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Jeep Liberty Diesel

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  • anomiousanomious Member Posts: 170
    YES!!! :blush: Thanks again for your help! My Actron scanner didn't show any problem and I was worried. The dealer still hasn't called back with the definition.

    Lunch! My treat! LK :)
  • winter2winter2 Member Posts: 1,801
    Your on for lunch. When and where? Glad I could help.
  • supertechsupertech Member Posts: 32
    Hi , I have finaly have gotten information from my alldata . This engine Rocks all state of the art Barrel crank shaft,cracked connecting {big end]rods.The rocker arms even have a prestressed spot to break first if ever there piston to valve contact! I have 6000 miles on my wifes limited and love it no problems
  • supertechsupertech Member Posts: 32
    How rusty was your toyota? my 1996 grand cheroke was spotless at 208,000 miles when I traded for the CRD liberty .Japan makes rust buckets!
  • rnaborsrnabors Member Posts: 25
    I am also interested to know how well the deflector works. If you get one please post the results.
  • winter2winter2 Member Posts: 1,801
    My 1993 Dakota had 125+K on it when I sold it. A tiny bit of rust under the tailgate and a little on the passenger door. Otherwise it was flawless. Still had original ball joints, tie rod ends. U-joints, rack and pinion, exhaust system, except for three clamps and one hanger. Pretty good for a domestic.
  • supertechsupertech Member Posts: 32
    I have owned a 1996 4 runner nothing but rust and high parts costs. The Jeep I owned needed just maintanice the cost was nothing front rotors for under $20.00 rear under $25.00. My tranny,fuel pump,altenator,exh..sat all made over 208,000 miles.I hope the new Jeep holds up that well
  • anomiousanomious Member Posts: 170
    Hi! I have a rear deflector on my Cherokee Sport. It's an aftermarket one and looks a lot better than the Mopar one. It does work! The rear of the jeep stays as clean as the rest of it.

    Go for it! LK :D
  • bhcs111bhcs111 Member Posts: 26
    I have a Liberty that has a birthday of 01-24-05. No problems other than EGR and with that mileage going up and down from lower 20's to 30 mpg. the 30 was on a trip to Ohio back to Iowa for the tractor pulls. Have about 15,000 miles on her and it gets lots of gravel travel and I drive sometimes like I stole it. Seems to help driving it like you stole it for the cleaning out the EGR and the mileage.
  • bhcs111bhcs111 Member Posts: 26
    Sounds like you got the diesel for the same reason I did. I had a 2004 F 150 and it was breaking the bank when it came to filling it up. It would pass anything but a gas station. I have had a couple of diesels over the years to and I'm glad to see them coming back. I didn't need the power and pull of the Cummins or the price of the engine either so this fit right in.
  • bhcs111bhcs111 Member Posts: 26
    Yes I have one on mine and it seems to help. I got it put on before it left the lot. About half my miles are put on by driving gravels. It seems to keep alot of the dust and mud off the back window, unless you have a real strong wind hitting you in the back.
  • dzl_loudzl_lou Member Posts: 16
    Those instructions are plain wrong!
    Push and hold the trip odometer reset then move the ignition to ON, while still holding the trip reset. You will see all the warning lights turn on~off and the gauges (RPM and Speedometer) make their revolutions. At the end where the odometer reading is located you will see any trouble codes appear if they have been stored by the ECM. :mad:
  • anomiousanomious Member Posts: 170
    Hmmmm! The off-on, off-on ...worked for me! I will try your way too! :confuse:
  • unclebubbaunclebubba Member Posts: 80
    Okay, so now I have fallen prey to the "dreaded EGR failure"!! :surprise: This in spite of all the effort to deter the inevitable. Got the "check engine light" while on a recent trip. Checked the manual and it said "unless the light was flashing, it was safe to continue driving, but get it checked at first opportunity". No performance or power lag. In fact the mileage was quite good, about 27mpg at 70 mph. Dealer checked code, called STAR and EGR valve was ordered.
    I am hoping this will be less of an issue once the ULSD is is introduced in 2006. Happy Holidays and a Merry Christmas to all on the board. :)
  • winter2winter2 Member Posts: 1,801
    I spoke with my dealer yesterday about the EGR failures. DC has not told them why they fail, and the diesel mechanic has no idea why they fail. They did not think it was related to the fuel or the high sulfur content of the fuel. What is interesting is that the replacement EGR has a totally different part number than the original. We must have gotten a bunch of bad EGR valves from Bosch. I still feel it is fuel related.
  • boilermaker2boilermaker2 Member Posts: 131
    Worked for me too. Even said "done"

    I think what dzl_lou is referring to is the method to check that all of the dash light, codes and sirens are working. :shades:
  • boilermaker2boilermaker2 Member Posts: 131
    In the literature that Jeep will send to on request it describes the transmission:

    Transmission Five-speed automatic with alternate second gear ratio, second overdrive and lockup torque converter; electronically controlled.

    Now if somebody that understands transmissions would explain this work of art (and frustration to some :lemon: ) I would appreciate it. Illumination on the second gear ratio and second overdrive would be helpful.

    Very impressive on paper, hope they get all of the kinks worked out soon :):(:blush: .
  • anomiousanomious Member Posts: 170
    Hi! Just keep using #2... Years ago #2 was not winterized and it would gel with falling temperatures. I have been driving diesel cars since 1968. back then, 60's and most of the 70's the fuel was not winterized and we had to mix as much as 30% #1 to keep it from gelling. No longer a problem. Just keep using name brands from busy stations and you;ll be ok.

    http://www.astm.org/cgi-bin/SoftCart.exe/STORE/filtrexx40.cgi?U+mystore+hsax4127+-L+DIESEL- +/usr6/htdocs/astm.org/DATABASE.CART/REDLINE_PAGES/D975.htm
    Copy and paste to read about the different diesel fuels.
    Good luck! LK :D
  • winter2winter2 Member Posts: 1,801
    Actually the two second gears are easy to explain. They have different gear ratios. One of them is used during upshifting to third, the other is used when downshifting from third, but when you are looking to pass someone quickly. The second gear that is chosen is dependent on throttle position.
  • unclebubbaunclebubba Member Posts: 80
    I'm with you, I think it has to do with fuel too. Especially after speaking with the product development/promotion regional manager from DC. He's an Aussie and said the only place they experience EGR failures has been North America. :surprise: Go figure.
    ? :confuse: Otherwise, this has been a great little vehicle.
  • bhcs111bhcs111 Member Posts: 26
    Just make sure you go in and double check and make sure they have winterized fuel. If it doesn't have the additives for winter then they will blend it with number one fuel. Not every place puts in the additives.
  • bullheadbullhead Member Posts: 125
    You provide really great information explaining the anomolous rpm vs. speed readings I've observed.

    Thanks Winter2!
  • derbs24derbs24 Member Posts: 17
    My F150 was terrible! I just couldn't deal with 14mpg out of a modern fuel-injected vehicle. I really liked my F250 diesel, but it is just over-kill for me now. I enjoy the turning radius and ease of driving my little Liberty. I have a soft spot for diesels, I hope the market continues to grow.
    Jason
  • indianrefiningindianrefining Member Posts: 102
    Boiler -

    Run the whole procedure by me, one more time. I've tried everything short of clicking my heels three times and saying, "there's no place like home", and all the damn odometer shows is mileage. :confuse:

    - Indian
  • slottedslotted Member Posts: 5
    I told a friend that I'm seriously thinking about buying a diesel and he told me to check out www.vegpoweredsystems.com. The whole idea seems pretty cool, but I'm not sure if it would be worth giving up the cargo area to install a second fuel tank. I've read some msgs about biofuel and veggie fuel, and their drawbacks, but this seems like a pretty well thought out system. If it would really work I might check into it when the powertrain warranty runs out. I don't know enough about diesels yet.
  • bhcs111bhcs111 Member Posts: 26
    The big diesels are over kill for me also. I have a real soft spot for them to. Guess that comes from being a farm boy. Driving the Liberty is a lot diffrent than the big pig F 150's. If I want to drive the big trucks I just get in one of the semi's that we use to haul hogs or grain.
  • towwmetowwme Member Posts: 52
    Here is some information on our trannies. Oh, the TC has plastic stator in it.

    It is electronically controlled by the TCM or Transmission Control Module. This module is the heart adaptive shifting programming. The TCM depends on data from several sensors and switches to determine driver demand and the Jeep's operating conditions. Controls are in place to protect the transmission from damage from high temperatures. The TCM protects the transmission by modifying shift schedules, line pressure and converter clutch control. These controls reduce the amount of heat that is created and increase cooling of the 545RFE. The 545RFE is contained by a one-piece die-cast aluminum case. To reduce NVH, integrated into the case are ribs to increase multi-angular torsional rigidity. There are dual lubricant filters in the 545RFE. First is the customary internal main sump pan filter; second is the external canister-type pump return filter (the TBS on the TC draining while sitting).

    545RFE Maintenance Recommendations
    Fluid Capacity for Service fill (drop pan, change filters, refill): 6.2 Liters or 6.55 Quarts

    Fluid Type: Mopar ATF +4, or any Dexron IV approved fluid )

    Torque specifications:

    Oil pan bolts: 11.8Nm or 8.75 Ft Lbs
    Primary fluid filter screw: 4.5Nm or 3.33 Ft Lbs

    Gear Ratio
    1st 3.00 : 1
    2nd 1.67 : 1
    2nd Prime 1.50 : 1
    3rd 1.00 : 1
    4th 0.75 : 1
    5th 0.67 : 1
    Reverse 3.00 : 1
    Torque Converter Up to 2.40 : 1 :D :shades:

    Jope this helps.
  • frank9425frank9425 Member Posts: 11
    The answer the dealer gave you about the battery was probably well-meant, but incorrect. That could never be the cause of the problem. Something went wrong with circuitry that processes or displays the information and it had nothing to do with the voltage (current) applied to the vehicle's battery.
  • winter2winter2 Member Posts: 1,801
    A plastic stator in the TC?!? A little scary. A little bit too much heat and the thing is jello. Methinks I will be adding an additional trans cooler even though I do not tow.

    I my view, there is too much reliance on sensors and software. DC and others are trying to save weight, but in this case, in the wrong place (my opinion). I can live with the aluminum case but would prefer more steel and less light metal and/or plastic in the guts of the trans.
  • winter2winter2 Member Posts: 1,801
    In a recent post, someone commented that the "Optima" battery found in the CRD was meant for European models only. I have seen this battery on sale in MD for several years prior to the release of the CRD this model year.
  • winter2winter2 Member Posts: 1,801
    In a recent conversation with a service writer at my dealer, he stated that this country is still not ready for diesel. He feels that the memories of the GM fiasco are still too fresh in many people's minds.

    What is intriguing is that DC and VW do not advertise their LDD very much if at all. In MB commercials, the CDI is just barely mentioned. In the local paper, VW rarely mentions the TDI and Jeep only mentions the CRD if it is excluded from certain rebates.
  • cu1981cu1981 Member Posts: 13
    I had one put on my CRD at purchase. I works OK I guess. May make a big difference off road or dusty roads. I put one on mine because I like the look of it. Have always had one on my SUV's over the years. Nice add and I would purchase another one if I buy another CRD.
  • new2dieselnew2diesel Member Posts: 148
    No rust anywhere on the 4Runner. Good vehicle. A bit under powered even with the v6.
  • caribou1caribou1 Member Posts: 1,354
    You're going into a nested loop!
    Just read again post #515
    The next killer is a german import of a diesel Toyota 4 Liters old fashion diesel + egr valve. This will be the true competitor that just needs a set of 'Snap-On' tools to tune for life.
  • paulc7paulc7 Member Posts: 5
    I was told by a service manager/mechanic, at an DC dealership that the Optima battery is essential for the CRD due to additional vibration from the engine . They are more expensive , can operate upside down , & are used in many race car applications & do better in the colder climates .
  • new2dieselnew2diesel Member Posts: 148
    I remember a thread on water stains on the Libby seats. We had 7" of rain yesterday and I got in my Libby with a wet raincoat. Sure enough, I now have light stains from the rain on the seats. Did anyone find a good resolution to this issue? I called my dealer and he said take soap and water to the seat then blot it up with a towel. Now there's customer service for ya!! I fully intend to turn this in as a warranty issue if it worsens. Who makes a "trail rated" vehicle that gets seat stains from rain water? I only have 3800 miles on this 2 month old vehicle! :mad:
    Help please!
  • bcnailbcnail Member Posts: 10
    Glow Plug problems
    I recently took my jeep to the dealer for a CEL problem. At the same time, the glow plug light would go on after I started the jeep and stayed lit for a while, then it would go off. After MANY tests, they ordered a new glow plug. I had noticed that my milage was horrible, too. I was getting about 22mpg on the highway.

    bcnail
  • winter2winter2 Member Posts: 1,801
    I looked at # 515. I have been driving Chrysler/Dodge since 1987 and my wife since 1989. In that time, only one computer has ever failed us. Outside of that they have been fine. Had the software flashed on the CRD at 586 miles and since then fine.

    I am bothered by the use of more silicon to control just about everything, but with emissions control and fuel economy being significant issues, you can understand why.

    As to an old fashion diesel with the rotary distributor pump, no thank you. The complexity of the pump is worse than any computer control on the CRD. An EGR valve? Had one (or something like one) on my 1981 Isuzu diesel. Never gave me trouble.

    You have given some good advice on maintaining the EGR valve and overall performance of the CRD. The EGR problem in NA is related to the rotten fuel and it's high sulfur content. In the EU, you have better fuel. I feel that once USLD arrives here in 2006, things will improve somewhat. A serious increase in cetane is also needed so that the fuel burns more cleanly leaving less carbon, etc. to gum up the works. Other thing I do is change the oil more frequently. The TBN number on the 0W-40 is too low and it has a problem with vaporization at high temps. Have switched to Amsoil 5W-40. Very low vaporization and a TBN of greater than 12. Oil changes occur every 5K miles.
  • vtdogvtdog Member Posts: 163
    I finally got rid of the awful ST tires today by changing to Michelin LTX M/S 245/70/16. The tire size is almost the same diameter/width (less than 1% diff). Go to http://www.miata.net/garage/tirecalc.html for a comparison of tire sizes.

    The CRD rides "harder" with the new treads, but I don't know if it is due to stiffer tires, or air pressure. On the way to the store it was raining hard and (as usual) I had to put the car into full time AWD to keep from sliding around. On the way back, it was raining harder and I did not need the AWD. In addition, coming out of my street, the new tires do not spin when I accelerate.

    My belief is that the designer of the ST tire should be arrested for impersonating a tire engineer and the DC person who selected those tires should be forced to ride his family around in a vehicle so equipped. In my 40+ years of driving those were the worst tires I have ever had, including the cheapos I used to buy when I was much younger.
  • ke4itnke4itn Member Posts: 12
    The dealership tells me that the ABS module has lost logic or is fried, why the J1850 error message has come up. They are replacing he module. They say it's coming by truck from Michigan, who knows. The service manager asked how long had it been since I replaced the battery. I told him it was stock. the Optima. His reply was we ain't never seen that battery in a Liberty. I told him that was what was in it. He would have had to replaced it with another Optima if he had taken it out or showed me something from DC that said take it out. Whoever got the Mopar battery in exchange from the Optima, I think you got had.
    Will let everone know if replacing the ABS module fixes the error.
  • bhcs111bhcs111 Member Posts: 26
    People need to forget about the GM fiasco and start thinking about the diesels that are on the market now. They are diesels and not a converted gas to a diesel. I have wrenched on many of the old GM diesels. Mainly changing them out for a gas 350. I had a 6.2 in a chevy 3/4 and it was a real good engine. But that was a diesel engine not the converted gas. It needed more power for what I was doing with it at the time. We still have one that is running and runs good. Only thing that has been done to it has been heads. The body is what is the worst on it. It is a 1982.

    I'd buy another CRD in a heartbeat. And that may happen if they offer the 0% again this year. Mine will be a year old in Feb. I think it has to be one of the first ones off the line.
  • frank9425frank9425 Member Posts: 11
    I tried the Off-On X 4 and a code of P0299 was displayed on the odometer. I checked what the code means on an OBD Code chart found on the web. To my surprise, there is no P0299. There is a gap between P0296 and P0300. Does anyone know what it means? Is there a way to clear the code(s) or do they disappear by themselves when the problem is corrected? :confuse:
    Thanks!
    Frank
  • siberiasiberia Member Posts: 520
    Frank,

    I had the engine light come on, steady not flashing, and it went off after a few days. The code (P0501 I think) eventually went away on its own. If the problem is transient the code you have may or may not clear after a number of drive cycles. I now have an actual computer code that I am waiting to see if it will clear (U1412). I did not find this code under automotive codes, rather it is a computer specific code meaning “computer interrupt,” maybe.

    I looked into buying a ScanGauge OBDII reader and queried the company about compatibility. I got the following response:

    The Liberty Diesel has been reported to have some problems with part of the data stream randomly stopping. We think it is a bug in the vehicle ECU. We will probably be adding this vehicle/engine combination to our "incompatible" list soon. Sorry.

    In spite of this the vehicle runs fine. My advice is to ignore the codes unless the engine light stays on for an extended period of time (more than a few drive cycles) or it is flashing. However, I would not go out on the road with the engine light on.
  • frank9425frank9425 Member Posts: 11
    Siberia,
    Thanks for the info. Very interesting about Libby's data stream being intermittant. It makes you wonder if it isn't sometimes intermittant when sending data to the engine or trans or whatever.
    Fortunately for me, the engine light has never come on. That code is only displayed when I do the Off-On-thing to dispay any codes in the computer. All in all, the vehicle runs great and I've had NO problems with it. My only disappointment is, I wish the fuel economy was better. I get 22-26 mpg (depending on the road, etc) which seems to be typical. I was hoping for much better, but I guess that is not going to happen.
  • fustfust Member Posts: 29
    contacted dealer today to meet with dealer rep, i still have a fuel pinging sound and very low fuel economy, this problem started before I had the glow plugs replaced and is still there, one more interesting point is the mechanic told me when they removed the old glow plug a piece was missing and dc engineering would not give them the go ahead for any other trouble shooting, they were informed only to replace the glow plug and clear the cel???
  • spetespete Member Posts: 73
    I have not checked this forum for a few days so may have missed some of the comments on noisy brakes - but I too, have very "noisy" brakes while backing out of my garage in the morning. They "clunk" as if something is out of place. The trouble is that after driving a few miles forward the noise goes away - so I can never get it to happen while at the dealer. I could leave it overnight but need my Jeep daily - so far nothing bad has happened and I figure that sooner or later there may be a "fix" or recall - As far as mileage - I now have close to 14000 miles on my CRD and have averaged slightly over 24 mpg. I have calculated mileage after each fill since new. I have had a high of 30.5 on a 750 mile freeway trip - and a low ow of 19.5 while pulling my small cargo trailer. I am very happy with fuel economy.

    I would like to know how others have solved the problem of finding a hitch insert that is long enough to extend beyond the spare tire hanging on the back. The longest insert I could find still is not long enough to allow me get the hitch of the trailer down over the ball. I have had to get the local welding shop to extend my insert another 1-1/2" - It sticks out a long way and know I have to be careful with tongue weight. Anyone else have this problem?
  • winter2winter2 Member Posts: 1,801
    I wonder if that missing piece of glow plug is rattling around in the cylinder? Also, the pinging might be coming from a stuck/bad injector. That could explain some of the bad fuel economy you are getting.

    The glowplugs are made from a ceramic material. I wonder if that piece has melted onto the head or top of the piston and is forming a hot spot so that when the fuel is injected, it causes pre-mature ignition, thus the pinging.
  • boilermaker2boilermaker2 Member Posts: 131
    Insert and turn key directly to On, back to Acc and back to On, back to Acc and then to On. Stop on ON. (Not trying to write to you like I talk to my 4 year old, just being succinct). You do not have to be fast just deliberate. One more thing, it is the first thing I do when I get in the vehicle. I do not know if this process would be affected by driving, turning it off and then trying the diagnostics but it might.

    In addition, I do not have the nice information center overhead. I just have the odometer readout. If you have the overhead console, you may want to look up there. I don't know. However, I do know that other information is given up there instead of in the instrument cluster according to the manual. Maybe someone else could comment on this to clear things up.

    Good Luck. BTW, walked back out to the Jeep this morning and tried this process before I came back to write this. It worked. Said "done" then went back to the normal mileage reading.

    Boiler
  • fustfust Member Posts: 29
    Thanks for the reply I had suggested to the service advisor there may be a problem with the injectors but their response has been unless something breaks or the check engine light comes on there is nothing they can trouble shoot, this is the reason I have requested a meeting with the dealer rep, keep you informed.
  • winter2winter2 Member Posts: 1,801
    I would agree with the service tech. If an injector had failed, a light would probably come on. But then again, it might be in a borderline state so that it operates adequately enough not to send a code to the computer.

    Pinging is indicative of pre-mature ignition. Either the injector sequence is fouled up some how or else there is a hot spot, like a glow plug not shutting off or that piece of the original glow plug stuck some where causing the injected fuel to light off prematurely.
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