does our CRD engine have 4 injectors (1 per cylinder) or just 1 injector (into the intake manifold)? What is the method of activation - electronic or mechanical? If mechanical, how is it set up? (I'm assuming, here, that each of the 2 overhead camshafts is devoted to either the 8 intake valves or to the 8 exhaust valves, so what works the injector plungers?)
  • winter2winter2 Member Posts: 1,801
    To answer your questions

    1. Each cylinder has it's own injector. Only air travels through the intake manifold.
    2. The injectors are electro-mechanical
    3. Your statement about the camshafts is correct. The camshafts operate the valves only.
    4. The injector plunger is operated by a solenoid and a spring.
  • winter2winter2 Member Posts: 1,801
    Get rid of the K&N filter. There are some earlier posts in this forum from people who used the K&N filter. There was a deterioration in economy. Also since diesels suck in much more air than a gasser, they would need cleaning more frequently and may let more dirt pass into the engine.

    As for the tires, I am assuming they are all-terrain type. Depending on the tread design, and considering you went to a somewhat wider profile, that might account for about a mile or so in loss of fuel economy.

    I do not know if you are a lead foot, but a light foot on the accelerator helps quite a bit. While accelerating, try keeping the RPMs at 2500 - 2600 or less. As for fuel economy, I generally exceed the EPA highway mileage rating by 2 - 4 mpg. For mixed city/highway, I get 20 - 21 mpg. If I drive straight city, 18.5 to 19.5 mpg.
  • lightnin3lightnin3 Member Posts: 153
    Helloooo Dacur ! ...

    Well you've come to the right place...
    At least one of us can find a solution for you.

    First off , We need to find a few pieces of info,off of you Ok?
    One is , what is the rear end gear ratio ,on her?? A 3:55 ,or 3:73 ??

    A lower gear ratio would make up that 2-4 Mpg...
    But there are other ways to get around that.

    Definitely get some road tires.
    These are the highest rated tires you can find.
    I have had excellent results with these..
    My suggestion without doing too much is to try getting a set of cheapy steel rims,
    16 inchers and get yourself either some Michelins LTX A/S or M/S ,or
    Goodyear All Terrain T/A KO . <$ 110 - 145 U.S./tire>
    Keep them at 36 psi.
    Keep the Coopers as a back up set , for the rough stuff ,bad weather , backroad mudbogging tires
    The idea is to lose some rubber weight , and drag co-efficient which will help on the highway.Those lugs you got are slugs...

    Next is to do some maitenance on your tranny .
    Do a routine tranny fluid and filter change...<$ 110 U.S.>

    It sounds like she's been through some rough towing.
    This reduces the longevity of the tranny fluid.
    Plus not to mention , you probably have all kinds of metal fragments floating in there from the initial break in period which needs to be cleaned out..
    This can reduce the efficiency of the engine/tranny,and cost you $$$ 's in mileage.

    Last off , I would stick with the recommended Mobile 1 synthetic 0W40 oil for the engine
    till the warranty is done, plus I feel this is the better more efficient higher grade oil.

    But that's my .02 cents Canadian ,which ain't worth much... :shades:

    Hope this helps.
    Good Luck ..
    Lightnin3
    ___________________
    If you want the mileage, DO ! the maintenance ,
    It'll pay off in the long run. " An ounce of prevention..."
  • indianrefiningindianrefining Member Posts: 102
    Thanks, Winter!
  • winter2winter2 Member Posts: 1,801
    I agree with most of your recommendations save for a few items.

    1. All CRD's that I have seen come with a 3.73:1. ratio. That is a lower ratio than
    3.55:1. As gear ratios approach 1:1, they are considered higher than those further away from 1:1.

    2. Tires are sort of a personal thing. I tend to avoid Goodyear because they are terribly overpriced and offer only marginal performance. Michelin tires are good, especially in the dry. Most of their tires are quite allergic to water especially after they are 1/3 worn or more. The TKO tire he mentions here is quite good. It is made by B.F. Goodrich, not Goodyear. I like Pirelli, Yokohama and am growing rather fond of Bridgestone. I have had very good luck with Pirelli. They have two drawbacks. One is ride. They tend to be a bit harsh but offer amazing control under all conditions. Their second problem is durability. If you get 33K out of them , you have done well. Personally, I like the control over the durability. Yokohamas are nice. They stink in snow, but are otherwise a very nice tire.

    3. As for the oil, Amsoil is fine. I find Mobil 1 to be an over-hyped product. I have used Amsoil for years and it has no impact on the warranty, I find that Amsoil is slipperier than Mobil 1, has better flow than Mobil 1at colder temperatures. Also, the 5W-40 formula offers better protection (detergency) than Mobil 1 considering that ULS diesel is still not available in my area. Also, Mobil 1 uses more viscosity improvers than Amsoil. The viscosity improvers come apart under stress and heat.
  • winter2winter2 Member Posts: 1,801
    You are welcome.
  • moparbadmoparbad Member Posts: 3,870
    Amsoil is not certified to the specifications listed in the owners manual. It does not meet warranty requirements for the CRD. If you have info. that shows Amsoil is now having it's oils certifed please share it.
  • willysjeepwillysjeep Member Posts: 107
    Here's two cents American. It doesn't buy what it used to.

    Drive at a constant RPM. Use the cruize. I've seen a lot of people hit the gas then hit the brake, etc. Use the Cruise. The people who vary the speed a lot take a big hit on their mileage for some reason.

    Has anyone got a kit out yout to relocate the oil filter? I could see it gettin' clobbered by some stump or rock in the middle of a logging road. Sometimes those ruts settle pretty deep and the hump in the middle of the road gets grown in and rises high.
  • new2dieselnew2diesel Member Posts: 148
    I just bought a new 2005 sport model CRD with tow package and paid $22,600 for it. First of all I could not belive how good of a price I got. I choose the 05 over the 06 because of the 7/70 warranty which no longer comes on the 06, and the additional incentives.
    So far I have been thrilled with its performance. Solid riding, peppy, quiet enough, and good mileage. I read this board before buying so I understood how to drive a diesel - keeping it in the ideal rpm range and setting cruise control. The dealer filled the tank and I drove it 125 miles (115 of it on the highway). I kept the cruise set on 65 (1900 rpms) and gased up whrn I got to town. This trip right out of the box got me 28.9 ! Even if my math was slighly off, that is pretty darn good for a 4X4.
    Anyone have any additonal tips for mileage?
    also, how about break in - the maual says very little about it.? I read you should accelerate hard evry so oftent to help seat the rings.
    Does anyone have any expereince with the "Predator" module which claims to increase MPG 10-15% and boost power by 60-150 hp? Is that a hoax or true? They run about $600 on ebay.
    Thanks. :D
  • steverstever Guest Posts: 52,454
    Congrats! Please report on the details over in the Jeep Liberty: Prices Paid & Buying Experience discussion (diesel purchase notes are appreciated in there too!).

    Check out Gas Saving Gizmos & Gadgets too. The operative words to look for are up to - if the ads say that, keep a tight grip on your wallet. :shades:

    Steve, Host
  • caribou1caribou1 Member Posts: 1,354
    You should probably buy the diesel fuel that is already protected for -25Celsius. It takes quite a long while to really freeze the fuel, and just a few hours of sunshine will liquify it again. I saw over TV that certain russians leave their engines running all the time to avoid freezing. That's around -40/-50C :sick:
  • caribou1caribou1 Member Posts: 1,354
    The major difference with the modern diesel injection systems is the finer mist that increases the active surface of the fuel to air contact. Combustion is easier to obtain and you can turn it off quickly to save on gas and pollution.
    The difference between gas and diesel is that for a given throttle aperture, say in percentage, the behaviour of the gas engine will allow to reach max rpm level with no load or going downhill whilst the diesel will not.
    Driving downhill in the mountains even on steep inclines can be done with very little assistance from the brakes. When I go into LO mode, I often have to accelerate in order to keep a decent speed. This works as long as the engine stays under 2200 rpm. My brakes show practically no wear at 57,000 Km!
  • acemicrosacemicros Member Posts: 2
    Hi y'all,

    What a great forum you got here.
    I am leaning towards the 2006 J. L. Diesel automatic , because my wife can't drive stick & since we're both used to driving each other's car for many reasons, I like the automatic knowing the stick is better in many ways, so my question is:
    Is the automatic reliable when driving in mountainous terrains and heights like San Francisco?
    And one more thing is 27k a good price for a 2006 JL diesel 4X4 automatic ? and does the 2006 come with Trac-Lok Differential Axle ?
    Thanks a bunch
    Ace
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