Jeep Liberty Diesel

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  • jimhemijimhemi Member Posts: 223
    thanks
  • faroutfarout Member Posts: 1,609
    caribou1: When I tried to move the flap valve it was moveable. I think the electronic part that actually moves the valve is what went bad. So just cleaning the valve I doubt would do anything but make the valve clean when it's turned in for replacement. Perhaps the heat is a factor that causes the electronic part to go bad? I wonder is leaving the valve open does any damage? Because you do not have one, do you still have the same EGR valve as we do? It sure is in a difficult spot to reach. What would happen if the EGR was removed, would it still run good, or better?
    There is a article on Mikes totally Free Jeep News that shows a company that puts the 2.7 or the 3. in the JK for a near $24,000. Now that's a bargain for sure. It's a toy for rich boys. And a divorce for a middle aged man.

    Farout
  • faroutfarout Member Posts: 1,609
    semperfi06: The PCM is the controller that the shift points come from. In my case they replaced the PCM and the shift points were much lower to get into 5th OD. Yesterday I got it to shift into 5th OD at 48mph, and just a hair above 1,500 rpm's.
    I have not tried this but someone a good while ago talked about disconnecting the positive cable from the battery. Let is sit for ( I am not sure but I think it was) 2 hours. Hook the batter back up. The PCM will retrain itself and if you drive as you want it to shift it will relearn itself. I believe someone said every 50 restarts the PCM re-programs it's self. I wish I was more sure of what was said. Perhaps someone else can recall it complete directions.
    Dod Overland Park Jeep get your fixed up? They sure have a bunch of Compass's listed in the Jeep list of vehicles. What I could not understand how we could get a 06 Liberty with a sticker of $25,000. and we got it for $18,650. and a Compass equipped kind of close was nearly $22,000. and NO DISCOUNT whatsoever! The Compass is better looking that the Caliber, but both are basically the same. The Compass will never make it as a Jeep with big number of sales. I do think the Patriot will be a better vehicle and sell more than the Compass. I expect that the Patriot will be more money than the Compass, who knows?

    Farout
  • faroutfarout Member Posts: 1,609
    anomious: I looked and it gives 20 more hp and 23 mor foot pounds. That does not sound like a lot for the price, does it? Or am I looking at the chart wrong?

    Farout
  • faroutfarout Member Posts: 1,609
    It is an 8mil. allen type of plug. There is a washer that may be reused. That's if your talking about the oil filter.

    Farout
  • faroutfarout Member Posts: 1,609
    mdamick: How many miles on your CRD? If some problem disabled your CRD could you easily fix it so it would work, so you can take it under warranty? When you say 27 mpg what kind of driving are you doing? What id some other reason for the MIL to come on happens? Can the light work in some way without the EGR system. I am just speaking in a way like if someone were thinking about this. I am sure no one would really do something illegal. Just what if's ok?

    Farout
  • nescosmonescosmo Member Posts: 453
    Carabou1... That is great but what should i do in my situation. The air control valve go to the intake manifold so the amount of air going in is control, when the temp of the engine increase so is the nox and the egr valve allows a predetermined amount of exhaust gas to mix with air and the EGR cooler will cool the gas more. ? if we install a fix pipe through the EGR cooler and meter the amount of fresh air coming in can we maintain a low nox permisable by law and keep the engine at full power?; can we maintain low rpm?; with the correct mixture would it be to hard to adapt a pipe through the EGR cooler. Thanks

    Nescosmo
  • semperfi06semperfi06 Member Posts: 20
    Farout: I think I will try what you suggested and disconnect the battery for a few hours...can't hurt. I will let everyone know what happens. I don't think that after 50 restarts the PCM will reset itself for this shifting issue. We have had our Liberty for 11K, and I know we have restarted it much more than 50 times, and we have not yet had a trouble light come on.

    SemperFi06
  • dirtmoverdirtmover Member Posts: 14
    "Yesterday I got it to shift into 5th OD at 48mph, and just a hair above 1,500 rpm's."

    In 5th the TC should be locked which means that the engine speed versus road speed is a fixed ratio, about 26.5rpm/mph in this case. Sure you can change the shift points by reprogramming but you cannot change gear ratio which is a physical property of the transmission. If you are travelling at 48mph your engine speed should be about 1270rpm unless, of course, your TC is not locked?
  • justmecwjustmecw Member Posts: 20
    I have the one that gives a 60hp and 100 ftlb increase.
    i get no error codes with it. Works great and i have no complaints. I would rather have one from bully dog but they do not make one yet.
  • caribou1caribou1 Member Posts: 1,354
    Farout,
    We both have an EGR valve:
    -yours is hard to reach and down on the driver's side, cooled and moved electrically,
    -mine is on the passenger's side, sits above the hot exhaust manifold and moves with vacuum (like the brake booster).

    On your truck the vacuum solenoid that's behind the air filter box is used for moving the turbo vanes, on mine it's the same solenoid sitting at the same place used for the EGR valve.

    You use the Flow Control Valve to mix the gasses, on mine the mixture is done by "an evaluated drag" of the exhaust gas along the tubing that runs around (behind) my engine.

    This also partly explains why you can have more torque at low revs without having emissions problems. If I use a simple clip-on' kit to boost performance I will emit a lot of smoke below 2200 rpm and I could clog my catalyzer.

    When you disconnect the EGR Flow Control Valve you cannot choke the engine anymore to stop it smoothly, and you can't accurately control the amount of exhaust gas being recycled. To avoid problems I think it's best to disconnect both the EGR valve solenoid and the Flow Control Valve. Whatever you disconnect will make the Lambda sensors scream for help and give you adrenaline.

    To answer your question "does the engine still run good" the answer is yes compared to when the valve needs cleaning and no compared to a good valve. In my case the shifting pattern was not repeatable because my EGR valve was not closing fast enough and the PCM was delaying the shifting sequence because the engine could not accelerate according to mapped values. It was too slow because it needed more oxygen, just like cigarette smokers. By disconnecting the valve everything became perfect like when the truck was new and this condition remains unchanged after 3 years of ownership. The mileage is said to be 3% less when the EGR system is used. This is too little to make sense in this case.
  • caribou1caribou1 Member Posts: 1,354
    Nescosmo,
    I doubt you can survive by mixing and cooling gasses experimentally. I would rather investigate more towards the cause of the electrical failure of the EGR flow control sender. Someone could open his valve while it works and post a few pictures to have a lead.
    I once had a head lamp connector destroyed by presence of oil fumes under the hood. It was probably not well inserted, heated and combined with oil fumes the plastic felt like a crushed soda biscuit.
    I could well imagine the same applies to this valve if the connector over heats. :confuse:
  • mdamickmdamick Member Posts: 277
    My CRD has 57500 on it today.
    The only thing that I have disconnected is the EGR valve plug, a pain to get to but not hard to reconnect should it be necessary.
    The 27 MPG is up & down hills and some interstate and seems to depend on where I buy fuel. Safeway seems to have what it likes.
    If another system failure causes the MIL, I will miss it. As long as it runs good I don't have a problem with that, but I am looking at getting a code reader to keep track.
    Disconnecting the EGR is probably illegal, but I cause a lot more pollution with it on and the Flow Control Valve failed.
  • mdamickmdamick Member Posts: 277
    How is it off the line and what has it done to your fuel mileage?
    Any other mods done as well?
  • goodcrdgoodcrd Member Posts: 253
    Has anyone been able to get the coil resistance values for the coil on the EGR flow valve and EGR valves. The heat these units must survive in could be causing these coil to weaken to the point that it can't operated correctly. Before changing anything, if someone with a failed unit can ohm out the coils it may shed some light on what is going on. Next question. Can the coils be replaced on these units.
  • massappeal106massappeal106 Member Posts: 26
    I've had a hard time locating a fuel filter. Any suggestions? Will I have to go to the dealer?

    thanks!

    Justin
  • faroutfarout Member Posts: 1,609
    massappeal106: O'Reilly Auto Parts has one listed, but it has to be ordered. The Filter is fairly new and it may be hard to order. I believe I was told the price was about $27.00. I would be a little uneasy if it is a off brand. I do not think DCX actually makes the OF filter. The only thing that gives a clue is the Made in Germany on the OE filter. I have found several prices for the OE filter, ranging from $35. to $57. And one dealer gave me two different prices in less than two days. I have discovered that not only are the tec's lacking, but it seems that the parts people can't get the parts list right either.

    Farout
  • anomiousanomious Member Posts: 170
    Hi! I checked and it's 33hp and 58 ft.lbs.
    It's a very safe unit. Made in Germany.

    Cheers! LK ;)
  • caribou1caribou1 Member Posts: 1,354
    Hey guys, check the Parker-Racor "R20S" filter cartridge.
    I've been using this make since 12,000 miles and I'm happy with it. I paid it less than 30USD and will use it for 25,000 miles. ;)
  • ucanfarmucanfarm Member Posts: 33
    Bought a CRD Last week, fun to drive. Read tons of stuff on here before I bought it. Ran the Vin number on Jeeps page and it came up for a recall before I even drove a tank out of it. Recall is for the computer, as gives off wrong codes about the transmission for a few off the shelf code readers. I am in LA (lower Alabama) Like Rotella T synthetic 5-40, any comments to using it or not, noticed a few posted. Will ask the tech to save my computer settings when they reflash it for the recall, but what do they save it on?
  • mdamickmdamick Member Posts: 277
    I have been using the Rotella for almost 50000 miles. No complaints.
  • nescosmonescosmo Member Posts: 453
    Ucanfarm... Welcome to the forum, you bought the best SUV of it class. The most important thing that you could ever have for the CRD is the tech. do not contemplate on changing tech if you see that things are not going right. The CRD is a diesel and it drive different, for example when you pass someone you accelerate smoothly do not floor it down. when you increase speed do it the same way, use your tork not the diesel fuel. Also keep the air filter clean and buy a Proven 200 for your CCV this will keep the crankace oil out of you EGR and air flow control valve, and it will keep your hoses clean. keep you battery at top shape it is very important you ecu demand good voltage. hope you love your i sure do mine. (it was a miracle that you found one for sale).
  • thstrangerthstranger Member Posts: 60
    I'm sorry to be so dumb, but what is a "PROVEN 200" and what is "CCV" ?? thank you, Skeeter
  • nescosmonescosmo Member Posts: 453
    Thstranger....The Provent 200 is a device that take the crankcase oil vapors and filter it and do not let them go to your air that goes to the EGR valve and components. If you like to see what it look like go to thread #1285 and click there. also you can go to thread #1387. To go to those threads all you have to do is go to the top of the page and put the # on the ( go to msg) spot and it will take you there. to install the parts is a challenge. Also there are others manufactory that have the product made different but they do the same job.
    Good Lock.

    Nescosmo.
  • faroutfarout Member Posts: 1,609
    caribou1: Do you have a web site for this filter? Is this a oil filter or a water/fuel filter? Does France have sometrhing close to our Thanksgiving Day, if so when is it?

    Farout
  • faroutfarout Member Posts: 1,609
    nescosmo: Do you have a ProVent on your CRD? As I remember there was someone who actually made one himself. I think he was from Texas. I think her traded his CRD in on a Big Chevy. If you have one was it hard to install? If we putone on how does this effect the DCX Warranty? This type of filter does seem a good investment, if it really works and does not mess up the Warranty.

    Farout
  • ucanfarmucanfarm Member Posts: 33
    Posting links to a few parts I would like to put on my Jeep. The first one is a link for a ProGaurd replacement air filter and a power module by Diesel Power. He is also taking orders for a custom exhaust system with an improved CAT. http://www.upscaleauto.com/index.htm
    The other link is regarding ProVent. http://www.singhmotorwerks.com/catalog/product_info.php?cPath=27&products_id=194- &osCsid=a12972490caf27ebe299123b6ccdd91c
  • nescosmonescosmo Member Posts: 453
    Farout... Yes i do and you would not believe how well it work. The air hoses are completly red with no trace of oil and the flapper that you just replaced is clean, very clean. To install the product is not that hard; I put my where the ecu is, at the driver side between the brake pump and the battery in that hole, it just stay there and the drain go down with a long hose and a plug at the end. I wish that i could give you some picture but i do not know how to put it to the thread, if you do, tell me how and you will see what i did. It cost me $160.00 with an spare filter, which you do not need i clean my some times with mineral spirit and it work well. If you do this i think that the EGR issue will be almost none existence.
  • anthonykanthonyk Member Posts: 17
    They were blowing smoke!! I asked last time and they gave me my EGR cooler and EGR valve and two sensors. I have gone to the CCV hose I'm hoping to not to have a EGR problem again ( I hope) :P
  • siberiasiberia Member Posts: 520
    They were blowing smoke!!

    Maybe so? Just curious, what was wrong with your EGR cooler? I seems highly improbable that the 4 parts you listed would all fail at once. :confuse:

    Not questioning you - questioning your dealer. Maybe my dealer is not the only one blowing smoke. ;)
  • caribou1caribou1 Member Posts: 1,354
    Farout, here is the fuel filter website:
    http://www.parker.com/RACOR/PRODUCTTABLES/TABLE-MARINE-SPINON.JPG
    Look at the outer dimensions of the spin_on elements. The fastest way to identify yours is by looking at it's height. It should be 9".
    Mine corresponds to the 'model-230' of the 3rd column from the left; it has the fuel heater chamber built in.
    The replacement filter should have "S" marked in the reference meaning 2 micron filtration.

    No, we don't commemorate Thanksgiving Day here. We just try to overcome temptation and that's really hard. :sick:
  • petoskiinspetoskiins Member Posts: 12
    ranger

    sorry it took me so long to respond, I've been on vacation. Yes my sunroof leaks on my Feb. 2006 liberty CRD. It only leaks when I park pointing uphill. They put in new glass with the rubber gasket on and it helped alot but it still leaks a little. The water seeps in past the gasket and flows to the back edge of the sunroof where there is a collection gutter. Its supposed to drain out two drain tubes one in each corner but the flow must be heavy enough to overwealm the gutter and it spills over the edge, travels across the inside of my headliner and pours out the opening of the headliner at the top edge of the windows in the cargo area. I went back to the dealership and he said he doesn't no what else he can do, That it is designed to catch the leaks and drain it out, and that I need to park my car on level ground.

    I filed a complaint two months ago with the customer service line and haven't heard back from them yet.
  • ucanfarmucanfarm Member Posts: 33
    Installed a tow hitch and skid plates on my jeep. Took it for a spin and towed my portable sawmill to the manufacture to do some work on it. Was pleasantly surprised with the turbo diesel, as towed the sawmill up a hill that my Dodge ramcharger (318) would of slowed down quite a bit. I pressed the overdrive off, jumped from 1,800 rpms to 2,400 and pulled it over the hill without even slowing down. On level roads seam like overdrive was doing good. Not used the very slight sway and clinking noises from the rease hitch.
  • faroutfarout Member Posts: 1,609
    I e-mailed V M Motori two days ago, and asked what they thought of a ProVent, and if they saw any reason that Shell Rotella T 5-40w would not be better or equal to Mobile 1 0-40w. The response was significantly different from other communications of the past. In no uncertain terms V M Motori stated that any further communications must be directed to Chrysler Customer Service. V M Motori no longer has anything to say regarding the engine in my Jeep. V M Motori is only the engine manufacturer, and has nothing to say concerning the servicing or repairing of the engine supplied in my Jeep. Please direct all and any communications with Chrysler Customer Service.

    The e-mail was only to be opened with notice sent to V M Motori I did received their e-mail.

    I think that I told DCX Customer Service that V M Motori did not agree with DCX's oil spec's and intervals, might of got some attention. But, then again DCX is not buying any more CRD engines for North America from V M Motori, so what would they gain by spending any more time with our e-mails.

    How do you feel. This "test market" Jeep we bought had better stay together until my warranty is over, or the payments are done.........I hope!

    Farout
  • ucanfarmucanfarm Member Posts: 33
    Don't know all what happened in your email. Give it time. If you look in your history with emailing the V M Motori you might have gotten an email from an individual(s) in the past. I can only suggest that you try contacting them directly instead of a general email address.?
  • caribou1caribou1 Member Posts: 1,354
    Ucanfarm, I think DC (like many others) had not fully understood and prepared their "efficient privacy limits".

    Forums go beyond their structured potential of understanding and fixing problems due to bureaucracy and rules.

    Forums bring a new approach to on-line diagnostic and can be used in a "crash program" to review and solve several issues rapidly. Never forget people read the web and think 24 hours per day around the world instead of 8-12 in a local area.

    This is how the scientific world operates, but business related to mass production needs more time to introduce changes. Business groups call this 'brainstorming', scientists call this 'the learning phase'. In both domains those who propose ideas have to accomplish them.

    The automobile industry is now saturating in the EU with the coming of new low cost asian giants. I guess more e-mail boxes will close like snails hide in their shells. :shades:
  • siberiasiberia Member Posts: 520
    Caribou1,

    In the world that you describe (and I agree with you) customer relations are more important than ever before. Hiding one's head in the sand is no longer an option for a company that is in it for the long run and is not being run by lawyers.

    VM Motori could very easily install FAQ sections on their web site and answer a vast majority of the questions they receive cutting down on emails and the need to answer them.

    Ah, but can you get something like that past a legal department when you are having trouble with a particular vehicle or engine? If a company cannot answer questions directly and honestly, then they don't answer incriminating (perhaps too strong a word) questions at all.
  • caribou1caribou1 Member Posts: 1,354
    Hi siberia,
    VM Motori provides/machines the engine blocks and puts components together. This they do very well.

    Parts that fail on the Liberty diesel are not made by VM. These parts are common to other common rail diesels and they also fail on the other vehicles. In NA KJ-owners are unfortunately discovering this last "variation" of the emissions control system applied to this Jeep.

    A test market for diesel SUVs without the obligation to have the EGR Flow Control Valve would have eliminated the competitors right away. I'm referring to the truck I have. My only concern is when I will change my tires? Before or after the 4th winter season? To my opinion, this 2.8L engine is really great and the engineers who made the programming sequence of the tranny understood well what they were doing. Just wait until you try the manual shifter combined to the common rail: you may not like it at all :sick:
  • hogwild1961hogwild1961 Member Posts: 26
    I pull a 30ft travel trailer 4800lbs never had any problem and does great job around fredericksburg va and chesapeke areas...and have pulled as far as key west 800 miles never skips a beat so to speak..u have to break in that reese hitch ans grease it up quite abit..it will calm down..Happy Motering
  • nescosmonescosmo Member Posts: 453
    Farout....I look at other places and i found a place that explain the the CCV and different methods here is (case sensitive)
    www.lostkjs.com/forum/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=10096

    There are 3 pages and examples read everything and tell me what you think of it.

    Nescosmo.
  • siberiasiberia Member Posts: 520
    Caribou1, I agree with you original premise as to why companies adopt a siege mentality.

    What you say about who make the parts does not allay the proposition (not argument) that VM Motori (and DCX more so) should be engaging in good or better customer relations than some posters have indicated – perhaps through a FAQ site. I sense no serious disagreement on your part, but your discussion about who is making the faulty parts (Bosch is already known to many of us) seems to be supporting the proposition that VMM should continue to be forthcoming on information even to the extent of providing information like you provided in your post. As to the 2.8L VMM engine, I would stand in line to buy another one and I currently have no issue with the automatic transmission.

    Your post seems to have established an new position that I did not take and proceed to argue against it as though that were my position. I did not mention the EGR valve or say that VMM makes it. I simply suggested how VMM might deal with a supposed avalanche of emails. Didn’t the original discussion spring from a question to VMM by Farout about oil?

    In the last paragraph of my post I referred to a "vehicle or engine" and "a company" in general terms not meaning VMM specifically. I apologize for any confusion that may have created.
  • nescosmonescosmo Member Posts: 453
    Check this out.

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  • nescosmonescosmo Member Posts: 453
    Farout.... This is a better way to see the Provent.

    link title
  • jeepgalpegjeepgalpeg Member Posts: 8
    It looks like there's an new recall on some 2005 & 2006 CRD's to replace the torque converter and reprogram the ECM and TCM. Go to Jeep.com and enter the last eight digits of your VIN to see if you're on the list! I am.
  • cerichcerich Member Posts: 9
    Cust Satisfaction Notice F37

    Basically replace the torque converter, new ECM/TCM code and inspect repair as required the tranny.

    Reduces Torque on the CRD slightly (so they claim..)

    Go punch your VIN in at the Jeep.com recall website and you will see!
  • mdamickmdamick Member Posts: 277
    Mine is listed too.
    I have been able to cause the TC to slip going uphill @ 53 & pushing down on the throttle.
    I have already had the transmission rebuilt once.
    I will probably bite the bullet and have them replace the EGR flow control valve while they are at it. ouch :cry:
  • faroutfarout Member Posts: 1,609
    MDAMICK: Checked on ours and it's listed also! Ours is a June 14, 2005 build date, so the recall is not just early build CRD's. I wonder if it is not all the CRD's? That is no small item either. I have almost 26,000 miles and it is close to have the Transmission service anyway, so maybe it will be of some help for us after all. I wouldn't be surprised if we have to pay for the filter, if we are close to the service transmission time. Thanks to who ever found this out, as it just came out today!

    Farout
  • faroutfarout Member Posts: 1,609
    nescosmo: This is the best pictures of what a Pro Vent is! Before I do anything I want it in writing from DCX that this will not void my warranty. By the way the Torque Converter replacement Recall list includes our CRD too. I have noticed sometimes when we come to a stop and not a fast stop ether it does sound like a clunk just before it comes to a stop. I wonder if our fuel mileage will be effected? Thanks for the link!

    Farout
  • faroutfarout Member Posts: 1,609
    usanfarm: V M Motori is from now on referring any questions to DCX, it makes no difference who you are. The e-mail I use goes to a person, who I have dialogued with for about a year. His English is a little broken, but He has been very kind and open in the last two notes. Most likely because V M Motori in saying that they suggested using 10-40w instead of the 0-40w oil. Oh I did go beck to Mobile 1 5-40w from the 1 oil change when I used Shell Rotella T 5-40w. I just was not convinced because the 5049 Rotella T synthetic has stopped being made, and the mineral oil will the only 5-40w by spring 2007. I will not use any oil in the CRD that is not synthetic.

    Farout
  • synlubessynlubes Member Posts: 184
    just had mine done have four hundred miles on it and running great mine was locking up in third gear tried a pcm and it didn't help called jeep and they sent a new pump and converter no problem since
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